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01:16:04 Devastator: was just out for a min.
01:23:52 syv: I do like how part of Alida's action is "Pry the grate open. If I'm not strong enough to pry it open, dislocate both my shoulders and try again."
01:24:16 syv: It's a very
Piecewise action.
01:24:43 Devastator: Feel free to adjust that to something more reasonable.
01:24:50 Devastator: like 'Try to pull off the obvious lock'
01:25:05 syv: Well yes, but it ends with both her shoulders dislocated, and the fact that *both* are damaged makes it better.
01:25:06 Devastator: I've had enough of this dungeon.
01:25:24 Devastator: I can't more dislocate the already-dislocated one, therfore it won't add strength.
01:25:46 syv: Yeah. Don't worry. This is a very mundane challenge that literally any of you could bypass easily. Except Aleksandra, but she's a normal.
01:26:44 Devastator: Mine just involves more pain and not using soul.
01:27:51 Devastator: Will alida need to dislocate her other shoulder? How strong is she, atm?
01:27:53 syv: Alida will still need a roll to manually dislocate her shoulder without CC active, but she'll prolly pass.
01:29:28 Devastator: I suppose the fallback is just puching something then.
01:29:39 Devastator: which works, but is a much messier thing to fix.
01:32:03 Devastator: And yeah, I hop Tooru posts. Might be away for the weeked.
01:32:47 syv: Well, I've got other stuff to write, so not really a problem.
01:33:14 Devastator: listening to the new guy on Extra History.
01:33:27 Devastator: reminds me of what
MJ was saying last night. The new person has no sense of cadence.
01:33:45 syv:
MJ was around last night? And watches that show?
01:35:49 Devastator: the night before, with his complaining about podcasts.
01:36:02 Devastator: I can't watch that show anymore because the voice actor is just terrible.
01:36:36 syv: Mm. I've tried to watch the show, but don't like it because I don't care for history. :P
01:37:09 Devastator: It's only about 70% accurate in any case. ;-p
01:38:57 syv: Mmmn. That's always annoying.
01:39:06 Devastator: Better than a lot of sources at that.
01:39:14 Devastator: but yeah, there's stuff to quibble about.
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01:43:39 syv: ...Hm. I accidentally dropped my phone and pressed a bunch of buttons, disconnecting me, but ALSO opening up a play store link to "AndroIRC Premium", which is apparently the paid version of the app I'm using. The only feature it lists is removing ads. But... AndroIRC doesn't *have* ads. Or at least none of the screens I've seen or use have ads.
01:44:10 Devastator: Well, it will now that you've been noticed. ;-p
01:44:23 Devastator: Man, though adding ads to IRC? Sheesh.
01:44:37 syv: Then I'll get another client, I guess. Weird though. The app hasn't updated recently or anything.
01:45:29 Devastator: You should be fine.
01:45:37 Devastator: It might mean broadcast messages or such.
01:46:18 syv: Does my client broadcast ads? I know HydraIRC sorta does, since I see something about it whenever someone using it quits.
01:49:41 Devastator: your quit message is "Definitely a psyv.", and the messages when you drop or something seem normal.
01:49:57 syv: Yeah, and I set that quit messagr, obviously.
01:50:03 Devastator: If you don't know what I mean by broadcast messages, you don't get them.
01:50:06 Devastator: so no worries there.
01:57:03 Devastator: Also, PS is still great.
01:58:24 ER: oh, woe, when will I get to inflict my edgy OC on everyone?
01:59:29 Devastator: Not too long, likely.
01:59:59 Devastator: Alida has to break herself and a grate first. Sasha will likely make a wish too, and then maybe.
02:00:43 ER: should activate your secret vampire mist form power to bypass the grate.
02:01:29 syv: Hunt finally finished downloading,
ER. I'm gonna be leaving for work in about an hour, though, so no gaming until later tonight.
02:02:42 ER: occurs to me that mist form is actually a good power, maybe I should steal it.
02:02:58 ER: I didn't think it was a cool power before, but mist raven OP
02:03:17 syv: Yeah, Mist Raven is great.
02:03:35 syv: Best prosthetic. Except maybe for money shot.
02:06:01 syv: "Mist form" as a power feels a bit limited by itself. It's useful as a mobility tool (a combination of flight and being able to fit through ANY opening), and somewhat as a defense, but beyond that doesn't seem to have many options.
02:06:55 syv: If you're gonna add it to Refine, I'd suggest limiting its capabilities a *little*, while packaging it into another power.
