06:14:45 Devastator: And how's Sir Boring?
06:15:11 ER: ah, sir boring got to sen's funhouse
06:15:59 ER: if I'm trying to make a magic system, is it better to use normal words like "energy" and "connection" or have made up terms? :V
06:16:41 Devastator: If you need to make up more than three words, use normal terms.
06:16:55 Devastator: The other is fine if you need to make up no more than three words.
06:17:38 ER: but normal terms would logically ALSO be used for things that aren't magic.
06:19:12 ER: like, um, what's the scientific term for magical energy.
06:19:23 Devastator: There isn't one, because magic doesn't exist.
06:19:52 ER: It kinda seems like if I make up physics I need to make up terms for that physics to avoid confusion with other things.
06:20:31 Devastator: Just don't make up 11 words or something like that.
06:20:33 ER: Because all the not-made-up words are already being used for things that aren't magic.
06:20:46 Devastator: 3 is an arbritrary choice, but it's defensable all the same.
06:21:53 ER: well, magic energy/potential, magic linkage, magic source, magic load.
06:22:27 Devastator: You can also use extant words with mostly-depreciated meanings, like
NJW's 'puissance.'
06:22:38 ER: That seems like the minimum if you want things like multiple people working together and trying to take power from an eldritch thingy
06:24:03 ER: kinda want things a little more nailed down than having a magic skill and people roll that to do a magic thingy and maybe everything explodes.
06:24:30 Devastator: Sounds like you want to use some terms from construction, then.
06:26:25 ER: like, trying to light a candle shouldn't summon a massive demon just because you rolled bad. Unless you're using something way too powerful to be using on a candle. Having that context is why I want to have an actual system.
06:28:34 Devastator: Maybe 'Potential' for the energy. Or 'Reservoir' for the thing that stores the energy.
06:30:58 ER: Should I make up units for these things. :P
06:31:29 ER: 3.5 megagandalfs of potential!
06:32:13 Devastator: It's still a DF based forum.
06:34:37 ER: if I say that 1 unit of potential is enough to make a kettle of water boil, will I end up with a balanced magic system hmmmmmmmmmmm
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06:35:24 midnightjaguar: Shit, sorry
dev I just realized I never replied in birdgame. I’ll do that now
06:35:48 Devastator: Boil away after it starts boiling, or heats it up to boiling?
06:35:58 Devastator: Gimmie a sec, I got the tables right here..
06:36:21 midnightjaguar: I think you can also boil based off pressure.
06:36:26 Devastator: It's okay. Still need turns from a couple of others.
06:36:43 Devastator: Pressure affects the amount of energy required, yes, and if the water already contains sufficient energy, it may change phase.
06:36:45 ER: just heat it from room temp to boiling
06:37:13 ER: guess it's not super exact, and maybe not vague enough either :P
06:39:28 Devastator: Oh, no boiling involved, that makes it simple.
06:39:33 ER: hmm, maybe electricity is magic and making up additional magic systems is superfluous ;d
06:40:29 midnightjaguar: What are you looking up
dev?
06:40:40 Devastator: Just finding my steam tables.
06:44:39 Devastator: Looks like 336.08 kj/kg
06:44:57 Devastator: assuming the teapot has 1l, that's 336kj per unit of magic.
06:45:05 midnightjaguar: Huh. So you could boil something by just running current through it?
06:45:29 Devastator: All you gotta do is add energy. It'd probably do it by heat.
06:45:48 Devastator: ..that's how electric boilers work, anyway.
06:45:52 Devastator: and electric kettles.
06:46:00 ER: that sounds like a pretty big number for magic energy. hmm.
06:46:17 Devastator: It's not a lot of power.
06:46:23 Devastator: It's not nothing, but it's not a lot.
06:46:35 Devastator: about two-thirds of a hamburger.
06:47:58 ER: two thirds of a hamburger? one of the sources would be your own body, so a mage must need to eat a lot. :P
06:48:27 ER: unless there's additional weirdness than just literally using chemical energy from your body, I guess.
06:49:12 Devastator: Well, in reality you'd have efficiency losses.
06:49:21 ER: hum, actually figuring out how shit works is hard, unscientific magic systems are easier. :v
06:49:29 Devastator: if you assume you get a third out of it, that would be okay.
