ERLOG 2019-06-27

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00:49:46 Piecewise: Dev for now I say you can keep them
00:49:51 Piecewise: grandfathered in
00:50:06 Piecewise: That was for Devastator by the way
00:50:10 Piecewise: about his magazines
00:50:11 Devastator: Ok.
00:50:27 Devastator: I was gonna argue that weapon modding should be a thing, as you already have a method to buy away your gun weaknesses.
00:50:32 Devastator: it's called 'buying a gun.'
00:51:58 Devastator: Also, did you watch that sparky?
00:53:58 Devastator: Paying an extra 500 bucks for the odds to end up weaponless when you botch the roll sounds reasonably balanced.
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00:56:57 Devastator: Heya Piecewise_
00:56:58 Devastator: catch that?
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00:59:57 Devastator: Maybe limit it to one mod per weapon if you don't want tinker-dom.
01:01:50 Piecewise_: Hmmm
01:01:55 Piecewise_: not a bad idea
01:02:24 Devastator: I really don't think letting me make, say, a taser bayonet would break the game.
01:02:38 Devastator: and it'd be cool.
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01:08:08 Devastator: Heh.
01:08:12 Devastator: good awful hospital today.
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01:38:39 Devastator: heya ER.
01:38:43 Devastator: good awful hospital today.
01:40:46 ER: http://www.bogleech.com/awfulhospital/icon-fernsurprised.png
01:40:49 ER: is that new?
01:40:53 ER: I think it is
01:41:41 Devastator: Could be.
01:42:15 ER: wish the book she's holding were legible
01:42:25 ER: all I can make out is 500
01:42:39 ER: and what look like quotes on the back cover
01:43:45 Devastator: Top quote is "Hell of a time"
01:44:07 Devastator: and that's 500 shades of grey.
01:44:25 ER: oh, thought is was a list book
01:44:29 Devastator: Could be.
01:44:35 Devastator: but I think those are handcuffs at the bottom.
01:45:14 ER: ah
01:55:10 Devastator: so tempted to just finish that doomRL game.
01:55:23 Devastator: got one waiting where I have an almost-guaranteed win.
02:11:35 ER: hm, redsweater implies that she's *paying* for hospital services.
02:12:19 ER: I thought this place was more of a nonprofit. Or maybe that's just something else that's becoming corrupt.
02:12:48 Devastator: I don't know anyone ever said it was free.
02:13:24 Devastator: ..I also hope we don't get any more humans for a long time.
02:13:30 Devastator: I'm ok with a dog.
02:16:32 Devastator: Might be instrumental for un-doggying this place.
02:21:51 Devastator reads ER's Mook orders.
02:22:02 Devastator: Welp.
02:24:21 ER: new players are bad at defending themselves! they need to be taught a lesson! ;P
02:24:50 Devastator: Please don't kill the new player twice in about four turns. ;-p
02:25:46 ER: it doesn't sound like the symbiote will be deadly in testing.
02:26:35 ER: If Clem wanted to, Clem could probably go find that guy in the nightclub and ask what the symbiote does. But this is funnier.
02:26:57 Devastator: Nightclub guy might not know.
02:27:10 Devastator: might have wanted to find out by looking at you.
02:43:52 Devastator: Why test when the possibility of just watching idiots exists?
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03:14:29 Devastator: Hey syv.
03:14:31 Devastator: how you doing?
03:14:45 ER: hullo
03:15:00 Devastator: Also, still need orders from you as for your bird, ER.
03:15:15 ER: my RTD creativity is currently in a "spread thin" phase..
03:15:54 Devastator: ok.
03:15:54 syv: I'm doing terribly.
03:15:58 ER: Which basically means that I'm not motivated enough about anything in particular to actually work on it, but I am frustratingly motivated in sum!
03:16:00 Devastator: aww.
03:16:07 ER: well that's terrible
03:16:42 syv: Eh, I'm just forcing out a system for the gun game. Finally figured out a roll system which I like, despite it being cumbersome.
03:17:13 Devastator: d18s?
03:17:34 syv: Soon enough I'll atually be able to stat out all these guns, and whinge about whether giving this sniper rifle 2 vs 3 dispersion is OP.
03:17:37 Devastator: prime numbers > 5 roll on the rare hit table and the others on the general one?
03:17:41 syv: No. dXs.
03:18:20 syv: Stat is dice pool, success is roll < morale, morale ranges from 1-5. Difficulty increases die size, minimum difficulty is generally 5.
03:29:59 ER: welp
03:30:05 ER: want to watch something?
03:30:19 syv: Sure.
03:35:22 ER: jorm?
03:37:39 syv: I'm good with that. Politeness demands I ask Devastator if *he's* interested in watching something, but I think "no" is a safe bet there.
03:37:52 Devastator: I'd be interested but I don't have jorm.
03:38:01 syv: Ah.
03:38:48 Devastator: I think I still have Mellowlink.
03:39:01 ER: have what?
03:39:22 syv: Black Hawk Down? I'm pretty sure I gave that link out months ago.
03:39:37 syv: It's some anime about a guy with a big gun which Piecewise suggested.
03:40:14 ER: I thought that was called something different
03:40:27 ER: oh well, I have BHD
03:40:56 syv: "Armor Hunter Mellowlink" is what my torrent says.
03:41:06 ER: ah
03:41:09 syv: Devastator? BHD?
03:41:19 Devastator: I think I have that.
03:41:36 Devastator: Yes.
