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04:14:52 Devastator: hope that wasn't so long ago.
04:18:03 Devastator: I don't have them turned on.
04:18:26 Devastator: about an hour and
a half ago.
04:30:35 Devastator: big zombies hit hard.
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04:59:29 MidJag: I'm going. I'm on thanksgiving break, so I'm mostly using that to relax and do an archaeology project. Gotta go and analyze
a graveyard for like how it's special and what you can learn about the people buried there.
05:00:21 Devastator: I might write
a letter next week.
05:00:31 MidJag: Like an acutal paper letter?
05:03:48 MidJag: Cool. It's been quite
a while since I've written one of those
05:05:19 Devastator: Want to protest the vancouver city council's decision to ban single-use plastic straws.
05:07:10 Devastator: If they want to reduce plastic debris in the ocean, they should target something that'll actually make
a difference.
05:09:09 MidJag: Yeah. I gotta agree with that.
05:09:49 Devastator: I don't like politics where people go for popular movements instead of factual movements. You should do stuff that works.
05:10:37 Devastator: (Taxing ABS plastics, though, would probably catch flack from lots of people. It'd work, though..)
05:10:58 MidJag: I forget, what are ABSs?
05:11:15 Devastator: They're in about everything these days.
05:11:34 Devastator: Most anything that's fairly hard.
05:12:34 Devastator: Also very popular with the 3-d printing crowd..
05:13:06 Devastator: It's what Legos are made out of.
05:21:16 Devastator: So how's the grave-digging?
05:26:55 MidJag: It's intresting, you just wander around a grave yard and a take a hell of
a lot of pictures of gravestones. Then you go and see like if you can figure out what the life expentancy was. Or like what sort of religon did people value, stuff like that.
05:27:25 Devastator: Aww, so no grave goods?
05:29:07 MidJag: Nah, no actual digging for this project.
05:30:03 Devastator wonders what someone would make of what got buried with his father.
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06:17:03 syv: Make both my hands hateful foes who I am
a tool to
06:17:30 Devastator: I PMed
PW, so send it to him.
06:18:49 Devastator: slightly disappointed that it isn't some kinda increasing burden, but so it goes.
06:19:56 syv: Please. Are mere handicaps which increase over time my style?
06:20:24 Devastator: Do you have
a style?
06:20:38 syv: Many. And that's not one of them.
06:21:37 syv:
Dev promised me that his next wish in CULT would be something of my choice.
06:22:03 syv: Wishes can be anything, but must be fifty characters or less, because God uses Twitter or something.
06:22:12 Devastator: Also that it would happen at this night.
06:22:21 syv: So the hands thing is
a fifty-character wish that
Dev's character will be force to make.
06:22:27 Devastator: If you can come up with something that'd be nice.
06:23:00 syv: Five row QWERTY keyboard, at that.
06:27:10 Devastator: and it didn't help..
06:28:43 syv: Having tinier buttons will not help one's typing, no. I use it because I like having ctrl, alt, arrows, and all the numbers available without extra keypresses.
06:29:59 MidJag: Having smaller buttons that are easier to mistype sounds more like my idea of hell.
06:30:43 Devastator: good thing CULT is in the age before typing.
06:31:04 syv: Programming is something else that sounds like hell for you, but it's
a fun hobby of mine~
06:31:08 Devastator: Also found out in Cabal that natural armour stacks with real armour. Like you might have an additional die size to your actual armour if you have natural armour as well.
06:31:20 Devastator: Not only that, special-use armour is
a straight plus.
06:31:29 Devastator: you get it in addition to regular armour.
06:31:31 syv: Hell. I've written Python programs on my phone, with the tiny little QWERTY buttons.
06:32:08 syv: Is it still
a die,
Dev? Like 1d8+1d6? Or "straight plus" as in 1d8+3?
06:32:57 Devastator: Yes, it's still
a die.
06:33:20 Devastator: but it'll be your Endurance + your armour + the other armour.
06:34:28 syv: Eh? Endurance? So you could theoretically have 1d12+5+1d12+1d12?
06:34:41 syv: I guess Telcal is just invulnerable then.
06:35:12 Devastator: Sort of. The end also reduces damage, if not quite in that way.
06:35:32 syv: Thought end just determined how heavy your armor could be.
06:35:54 Devastator: That too. It does determine how bad wounds are, though.
06:36:35 syv: Makes me want to work on the CQB system's wound/morale system again.
06:37:16 Devastator: Yeah. Can't keep you from getting hurt, but can mean you take less damage.
06:37:22 Devastator: And yeah, Telcal is supposed to be invulnerable.
06:39:18 Devastator: If I kill him, it'll be due to cutting out his power sources first.