02:06:57 Devastator: Is it a good thing if someone breathes you in?
02:07:20 Devastator: For you or the breather?
02:07:48 Devastator: (And you were saying that berzerker + painless 3 could let you break into anywhere.
02:08:39 syv: Mostly I'd suggest limiting its defensive ability. It'd be relatively balanced if it makes you immune to normal damage, while making you extremely vulnerable to fire or large AoEs or whatever, but that's not really fun. So I'd make it just give great damage resistance, without immunity or significant weaknesses.
02:09:04 Devastator: I'd probably make it more vulnerable to environmental hazards.
02:09:05 syv: Yeah, it could. Remove your body and now you're just a floating gem, which can fit anywhere a mous can go.
02:09:33 Devastator: maybe not so much direct attacks, even ones like fire.
02:10:49 syv: I wouldn't want to have it grant immunity to anything, because then it limits design space. You can't make an important enemy that relies purely on physical attack if it gives cheap invulnerability, and if it's not cheap, then the power isn't very useful for mobility, making it even less interesting.
02:10:50 Devastator: ..How would that feel, though? Dragging your gem through a mousehole with ghost hands?
02:11:07 Devastator: ..Also, I think you'd lose your senses without eyes.
02:11:46 syv: Cont: And I wouldn't want it to be hyper-vulnerable to anything, like fire or explosions, because then it's a defensive ability which can get you oneshot if you use it wrong, and that's unfun.
02:11:53 ER: painless 3 explicitly lets you not be slowed down in any way by having your body pulped
02:12:31 syv: Nah, Painless III lets all your body parts function perfectly even if they don't exist. You might have trouble seeing while jamming your soul through a mousehole, since you're basically a ghost, but you could still do it.
02:12:59 Devastator: oh, so you could see. Hmm.
02:13:11 Devastator: I thought you'd have to lose your senses.
02:13:25 Devastator awaits the moment where Alida shows up in class missing an eye because she didn't notice it. ;-p
02:13:35 syv: Painless III means you function at 100%, without injuries affecting you in any way aside from severs making the specific body part largely intangible.
02:15:04 ER: Sharon: "Who needs real arms anyway?"
02:15:31 Devastator: and berzerk means the more missing body parts the stronger you are.
02:15:44 Devastator: of course, ghost arms can't block shots.
02:15:47 syv: It's a kinda obvious synergy, yeah.
02:15:56 syv: And a less obvious downside, yeah.
02:16:13 ER: that's what parry tools are for!
02:16:35 syv: Steal Ada's heater shield!
02:17:03 ER: "Her helmet's gone, too, and her right eye is swollen shut--though you know the red glow over it means she can see just fine"
02:17:19 Devastator: Alida's magic is blue. ;-p
02:17:33 ER: this means that I already know in-character what
syv just told you :P
02:18:02 Devastator: It's just.. not that often visible.
02:18:39 ER: I'd probably re-read Sophia's thread fairly often if it weren't painful.
02:18:59 syv: Damn, I really should go over all that and properly edit it.
02:19:08 syv: If only editting weren't so goddamn agonizing.
02:19:40 Devastator: I wouldn't worry about it.
02:19:55 syv: You are a stronger man than I.
02:20:37 syv: A kittycat is bumping my head with his head. :)
02:21:19 Devastator: have Pumsy do that. ;-p
02:21:23 ER: that means that by cat law, your head belongs to him.
02:23:00 ER: just like I'll have to introduce shopcat to TH at some point.
02:23:54 Devastator: Presumably there's a cat that runs a shop.
02:25:50 Devastator: Need some hot tactical action.
02:27:28 Devastator: Have everyone fight fire elementals. ;-p
02:27:34 Devastator: that cast fireball spells.
02:27:41 syv: Uhh. Maybe not that kind of hot, please.
02:27:55 Devastator: ..why not? Something against fighting guys in tactical combat?
02:28:12 Devastator: or just afraid for your metal-plated melee fighter?
02:28:35 syv: Afraid of things that can't bleed or feel pain.
02:29:37 Devastator: Don't you have a weapon?
02:30:05 Devastator: Also, sprinkled is dropping the shiny.
02:30:09 syv: I also worry about Alexander's ability to parry fire.
02:30:18 Devastator: I predict catgirl will take increased carrying capacity for the sole purpose of shinies. ;-p
02:30:41 syv: Even by Souls logic, you can only partially mitigate fire damage with a parry...
02:31:01 Devastator: well, they might only be partly able to resist pain..
