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01:03:06 Devastator: Yes, Dwarves in the new world are the same as all Dwarves everywhere.
01:04:20 Devastator: Why did Einz take one of the dark elves and Shalteer when going to a dwarven city? No, Demiurge, it's not some complicated plan-related reason, it's because they're both short.
01:06:29 Devastator: Forest, meet Mr. Tree.
01:44:20 Devastator: "He saw the faces of Dwarves, but they all looked the same to him. He did not know if that was Zenberu’s fault, but he could not tell them apart. All of them were simply beards who bellowed in crude tones and swilled beer."
01:57:29 ER: ...I realized that what I was planning meant that I didn't actually need Kit to proceed.
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02:09:18 midnightjaguar:
ER you should nag the Scribe to post much like
Syv and I nag you to post :P
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02:11:10 ER: Also it's a little akward that I gave you something to do to the east then immediately something else to do to the west. I didn't notice what I was doing because they were handled by different parts of my brain, apparently. :V
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02:16:15 ER: Tackel might not be infinite, but it's pretty big.
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03:30:17 Devastator: I think it might have actually been based on Dwarf Fortress. At least some things.
03:30:52 Devastator: "The path through here is a thin layer of stone inches above lakes of bubbling lava."
03:31:04 Devastator: And someone just used the word 'break'
04:03:59 Devastator: Elf caster specializes in AoE.
04:17:00 Piecewise_: elf that doesn't specialize in being terrible?
04:24:24 Devastator: You do know Saeko's going to be getting elf-like, right? ;-p
04:26:10 Devastator: speed, sharp senses, tall, elf ears..
04:33:17 Devastator: SIMMERING WITH RAGE
04:34:59 Piecewise_: BOILING WITH HATRED
04:35:19 Devastator: STEAMING WITH ANGER
04:36:02 ER: anger doesn't accomplish much
04:38:07 Devastator: god fucking dammit, why does it have to lag when I'm punching a guy with the top grade machine gun?
04:38:28 Piecewise_: Anger can accomplish a lot
Er
04:41:25 Piecewise_: Don't make me get the clip from starship troopers
04:42:14 ER: do what the fuck you want,
PW
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05:28:01 Devastator: Overlord dwarves are the same as all dwarves.
05:28:49 syv: Shows that they've got a damn good design. No need to change it.
05:29:34 syv: And happy Sunday to you too, Eclectic Riparian.
05:35:41 ER: yeah I'm gonna put that on refine playlist and nobody can stop me
05:37:22 ER: Also suitable for PS imo :P
05:38:17 syv: Prolly moreso, considering how PS is a bit more... unrelentingly negativistic.
05:38:35 syv: Then again, it's a bit post apoc sounding, which isn't PS.
05:39:13 ER: PS is post apoc when a MG decided to go nuclear
05:40:42 ER: ...after a little progression it's probably theoretically within Sophia's power to start a nuclear exchange
05:42:03 Devastator: PS is already post-apoc.
05:42:07 syv: Ehhh, yeah, MGs in PS are unlikely to cause an outright apocolypse without utilizing humanity's nuclear arsenal in some fashion.
05:42:07 Devastator: just most people haven't noticed yet.
05:42:27 Devastator: It's post apoc.. there's magical girls. ;-p
05:42:38 syv: The existence of MGs isn't an apocalypse. Less death is caused by them and witchs than due to cancer.
05:43:25 ER: this sounds like goblin logic to me
05:45:11 ER: But yeah, Soul Nova is capible of a localized apocalypse.
05:45:38 ER: In the same way as a WMD or natural disaster.
05:46:17 ER: wonder what duet-with-reality-ing Nuclear is likely to result in.
05:46:30 Devastator: We already had someone killing friends with radiation.
05:46:38 Devastator: How bad was that,
syv?
05:48:01 syv: PS isn't very lethal. Just extremely unhappy.
05:48:07 Devastator: ..Yeah, Radiation is a pretty good way to kill people.