03:41:41 ER: 1 sec
03:45:55 ER: okay
03:46:22 syv: I think it's been closer to five seconds. Five very, very long seconds. But okay! I am ready. Is Devastator?
03:46:48 ER: VLC wants to security update
03:46:55 syv: ...though damn, it's two and a half hours.
03:47:03 Devastator: ready.
03:47:19 ER: yes, why I got crackers and soda ready
03:47:27 ER: because movies are long
03:47:39 Devastator: I got candy!
03:47:50 ER: okay, just lemmie update VLC
03:47:53 syv: ...I will go fetch snacks for myself. BRB.
03:48:02 Devastator: Plus it's ultra-widescreen, so plenty of room for IRC.
03:49:19 ER: intermission: https://youtu.be/mbW8KBZguDM
03:50:14 syv: Back
03:50:58 ER: whatha' got?
03:51:11 syv: Sandwiches I made earlier.
03:51:16 syv: And flavored water.
03:51:35 ER: neat. Ready.
03:51:44 syv: Ready
03:51:48 Devastator: `rr
03:51:52 syv: 4
03:51:55 syv: 3
03:51:56 syv: 2
03:51:57 syv: 1
03:51:58 syv: 0
03:52:15 Devastator: "Based.. very loosely.. on an actual event."
03:52:17 syv: BASED ON AN ACTUAL EVENT
03:52:20 ER: ReAL EvENT!!!
03:52:24 syv: Because that is a good thing for some reason
03:52:29 ER: yes
03:52:41 Devastator: Hardcore Henry: Based on a real event.
03:52:55 Devastator: To be fair, they didn't have money for CGI.
03:53:02 syv: "All of these scenes involved real people"
03:53:11 ER: is this movie better than the song angel's thanatos? eh, maybe it'll keep me entertained for longer
03:53:20 syv: That's why the grenade launcher scene was so bad. :P
03:53:32 Devastator: Yes.
03:54:26 Devastator: "This will not be about the 24 Pakistanis."
03:55:03 ER: I watched some random youtube video that talked about how supposedly the US military gives moviemakers cheap access to hardware in exchange for favorable depictions and this was one of theit examples.
03:55:15 Devastator: Yeah they do.
03:55:25 syv: Of course!
03:55:38 syv: Propoganda movies are a time honored tradition.
03:55:40 Devastator: Don't mind that much, it's not secret.
03:56:26 syv: That machinegunner was using an American gun, but let's not mention that.
03:56:45 Devastator: Something rare or unusual?
03:56:49 ER: well yeah, the moviemakers get those cheap!
03:56:56 syv: Not at all.
03:57:04 Devastator: Seems reasonable enough.
03:57:14 Devastator: although, yeah, the pentagon doesn't like too much of that.
03:57:19 Devastator: gotta have bad guns for the bad guys.
03:57:30 ER: evil russian guns, yes
03:57:51 Devastator: Evil chinese knockoffs of russian guns.
03:58:53 ER: well, this guy makes his will saves
03:59:21 syv: Leader dudes have high mental stats.
04:01:17 Devastator: "You have no goals, no end game, and no reinforcements."
04:01:21 ER: cold tea in a pastic cup?
04:01:34 Devastator: Closest thing to waterboarding they could show. ;-p
04:01:34 syv: Terribly enjoyable, yes.
04:02:59 Devastator: Limo is a shitty word in scrabble.
04:03:30 syv: They're jarheads, they don't know many good words.
04:03:40 Devastator: Fair enough.
04:04:42 ER: I too irrationally consider myself a badass
04:04:53 syv: That scene is so terrible.
04:05:03 Devastator: Firing line?
04:05:05 Devastator: Heh.
04:05:26 Devastator: Also, wouldn't there be a wall around the base?
04:05:30 syv: This movie has a lot of gun unsafety.
04:05:45 syv: I wouldn't know.
04:05:45 Devastator: Good or bad to see it?
04:06:09 syv shrugs
04:06:12 syv: I like the movie.
04:06:21 Devastator: Seems ok.
04:06:49 Devastator: Delta are army, aren't they?
04:06:54 ER: cooowboys
04:08:37 syv: Yes.
04:08:59 ER: disapproving authority figure!
04:09:05 syv: As are Rangers, Delta are just more elite. I don't know the details very well.
04:09:19 Devastator: All I know is 'not marines.'
04:10:48 syv: Yeah, I haven't seen the movie in a long time.
04:11:46 ER: generic chanting!
04:12:04 Devastator: What gun was that?
04:12:26 ER: whichever one is a little shorter?
04:12:49 syv: The one the praying guy had? Unsure, AKS maybe.
04:14:33 ER: blah blh get to the shooting already~
04:14:40 syv: Agreed.
04:15:24 ER: does this movie have any women in it
04:15:28 Devastator: "Which building is it."
04:15:37 Devastator: Kinda important question that.
04:15:52 syv: I don't believe any armed women, no. Just victim women.
04:16:05 ER: lovely
04:16:16 syv: This operation was a parade of incompetence IIRC.
04:16:31 Devastator: Business as usual, then.
04:19:51 Devastator: Oh come the fuck on.
04:20:00 Devastator: every fucking soldier knows that you can't count on that.
04:20:05 ER: yup
04:20:22 syv: It's emphasizing how cowboyish the delta force guys are. They're the designated elite heroes.
04:20:37 Devastator: Man.
04:20:41 ER: cure, they think they're marines~~~~
04:20:51 Devastator: The brit special forces guys are like the opposite.
04:22:25 Devastator: Of course, those guys are known for like walking three days in the desert on half a litre of water.
