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01:56:29 ER: I wonder if we start with enough stat points to make a properly "competent" character
02:04:58 Devastator: I think that's intentional.
02:07:00 ER: security gets two levels to skills, janitors get two levels to stats, all the others get one level in each
02:07:17 ER: so, security is the best class for upload meta :P
02:07:42 Devastator is sad about uploads.
02:09:34 Piecewise__: It has a downside, though its not listed
02:10:48 Devastator: dont' have to compete with them, so not that big a deal.
02:14:56 ER: what class should I pick,
Piecewise__
02:15:53 Piecewise__: What do you want to do?
02:16:13 ER: well, I was planning on surviving that turn.
02:17:04 ER: I could start over with another d12 occult character, but I had some rather nice stats and items going there
02:17:42 Devastator: or drop that a die.
02:18:42 Devastator: easier than having a broad build where you never have nearly enough stats.
02:21:28 Piecewise__: If you wanna do another hang back and stare occult, then occult, implant and fate are good choices
02:27:20 Devastator: The symbiote seemed nice.
02:27:26 Devastator: sit back and let it take the risk.
02:34:17 ER: just drill some occult shit into my brain k
02:34:17 Piecewise__: There are always more terrible things from HELL
02:39:00 Devastator: numberless minions and all that.
02:39:37 ER: should just join as doomguy with massively inflated stats and challenge you to call me on it
02:41:12 Devastator: 'you may only use weapons from Doom.'
02:58:30 ER: interesting levelup choices in dridergame
03:00:14 Devastator: Seemed somewhat limited to me.
03:00:21 Devastator: probably in too bad condition to get anything good.
03:01:34 Devastator: I hope we get to eat something soon.
03:01:40 Devastator: something that won't screw us forever.
03:04:35 ER: how likely is picking anything but Forceful Purification to get us killed? :P
03:05:20 ER: also, wonder if Forceful has any benefit other than not killing us.
03:05:47 Devastator: I'd say about 30% likely to kill us.
03:05:55 Devastator: so very high for that game.
03:07:17 Devastator: we have lots of mana, lots +1 is probably LOTS.
03:07:23 Devastator: Very worth taking if we weren't dying.
03:07:47 ER: Then again, we take shortcut.
03:08:42 Devastator still thinks we should eat something.
03:08:48 Devastator: either that spirit or the big one in the basement.
03:27:46 Piecewise__: Nice to see mail from hong kong is still getting through despite the chinese kurfuffle
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04:36:18 Devastator: so an overlord fan?
04:36:24 ER: bastion is one of my favorite games
04:37:31 syv: Maybe he worships the cat goddess.
04:37:56 ER:
Dev, for example, is a female goblin
04:38:06 ER: wait, that is something we assumed.
04:38:11 syv: And Einsteinian Roulette there is terrible.
04:38:31 Devastator: I will sincerely admit I've never had anyone say that before.
04:38:36 ER: politifacts says mostly false
04:38:59 Devastator: now "You're a genius" or "That's a dashing, handsom fellow", sure. ;-p
04:39:37 syv: BS here seems to just be a Darkmyst person, not someone who found us via link. They're in a few random other channels too.
04:39:59 Devastator: A couple of others do that.
04:40:18 Devastator: but how would someone from darkmyst randomly know who any of us are?
04:40:18 ER: sorry darkmyst person, we don't do anything interesting here.
04:40:27 Devastator: well, we bug
syv about magical girls.
04:40:37 syv: So yeah, BS, we aren't running any games here. This is a fan channel for a forum game that died years ago (run by
Piecewise__ over there), which we've just been keeping around 'cause it's a nice place to hang.
04:40:39 Bastian_S: I am already impressed by the chain of deductions
04:40:54 syv: We do sometimes run stuff, but it's not like a lot of DM channels.
04:41:00 Bastian_S: I am not expecting anything, don't feel observed or compelled to do anything
04:41:41 syv: I'm the observer, not the observed, don't worry~
04:41:47 Devastator:
syv has the majority of it.
04:42:04 Devastator: The missing part is that it was all from bay12, where
Piecewise currently runs a number of forum games.
04:42:10 Devastator: the channel description.
04:42:19 syv: Ahhh. Well we can leave that out...
04:42:23 Devastator: Oh, and on rare occasions we watch bad movies or anime of varying quality.
04:42:44 ER: *movies of varying quality and bad anime
04:42:59 syv: Elastic Rocket's got the right of it.
04:43:03 Devastator: I think the movies are all bad, it's just that sometimes there is enjoyment to be found in them anyway.
04:43:17 ER: when did we watch a bad movie here?