02:32:30 syv: Maybe. Tactical Hell's system *does* imply we'd be able to beat fire to death.
02:32:44 Devastator: Hell, I bet you could fight fire with fire.
02:33:29 ER: TH System wants you to stop thinking already and hit something
02:33:54 syv: If only real life worked on Tactihell logic; we'd arm firefighters with assault rifles.
02:34:04 Devastator: People do fight fire with fire, though..
02:34:10 Devastator: that's a lot of what the forestry guys do.
02:34:16 syv: Yes, but not quite in that way.
02:34:33 syv: Fighting fire with fire is more just burning fuel before the fire you can't fight reaches it.
02:35:06 Devastator: ..but you can fight it, and that's how you do so.
02:35:12 Devastator: It's not that simple.
02:35:14 syv: And shooting fire with bullets is entirely counter productive.
02:38:43 ER: though just manifesting extra arms when you still have both your normal ones seems like a trick
02:38:47 Devastator: It looks like that guy doesn't actually have the extra arms.
02:39:02 Devastator: So maybe it's Effigy, and he's using painless to maintain a full extra body after it got splatted.
02:39:19 Devastator: That's definately a possibility.
02:39:32 Devastator: get swallowed, tear it apart from the inside.
02:39:48 Devastator: and the enemy would be literally incapable of destroying said body because it's already gone.
02:40:28 Devastator: That might be a bit abusive.
02:41:47 Devastator: I think I said my comments.
02:41:57 syv: It's not really painless though, because the shield and swords seem to be parrying, IE they're tangible.
02:43:14 syv: Does look pretty much precisely how I visualize it though.
02:43:23 Devastator: so would painless 3 allow a completely-destroyed effigy body to keep fighting? Nothing to be hit?
02:43:36 syv: Your soul gem is hittable.
02:44:50 Devastator: Mmm, that sounds pretty horrific.
02:44:57 Devastator: fighting a bravery witch is going to be hell.
02:46:24 Devastator: I'd recommend sneaking.
02:46:34 Devastator: ..probably be a good one for Alida to skip, actually.
02:46:37 ER: an effigy probably wouldn't be very hard at all to Mind Control, having no mind of its own.
02:46:51 Devastator: Sounds like a plan.
02:47:10 Devastator: They can be ended at will, but even so, that's a kill.
02:48:45 Devastator: or maybe the MCing character can take over the cost.
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02:51:27 Devastator: Even though your character doesn't have any.
02:52:22 Devastator: Hmm, yeah, I suppose there is going to be an overall plot.
02:52:41 Devastator: I mean, Asha had her town miseried to death.
02:52:56 syv: I haven't forgotten about that, BTW.
02:54:19 syv: She has a pretty good idea.
02:55:53 ER: Yeah, should ask Pumsy where Hannah is some time.
02:57:40 ER: She seems kinda twitchy though, I don't want to get shot.
02:58:26 syv: Hannah's not twitchy, she's just not nice and doesn't see any particularly good reason *not* to shoot you.
03:00:08 syv: Actually, there's a fair argument there.
03:02:24 syv: More mature than I was at 14 though. Less mature than I am now. Prolly somewhere around "
syv at 17". Not surprising, writing children as appropriately immature is one of the hardest parts of writing children. Especially plot-relevant children.
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03:02:38 syv: Oh hey
MJ, you're just in time for me to leave for work.
03:03:06 MidJag_: Heh, my timeing is impeccable as always I see :P
03:04:03 syv: Yeah, bye, be back later. Entertain
ER &
dev for me, please!
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03:07:45 MidJag_: What have you been up to
ER?
03:09:53 MidJag_: So treat emergency patients?
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03:43:09 Devastator: up for OPM watching?
03:44:40 MidJag_: I can do an episode sure.
03:44:49 MidJag_: Lemme get my comp plugged in.
03:44:57 Devastator: Heh, alida walking up to twitchy girl.
03:45:12 Devastator: "Hi. You can't hurt me that way, so can we talk now?"
03:45:18 Devastator: "Hi. You can't hurt me that way, so can we talk now?"
03:45:40 MidJag_: I feel like that will only end once she runs out of bullets
03:46:42 Devastator: Yeah, since Berzerker cancels the soul loss, she could do that indefinately.
03:47:34 MidJag_: "Hi. You can't hurt me that way, so can we talk now?"