04:22:27 ER: oh, is the tape cross supposed to be a signal?
04:22:33 Devastator: Marker, yeah.
04:22:33 ER: I wasn't paying attention.
04:22:48 Devastator: Puppo!
04:22:56 ER: doggo
04:22:58 syv: He's an informant or something. Showing them which building they're attacking.
04:23:17 Devastator: Was a woman, IIRC, taped the target's car.
04:23:36 ER: pretty sure we saw a guy tape it up
04:23:55 Devastator: The shooting gonna start?
04:23:59 syv: ER would know, too.
04:24:04 Devastator: hmm?
04:24:17 syv: The gender of the person.
04:24:39 Devastator: Eh.
04:25:30 ER: wow, incompetance
04:25:53 Devastator: Yeah.
04:26:26 Devastator: Someone's going to notice that.
04:26:59 Devastator: well, here we go.
04:27:21 syv: Only... a whole half-hour in.
04:27:24 ER: 36 minutes in, out of snacks~
04:27:33 Devastator: I have far too much candy.
04:27:52 ER: gimme some
04:28:00 Devastator: Heh.
04:28:16 ER: fun part?
04:28:38 ER: I do like them littlebirds
04:28:39 syv: If watching helicopters fly is fun, to you.
04:28:44 Devastator: Those are your buds, and today they're going without you.
04:28:45 syv: It is for me...
04:28:53 Devastator: Yeah, pretty chill.
04:29:12 Devastator: and.. yeah, can't keep it secret.
04:29:33 ER: course not
04:29:49 Devastator: Well, sometimes they did.
04:29:57 Devastator: the guys who got Bin Laden did it by suprise.
04:30:07 syv: THAT was an AKS. The adorable little AK.
04:30:12 ER: yes
04:30:44 Devastator: Feel that tension.
04:30:49 Devastator: Yeah, I couldn't do this.
04:31:21 syv: You're not a 20-year old still running on testosterone and thinking he's immortal.
04:33:09 syv: Turret on a jeep has gotta be one of the worst possible jobs here.
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04:33:15 Devastator: Oh hell yes.
04:33:25 Devastator: exposed as fuck.
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04:33:42 ER: technical gunner? yeah, doesn't seem fun!
04:33:56 Devastator: Sometimes it can be.
04:34:00 Devastator: ever heard of the Toyota war?
04:34:41 Devastator: Buncha technicals beat the shit outta a bunch of tanks.
04:34:55 ER: but did they have fun doing it?
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04:35:01 Devastator: Almost certainly.
04:35:23 Devastator: Phew.
04:35:39 ER: dodge
04:35:47 Devastator: Pilot rolled a 3 there.
04:35:48 syv: Piloting skill +4.
04:35:57 Devastator: dodged, but dropped a guy.
04:36:25 ER: is all that wind from the helos or did a storm randomly come in?
04:36:34 Devastator: Both?
04:36:45 syv shrugs
04:36:51 syv: It's prolly meant to be helo wind
04:37:00 Devastator: Yeah.
04:37:14 Devastator: it's supposed to be helo wind, but there's some big fans just off-camera. ;-p
04:37:44 Devastator: What kinda gun was that with the drum?
04:37:55 syv: The cloth mag? Minimi.
04:38:18 Devastator: Pfft, weakling, can't even hip-fire it like a 14 year old in high heels. ;-p
04:38:37 ER: high heels? I don't remember that
04:38:47 syv: He doesn't have CC, he's at a huge disadvantage
04:38:56 Devastator: ..yeah, she had fancy shoes, but I can't say if they were heels.
04:38:57 ER: magic is op, after all
04:39:12 Devastator: Gotta run FMD, man. ;-p
04:39:22 syv: ^^^
04:39:38 ER: thinking of OP things for magic to do is much easier than making a gunfight system. :P
04:39:59 Devastator: That was a pretty good shot.
04:40:12 Devastator: (the camerawork.)
04:40:23 ER: BRRRRRRRR
04:40:36 Devastator: Dog?
04:40:52 syv: Local stray, I guess
04:41:04 Devastator: Pretty bold animal.
04:41:07 syv: Emphasizing that they're fighting in a residential area.
04:41:33 Devastator: Heh.
04:41:45 Devastator: I'm suprised there's no roadblock.
04:42:01 ER: damn, nice shot
04:42:12 Devastator: Yeah. Take enough rounds that's what happens.
04:42:42 syv: *Heroic music*
04:42:53 ER: *next guy gets shot*
04:42:58 Devastator: Could happen.
04:43:18 ER: badass boss guy
04:43:26 ER: with his cute lil aks
04:43:39 Devastator: Yeah, the sunglasses mean chief villain. ;-p
04:44:18 syv: That's actually the precise place that would do this. A blackhawk could take an RPG in most spots, but a hit to the tail rotor is very very bad
04:44:20 Devastator: Dizzy.
04:44:24 ER: terrifying machines
04:44:36 Devastator: Tail rotors be bad news.
04:44:55 ER: title drop! ;P
04:45:04 Devastator: Lotta blocks to get there.
04:47:44 ER: aw, I liked hoodie guy
04:47:51 Devastator: Good thing that guy's just standing up on the sandbags instead of having the gun parked in a window overlooking the intersection.
04:48:28 ER: good thing shit's equally fubar for everyone, you mean?
04:48:29 syv: Ir was mounted on a jeep, no?
04:48:53 Devastator: Might have been. All I saw was the pile of sandbags and it was like sticking way up out of them.
04:49:28 Devastator: "That's why you stay away from the walls."