05:48:40 ER: I'm a little sad that the memories from eating a seed don't propogate past a single "generation", despite the insanity that would lead to.
05:48:49 ER: or, who am I kidding, because of it.
05:49:24 Piecewise_: Make a game that is very happy but extremely lethal
05:49:39 Devastator: Kittens in a blender?
05:49:55 ER: that sounds like FMD, except that's not what FMD is like
05:50:42 ER: I'm not sure how you'd make a game that's overwhelmingly happy in the first place, really
05:51:54 syv: I physically am incapable of it. I cannot write happy things.
05:52:01 syv: I bet Dubs could do it though.
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05:55:07 syv: Hey
MJ. Wasn't expecting you tonight.
05:55:15 midnightjaguar: I’ll only be on for a bit
05:55:57 midnightjaguar: Are people interested in L4D2?
05:56:55 syv: IMO, it's just a decent online co-op game. Not special, not bad.
05:58:38 Devastator: oh,
ER, does sseth steal footage?
05:59:10 midnightjaguar: This is one of the few weekends where I’ve really got nothing going on so I thought it might be fun.
05:59:44 syv: Dunno why you're asking
ER, but yes, Sseth does.
06:00:09 midnightjaguar: Ah the old days of lambdabot
06:01:45 midnightjaguar: Anyway. I gotta go. But we should totally do it. I’ll gift it to the three of us if we do it.
06:01:57 Piecewise_: Why do you say that,
sy?
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06:02:16 Piecewise_: like, do you have examples?
06:02:42 syv: Where he also announces his Patreon...
06:02:53 ER: what bullshit are you people talking about
06:03:46 syv: Not sure about the *footage*, but I know he stole at least a couple of the stories in his Cata vid too.
06:05:07 syv: I wouldn't even be all that annoyed if he explicitly was just *retelling* the stories in his own style, that's entirely fair. Buuut he refers to them as if they're his, and in the DF vid, made a paper-thin excuse as to why all his clips are using random tilesets. "Because I want to piss people off", IIRC.
06:07:07 Piecewise_: his df video doesn't even talk about his patreon
06:07:38 syv: Maybe I'm thinking of a different person? It was something money related, thought it was Patreon.
06:08:45 Piecewise_: In the comments of the video he does say
06:08:51 Piecewise_: I couldn't record everything, so some of the background footage is sourced from several prolific DF youtubers. Check them out. They're very informative.
06:09:04 syv: That's him, I recognize the comment about wanting a video on Excel.
06:10:42 syv: Yes, and in the video he doesn't say this, or even acknowledge that any of the footage isn't his, and he *does* say that the reason there's multiple tilesets is because he wanted to irritate... some group of people, IIRC. Unsure which. Sure, you can argue he was only referring to some of the footage, but it could easily be understood to mean *all* the footage, and he makes no reference to any of it being from anyone else in the video.
06:11:12 syv: Aaaand from what I recall, he recounts all stories as being his own, though I could be conflating with the cata vid.
06:12:29 syv: ...Also, attributing authorship in the comments of a YT video is just idiotic.
06:12:49 Piecewise_: Its not in the comments
06:12:53 Piecewise_: its in the video information
06:13:18 Piecewise_: the set of info just under the video itself
06:13:21 syv: Oh. You said comments, and I only checked the first few of them. Didn't check the desc.
06:13:22 Piecewise_: not the youtube comments
06:14:56 Piecewise_: I've just watched the Cata one and he only attributes two stories to his actual actions, the one where he died quickly and one playing as an Imam. The others he actually narrates as possibilities for what "you" could do, using the generic second person.
06:15:19 syv: Okay then. My memory's flawed.
06:15:45 Piecewise_: I assume he just trawled the forums for stories and listed them as examples of waht can happen
06:19:21 Piecewise_: To the depths with me. Again.
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06:43:28 ER: someone tell me what to do as I clearly have no initiative.