03:47:59 ER: *takes out the next machinegun*
03:48:16 ER: *aims specifically for the gem this time*
03:48:44 Devastator: I'd be using an effigy duplicate.. no gem. ;-p
03:49:46 MidJag_: oh so your Yellow now :P
03:50:54 Devastator: That was a TM duplicate.
03:52:18 Devastator: need dubs here to find it for us.
03:54:47 Devastator: okay, that might be it.
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04:02:43 Devastator: I suspect that the article may have no connection to the work.
04:03:04 MidJag_: probs, but still kinda cool.
04:03:08 Devastator: Especially with out of context quotes from people who weren't anywhere near the project.
04:03:14 MidJag_: I'll have to find the actual thing.
04:03:35 MidJag_: Heh, first link in the article.
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04:10:50 syv: Have we even downloaded OPM? I don't believe I ever got a link.
04:11:04 Devastator: I have one, but I want to finish it before linking it.
04:11:12 Devastator: to make sure it's ok.
04:11:18 Devastator: single episodes, after all.
04:11:36 syv: Well, we have a few movies, a few shows, a few games, and all four people.
04:11:51 syv: I also have a good internet connection, and am pretty awake, so I'm leaning towards a game.
04:12:02 syv:
MidJag_, how long are you gonna be here?
04:12:23 Devastator: I do have that one you made me download.
04:12:23 MidJag_: like an hour ish, waking up early tommorow unfortunetlly.
04:12:40 syv: Yeah, Neotokyo.
MJ, did you ever download that?
04:13:10 Devastator: japanese with japanese subs.
04:13:45 syv: Looking through my torrents, I have Goblin Slayer and AoT S2 as the two <hour long shows. I also have a bunch of other things, but I don't think any of those have been DL'd by everyone.
04:14:06 syv: Did everyone else get Goblin Slayer?
04:14:12 syv: I may have forgotten to link it.
04:14:20 MidJag_: I didn't know we were doing goblin slayer
04:14:26 Devastator: looks like a no then.
04:14:31 Devastator: Nope, didn't get goblin slayer.
04:14:36 MidJag_: But I've got a good connection so I can get it without too much troube
04:14:42 ER: I refuse goblin slayer on principle~
04:14:56 Devastator: Don't you want to watch me get killed,
ER?
04:15:06 ER: still like to watch s bit of AoT though
04:15:46 syv: I watched the infamous rape scene. It's not bad at all, doesn't show anything, and doesn't fetishize the act, or at least not ANYWHERE NEAR as much as the manga did.
04:15:50 MidJag_: I don't think I ever did, do you need to buy something else for it or something?
04:16:20 Devastator: no you don't need to buy anything.
04:16:28 ER: because I read the manga and held a grudge
04:16:51 MidJag_: The manga is pretty bad about the rape thing I must say.
04:17:13 syv: It actually does seem to be a pretty good show, in a similar vein to Overlord but with less... pointlessness.
04:17:22 MidJag_: I would tottally watch GS
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04:17:54 MidJag_: Killing with creativity and utter sociopathic hatred is always fun. :P
04:18:04 syComp:
MJ, download this first?
04:18:20 syComp: Currently I'd rather play that with four people than watch GS, and
ER's refusing GS anyway.
04:18:49 MidJag_: Alright lemme switch comps then.
04:19:25 Devastator: I'll get it downloading while
MJ's downloading.
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04:20:55 Devastator: already did neotoky.
04:21:08 Devastator: and thanks to playing some prison architect, steam SHOULD be done updating for a day or so.
04:21:11 MidJag_: yeah, I'm clicking install now and nothings happening
04:21:28 syv: Are you signed into Steam?
04:21:47 MidJag_: It says apperentlly I need to own CS source
04:21:50 syv: If you actually just clicked the browser link, don't do that. Open Steam, click store, search Neotokyo.
04:21:55 ER: it usually takes a second after clicking it in the browser for steam to realize
04:22:07 syv: You don't, you just need to use your brain a little more. -.-
04:22:07 MidJag_: I'm in the steam client
04:22:15 Devastator: You don't need to own CS Source.
04:22:21 syv: Eh? It worked fine for me in the steam client.
04:23:01 syv: I've never owned CS source, BTW, that's definitely not the problem.
04:25:06 syv: Check downloads? Are you sure it's not already downloading and just not saying it?
04:25:22 syv: Failing that, check if you have enough free hard drive space, I guess?
04:26:03 MidJag_: I've got plenty of space
04:30:04 syv: Okay, how about Surviv.io, then?
04:30:17 syv: That actually works, and we all like it, at least.