04:49:31 syv: It's almost like these people don't want Americans in their city to help out.
04:49:47 ER: damned helpful americans
04:49:50 syv: Actually you stay away from walls because bullets ricochet along them well.
04:49:59 Devastator: Ahh.
04:50:00 ER: with their guns and cowboy hats and hamburgers
04:50:09 Devastator: and crystal meth.
04:50:13 Devastator: don't forget crystal meth. ;-p
04:51:54 Devastator: Ouchies.
04:52:04 syv: Aww, MJ would like that
04:52:12 Devastator: so would dubs..
04:52:26 Devastator: Welp, mob.
04:52:37 Devastator: takes way more fire to kill a mob than anyone ever expects.
04:52:43 syv: Target rich environment!
04:52:44 ER: the worst fighting formation!
04:53:07 ER: kids with guns!
04:53:22 Devastator: Nature of the place. Half of everyone is a kid.
04:53:55 ER: oof
04:54:00 Devastator: ouchies.
04:54:11 syv: Child soldiers kinda suck
04:54:23 ER: maybe a little
04:54:27 syv: Later, that kid will join a mercenary crew run by a crazy lady.
04:54:50 ER: for WACKY ADVENTURES
04:54:53 Devastator: The sound of tits up.
04:55:18 ER: did we win yet?
04:55:42 syv: No, we have to send more people in.
04:56:34 Devastator: "Two blackhawks down."
04:56:48 ER: no that one's a littlebird~
04:56:56 Devastator: ..how did the guys on foot beat the guys in vehicles to there?
04:57:10 syv: That pilot gets a +2 to aerial dodges, so he'll be fine.
04:57:31 ER: the fubar field distorts the passage of time
04:57:39 syv: Guys on foot can go straight there, and got lucky with not being shot.
04:57:41 Devastator: That's actually quite reasonable.
04:58:11 Devastator: That's pretty ghetto even for a technical.
04:58:16 Devastator: I'd almost call that orky.
04:59:19 Devastator: Ahh, there's the roadblocks.
04:59:34 Devastator: I mean, it's a civil war. Roadblocks are like the thing.
04:59:47 Devastator: ..and now you're stopped in the street.
04:59:51 Devastator: Youch.
05:00:25 syv: They're trying to recover this corpse.
05:00:50 Devastator: ...wow.
05:01:00 Devastator: what firing style was that?
05:01:04 Devastator: And yeah, this is pretty hot.
05:01:35 syv: Firing style...?
05:01:45 Devastator: the guy waving the gun around one handed without looking.
05:01:58 Devastator: "I think they forgot us."
05:02:11 syv: Oh. Action hero style, clearly.
05:02:13 Devastator: Happens waaaay too many times to count.
05:02:48 Devastator: Earplugs man, earplugs!
05:02:49 ER: comedy gold
05:02:59 syv: They don't work that well.
05:03:06 syv: Earplugs fucking suck, seriously.
05:03:08 Devastator: are they better than nothing?
05:03:21 syv: Even full earmuffs wouldn't be enough there, anyway.
05:03:32 Devastator: So you put plugs on under your earmuffs.
05:03:45 syv: Doesn't work well enough.
05:03:54 Devastator: eh.
05:04:01 syv: And yes, you do that, if you aren't wearing a full helmet that blocks muffs.
05:04:04 Devastator: I'm not looking for works well, I'm looking for better than nothing.
05:04:12 ER: and that's why if you were in the military they'll pay for your hearing aids!
05:04:16 Devastator: "That's a dummy."
05:04:20 syv: Haah...
05:04:44 Devastator: That guy's face also looks like a dummy.
05:04:46 syv: Yeah, my Dad's got them, three decades later.
05:04:52 Devastator: the pilot.
05:04:59 syv: Number two!
05:05:17 Devastator: Heh.
05:05:46 ER: beep beep beep beep
05:06:11 Devastator: What was that video with the guy in the online game who desynched with his passenger? The copter was ok so long as he was the one piloting it?
05:06:26 Devastator: "Your rotors aren't moving."
05:06:27 syv: Dyslexci, I forget the vid's name.
05:06:28 Devastator: "It's ok."
05:12:12 ER: gonne bite him
05:12:21 Devastator: And now things go slow.
05:12:53 syv: And everyone moves, nobody covers.
05:13:06 ER: cowboys
05:13:07 Devastator: Panic is a hell of a drug.
05:13:27 Devastator: How the hell they found each other..
05:13:33 syv: Luck.
05:13:36 Devastator: Yeah.
05:13:36 syv: Narrative luck.
05:13:49 Devastator: It's lucky, but that sort of thing sometimes happens.
05:13:51 ER: charging around like headless chickens until they found SOMETHING
05:13:58 Devastator: I can believe that.
05:15:06 Devastator: Wow, way to suck dude.
05:15:10 ER: nice grenade
05:15:11 Devastator: hot reloading action.
05:15:43 ER: they always manage to move BEFORE the RPG hits
05:16:03 syv: very loud sound, slow projectile. But yeah.
05:16:12 Devastator: big obvious weapon?
05:16:54 Devastator: another doggo!
05:16:59 ER: pup
05:16:59 syv: ...Damn, RPG-7 rockets fly at 300 m/s, that's barely subsonic.
05:17:21 Devastator: don't rockets take time to accelerate, though?
05:17:23 ER: subsonic has a lower limit?
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05:17:48 syv: speed of sound is ~320 m/s, I believe? So just below that is barely subsonic.