06:49:33 Devastator: so two hamburgers per unit.
06:51:05 ER: ...well, it's in ocean world, and the magic type that's linked to your living body is also a network of tinkering biomagic which is the origin of life on all the islands.
06:51:52 ER: So in a way it's drawing on that network through your body rather than literally converting food to magic
06:52:22 ER: Oooor drawing on the existing field of green potential attached to your body?
06:53:09 midnightjaguar: Nothing much
dev. Got done with a very shitty semester.
06:53:44 ER: Which I guess you could eventually deplete, either making you a drain on every living thing around you as the green equalizes, or just need you to eat a lot as you recover the field.
06:53:54 midnightjaguar: But I’m back home now so mostly I’m just recovering and hanging out with my brothers
06:56:55 Devastator: well,
PW started a god game.
06:57:02 midnightjaguar: Yeah. But next semester should be better if I can figure out my living situation for next semester. Which is currently a touch up in the air to say the least.
06:57:12 midnightjaguar: What kinda god game?
06:58:02 midnightjaguar: Sounds entertaining
06:58:59 Devastator: Also, apparently someone else likes my idea of releasing an all-consuming elder god into someone else's demiplane, just to add that special 'fuck you' to the invasion. ;-p
06:59:26 midnightjaguar: Ah the Maurice gambit. I like it
07:00:53 Devastator: basically it went "Fine. You have prisoners I want back, and you really hate my guts. If you give me a way to get to your prison, I'll come myself to bust them out, and you get a free shot at me. And then doing just that, but sending in the Elder God to trigger whatever trap there is first."
07:01:25 Devastator: I do hope the enemy hasn't learned the first rule of traps like this. Never bait them with genuine bait.
07:01:49 midnightjaguar: It’s a
PW game. I give it 50/50 odds
07:03:18 midnightjaguar: I thought dubs was running it
07:03:48 Devastator: If dubs was running this game, it would be less interesting, probably.
07:03:56 Devastator: dubs is running a
PW-style anything goes god game.
07:04:32 midnightjaguar: Ah. So two different god games
07:05:08 Devastator: The other one isn't a god game.
07:05:19 ER: sydney isn't a god, though we try
07:05:23 Devastator: It's just finding an imprisoned god while fighting another god, and using them against each other.
07:05:29 Devastator: Well, the other sydney is a god, really.
07:05:35 Devastator: we just haven't seen her for a while.
07:06:04 ER: by other sydney do you mean alexia?
07:18:33 Devastator: Hasn't been too much news. Going to have to discuss business with
RC in Cabal.
07:32:29 ER: there's a shop by the entrace to the level, spring shoes and climbing gloves, which is great. I buy both. Go through the rest of the level, and I pick up spring boots from crates TWICE
07:33:48 Devastator: I had a game where I found three parachutes in a row to start with.
07:34:18 ER: well that's okay because parachutes are awful :P
07:36:22 Devastator: I was hoping for 'not parachute.'
07:42:59 midnightjaguar: Oh
ER I finnaly managed to get onto the throne in nuclear throne
07:43:22 midnightjaguar: Apparently when you play as melting exclusively and then play literally anything else the game gets way easier.
07:45:45 Devastator: Also, apparently
syv's interested in playing a bit more Alleg at some point.
08:03:41 midnightjaguar: Hmm, I might be around to play some at some point?
08:04:09 midnightjaguar: Which is possibly tje most non commitsl response I’ve ever made. :P
08:05:42 Devastator:
syv's also burnt out on Pumsy's, which is disappointing considering we're facing a wipe.
08:12:43 Devastator: It's a great game, but I think he's stuck because he knows we enjoy it and he's busy understimating his own writing skill.
08:12:56 Devastator: At least he should have a few weeks, as the other players are taking breaks now.
08:13:36 ER: it's been a while, and we're sooooo close to wrapping it up
08:13:40 Devastator: Also, is
ER more annoying by asking for Sophia updates, or am I more annoying by wanting to make a werewolf. ;-p
08:14:00 midnightjaguar: A break every now and then does wonders for burn out. As does slamming the gas pedal and watching as the tires squeal :P
08:14:05 ER: well one thing is possible and the other isn't ;P
08:17:40 Devastator: What's taking so long, anyway? I thought Sophia was going to die.