04:30:41 Devastator: I'll be a bit laggy from the torrents, but that'll give the rest of you a chanc.e
04:31:11 MidJag_: I'd be down with some surviv, I'll try to get it DL'd before we play next
04:32:14 Devastator: looks like some odd squad setting right now.
04:33:28 syv: Surviv doesn't save keybinding changes.
04:33:38 Devastator: there are keybindings?
04:33:50 syv: You press buttons, don't you?
04:33:51 MidJag_:
syv refuses to get mess with the weeb shit of so many beutifal cheery blossoms :P
04:33:51 Devastator: I just punch people.
04:34:25 ER: so
dev plays survivio with a VR rig, got it
04:34:47 Devastator: ..that would be seriously impressive.
04:34:53 MidJag_: 2D with VR perspective might be kinda cool honestlly
04:35:01 MidJag_: Head ache inducing, but cool.
04:35:12 Devastator: And.. here.. we.. go.
04:36:46 MidJag_: Damn some dude has like a cluster nade launcher
04:39:49 MidJag_: oh, it's just the USAS 12 with frags
04:41:11 MidJag_: A very cover heavy map
04:41:16 ER: dunno what just happened, but
04:41:30 Devastator: that guy that kept dodging I was following for like a full three minutes.
04:42:45 syv: ...My screen just died. Or something. BRB.
04:43:13 Devastator: will restart when red zone kills
syv.
04:43:18 MidJag_:
syv is doing supringly well for doing nothign
04:43:42 MidJag_: So what's the wood king?
04:43:53 Devastator: nor do I much care. ;-p
04:45:00 Devastator:
ER's doing something.
04:46:04 Devastator: I wanted to pick up the axe not start reviving you.
04:46:05 MidJag_: I think we almost had him
04:46:15 Devastator: we should have had him.
04:46:29 Devastator: and once again, no fucking punches. What's wrong with my fists?
04:46:55 MidJag_: your fists were placed under the heading of OP pls nerf
04:50:54 Devastator: okay, gotta punch that guy out.
04:50:57 syv: I don't like this mode nearly as much.
04:51:05 Devastator: only squad mode on atm.
04:51:08 MidJag_: I dunnno, this is kinda fun.
04:53:01 Devastator: agg, I thought that was one of you.
04:53:34 ER: that was a heroic last stand
04:54:55 ER: so this is... heavy cover, high end weapons, very short view range
04:55:05 syv: Okay, special helmet gives you health regen, and faster speed while being shot at
04:55:25 MidJag_: This feels like a nam map
04:55:42 syv: It also means there's a big mark on the map pointing you out whenever you put it on, get a kill, or get killed.
04:56:10 syv: It also gives the same armor effects as a level III helmet.
04:56:25 MidJag_: Does it make you greaphic bigger as well?
04:56:41 syv: If an ally shoots at the special helmet, the speedup effect still activates.
04:56:59 syv: Yes, it makes you 25% larger.
04:57:05 syv: So you're much easier to spot and shoot.
04:58:02 MidJag_: Alright I can do one or two more.
05:03:25 Devastator: smooth move there, helmet guy.
05:04:48 Devastator: yeah, you almost had it.
05:04:58 ER: got one kill, and it was with the airstrike offscreen :D
05:05:08 Devastator: that was your airstrike?
05:08:02 Devastator: the hell? Game just locked solid when I opened that door.
05:09:14 MidJag_: what are those eye boxes?
05:09:19 Devastator: Did it do that for you guys too?
05:10:38 Devastator: I died because the game lagspiked when I saw someone.
05:10:45 Devastator: that gun is insane.
05:11:53 Devastator: I did kill one in melee, so I'm happy. ;-p
05:12:33 syv: Maximum damage is 99 if you hit and every piece of shrapnel hits. Average damage is closer to 70
05:13:03 syv: Unarmored health is 100, of course. And it can't really crit, since most of the damage comes from the explosion and shrapnel.
05:14:00 Devastator: can it crit an extra 1 damage?
05:14:06 syv: It drops from those invincible eye block things, but you need a stone hammer to smash those.
05:14:18 Devastator: oh, that makes sense.
05:14:21 Devastator: Where do you get a hammer?
05:14:29 syv: Yes. On a direct hit crit it gets +5 damage.
05:15:24 syv: Certain bunkers, apparently.
05:16:02 syv: "Eye bunker", the desert map's Bank, and rarely in "Meteor Craters".
05:16:21 syv: All luck based, of course.
05:17:17 Devastator: Yeah, gotta reduce the skill delta.