05:18:09 syv: 343 m/s
05:18:12 Devastator: The smell of clusterfucks in the morning.
05:18:28 Devastator: Also, when a driver is shooting his pistol from an open door of a humvee..
05:18:35 Devastator: something has gone badly, badly wrong.
05:18:41 syv: No shit
05:18:54 ER: wait was that a woman with a gun
05:19:23 Devastator: Nah, that would break with your narrative experience, so of course not.
05:19:40 ER: firing an MP5 one handed from the pilot seat of a blackhawk
05:19:49 Devastator: Also a sign of a clusterfuck.
05:19:58 Devastator: What's that rifle?
05:20:19 syv: M 14 derivative, there's a bunch.
05:20:50 Devastator: Oh, I thought it was something different the one with the guy using single shots and the odd stock.
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05:21:22 Devastator: Gonna be a long day.
05:21:27 syv: Yeah, that's an M14 derivative. Mk14 probably. Everyone else is mostly using m4s and M16s.
05:22:13 Devastator: Ok.
05:22:15 Devastator: And that's the one.
05:22:23 syv: The guy with a suppressed AR has an M4
05:22:35 Devastator: I wonder if they're trying to fill out the catalog.
05:22:39 Devastator: ie, get all of them.
05:22:50 Devastator: everything they could get from the DoD.
05:23:04 ER: seems likely
05:23:17 syv: Delta using special stuff is very very likely.
05:23:22 Devastator: Very much so.
05:23:30 Devastator: Anything you'd expect to see that hasn't shown up yet?
05:24:22 syv: Mmm. Nah, not for this situation and era.
05:24:54 syv: An SVD in the hands of the militia, I guess. Along with a few other Russian guns.
05:25:26 Devastator: I'd expect them to have basically anything, really.
05:25:40 Devastator: whatever they could buy from whomever.
05:25:52 syv: "I'm a pilot. I'm not supposed to be in a firefight."
05:25:56 Devastator: Yeah.
05:26:25 Devastator: Uh oh.
05:26:28 Devastator: Someone's going on video.
05:26:30 syv: An FAL would be likely. I thought I saw a G3 at some point, but I probably didn't.
05:26:53 syv: AKs are suitably villainous, so that's just what they get.
05:26:58 Devastator: oh yeah.
05:27:09 Devastator: although chinese knockoffs wouldn't be rare.
05:27:19 syv: Also, M16s. They'd have older M16s.
05:27:27 Devastator: Yes.
05:27:30 syv: But they *can't* have those, because those are good guy guns.
05:27:34 Devastator: Also yes.
05:28:47 Devastator: I do like that they let some of these guys' clothes get dirty.
05:28:53 Devastator: not dirty enough.
05:29:09 Devastator: but a lot of times they keep everyone in impeccable clothing after going through hell.
05:29:22 syv: Yep.
05:29:45 Devastator: up to five guys.
05:29:48 Devastator: and a kitty!
05:29:51 syv: Kitty!
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05:30:28 Devastator: Panic is a hell of a drug.
05:30:36 syv: This shouldn't be something any of them have to describe. This is very basic tactics.
05:30:46 ER: yeah
05:30:56 Devastator: Yeah, should be.
05:31:32 Devastator: What the hell was in his pack?
05:31:47 syv: Smoke grenade?
05:31:55 Devastator: Ok, that makes sense.
05:32:10 syv: ...They all should use a lot more smoke.
05:32:14 syv: Smoke is awesome.
05:32:18 Devastator: Yes.
05:33:02 syv: MJ would *love* this.
05:39:06 ER: less screaming more bullets!
05:39:15 Devastator: ouch.
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05:39:47 Devastator: ouch.
05:39:55 ER: ^
05:43:13 ER: oh, is it tactics time?
05:43:52 syv: Not tactics, just operators being unreasonably awesome.
05:44:01 ER: but hand signals!
05:44:37 ER: do they have hand signals for "let's commandeer that cannon"?
05:45:01 syv: Probably, in the movie universe
05:45:35 Devastator: Yes, they had time to recover from the panic.
05:45:39 Devastator: so now it's time to get thinky.
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05:50:53 ER: *heroism*
05:51:54 ER: that was fast
05:51:57 Devastator: the serious weapons have arrived.
05:52:05 syv: It's very heroic to call in a helicopter airstrike on a bunch of people defending their city.
05:52:18 Devastator: fuck heroism.
05:52:21 Devastator: it's fun, but it isn't war.
05:52:50 ER: no no, this is the part where we very heroically win by spending an unreasonable amount of money on very large guns
05:52:51 Devastator: What happened to conserving ammo?
05:52:51 syv: Oh, I did see a G3!
05:53:04 Devastator: sweet.
05:53:04 syv: They're trying to push them back for the convoy.
05:53:08 Devastator: who had it? I didn't see it.
05:53:36 Devastator: The mix of weapons, like RwR. ;-p
05:53:36 syv: one of the militiamen was firing in slow motion, only saw the rear half.
05:53:43 Devastator: ahh.
05:55:00 Devastator: we gonna have to cut his legs off.
05:55:07 Devastator: or leave that body.
05:56:22 syv: Some of the militiamen probably fought in the opening stages, went home, slept, then came back to fight some more.
05:56:29 Devastator: Maybe.
05:57:10 syv: Ugh. APCs are such a good idea, I hate the modern reliance on IFVs.
05:57:39 Devastator: You mean 'fuck the fighting power, we need something that's just tough?'
05:57:42 syv: Cost several times as much, carry half as many dudes.