06:49:29 ER: might be cruel to update twice in 24 hours though
06:52:41 syv: Could play Warframe with me.
06:52:53 syv: Right now I have nine minutes left in a survival mission, thogh.
06:56:06 Devastator: Write an update for Pumsys.
06:58:09 ER: put 20 upgrade points into powers, I don't give a fuck if it's not your class's powers
06:58:28 ER: also someone nuked this city so you're dead gg
07:02:27 ER: could do a oneshot angelic dungeon crawl.
07:03:08 ER:
er, not immediately maybe? :P
07:03:46 ER: I mean more like a side thing which has a definate ending, being one dungeon.
07:04:04 syv: Surviv trio? If my connection can handle it, which I guess I should check...
07:14:33 ER: I'm going to close my eyes. maybe see you later.
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07:19:05 syv: Hah, won a four-person fight that I entered unarmed, with the other three all having guns.
07:42:24 Devastator: punch punch punch punch.
07:42:40 Devastator: if you're still playing
syv.
07:49:09 syv: What's the difference between the flaregun and normal squad types?
07:49:25 syv: Also, no pairs matchmaking?
07:49:43 Devastator: flargun is the current special mode.
07:49:46 Devastator: normal is normal rules.
07:49:58 syv: What's special about the current special mode?
07:50:20 Devastator: desert maptype, with the desert weapons, and loads of flareguns.
07:50:30 Devastator: Also, there was a normal rules change.
07:50:34 Devastator: bandages now can heal to full.
07:57:09 Devastator: well, we conquered.
07:59:52 Devastator: I hate the special weapons.
08:02:00 Devastator: right-click to drop something.
08:02:01 syv: Leader helm is apparently even better than L3.
08:02:13 syv: I didn't realize you wanted me to.
08:02:20 syv: I barely had any shotgun ammo, anyway.
08:02:23 Devastator: I'll ask more clearly.
08:03:34 syv: My fault. Was being foolish.
08:09:32 Devastator: Damn shame, I should have murdered that guy.
08:15:47 Devastator: that's how they go.
08:21:04 Devastator: okay, I'll stop using the stupid guns. ;-p
08:24:18 Devastator: pick up that guys backpack!
08:24:47 Devastator: now boost your ass!
08:25:44 Devastator: I ran into four guys.
08:25:49 syv: I should just stick with the MAC-10 when I get it.
08:29:09 Devastator: shoulda pressed it.
08:29:23 Devastator: c, right click, move to the ammo indicator.
08:29:33 Devastator: maybe I should be a liiitle less agressive.
08:30:32 Devastator: god fucking dammit, running into a guy with a MP220 and a mk417.
08:30:56 Devastator: and a lvl 3 helmet.
08:31:39 Devastator: Yeah, I'd better quit. That was winnable.
08:31:43 Devastator: Just reacted too slowly.
08:33:39 Devastator: I had like two full seconds to start punching the guy.
08:37:45 syv: So the M1100 shotgun definitely just sucks.
08:38:23 Devastator: It's not too bad if you have shit aim, but it's no great weapon.
08:38:24 syv: I tried it a couple times because it's new for me, didn't work out. Apparently it's a semiauto 4-round breech loader, but has the worst spread and damage of any shotgun.
08:38:57 Devastator: yeah, you gotta shoot more than once.
08:40:09 syv: Yes, but the sawnoff has more burst, and is shorter so it's easier to use like a melee weapon, while the M870 has acceptable range.
08:40:27 Devastator: The sawnoff is amazing.
08:40:39 Devastator: but I'll take the new one over the M870. That's never worked for me.
08:41:15 Devastator: It's just me, never liked it.
08:41:21 Devastator: like how I'm complete shite with sniper rifles.
08:41:27 Devastator: you saw me with that Mosin, right?
08:41:39 syv: I saw you oneshot at least one guy with it.
08:41:42 Devastator: Give them to
ER, he knows how to use them.