06:40:29 syv: Ah. Yeah,
PW probably intended us to go find a ancient hivemind of druids buried underground, and start
a rebellion with it as our leader, before promoting it to godhood so it could delete Telcal itself.
06:41:01 Devastator: Nah, I don't think he thought about it much.
06:41:21 syv: Good thing the game fragmented before that plot happened. If it had, you'd have been locked in someone's basement while the nation was deleted, after someone accidentally Cthulhu into the fabric of magic.
06:42:14 MidJag: ....Wait. that's just
ER
06:42:23 syv:
A lot of things really do, yet none are available to you.
06:42:40 syv: Hahaha, yeah, that's the joke.
06:43:13 Devastator: I think someone would have severe difficulty locking up Saeko..
06:43:23 Devastator: she does have magic, after all.
06:43:40 syv: "CHANNELER POWERS ACTIVATE!"
06:43:51 syv: Channeler was the punchy drainy class, right?
06:44:00 MidJag:
Dev I have to ask this. if you were playing
a DnD class what would you be?
06:44:11 Devastator: Depends on the game.
06:45:20 MidJag: Hmm, as in edition or setting
Dev?
06:46:28 syv: 5e stupid homebrew with idiotic self-destructive factions.
06:46:32 Devastator: Generally the only thing I won't play is
a spontaneous caster.
06:47:47 MidJag: I'm legitmetally curious about
syv's suggestion now
06:48:35 MidJag: That's my question to
dev
06:48:43 MidJag: "5e stupid homebrew with idiotic self-destructive factions."
06:49:04 Devastator: I don't even know what 5e homebrew would be.
06:49:31 Devastator: Probably better than 4e, though, that was the shitty one.
06:50:11 syv: 5th edition, vanilla since it's too new to not be vanilla, with a stupid homevrew made by some incompetent GM where he's got
a bunch of idiotic self-destructive factions because he's bad at writing.
06:50:36 syv: 5e is like 4e except with more of
a boner for 3e's caster classes, to my understanding.
06:50:59 syv: And removal of the MMO shit, which I guess was like half of 4e.
06:51:19 Devastator: 4e was half 'Make everyone the same, so no balance issues' and half 'lets make it like
a MMO.'
06:51:57 syv: Oh. Well then I guess it's just 3e, but with
a bigger caster boner, then.
06:52:15 Devastator: 'Bigger caster boner than 3e' Heh.
06:52:19 Devastator: not really possible.
06:52:25 MidJag: I would say it's
a much smaller caster boner than 3e.
06:52:41 Devastator: well, admittedly there's 3.5
06:52:46 Devastator: which had
a bigger caster boner.
06:53:10 Devastator: Probably some kinda tank-type with some battlefield control stuff.
06:53:24 Devastator: "You can't kill yourself because you're unconscious."
06:53:34 syv: From what I've read, casters still trivialize all other classes, except now they get
a bunch of freebie spells which are deliberately overpowered in addition to the standard selection of accidentally overpowered spells, and can cast spells to replicate any effect of any other class.
06:54:25 syv: So not only are casters better than fighters, casters are better fighters than fighters. Which I don't recall happening even in 3.5e.
06:54:27 Devastator: That's still less of
a caster boner than 3e or 3.5e.
06:54:40 Devastator: No, casters were better fighters than fighters in 3.5e.
06:54:58 syv: Well, clerics and druids were. But wizards?
06:55:21 Devastator: If you built them right and were beyond level 5, probably.
06:55:27 syv: IIRC wizards had to wizard to trivialize other classes.
06:56:04 MidJag: I dunno. I'm playing
a 5e campagain and I wouldn't say that my wizard trivilazes everyone.
06:56:39 Devastator: maybe I should play that D&D Roguelike again.
06:56:40 MidJag: Okay, he did almost single handidly kill the entire party.
06:57:00 syv: Didn't you tell me awhile ago that your wizard wiped the entire rest of the party solo when you missed
a session and the DM NPC'd him?
06:57:30 syv: "My character doesn't trivilize the rest of the party! I mean, he *could*, but he doesn't!"
06:57:37 Devastator: The other players might just suck,
syv.
06:57:37 MidJag: The way I play him means he doesn't trivialize the entire party :P
06:58:10 Devastator: I did once see
a party TPK because of boat-related issues.
06:58:30 syv: Protip: Don't let Groo the Wanderer onboard your boat.
06:58:38 Devastator: It was like that, essentially.
06:58:39 MidJag: Eh. Everyones played for at least
a year.
06:58:46 Devastator: That doesn't mean they're good.
06:58:51 MidJag: I must hear this story
dev
06:59:24 Devastator: Well, they were trying to sneak aboard
a smugglers vessel, after killing their buddies on land.