05:58:08 syv: Yeah. And they still suck against tanks, which are what they're trying to emulate;
05:58:11 ER: costing more is a very important feature
05:58:16 Devastator: Very much so.
05:58:20 Devastator: more money to pay people.
05:58:29 syv: There's your warrior woman, ER.
05:58:38 ER: oh, so a woman does get visibly shot!
05:59:04 Devastator: By the black guy.
05:59:24 syv: Oh, he was black? I thought he was just dirty.
05:59:32 Devastator: Could be wrong.
05:59:59 syv: I only recall seeing one black american, during the opening "here's the dudes what gonna get shot!" Introduction.
06:00:02 ER: I'm confused
06:00:31 Devastator: Hmm?
06:01:16 syv: Yup, he's black, not a dirty white.
06:01:26 Devastator: I do like rooster eyes.
06:01:47 syv: Rooster eyes?
06:01:54 Devastator: deaf guy with bug eyes.
06:02:00 syv: Ahh.
06:02:01 Devastator: looks like a rooster.
06:02:03 syv: Yes.
06:02:03 ER: tea!
06:02:18 Devastator: blud.
06:02:28 ER: delicious
06:02:35 syv: Symbolism!
06:02:56 syv: Delicious? What blood have you been snacking on? Mine tastes pretty bad.
06:03:50 ER: mostly kittens
06:03:59 Devastator: kitten blood?
06:04:04 ER: of course
06:04:37 ER: k
06:05:33 Devastator: War. War never changes.
06:06:15 Devastator: "Because I'm poor and I'm from a town where all people do is get drunk and kill themselves."
06:07:14 syv: "Because it pays well, gets a ton of benefits (in theory), and I probably won't have to shoot anyone."
06:07:25 syv: 1000:19 K:D.
06:07:37 Devastator: That's about what you need to win in birdgame, btw.
06:07:48 Devastator: Yow, they paid for him.
06:07:50 Devastator: that's rare.
06:08:35 syv: Yeah, I first saw this movie when I was twelve or so, my takeaway has always been "they should've just blown up the first helicopter then left. Saving people is stupid."
06:08:58 Devastator: Nobody would fight for someone who'd do that.
06:09:03 ER: one way to look at it!
06:09:38 syv: Sure! This is just the worst example of how leaving nobody behind can get.
06:10:14 syv: Still, trying to save someone who's pretty much guaranteed dead, in an area that is horrifically lethal, is just stupid and will only kill more people.
06:11:41 Devastator: Yeah.
06:11:58 Devastator: It's not that rare for them to leave bodies.
06:12:58 syv: A downed chopper with possibly-living people you just can't leave, though. Even if retrieval is essentially suicidal.
06:13:22 ER: shoot a rocket at it.
06:13:32 ER: problem solved
06:13:33 syv: That'd change in an *actual* war, something that you don't end up with a 1000:19 K:D when your enemy has every situational advantage.
06:14:18 Devastator: Yes.
06:14:23 ER: yeah, it's interesting that you end up with that ratio and call the result a terrible failure
06:15:15 syv: "People died. Mission failure."
06:15:40 ER: if you get casualties you didn't use enough guns!
06:16:01 Devastator: Objective-based thinking.
06:16:07 Devastator: Did it get the job done? No? Failure.
06:16:13 Devastator: Did people die on it too? Yes?
06:16:15 Devastator: Definately failure.
06:16:37 ER: they didn't really talk about the actual mission
06:16:47 ER: past the beginning
06:17:11 syv: Wikipedia: "Note: Task Force Ranger achieved the mission objectives of capturing specific Aidid lieutenants, but the political fallout from the resultant battle and consequent eventual U.S. withdrawal from Somalia could classify this as a Pyrrhic victory.[11]"
06:17:24 ER: yes
06:17:35 ER: we lost, because people died.
06:17:41 syv: They actually aced the objective, that was in the first like ten minutes of guns firing.
06:18:29 Devastator: That was good, though.
06:20:16 syv: It was apparently 18 US deaths, 73 wounded. Sources on Somalian deaths vary, but range from 300 to 500 deaths, 500-800 wounded, including both militia and civilians.
06:20:46 ER: afraid that this doesn't give me a lot of inspiration though, because it mostly filled my head with rubble blood and shell casings
06:20:52 ER: no tactics here!
06:21:20 syv: Actually, one very important takeaway. Lots, lots, lots of bullets fired, relatively few hits.
06:21:38 syv: Also, war is fucking terrifying and confusing.
06:21:43 Devastator: yes.
06:21:45 Devastator: bullets.
06:22:00 Devastator: bullets miss a lot.
06:22:38 ER: every time someone fires a bullet, roll 1d100
06:22:49 ER: on a 1, a random person is hit and dies
06:22:53 ER: system done!
06:23:15 Devastator: I think it's more like ~1200:1
06:23:28 syv: When we went to the range, recall how long it took you to aim? It's relatively easy to just put a round on target, given time to breath, line up the sights, and focus. When it's just a fleeting person running by, when you're panicked and thinking in five directions, and people are shooting at you, and your buddy just got shot and you don't have any clue whether he's dead--hitting becomes really, really hard.
06:24:05 ER: yes, so you shoot more!
06:24:27 syv: Yip.
06:34:53 Devastator: more bullets = fewer problems.
06:36:28 ER: more bullets = fewer cartridges = more problems
06:39:21 syv: IMO, any realistic firearm combat system will have fear as a very important mechanic. Suppression in military operations is HUGELY important, and in CQB, rapidity and sudden aggression--causing fear--is everything. It's a point of annoyance I've long had with ARMA, which doesn't really emphasize suppression much.