08:41:50 Devastator: Yes. One hit, out of seven shots.
08:42:31 syv: I'm not good with any of the boltactions either.
08:42:43 syv: In an FPS, yes, but Surviv is weird.
08:42:44 Devastator: The SV-98 is almost too good, so that's acceptable.
08:42:53 Devastator: and the Garand is also super-excellent.
08:43:03 Devastator: so with those two I'm pretty good.. but they're fantastic weapons.
08:43:12 Devastator: so pretty good is worse than average.
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08:43:36 syv: The Garand is semiauto, no? All semiauto rifles are great IMO.
08:43:38 ER: I gave closing my eyes a chance
08:44:40 ER: it'll hopefully let me survive till lunch time :V
08:52:01 ER: mm,
syv what's your warframe username?
08:54:23 ER: now, what does "mastery rank up" entail?
08:55:11 syv: Mastery rank allows you to access more stuff. The actual rank up is a fairly simple test.
08:55:36 syv: I don't recall what the first was... but it should be utterly trivial.
08:55:47 ER: I was holding off on it just because it didn't say what exactly the test would be
08:56:00 syv: Have you unlocked a relay? Larunda?
08:56:22 syv: ...Ah, no, it's on Mercury.
08:56:36 syv: Well, it should be trivial enough to do on the first try.
08:56:50 syv: Assuming you know how to jump, slash, and shoot
08:57:33 syv: I mentioned the relay because there's an NPC (Cephalon Simaris) who lets you practice mastery tests.
08:59:13 ER: yeah, was just killing a bunch of robot head dudes using my bow only
08:59:28 ER: so slashing was irrelevant :P
09:46:26 syv: Is it considered stabbing if you stab people with arrows launched from a bow twenty feet away?
09:48:23 syv: Then yes, it was relevant.
09:48:27 Devastator: Although usually that's called shooting.
10:12:13 Devastator: Hmm, that's an angle.
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19:54:27 midnightjaguar: Nothing much. I’m kinda just marveling at the fact that I really don’t have anything urgent to do today. It’s a weird feeling
19:54:53 Devastator: want to play some survivor?
19:55:10 midnightjaguar: On a phone right now but gimme like 30 min and sure
19:57:03 midnightjaguar: How’re you
dev?
19:58:25 Devastator: eh, for the most part.
19:58:29 midnightjaguar: How’s your new job?
19:58:32 Devastator: the new job isn't bad, and things are going ok.
19:59:28 midnightjaguar: How is the overlord novel?
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20:00:42 Devastator: Not bad, but the quality drops down once the writer diverges from the web novel.
20:01:03 midnightjaguar: Different authors?
20:01:19 ER: okay, here comes
ER's hot new FPS game design theorycrafting
20:01:30 midnightjaguar: Shoot the things?
20:01:33 Devastator: Nah, just the author doesn't have source material.
20:01:40 Devastator: oh fuck everyone with automatic M9 macros.
20:01:51 midnightjaguar: Yeah that’s pretty scummy
20:02:15 ER: battle royale setup, every player has a knife, a personal hammerspace generator on their back, and a cloaking device and can't lose or drop those items.
20:02:42 ER: you can carry an unlimited number of items with hammerspace, but the more you carry the more visible you are.
20:03:27 midnightjaguar: I feel like all anyone would run then is a skill cannon and like 2 reloads of ammo.
20:03:32 ER: as you cram more stuff into it the hammerspace generator needs to spool up and starts to glow, making you more visible and giving other players an idea of how powerful you are by how much you're carrying
20:04:03 midnightjaguar: Can you shoot while cloaked?
20:04:09 ER: if you're carrying nothing, you're mostly invisible. If you're carrying only one or two things, you're transparent.
20:04:53 ER: all items are single use, including guns. When you pick up a gun, you can fire it until the magazine is empty and that's it, you have to toss it and draw something else
20:05:43 midnightjaguar: Can you carry duplicates?