04:43:19 syv: Black Hawk Down wasn't that bad. Sure, it's war positive, but not bad.
04:43:42 syv: It has great depictions of people being shot, then falling down and bleeding to death.
04:43:55 Piecewise__: A worthy goal in cinema
04:44:05 Bastian_S: maybe in 2000something
04:44:20 Devastator: I don't believe this channel is that old.
04:44:20 Bastian_S: I guess soon it will belong to the category of "vintage"
04:44:25 Piecewise__: We're still in 2000 something
04:44:27 syv: Yeah. Like right now, in 2019.
04:44:53 Piecewise__: Its aged like milk
04:45:12 Piecewise__: we are now a fine cheese like substance
04:45:33 Devastator: Milk is good for skelebones.
04:45:44 Piecewise__: I'm a skeleton by the way
04:45:48 Piecewise__: that might not be obvious
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04:46:07 Devastator: btw, go update tachell,
ER.
04:46:17 Piecewise: Go update birdgame
dev
04:46:23 Devastator: I did not that long ago.
04:46:32 Devastator: and still need orders from
ER other than 'pet the kitten.'
04:46:33 Piecewise: Go update your magical girl thing
sy
04:46:37 Bastian_S: it is not
piecewise, but I wrote it down beside my screen
04:46:38 Devastator: unless that's some kinda metaphor.
04:47:12 ER: I'm telling you to pet the kitten
04:47:15 Bastian_S: anyhow, I have the impression, you are fun!
04:47:15 Devastator: We need updates! Sadly I can no longer threaten your characters in other games with involuntary randomness.
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04:47:27 ER: are you denying that the kitten needs pat
04:47:48 syv: You could totally threaten to turn Ekrov into a purple catgirl.
04:47:49 Devastator: I'm afraid, dave, there is no kitten.
04:48:00 Devastator: no feline word, but yes, could do that.
04:48:13 syv: You're creative, I'm sure you'd find a way.
04:48:15 Piecewise: did you post a character in cabal
sy?
04:48:26 Devastator: I do think
PW said you could do some bodymorphing with Ape, just not very efficient bodymorphing.
04:48:39 ER: you could turn our birds into novel things
04:48:55 Devastator:
Syv had a fair chance of that.
04:49:22 Devastator: Yes, he went for some kinda brainy techy guy from a JRPG.
04:49:43 Devastator: so now all we need is some muscle, and someone with a dark and mysterious past.
04:49:47 Devastator: so a robot or a ninja or something.
04:50:35 syv: I posted my char. He's a pasty nerd who thinks he's a JRPG hero, and will very soon be proven very wrong.
04:50:37 Devastator: zavi joined magebreakers.
04:50:50 Devastator: I mean, saeko could make you RPG hero. ;-p
04:51:10 Devastator: Saeko too much white mage.
04:51:24 Devastator: Maybe after this mission, assuming enough people survive and there's a payday.
04:51:34 syv: She's even actually Japanese, somehow, so she's the obvious choice for a JRPG protag. Ekrov's clearly slavic.
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04:52:39 syv: Wonder if he'll be back, and get to discover that we're actually almost never talkative.
04:52:54 Devastator: Depends on if he picks a time while I'm on.
04:53:04 Devastator: you know me, rather promiscuous with the PMs.
04:53:28 syv: Yes. Of all the words tp describe you, "promiscuous" is the one I'd choose.
04:53:40 ER: saeko isn't a JRPG protag, but she's certainly a party member
04:54:00 Devastator: Zavi could be protag.
04:54:07 Devastator: need someone who can make a direct attack to be a protag.
04:54:23 syv: Benedict is clearly the protag, then.
04:54:24 ER: no, you need someone boring
04:54:54 Devastator: I think he did join.
04:55:11 syv: Yeah, but that group disintegrated almost instantly.
04:55:17 Devastator: the guy from FFIV had personality.
04:55:58 Devastator: But yeah, pretty common to have no personality.
04:56:51 ER: male, spiky hair, says nothing, has no personality, hits things with sword but also has flame magic and a revive spell
04:57:18 Devastator: Right, so Pan's char.
04:57:26 Devastator: the guy
RC goes around with.
04:58:48 Piecewise: your word is "Animate"
04:59:10 Devastator: That's overcome by not talking.
04:59:15 Devastator: much less whinging when there's not talking.
04:59:17 syv: Aaaaaggghhh why did I go with gold over mana >.<
04:59:19 Devastator: well, now I know where to take you.
04:59:48 Piecewise:
Dev started with a ton of money if memory serves
04:59:54 ER: now you can make painting men
05:00:19 Devastator: 100 gold, 5 mana, d4 armour, backpack, and extra material.