08:18:06 midnightjaguar: It’s a slow death of natural causes apparently :P
08:21:21 Devastator: except MGs can't die from natural causes.
08:21:33 Devastator: they don't eat, nor do they age, or suffer from exposure.
08:22:04 ER: you'll suffer if you don't have immaculate soul
08:22:24 ER: you'll still drown, partially because you think you will
08:24:47 Devastator: Nah,
syv said that you need immaculate to not drown, no matter how little you think you have to, unless you're in the form of something that doesn't breathe.
08:25:40 Devastator: He did say that my character can now hold her breath a bit longer than she used to be able to, but not inhumaly long.
08:26:11 midnightjaguar: What if you unconscious when your immereisd in water? Therefore you don’t think you need to breathe.
08:26:20 midnightjaguar: Or at least consciously do it
08:26:54 ER: well, you'll survive either way
08:30:43 Devastator: Yeah, seems likely.
08:30:51 Devastator: although
syv isn't here to answer.
08:35:54 Devastator: I'm also assuming it costs less to resurrect a dead body than to create one from scratch with regeneration.
08:47:31 midnightjaguar: I would make sense
08:47:49 midnightjaguar: Mostly just matinence costs I guess :P
08:49:21 ER: Wonder how much trauma something like drowning costs. Because all your bits are still *there*, and in generally the right places.
08:49:59 Devastator: I think technically it's all lethal damage, but yeah.
08:52:11 Devastator: KM made a pumsy's post, which is a bit sad since he's the character in the toughest situation with the least ability to change it of everyone right now.
08:54:25 ER: might be best off just making an action to scream in agony. >.>
08:55:36 ER: tooru is unlikely to accomplish anything other than that right now, so it's the only action with any chance of success.
08:56:56 Devastator: That's mostly what my advice is.
08:59:05 ER: huh, forums on maintenence mode.
09:06:05 midnightjaguar: Well
dev I will PM you my turn once the forums stop being on Maintenence mode
09:06:38 Devastator: well, I'll take down the gist of it if you're ready. Or you can send them to me on IRC.
09:06:59 Devastator: Hmm.. seems up to me.
09:07:10 Devastator: need me to copy out the last turn again or something?
09:07:19 midnightjaguar: Hmm. Actually it’s up for me as well
09:11:00 Devastator: Go there, look at them, report back, and then return to them to keep tracking?
09:34:48 Devastator: I think I'm just waiting on
ER now.
09:36:05 Devastator: Yeah. Orders from
MJ,
Syv, and
PW.
09:36:18 Devastator: Can probably update Thurs or Fri.
09:37:57 midnightjaguar: Yay! I’m not the limiting factor for once :P
09:38:48 Devastator:
PW is kinda wussing out, but it's certainly a reasonable move.
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21:08:03 Radio_Controlled: Good evening you cornflakes with brandy breakfasts.
21:26:42 Devastator: Mostly just want to get things going, so we can get some orders the next update.
21:27:56 Radio_Controlled: Just posted an action.
21:28:32 Devastator: want a response back in thread?
21:28:34 Radio_Controlled: Thought we could start of by looking through the books we bought to see if we can learn anything.
21:28:40 Radio_Controlled: Yeah, that'd be nice.
21:29:01 Radio_Controlled: You don't need to type upa whole account of the encounter, by the way.
21:29:04 Devastator: Ok, looks like no business this turn. No problem. I'll include the other stuff I was going to do.
21:29:12 Devastator: Yeah, was just going to go with 'describe the bugmen.'
21:29:19 Devastator: I will mention the fog and night, though.
21:29:33 Radio_Controlled: Just [tell what happened] is probably enough already.
21:31:18 Devastator: eh, I need something so I can introduce the question of 'are you mages?'
21:32:41 Devastator: gives him search terms to find the encounter again if he wants to reread it.
21:33:56 Radio_Controlled: Hmm. If we find no matching description at all of the bugmen I think that (lightly) points in the direction of them being some sort of spell or outright wizard creation.
21:39:47 Radio_Controlled: Lemme take a look.
21:41:18 Devastator: got a couple of new ideas for services, too. Instead of enchanting someone with +str, enchant say, a ring.
21:41:59 Devastator: can probably only do that with strength and not other stats, though.