20:05:45 ER: other items like armor take up a slot like a gun until you take them out and use them, which provides a temporary buff
20:07:03 ER: empty inventory knife ninjas are also dangerous but can be countered by using an item which gives you temporary heat vision.
20:07:24 midnightjaguar: So can you shoot while invised?
20:08:01 ER: Being invisible is just automatic from carrying very few items
20:08:14 ER: so if you have a gun and that's it, yes you can.
20:08:55 ER: but keep in mind that in that scenario you only have one magazine to work with. no reloading.
20:09:26 midnightjaguar: Invisible LMG main. Perfect :P
20:11:24 Devastator: barrels aren't cover.
20:11:45 Devastator: heh, beat a guy who had a saiga-12 in straight up combat.
20:11:49 Devastator: he decided to watch.
20:11:49 ER: they're cover for the first few shots
20:12:04 Devastator: I killed two more guys with that saiga and then ditched it, killing two guys successively who picked it up.
20:12:28 Devastator: easy finish, though. Guy with a mosin who tried to spamfire it, and a guy who picked a barrel as cover.
20:14:35 midnightjaguar: Picking an explosive barrel as cover is a video game mook logic at its finest :P
20:14:48 Devastator: well, he didn't even do that right.
20:14:52 Devastator: he was standing in front of the barrel.
20:15:45 midnightjaguar: Are you sure you weren’t fighting a bot?
20:19:05 Devastator: maaybe, but that was the very last player.
20:19:40 midnightjaguar: Heh. Well then perhaps he was simply luckier than skilled.
20:21:46 Devastator: I think the guy just backed into the barrel and the brain shut down.
20:21:48 Devastator: you know how it is.
20:23:43 ER: humans are nothing but slightly more competant AI opponants when they don't have access to chat and aren't forced to work together.
20:24:00 ER: in those cases they are far worse than AI
20:25:07 ER: My favorite multiplayer games are ones where there's no chat and I'm never expected to cooperate with strangers. :V
20:25:22 Devastator: well, yeah, you can build something that's better at playing the game than any person.
20:25:55 ER: just take a cardboard box and install 20 autoaim+ modules
20:26:36 Devastator: yup, walk around, autoheadshot everyone automatically.
20:27:36 midnightjaguar: I would be curious if a coordinated team in some game with a relatively long time to kill or something like that could kill one auto-aim not
20:27:37 ER: yeah... in most games, thinking tactically and having a good plan are not nearly as important as clicking on heads very rapidly.
20:28:01 ER: this is true of real time "strategy" games as well as fps :P
20:28:30 Devastator: Nobody's made an Allegiance bot yet.. nor would that be likely to help.
20:28:48 ER: if TTK is long enough then a group of players with good-enough aim will beat a bot with perfect aim just through volume of fire.
20:29:06 Devastator: yes.. but still lose to the group of bots.
20:29:30 midnightjaguar: Hmm. What abou something with a short TTK. Like CSGO or something
20:29:36 ER: just saying, long ttk tilts things in favor of the larger group
20:30:01 Devastator: The bots have taken over completely,
MJ.
20:30:08 ER: with long ttk the players don't *need* to be better at the game in any way so long as they outnumber the enemy
20:30:35 Devastator: Fairest games are those with low skillcaps.
20:31:21 ER: super fair, you only lose if you want to
20:31:37 Devastator: anyway,
MJ, up for survivor?
20:32:13 midnightjaguar: One sec. still going back home
20:35:36 Devastator: Oh, the books explain why the Empire and the Kingdom fight the way they do. The Empire has a professional army, and the Kingdom uses levies.
20:35:56 Devastator: So the Empire attacks with professionals during harvest season, and aims to whittle down the much larger kingdom slowly.
20:36:15 ER: empire smaller than kingdom...
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20:36:51 Devastator: It is, yeah. That kingdom is huge.