05:00:24 Devastator: if that's all, that's all.
05:00:55 Devastator: Well, it'd be a far more mana efficient method of making giant monsters.
05:01:00 Devastator: paint one, animate it.
05:01:16 Devastator: and cost a whole lot less.
05:01:35 Devastator: I think that's int based too.
05:01:49 syv: Sadly it doesn't actually line up with my statline at all. D12 know and d12 sns, so illusions and scrying, neither of which are exactly animation material. Maybe I could make animated illusions? "*Animate* the colors of [thing]"? Make an animation of what someon--wait, that actually makes sense.
05:02:06 syv: Yeah, splash inks on canvas, then animate them to move and show the image of [place].
05:02:22 Devastator: Just make all kinds of moving illusions.
05:02:28 Devastator: or have me make the item via will.
05:02:44 Devastator: Lots of use, really.
05:03:12 syv:
Piecewise, would that work? Dropping oil ink in water, then animating it to show pictures of things in the distance, so it's a kno-based scrying spell?
05:03:41 syv: Guess I'm buying some paints too, then.
05:04:34 Devastator: coloured sands would be better, but sand would let you do 3d models.
05:04:45 Piecewise: Though I would be a bit careful. animated pictures might not always show truth. They might get their own ideas.
05:09:25 Devastator: Animate's not a bad word, really.
05:09:40 syv: Animates a ridiculously awesome word,
Dev.
05:10:00 Devastator: I'd call 'Strengthen' better.
05:10:04 syv: It's "motion". Except BETTER.
05:10:25 syv: Sure, but that's like saying "Oh, this cake is pretty boring, it's not buttered lobster."
05:10:39 Devastator: that's what I call 'not bad.'
05:10:49 Devastator: strengthen is 'very good.'
05:10:57 Devastator: Force is 'excellent.'
05:11:22 Devastator: so much utility there, except for illusions.
05:11:25 syv: With Cabal's mechanics, I strongly wonder if force is really better than animate.
05:11:36 Devastator: Force might be a bit weaker due to being so general.
05:11:43 Devastator: but it's stupid good.
05:12:22 syv: Force is a physical material, is it not? Like fire, and wood?
05:12:38 syv: I am assuming that it's the same force as Perplexicon.
05:12:44 Devastator: he got it from gravity.
05:12:57 Devastator: One step below getting 'energy'
05:13:14 syv: So he can't create physical, solid things out of it?
05:13:32 Devastator: can be used to make force fields, adjust gravity, acceleration fields, move things, etc.
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05:13:50 syv: Jesus. Yeah that's a bit much.
05:14:01 syv: I'm still damn happy with Animate.
05:14:04 Devastator: I don't think he can make stuff out of it without a form word, but if he has one, probably.
05:14:15 Devastator: Animate is not bad.
05:14:34 ER: should grab my own animate from somewhere and make explosion elementals
05:14:48 Devastator: I'd put it second to my strengthen, just above my Ape.
05:15:25 syv: Is Force above Strengthen?
05:15:38 Devastator: I think it's the best word yet seen.
05:15:56 Devastator: although
PW may say it takes more mana to do stuff with because it's too general.
05:16:18 Devastator: I think I'd put "Magic" up near there, and "Energy" one above.
05:17:15 Devastator: It's all subjective, though.
05:17:32 Devastator: Force could have been used in that airship lance spell.
05:18:05 MidJag_: The game does seem intresting
05:18:12 Devastator:
syv put in new char, got a good draw.
05:18:17 MidJag_: But I'm a massive flake when it comes to these things.
05:18:28 syv: You could join, we need a proper JRPG protagonist~
05:18:31 Devastator: It's just you and
ER now.
05:18:35 Devastator: and yeah, we kinda do.
05:18:44 syv: Just make a super boring and generic spiky haired kid.
05:18:55 Devastator: I'd pick up naturegirl, but that's more a description of an attack caster.
05:19:15 Devastator: Was the harem in evidence,
syv?
05:19:16 syv: Give him the same name, too.
05:19:25 MidJag_: I'm not sure I want to end up with a harem though.
05:19:35 MidJag_: Seems like a lot of work.
05:19:48 syv: No, when I visited he was out of town, but apparently some of his harem had left to chase him down.
05:19:51 Devastator: Well, you'd have an elf to kick it off. ;-p
05:19:57 syv: It's zero work, that's how anime harems work.
05:20:22 syv: Also, you'd get to see
Dev roleplaying a lovestruck teenage girl.