06:39:54 Devastator: Panic!
06:41:56 ER: I'd like an RTS game with both robotic and human units where the humansare subject to communication and fear
06:44:28 syv: I'd like an RTS vs game, where one or a few players are playing an RTS, and the rest of the players are playing an FPS or TPS.
06:44:41 syv: Not related to your statement, I just think it
06:44:51 syv: 'd be awesome if it somehow worked out.
06:45:10 ER: natural selection, if anyone still plays it
06:45:36 ER: some other tries for that idea I think, but I don't know them well
06:48:20 syv: ...Huh. Is that a game we could play?
06:49:00 ER: I don't like the concept
06:49:06 ER: people are annoying
06:49:19 ER: ESPECIALLY if they're playing a different genre of game
06:49:37 syv: Oh, it's with the RTS and FPS players on teams with each other.
06:49:49 syv: Like Alleg.
06:49:57 Devastator: Heh.
06:50:01 Devastator: Not me mentioning it this time.
06:51:14 syv: That's not what I mean, I mean a game where there's a bunch of AI mooks controlled loosely by an RTS player, probably fighting against other RTS players, with a collection of independant FPS players who are going for their own goals. Probably with superpowered characters that have some kind of upgrade trees, so there's a tactical element to countering them that the RTS players need to rxploit.
06:51:42 syv: ER. Send birdgame actions.
06:51:48 ER: no
06:51:56 syv: Dev's complaining in PMs to me, which is a bad sign.
06:52:27 ER: tell him to not do that
06:54:04 Devastator: I already complained to ER.
06:54:11 Devastator: not hiding it.
06:54:53 ER: don't complain about it to syv in pms
06:55:03 Devastator: yes
06:55:40 syv: Now he's talking about replacing your char!
06:56:14 ER: okay, you happy now?
06:56:15 syv: Dangit ER, you have the best results from the godrealm stuff, you can't get replaced! >:(
06:57:07 Devastator: Yes he can.
06:57:16 Devastator: I said that yes after sending that last message.
06:58:02 syv: AndroIRC doesn't have timestamps.
06:58:18 Devastator: ok.
06:58:37 ER: https://youtu.be/WShknpNpHbY
07:01:26 ER: dammit, did nobody do better than me in the godrealms?
07:01:47 syv: Devastator is a killer GM, you should know this by now.
07:01:57 Devastator: PW did good.
07:02:07 Devastator: syv did better than he things, but bad on an absolute scale.
07:02:08 syv: It's debatable whether your gift is the best, really, but yours is certainly the flashiest.
07:02:13 ER: yeah, that's why I've got to watch my moves
07:02:15 Devastator: MJ's up in the open.
07:02:20 Devastator: up in the air, so to speak.
07:02:23 Devastator: widely variable.
07:02:38 Devastator: I will tell you you don't need to come back immediately.
07:02:42 Devastator: you can wait a few turns.
07:03:06 syv: Hell, I think I did pretty well. Close third place I'd reckon, so far, and I can use the bonus... but still not very good.
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07:03:23 MidJag: lo
07:03:29 syv: NOW you show up.
07:03:49 syv: You missed the movie! And the chatting! And all the other stuff, which didn't actually happen!
07:04:01 syv: It was a long-ass movie, though, and you would
07:04:06 syv: 've liked it.
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07:04:13 ER: rip
07:04:18 syv: Wow.
07:04:28 Devastator: aww.
07:04:41 syv: Damn it, I was joking this time.
07:04:43 Devastator: Who is worse than you, syv?
07:04:50 Devastator: I wouldn't be too worried.
07:04:52 Devastator: it's really late for MJ.
07:05:03 syv: MJ, as far as I can tell he's gotten... very little, if anything?
07:05:17 syv: Yeah, I'm surprised he showed up at all.
07:05:40 ER: I actually have no idea what syv did, but MJ and PW both seem to have wandered and picked fights
07:06:01 syv: I walked in on a god having sex with a planet.
07:06:13 Devastator: It's more complicated than that, but yes.
07:06:16 syv: It worked out fairly well, considering.
07:06:18 ER: killer gm
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07:06:38 Devastator: MJ's stuff is pretty open.
07:06:45 Devastator: Don't worry, won't be nothing.
07:06:50 syv: Shush, he's back!
07:06:52 Devastator: Heya jaggers.
07:06:59 MidJag: Hiya dev
07:07:02 syv: We weren't talking about how open you are.
07:07:14 syv: It was just... about a game, yeah.
07:07:31 ER: nah he's hella dtf
07:07:44 syv facepalms
07:08:10 syv: But yeah, you missed Black Hawk Down.
07:08:40 MidJag: Aww
07:09:01 ER: shoulda watched jor~
07:09:40 syv: MJ barely ever pops around, but you and Dev are always here. I didn't expect him to show at all.
07:09:53 syv: And really, he didn't, and doesn't have the time now.
07:10:07 syv: MJ can't really commit to three hour movies. :\
07:10:56 ER: nah, we just have to catch him during a class and make him not pay attention to the professor
07:11:02 Devastator: Finished off that DoomRL run too, I'm afraid.
07:11:08 Devastator: all that was left was the end boss.
07:11:14 MidJag: It is difficult too comitt to 3 hour movies
07:11:15 Devastator: I shot him with the godpistol and he went down.
07:11:37 MidJag: I gotta have like a set plan already to do it.
07:11:45 MidJag: LAO NICE
07:11:50 MidJag: ^also nice
07:12:39 syv: Dev, is your real name Lao?