05:17:33 syv: Meteor crates (Not craters, derp) are special airdrop crates.
05:18:16 syv: No, they have a picture of a meteor on them.
05:18:32 MidJag_: oh you mean the metal ones?
05:18:46 MidJag_: WHat do the eye crates do?
05:18:57 Devastator: all airdrop crates have a picture of a meteor on them.
05:19:00 Devastator: they drop the stupid weapon.
05:19:06 Devastator: if you have a stone hammer.
05:19:40 syv: ...Okay, yes, meteor crates are the name of airdrop crates.
05:20:20 syv: No, no. Airdrop crates MAY drop a stone hammer. The stone hammer can break the invulnerable black blocks with an eye on them. The blocks MAY drop a USAS.
05:21:24 ER: pretty sure I got a USAS directly from an air crate
05:21:28 syv: The stone hammer is also the highest damage melee weapon in the game.
05:21:40 Devastator: Yeah, but it doesn't deflect bullets like a pan.
05:21:57 syv: The pan has equal damage but less range.
05:22:09 Devastator: how about the new naginata?
05:22:24 syv: ...Or, wait, no. Pan has 50% more range for some reason.
05:22:46 syv: The naginata is weaker and slightly slower than both, but has double the range of the hammer.
05:22:49 Devastator: and it makes a nice 'donk' sound.
05:24:22 syv: The Naginata can four-shot anyone from full health, though only barely; boost might mean they take five.
05:24:54 syv: The stone hammer is only a little better, guaranteeing four hits will kill, and it'll land them slightly faster. Less range though.
05:25:25 Devastator: armour means those numbers aren't reliable.
05:26:14 syv: Level 1 vest makes you take 2, Level 2/3 lets you take 3. You can never take 4, unless you have Level 4 helm+level 3 armor, and it's the naginata.
05:26:30 syv: Level 4 helm only spawns in desert,= though, I think.
05:27:13 Devastator: oh, those were the numbers with full armour.
05:27:29 syv: *Level 2 lets you take three if you have ANY helm. Just the armor means you're threeshot.
05:32:00 syv: Hunt is pissing me off. Apparently some files are corrupt, so it can't install. It gives a filepath to the corrupt files, but nothing is actually there. I verified to vanilla, which should clear corrupt files, and then it redownloaded and had the same error.
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05:33:33 syv: And then AndroIRC crashes!
05:33:45 syv: These are problems that
ER and
MJ are supposed to have, not me!
05:33:56 MidJag_: Sorry
syv, I might have infected you.
05:34:07 syv: Hey,
MJ, if you're hanging around you should try to download Neotokyo again.
05:34:16 syv: Restart your computer if it still doesn't work.
05:34:34 Devastator is still smugly immune.
05:34:35 MidJag_: Yeah, I tried that and it actually worked.
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05:35:06 syv: Well, what should the three of us do?
05:36:30 Devastator: dunno, downloading something involving goblins.
05:38:11 Devastator: I think you did want me to play neotokyo, which I have now.
05:41:37 syv: It's strictly a vs game, so we'd be playing 2v1, but I'm fine with that if you and
ER are.
05:41:56 syv: If any randos popped it, it'd become even, but there's not a high chance of that.
05:43:49 Devastator: I was expecting you two to 2v1 me..
05:46:04 syv:
ER? You want to 2v1 Neotokyo with
Dev?
05:48:29 Devastator: So what shall we two do?
05:50:51 syv: 2v1 could be made more balanced if the team always announces what classes/weapons they're using.
05:56:36 syv: We could 1v1 Neotokyo, or do duo surviv. I don't think the AoT game would be a good choice, and I can't think of anything beyond those two.
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05:59:48 Elastic_Ridicule: I started looking away because you were talking about surviv and it was super boring
06:01:47 Elastic_Ridicule: it's not like I have something to do in the morning or anything.
06:02:02 Elastic_Ridicule: maybe it would be for the best for me to retire, actually!
06:02:25 syv:
Devastator, Surviv. You make the link.
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06:04:09 Devastator: didn't finish loading.
06:05:04 Devastator: it didn't load up right for me.
06:05:09 Devastator: I didn't leave it long enough.
06:12:40 Devastator: phew, proper asskicking that.
06:12:50 Devastator: picked up a spectator halfway through, always fun.
06:13:14 Devastator: You get a little eye symbol in the lower left corner.
06:13:22 Devastator: or at the bottom if the map is closed.
06:20:11 Devastator: beat some pretty good players there.