05:20:32 Devastator: Well, the other option is you have "Childhood Sweetheart" you left behind and will never revisit.
05:20:39 syv: Money can't buy that kind of thing. Or, well it probably could, but it's still free.
05:21:54 Devastator: It would also slightly chide that roll that means she'll eventually go evil.
05:22:41 ER: muse currently points towards "interdimensional mercenary company with blood-powered mecha" btw
05:23:04 syv: But finish Full Metal Dress first, please.
05:23:04 MidJag_: I too am okay with this
05:23:28 MidJag_: Just get that welding torch and get to building.
05:28:39 syv: Wolf's voice is so inappropriate here.
05:36:07 syv: Using leaping kicks instead of just jumping over sweep attacks does more poise AND vit damage.
05:36:25 syv: Usually I use Ichimonji double instead though, for poise heal.
05:37:06 ER: didn't notice the monk corpses and crawling centepedes in here before
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05:38:49 Devastator: some things are not possible.
05:39:43 syv: Well you're only legally blind, right
Dev? Maybe he's illegally blind. Refuses to get his permit.
05:42:24 syv: I've said the stream is good, but I've yet to figure out whether you're using Leaping Kicks or High Monk, because I haven't yet seen the second half of the combat art.
05:46:13 syv: "Oooh, my abdomen centipede is all antsy! I wonder why? Oh well, I won't let it interrupt my praying."
05:47:36 syv: How did type the opposite one?
05:47:58 syv: Anyway, high monk is straight better now, if you can purchase it.
05:50:21 syv: I was outside, did you use divine abduction on someone?
05:50:43 syv: Taro troops have the same spirit-away animation as the crying guy.
05:51:04 syv: By the way, you should send that guy to Anayama this round.
05:52:00 ER: I killed anayama in the past.
05:52:12 ER: turns out, that makes him not be there in the present
05:52:24 ER: despite that making a time paradox!
05:52:45 syv: Well, I suppose it doesn't matter if you're going for Shura.
05:53:01 syv: Send him to the doctors, then.
05:54:37 ER: already sent other guy to the docs
05:55:00 syv: Aww, that was a waste. His baby jesus statue is valuable.
06:04:21 ER: I swear those guys have a harder pattern than the final boss :P
06:04:40 syv: Yeaaah I still don't know any good ways to fight them.
06:05:02 syv: Way less HP and poise, but doing them flawless feels impossible.
06:07:46 syv: I look forward to watching you chase the blind monkey around for an hour. ;P
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06:09:42 MidJag: the paper or how long I'll be here?
06:10:23 MidJag: The paper I need another 100 words. As for how long I'll be here, maybe another 20-30 min ish.
06:11:10 MidJag:
Dev I'll get you that birdgame tommorow
06:11:34 Devastator: no orders from
ER, so no hurry.
06:12:12 syv:
ER: No orders from
MJ, so no hurry~
06:12:27 Devastator: well, he missed one turn alreayd.
06:12:58 MidJag: Hmm, I guess I could resurect my plague doctor in Cabal.
06:13:24 syv:
ER has no clue how to kill the blind monkey.
06:13:42 Devastator: That wouldn't fit well into the JRPG adventuring party.
06:13:53 MidJag: Throw modern conventions into games at it?
06:14:01 MidJag: That might just work on goblins though
06:14:32 MidJag: Generic spiky haired guy might work better in that case
06:16:00 syv: Opening the door in that place actually helps, the wind is loud.
06:17:00 syv: Blind monkey's a complete bastard.
06:18:10 MidJag: huh, my computers dictation thing somehow heard a random vocei clip from a video as computer open up dungeon crawl stone soup, and thus it opened up DCSS.
06:18:34 ER: "close your eyes" *character model can't close its eyes*
06:18:39 Devastator: good idea to have that.
06:22:42 syv: "A technique of using the blade that cannon be drawn is a feat that only the oathbound of the divine heir could obtain."
06:23:54 ER: yeah but that's the black one
06:26:08 syv: It's basically the same thing, but better. Anyway, any infested should be able to use the blade, and thus use techniques with it. Frickin' Hanbei should be able to do it.
06:26:42 syv: Guardian ape, too. Man that'd be an awesome fight.
06:28:37 ER: what I figured when I first got it was that it would use a pip of resserection power whenever you take it out
06:28:44 ER: because it, you know, kills you
06:30:20 syv: See, that'd make sense and be awesome.
06:30:57 syv: But then all your attacks would be a different animation, and Fromsoft doesn't want multiple weapons in this game. They clearly wanted just R1s.
06:39:55 syv: This is literally Tink-Tink-Tink: The Game
06:40:11 syv: And agh, Snake Eyes is horrible.