21:47:34 Radio_Controlled: Not sure what is needed to create enchanted items like that.
21:47:45 Radio_Controlled: Might need some sort of special material for the ring itself?
21:48:33 Devastator: Maybe. I haven't tried that yet, so won't offer it.
21:53:00 Radio_Controlled: Looking at dig right now, a moment please.
21:55:59 Devastator: nice post in 888th.
21:57:14 Devastator: you're also quite right.
21:57:22 Radio_Controlled: Still though, I specifically got into a tree because I suspected something like that would happen, and it did!
21:59:02 Radio_Controlled: Looking through the charsheets of my players in preparation of the next session of the wizard race.
21:59:14 Radio_Controlled: Man, they really are a motley collection.
21:59:18 Devastator: Which ones did you draw, anyway?
21:59:26 Devastator: (to be fair, so are the other racers.)
22:00:34 Radio_Controlled: They are, in part thanks to the help of you guys!
22:01:19 Radio_Controlled: Only had time for 2 locations last time: "space world" and "tube world" as one player put it.
22:01:38 Devastator: the gun barrel or Egan's tube?
22:01:49 Devastator: and is space world the zero-g one?
22:02:17 Radio_Controlled: They outraced butcher icebone, djinn dude, spider colony pod racer and shotgunwizard.
22:02:36 Radio_Controlled: Yeah, zero g one. And it was egan's tube.
22:02:53 Devastator: So none of the fast ones. Dang. ;-p
22:03:01 Devastator: Oh, B.I. is from Rock and Roll Racing.
22:03:43 Radio_Controlled: Oh, still 6 locations left, there'll be time aplenty to be outrun by Thag and his kitten.
22:05:37 Radio_Controlled: I think so, yeah. Next session is gonna be with 7 players though...
22:05:52 Devastator: they gonna outnumber the other racers?
22:05:58 Devastator: or just 7 is TOO MANY?
22:06:04 Radio_Controlled: And it's the entertainment for a christmas party so things might get even more chaotic than they usually are.
22:06:33 Radio_Controlled: Yeah, 7 is ridiculous.
22:07:14 Radio_Controlled: I'll have to be mindful to ensure all of the players get a chance to shine from time to time.
22:07:36 Devastator: well, let me know if you want another racer or two for the pool.
22:09:53 Radio_Controlled: To the google doc you mean?
22:10:14 Radio_Controlled: Lemme look for a sec.
22:10:44 Devastator: Yeah, I don't have it on me.
22:12:09 Devastator: There we go, that's the guy I was looking for.
22:13:04 Devastator: I might change that to something pronounceable.
22:13:35 Devastator: Hmm, guy has a ground-effect vehicle, basically.
22:14:48 Radio_Controlled: Note that not all of them made the final cut.
22:15:58 Devastator: That guy. Of course, that game is only a pain due to heavy rubberbanding, but I'd highly doubt anyone would recognize him.
22:16:06 Devastator: Mostly for the spinning disk weapon.
22:16:31 Radio_Controlled: Yeah, too obscure for this crowd I imagine.
22:18:17 Devastator: That game is a pain.
22:18:19 Devastator: no other word for it.
22:18:32 Devastator: Okay, wrote him up.
22:21:00 Radio_Controlled: Gonna have to find an excuse to reintroduce the other 3 players into the race.
22:21:42 Devastator: that bang bang bong sound you hear sometimes is Foxwharmpit firing off his disks and missing.
22:21:52 Devastator: bounce bounce bounce.
22:23:01 Devastator: Anyway, I gotta go pretty quick.
22:23:03 Devastator: any response to Saeko?
22:23:46 Radio_Controlled: Ah, sorry, I'll type that up first.
22:37:36 Radio_Controlled: K. Gonna work some more on the prep for racers, gonna try to get back to you when I can
22:39:39 Devastator: heading off in about five. I'll do another response when I get back, then.
22:41:47 Radio_Controlled: Ok, see ya around.
22:42:55 Devastator: Thanks for coming by.
22:43:54 Radio_Controlled: Sorry for being so unresponsive in general these days.
22:44:00 Radio_Controlled: Very busy days.
22:49:00 Radio_Controlled: Good, he's also been busy. Have had less contact since I moved but we're getting together with some other old friends for new years so that's promising.
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