07:13:02 MidJag: I just can't spell, you know this :P
07:13:35 syv: I want Dev to be an evil Chinese-Canadian sorcerer, though.
07:13:45 MidJag: heh
07:13:59 MidJag: I guess I could stream something if people would want to watch.
07:14:34 syv: Probably not, I'm not on a stay-up-past-3AM schedule really.
07:15:00 ER: oh yeah, can't keep rolling melee if you get an 8 or lower
07:15:02 MidJag: oh right, florida's an hour past.
07:15:11 syv: If you could vehemently complain about a visual novel on stream, I'd be up for thst, but I think there's a myriad of impossibilities there.
07:15:22 ER: bad roll, though it shouldn't effect much. ;P
07:15:44 syv: Yeah, bad rolls usually affect things, rather than create things. :P
07:16:44 MidJag: I mean I guess I could do that.
07:17:19 MidJag: Would prefer streaming like telegltich or surgeon simulator or Doom RL but eh.
07:18:05 syv: I have my doubts.
07:18:14 ER: damn you guys need to roll better
07:18:21 syv: I've never heard you vehemently complain about anything.
07:19:41 MidJag: Eh
07:19:50 MidJag: I can do it, I just don't do it much.
07:20:16 MidJag: ER, dev? opinions on the stream?
07:21:00 ER: preeeetty late
07:22:23 syv: "Friendly Rabbit: Kung Lao takes off his hat and pulls out a bunny, which his opponent waves at in rejection. He then proceeds to beat the opponent with it until they explode. (MK:SM) "
07:22:28 Devastator: go for it if you want.
07:22:49 syv: "Unfriendly Rabbit: Kung Lao once again pulls a bunny out of his hat and throws it at the opponent, they catch it and pet it before it proceeds to feast on the opponent. The bunny eventually bites the opponent's head off. (MK:SM) "
07:23:19 syv: Stream Mortal Kombat
07:23:44 MidJag: Alright, how do I download that on a mac?
07:24:42 syv: Sell the Mac and buy a Windows?
07:25:52 MidJag: shush you~
07:26:13 ER: do they still not make games work on mac?
07:28:16 ER: far as I can tell, all the ones on steam only support windows
07:28:50 MidJag: Considering the Doom RL I downloaded just shows me a black screen with sound effects I'm gonna go with yes.
07:29:03 Devastator: Heh.
07:29:34 Devastator: there's a mac version, jaggers.
07:29:39 syv: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=D_PCiJPIFWo
07:29:49 Devastator: https://drl.chaosforge.org/file_download/31/doomrl-0997.dmg
07:30:10 MidJag: I am incompetent never forget that Dev.
07:31:00 syv: He won't. In twenty years, when you're trying to set up a practice in Canada, you'll know why it fails.
07:31:09 MidJag: heh
07:31:19 Devastator: Thanks for stopping by, syv.
07:32:43 MidJag: Hmm, still doesn't work, I'll have to try this on the windows tommorow. Way too tired right now.
07:33:41 Devastator: ok.
07:34:15 ER: sorry I gotta link this song again https://youtu.be/mbW8KBZguDM
07:34:20 ER: cause I like it
07:34:51 MidJag: Neat.
07:35:57 Devastator: heh, one of the hardest badges in the game is the one-kill pacifist run.
07:36:06 Devastator: because you get credited for the kill if ANYTHING dies.
07:36:16 MidJag: heh.
07:41:37 Devastator: yeah.
07:41:45 Devastator: some demon wanders onto lava? Fail.
07:41:51 MidJag: ouch
07:42:27 ER: but they can't wander into lava if you shoot them first!
07:44:21 MidJag: hmm, teleglitch anyone?
07:44:47 Devastator: ooh.
07:45:52 Devastator: need your stream address again.
07:46:27 ER: https://www.twitch.tv/middayjunglecat
07:46:29 ER: should be
07:47:18 MidJag: Gimme a sec to set up
07:49:25 MidJag: alright should be up
07:49:55 ER: doesn't appear to be
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07:51:02 midnightjaguar: That work?
07:51:20 Devastator: Nope.
07:51:30 midnightjaguar: Hmm.
07:52:33 midnightjaguar: That work?
07:53:05 ER: can't see shit~
07:53:34 Devastator: Still says offline.
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07:58:25 MidJag: hmm
08:01:44 MidJag: Alright now it should work
08:01:57 Devastator: yup
08:02:09 MidJag: https://www.twitch.tv/middayjunglecat
08:02:25 ER: kill things
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08:03:29 Devastator: Knife Only.
08:03:56 ER: doing well
08:03:57 Devastator: zombie love.
08:04:28 ER: have you tried aiming at the enemy
08:05:32 Devastator: Aim gun at face.
08:05:44 ER: missing another locker
08:05:59 ER: international
08:07:14 ER: they seem the same...
08:08:13 ER: haven't seen guns show up in level 2
08:09:26 ER: you're not killing the plants
08:09:39 Devastator: you can kill the plants?
08:09:40 ER: oh, no game sound btw
08:10:29 ER: you claim to be killing everything in sight that's living, but not the plants
08:10:44 ER: not if you miiiiss
08:11:40 Devastator: it's about half-strength compared to the normal rifle.
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08:16:19 Devastator: whoops.
08:16:22 Devastator: don't drop the gun.
08:16:36 Devastator: okay though.
08:16:40 Devastator: should prolly go sleep.
08:16:42 Devastator: catch you later.
08:30:18 MidJag: night
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