06:48:19 MidJag: Alright that's written...I guess I'll actualy look over it tomorrow.
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06:56:13 ER: so high monk... pretty much just adds a floating passage hit to the end of the leaping kicks combo
06:56:25 ER: I was expecting something more impressive :P
06:56:32 syv: But without the guard penetration.
06:57:17 syv: It basically just adds a bit of extra free posture damage in a 1v1. Since it no longer has a cost, it's still strictly better for that.
06:57:27 syv: Still worse than double ichimonji tho
07:00:08 ER: monkies are definately better at fighting than people with the same weapons
07:01:10 syv: That is the BEST solution to that fight@
07:01:42 ER: give iron pinapple the credit
07:02:34 ER: what do you think these nightjar are up to?
07:04:48 syv: Learning from the monkies.
07:11:30 ER: the wall people in here are also pretty lolrandom
07:11:57 syv: Oh, feathers here are easier than the puppet trick.
07:23:17 syv: You can parry that grab, y'know~
07:23:34 syv: Oh, and just spamming moneyshot will take one of her deathblows basically for free.
07:27:41 ER: ah, so leaping kicks is perfectly designed to counter chickens
07:34:00 ER: gotta love the random drunk guy handing out with a bunch of monkies in the middle of some illusioned up woods
07:38:10 syv: Use the unarmed monk CA to kill it.
08:18:16 syv: (The cheesey way to beat her is to use floating passage, or any of the other guard penetrators)
08:18:43 syv: Also if you continually throw ash at her after pissing her off initially, you can sneak behind her and then do a jumping deathblow.
08:22:07 syv: Oh yeah, and divine confetti too.
08:31:16 syv: I'm a bit surprised that you actually have that thing on your quickbar, even moreso that you didn't know that.
08:41:30 ER: what are you grumbling about?
08:50:29 syv: Costs nine, it's generally worse than Floating Passage, unless you have no use for emblems, which is never true.
08:51:17 syv: Also, I like that lore blip for the droplets. "Rarely dropped by a Divine Heir of the Dragon's Heritage"
08:51:36 syv: Just straight up saying Kuro has a droptable~
08:51:47 syv: Sad that you can't farm him
08:51:54 ER: uh, where should I go next?
09:03:25 syv: Also, any shield can block terror.
09:04:46 syv: You could have used a Jizo. ;-;
09:05:13 syv: There's tons of the things in NG+
09:15:39 ER: yeah, of course it was genichiro researching that
09:19:27 ER: "oh, there's a way to make me bleed? let's test it out!"
09:24:35 ER: huh, did they patch the subtitles?
09:24:51 syv: Did they? Was there an error there before...?
09:26:10 ER: translation thing. sculptor says "his" master when his master was a woman
09:26:51 ER: they seem to have changed the subtitles to say "her" but the voiceover is unchanged
09:52:54 syv: "Carp with only red eyes cannot become masters"
09:53:16 syv: ...But the pot nobles are red-eyed.
09:56:30 syv: It's sort of amusing that he literally pays you by giving you a handfull of raw fat.
10:18:22 syv: You were like twenty feet from Owl.
10:20:18 ER: yeah, and I wasn't done with the castle yet!
10:31:01 syv: Then save here, and kill him after doing Shura.
10:31:52 ER: really though, they want me to give up on kuro after killing the frikking guardian ape for him?
10:32:19 syv: "They" clearly don't. Owl, though, Owl realizes just how much of a tool Wolf is.
10:32:39 syv: And now you get to see Emma kneel for Owl. :0
10:37:27 syv: So was that murder, or suicide?
10:37:43 syv: Also, nice job beating her on the first try!
11:07:21 syv: But yeah srs Isshin is fire Isshin.
11:20:01 ER: why is this isshin more bullshit than revival isshin
11:37:23 ER: that sidestep bullshit he does is new
11:39:07 syv: It's pretty easy once you know it. First slash while he's neutral will be dodged, so you parry.
11:39:24 syv: As for bullshit fire charge pillar insanity, flares. Or ichimonji. Either works.
11:39:56 syv: First time I fought srs Isshin, I saved my emblems for his second phase then spammed feathers to get in loads of damage.
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20:12:45 Piecewise: sorry playing something in full screen
20:13:31 Devastator: what were you playing?
20:23:14 Piecewise: game about naval....stuff
21:30:02 Piecewise: Piracy, diplomacy, trading, etc
21:58:20 Devastator: no going to foreign countries and invading them?
22:17:08 Piecewise: you can go into foreign areas and attack and invade them yeah
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