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02:56:50 Devastator: how's left-hand path?
03:43:46 Devastator: They really did a lot of improvements to Prison Architect. A lot of the slightly buggy stuff works properly now.
03:44:03 Devastator: laundry now is actually likely to go to cells, and the game properly reorders damaged uniforms.
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05:47:36 ER: hmm, monika's shoes are different.
05:47:54 syv: I'm just impressed at how well the artist did the DD style.
05:47:56 ER: surely this is signifigant in some way
05:49:12 syv: Checkee real quick, the character designs have the same different in the original game.
05:49:31 syv: So yes, evil character has evil socks.
05:49:49 ER: how dare you call monika evil
05:50:24 syv: Would you accept "Villainous"?
05:52:47 ER: Villainous is a pretty sure yes, antagonist is actually more borderline.
05:53:10 syv: I wouldn't call her an antagonist.
05:53:12 ER: which seems backwards, but that's how I'd think of it
05:54:27 syv: She's not *quite* hostile? Which is basically my meaning for antagonist?
05:55:03 syv: Though I suppose she sort-of kills characters, so...
05:56:38 ER: it's absolutely murder, of people who she doesn't see as people, for what she believes to be the greater good. That being her good and your good, because she only knows of two "real" people in existence.
05:57:22 syv: Doesn't she restore them in the end, though?
05:57:25 ER: so I guess it's like a cat killing a bird and leaving it on your porch. The cat isn't acting hostile at all.
05:57:54 syv: It's not murder, more stasis. Or... maybe murder, then resurrection without memory, which is kind-of better, I think.
05:58:21 ER: She did apparently intentionally keep backups.
05:59:22 ER: Though if I had to choose between someone killing me and that same person backing up my consiousness and then killing me, the first sounds like a much safer option.
06:05:25 ER: she only takes the narrative role of antagonist for a very shot period of time. Most of the story pointedly gives your no important role at all, which ironically is her motivation for antagonistic behavior...
06:06:54 syv: I didn't watch much of your stream before things got fucky. I thought like half of the game was fucky, and she was the source of all that, so wouldn't she be at the very least a hidden antagonist for half the game?
06:07:04 syv: I keep saying "game" when it's a novel, but nyeh.
06:08:08 ER: hmm. can a character be an antagonist without the reader realizing?
06:08:39 ER: like, in a murder mystery, the murderer looks like a normal character for most of the story.
06:09:31 syv: I think that's virtually always revealed towards the end, but there's plenty of examples where some seemingly benevolent helper turns out to have been behind everything the whole time.
06:11:05 ER: btw I'm reading Homestuck's epilogue. It's casually used the word "metatextual" several times.
06:11:29 ER: also I'm pretty sure it qualifies as a novel on its own.
06:12:39 ER: I'm wondering if it's actually going to technically hit every single one of the content warnings given at the start.
06:17:40 syv: Homestuck? Yes. It has one of the highest trope densities of anything, and I've heard that the author made an actual effort to include every formally recognized trope there is.
06:20:07 ER: it's a soup of tons of random characters interacting with each other over random events that sometimes link up with each other in a clever way and sometimes just make no fucking sense.
06:20:35 ER: which sounds like what you'd end up with if you wanted to go for the trope record, I guess.
06:23:42 Devastator: sometimes make no fucking sense.
06:23:47 Devastator: don't you mean always?
06:24:41 ER: in the context of that being the opposite of things linking up cleverly, no.
06:25:09 ER: The the context of holy shit this fucking webcomic where do I even start, yes that is correct.
06:25:42 Devastator: I don't think things generally linked up cleverly. I think it was more an example of enough shit being thrown around that there will be something relevant to turn up later.
06:30:38 Devastator: Could be just me thinking that, though.
06:31:33 syv: Mm. I haven't read Homestuck, but I have read Problem Sleuth, and it was viscerally repulsive to me.
06:32:31 ER: I read problem sleuth so very long ago that I barely remember it.
06:33:24 ER: Homestuck is a character drama where nothing really matters. If that doesn't appeal to you, don't read it.
06:33:42 ER: Except maybe the skim and look at the special effects
06:34:01 syv: Yeaaah that's where I've been at for a long, long time.
06:35:11 syv: I don't mean to knock it, I find plenty of objectively good things entirely repulsive; Awful Hospital and K6BD both hit me in the exact same way.
06:35:26 syv: Though both of those also have elements I like.
06:40:37 Devastator: in AH I'm actually managing to follow the characters.
06:40:41 Devastator: which is making it a lot better.
06:42:06 ER: AH is slightly more internally consistant that homestuck :P
06:59:38 Devastator: Vet ward is the corrupt one in AH, maybe.
07:00:11 Devastator: Looking for the last pic of the office room from Ferp's perspective, and Dog kept overwriting Baby.
07:00:12 ER: nah, it's probably going to be something dumber than that
07:02:26 Devastator: it would make sense, though.
07:02:32 Devastator: What IS a vet ward in this universe?
07:06:26 ER: a little bit into the homestuck epilogue, 100% of all text is colored.
07:07:39 syv: Why is it that in (my country's :P) history "Colored" meant "Black", but on the internet "Colored" means "Anything other than black"?
07:08:32 ER: because human minds are inconsistant
07:28:20 ER: one narrator describes someone drawing a sword with a loud sound while the other (powerless) narrator complains that swords only make that sound in the movies.
07:29:13 ER: not sure why you'd link today's smbc, it's not... very good.
07:29:21 syv: Damn it, and the votey is *another* terrible pun.
07:29:34 Devastator: I'm just amused at the imaginary movie.
07:29:59 syv: Does he also like cock puns? Because there's a lot of big black cocks in Sekiro, maybe he should try it.
07:31:49 Devastator: I'm just imagining an action movie with all the scenes set in server farms.
07:34:09 syv: That probably already exists.
07:34:18 syv: It's also not a particularly entertaining concept.
07:35:11 ER: I wonder if whoever designed the big black cocks in sekiro knew what they were doing
07:35:25 syv: They were Japanese, so no.
07:41:51 Devastator: It'd be a nice change from the smelters.
07:43:06 ER: at some point in the fight an RPG blast blows a hole in one of the servers, and later the hero kicks the villian into it, exiling him to cyberspace.
07:52:16 Devastator: "I wish I could punch people into metaphorical dimensions."
07:53:40 ER: do TRY not to wreck the universe with wishes, considering that one of the pillars of my own setting is that wishes actually help stabilize civilization and shit.
07:55:00 Devastator: "I wish I could punch metaphorical dimensions shut."
07:55:48 syv: Eh? Wasn't one of the pillars of your setting the idea that wishes had completely ruined the world?
07:56:36 ER: no, that was mostly just regular technology.
07:57:07 ER: wishes stopped being made, and things got all unstable.
07:57:52 Devastator: I thought it was fucked up by wishes for wishes.
07:58:20 ER: over the course of hundreds of years, the universe itself ran out of juice, witches ate everyone, and technology was created and massively misused.
07:58:51 ER: All of those things contributed to a pretty broken world.
08:21:46 ER: I must admit to quite liking that last scene.
08:22:19 ER: it involved a sniper rifle and some convoluted plans playing against each other.
08:25:05 Devastator: How long did the bullet take to land?
08:26:20 ER: wasn't described, but it did explicitly hit before the sound of it firing
08:26:49 Devastator: not before it was actually fired? Aww.
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