20:37:18 Devastator: They have like seven, eight cities as big as the one near the Tomb, and dozens of small cities. And a lot more territory.
20:37:28 Devastator: The capital has nine million people in it.
20:37:31 ER: and held together with string
20:37:45 Devastator: For the most part. It's just too decentralized.
20:38:01 ER: sounds like an empire itself to me...
20:38:16 Devastator: Nah, it's a kingdom. The Empire is a lot more centralized, if only half the size.
20:39:30 Devastator: The advantage in the decentralization is that even serious problems won't break it.. it'll just take out individual powerful people, but it won't destroy the whole thing.
20:41:31 Devastator: The Empire has flying cavalry with invisibility-granting gear.
20:41:35 Devastator: That's just unfair!
20:41:36 ER: ran into a weird smut scene?~
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20:46:03 Devastator: The Empire has flying cavalry with invisibility-granting gear.
20:46:42 Devastator: I gotta see if I can use View as invisibility.
20:47:02 Devastator: Got a View word in Cabal.
20:47:10 Devastator: It's been nothing but pain so far.
20:47:42 ER: that's used for illusions, which invisiblity would be
20:48:12 Devastator: Probably get a +1 on that eventually.
20:48:35 Devastator: except I just dumped 18 mana on failures just now.
20:49:00 midnightjaguar: How much do you have?
20:49:16 Devastator: 9-ish. It's all getting used about now.
20:49:26 Devastator: I'll be getting more in, but it's all getting consumed with the current mission.
20:51:43 Devastator: Yeah. I'll probably also want to buff some of the people coming with me on this rescue mission, as well as self-buffs, so...
20:52:02 Devastator: not to mention spare mana for healing or actual during mission spells.
20:53:36 Devastator: But I shouldn't need more than a few scraps if that mine connects with the underground base.
20:53:44 Devastator: instead of dozens of mana to get in.
20:56:36 ER: so I give players a choice between three ranks: Force, Instrument, and Servant. Forces have more raw power, Servants are higher ranked and more intelligent/less alien. Instrument is in between.
20:57:09 Devastator: I wouldn't call more intelligent creatures servants.
20:57:17 ER: If I make higher rank cost chargen points, will anyone play something other than Force.
20:57:54 ER: Servants are more relatable than Forces or Instruments, from the connotations those words have.
20:57:56 midnightjaguar: Does rank confer advantages? And can you increase it easily outside of that?
20:58:26 ER: You advancement, you're static angels sent on a single mission for this.
20:59:22 midnightjaguar: Almost. Found out that I do actually need to finish some stuff up. So I might be a sec. my apologies
21:00:16 ER: Forces aren't directly less intelligent or charismatic, as those are governed by Logic and Voice skills. In fact a Force could afford to put more into those skills. It would just be manifested in a much more blunt way than a Servant.
21:00:57 ER: A servant with unerring Voice has a silver tongue. A force with unerring Voice tells mortals what to do and the mortal do it.
21:04:19 ER: ...you'll also enter the mortal realm inhabiting a human vessel, and don't get to choose or know who you get beforehand
21:14:29 midnightjaguar: Hmm. So higher ranks lower the odds of blowing your disgust
21:15:00 ER: hmm, disguise wasn't really a part of this game
21:15:41 ER: the plot that I had in mind pretty much involved everyone relevant knowing what you are from the start...
21:16:33 Devastator: You probably can't hide being an angel.
21:16:58 ER: Well, a Instrument or lower certainly can't.
21:17:50 ER: The vessel likely bears marks which would distinguish it as an active vessel, but not everyone might know about those.
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22:27:03 ER: 11 angelic powers, each with at least one upgraded varient.
22:27:37 ER: A couple have four versions; the fleshhorror powers and the projectile powers.
22:54:25 ER: Hmm, the cost of being an insane murderhobo angel is that you're low ranked and thus have a boss. Sound good? :P
23:52:32 Devastator: "I mean Bad Evil, not Awesome Evil, like us."
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