06:20:15 Devastator: you did get 8 yourself..
06:20:22 syv: 8x + mosin is kinda ridiculousl
06:20:23 Devastator: and you did just fine.
06:20:42 syv: You got more killshots, and a bit more damage.
06:20:55 Devastator: That was just me being my usual hyper-agressive self.
06:21:05 Devastator: did get a punch kill, which was nice.
06:21:12 syv: We ended up flanking those two guys near the end,
06:21:24 Devastator: Those two guys in the house were hanging on well.
06:21:31 syv: And that naginata charge with you standing back and firing full auto was just perfect.
06:21:33 Devastator: we had guys from two sides all the time there.
06:21:51 Devastator: Yeah, no need for me to get in close there, just hem him in towards you.
06:25:05 Devastator: got a bit laggy there.
06:26:20 Devastator: slick move there baiting him with the fake reload.
06:27:37 Devastator: got a pirate crate but could only kill one guy.
06:29:26 Devastator: my fault, should have anticipated someone coming in and been ready.
06:29:27 syv: I;m not good with shotties.
06:31:55 syv: That was totally my fault.
06:32:02 Devastator: damn, almost got him.
06:32:54 syv: That was amazing and embarassing.
06:32:57 Devastator: just too many dudes.
06:33:02 Devastator: I could not punch them all.
06:33:08 syv: Guy with a sawnoff was hiding in a shipping container, clearly waiting to oneshot me.
06:33:16 syv: I had no gun, but I had a mirv/
06:33:35 Devastator: wait, we died simultaneously?
06:33:36 syv: Cooked it, ran around just enough to bounce it inside, then retreated before he fired both shots.
06:33:54 Devastator: I was trying to fight like five guys with the 3-shot pistol.
06:33:55 syv: He died almost immediately, I was so proud of myself, ran in to grab the loot.
06:34:03 syv: The second boom killed me, because MIRV.
06:40:20 syv: I shot LOTS of people with the mosin, but they kept running away.
06:40:57 syv: Oh my god that was close, and you had basically nothing
06:40:57 Devastator: fucking hell, if I'd won that it would have been amazing.
06:41:20 Devastator: I could have made it if I'd backed off at the end.
06:42:26 syv: I thought the other one was you...
06:45:41 Devastator: ugh, should have taken that guy seriously.
06:45:48 Devastator: and just ran into the red.
06:49:13 Devastator: yeah, missed that. Sorry.
06:54:25 Devastator: dammit, missed the x4 scope when running down-left.
06:54:37 Devastator: and should have thrown a nade up right before rescuing you.
06:59:25 Devastator: Yeah, got sniped by that guy too.
07:05:09 Devastator: dammit, I split targets there.
07:05:22 syv: I shouldn't have charged out, that guy was razor accurate with his M416.
07:05:34 Devastator: that was a machien gun.
07:12:45 Devastator: It's a serious weapon.
07:12:59 Devastator: There are many better weapons than the revolver pistol, but the mac 10 is serious weapon.
07:13:19 Devastator: no more revolver pistol, though.
07:15:21 Devastator: I think that guy might have been cheating.
07:15:35 syv: I don't use shotguns if I can help it.
07:15:42 Devastator: was ridiculously accurate with that shotty.
07:16:05 Devastator: just blew a shot he could have nailed if he was.
07:16:05 syv: Also, a few games ago, I gave you an 8x, and you looted a 4x while the best I had was a 2x.
07:16:24 Devastator: it's sometimes automatic.
07:16:26 syv: I was spamming ! and dropping the 2x but you didn't notive it. I got a 4x in the next fight, but still. :\
07:23:25 Devastator: Hows that machine gun?
07:23:38 Devastator: I axed the guy who had it.
07:23:51 syv: I should've swapped the Mk, I didn't realize it had such range.
07:23:57 Devastator: awesome gun, eat fist!
07:24:09 Devastator: I think one more, and then I gotta cool down.
07:28:07 syv: Just Rambo the whole server, yeah, why not.
07:29:06 syv: You would have won if you saw the 8x.
07:29:25 syv: Why do you never pick up camo?
07:29:28 Devastator: Nah, I was surrounded later on. Would have made it more likely, but it wouldn't have been much easier.
07:29:37 Devastator: I like getting underestimated.
07:29:38 syv: Err, not camo, colors in general.
07:29:53 Devastator: Rather not look distinctive.
07:30:18 syv: I always use them in squad because it prevents you from mistaking an enemy for me. Something that I do with you somewhat often.
07:30:40 Devastator: I'm sorry for muffing that pickup on you.
07:31:20 Devastator: ..and being mistaken for someone else is why I use it. Rather not make it easier for people to prioritize me.
07:31:23 syv: No worries, I just wanted to say so that in the future if you saw me doing that, you'd understand what I mean.
07:31:31 Devastator: I meant that last game.
07:31:38 Devastator: a bit better play and I might have been able to revive you.
07:31:55 syv: Ah. Don't know what you're referring to, my death there was pretty much my fault.
07:32:11 syv: Eh. I shouldn't have walked next to a nade, while having low health at that.
07:32:36 Devastator: Nah, I fumbled my positioning when holding him off, I could have dropped him and rescued you if I'd stood in the right place.
07:32:49 Devastator: can't shoot through friendlies, after all.
07:33:45 Devastator: Think that's probably enough tonight, actually.
07:33:57 Devastator: can chat, but I can't take hours of effort gaming these days.
07:37:41 syv: I still feel unhappy with Mimicry, in PS. The whole "You can't use memorized forms unless you're below [whatever] stage of soul" feels very artificial, and not really limiting.
07:38:26 Devastator: how about you can't learn a form unless you're below X?
07:38:34 syv: I personally *like* the idea of making each memorized form permanently lower your soul max, but then that's a really painful downside, and means there's no reason to *not* spam the ability once you have memorized forms.
07:39:18 syv: "Can't learn" feels completely random and meaningless. It would prevent eating forms that you only have a short chance at, but that's not a big issue. It's mostly just flavor.
07:39:57 syv: No, I like the power, I just don't feel like the dark soul downside works well.
07:40:11 Devastator: You lose a max soul level for each form?
07:40:20 Devastator: That seems pretty brutal. Admittedly, it's really quite good.
07:40:47 syv: I could do less. Half a soul stage or something. I just really don't know how bad/minor that would be.
07:41:26 syv: Yeah, and there's the other thing. Nothing's stopping you from eating five forms, then using *strictly* mimicry for the rest of the game.
07:41:49 Devastator: It's not a bad power, but I don't know why I'd use it and not semblance.
07:41:55 Devastator: unless you want to destroy things.
07:42:22 syv: You could get an immense amount of versatility with few forms, and they're so cheap to use (and it's encouraged to use cheap abilities due to the lowered max) that you wouldn't really need much else.
07:42:38 syv: You'd use mimicry because semblance gets quite expensive.
07:43:01 Devastator: so you could eat a steel bar and be steel hard for minor whenever you want.
07:43:20 Devastator: What do you get for feeding a gem to Pumsy?
07:43:48 syv: It'd also be boring gameplay if you did mimicry only, since you're using the exact same forms constantly... which is what the current limitation is about, and I think it does that fine, it's just not really a harsh penalty at all.
07:44:57 syv: Eating a seed makes all other seeds better, and makes you better, but doesn't heal your soul.
07:45:01 Devastator notes to not necessarily hand the seed over if it's good for more than two uses.
07:45:22 Devastator: I mean, nobody else is as low as Tooru or Alida was upon exiting the last dungeon..
07:45:39 syv: You get boosts for each use. Feeding him a really powerful seed that hasn't been touched gets you an enormous boost.
07:46:11 Devastator: well, operation beat up other magical girls, avaunt! ;-p
07:46:36 syv: Mechanically, it's a reward in case players do *really* well, and also helps dissuade stodkpiling seeds and negating the whole soul management mechanic.
07:46:47 syv: ...And to encourage teamkilling, yes.
07:47:07 Devastator: I think it's more likely to kick in if you have a near TPK.
07:49:24 Devastator: (Activate Painless. Activate Mimicry 1 to eat myself. Mimic myself.)
07:49:43 Devastator: bam, infinite healing for minor.
07:49:56 Devastator: admittedly, it is a primary..
07:50:26 syv: Yup. Mimicry is quite powerful.
07:51:22 Devastator: I hate to say it, they're all fun, but from a pure powergamer's standpoint for one level I'd take Masquerade Manipulation.
07:52:42 syv: MM is very good, yeah. At least if it's used.
07:53:17 syv: Though, making yourself impossible to perceive by a witch is expensive. It's still great, but expensive.
07:53:31 Devastator: Partly just to make the everyday life better. Quite a bit to just sneak past problems. I mean, fighting them will also cost soul.
07:56:07 Devastator: Mimicry is good, but level 1 isn't that impressive.
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