06:59:33 MidJag: I can't argue with that, but I don't have
a way of proving or disproving it.
06:59:41 Devastator: so they had someone pass the signal on to the smuggler's ship, while they rowed out to board it.
07:00:27 Devastator: They got aboard, but then had issues when half of them looted the cabin they boarded while someone else pushed some random dude off the deck and into the water. That dude was right next to the captain.
07:00:40 syv: Michael Jackson, I recall you sending me a splatbook of a prestige class one of your teammates was taking, where the class was basically 'I AM A TIMELORD, SO I'M AWESOME", and was really just "
A wizard, but better because wizards aren't TIMELORDS". How long did that guy last?
07:01:10 Devastator:
A guy got ganked by the wizard in the cabin next to the one they boarded, the guy who pushed the other guy off got flanked and hit from three ways, and the other three guys stumbled onto the middle of the ship and swarmed.
07:02:08 Devastator: After
a hard fight, in which one person got wizard ganked, one person got shoved off the edge, one person fell down from the rigging, and one person just murdered by pirates, there were two survivors left.
07:02:33 Devastator: One of them decided to go back to the rowboat and row home, while the other one tried to get the ship under control solo, ran it aground, and died.
07:02:55 Devastator: The guy in the rowboat ran into the smuggler rowboat on the way back, and got shot, due to having no ranged weapons.
07:02:56 syv: And then the rowboat was eaten by
a whale, I presume?
07:03:17 MidJag: He was one of the first to go down. He was actually the only one on slans team but got insta downed by either the rouge or the paladin I can't remember which..
07:04:39 syv: So we know the munchkin at least sucks.
07:05:35 Devastator: They then built a new party around the one living character at the time, who was a cleric with no stat above about 12. Who survived an earlier encounter by killing two guys with his helmet in
a blaze of glory.
07:06:14 Devastator: I think that cleric ended up being the longest-lived character of anyone that GM ever ran
a game for, making it to level 7.
07:06:22 syv: How had he survived the smugglers? Was off getting drunk at the time?
07:06:31 MidJag: That wasn't the munchkin. Our munckhin is our rouge weirdlly enough.
07:06:37 Devastator: He was with another party that got ambushed by orcs or bandits or something.
07:06:39 Devastator: I think it was bandits.
07:06:54 Devastator: the rest of the party died or legged it, and eventually died elsewhere, but cleric-man just lived.
07:07:39 syv: If a person is playing a freaking TIMELORD whose most notable trait is being mechanically a strict improvement over wizards, they're a munchkin. Might not be a competent one, but they're
a munchkin all the same.
07:07:56 MidJag: Fair point. also TIMELORD is
a homebrew.
07:07:57 syv: So this campaign has
a lot of TPKs.
07:07:59 Devastator: What if it's an improvement only in the mind of the player?
07:08:10 MidJag: not his homebrew but it's an online homebrew
07:08:19 Devastator: Yeah, it kinda did. That's AD&D for you.
07:08:21 syv: I read over it myself,
Dev. The class was just
a wizard but better.
07:08:34 Devastator: The GM did eventually stop making people roll for their first hit die.
07:10:17 syv: IIRC the only penalties were a lack of familiar, and some minor capstone stuff which was more flavorful than functional. And it got a boatload of large bonuses, including a bunch of ridiculously OP spells, a bunch of cleric-only spells (yay, heals from the wizard), and stuff that would make the TIMELORD
a better fighter than fighters, except 100% of the time even in antimagic areas.
07:11:13 Devastator: sounds like intentionally OP homebrew is intentionally OP.
07:11:15 MidJag: Some of that was nerfed
a bit in the game
07:11:20 Devastator: I should find that GM again and invite him to bay12.
07:11:45 Devastator: Completely nuts, but cool.
07:12:01 syv: I'm kinda amazed he got knocked out so quick. Even if he was a fool and took NO defenesive spells (which the TIMELORD got plenty of), I'm pretty sure he got
a boost to HP over wizards too.
07:12:16 Devastator: He was the guy who ran the vision quest thing I'v elinked before.
07:12:22 MidJag: I think Slans stat's make up for it
07:12:43 syv: Is that the thing with the spritework, and the ninja, and the Lufia II sprites?
07:12:43 Devastator: aight. I'll have to find him.
07:12:52 Devastator: Yes, Jamski the ninja.
07:12:56 MidJag: The TIMELORD doesn't have great stats IIRC.
07:13:00 Devastator: I'm also pretty sure I got the boat thing wrong.
07:14:14 Devastator: Also, although you don't know this, the character I was running when I sorta drifted away was
a pirate with an evil hand of evilness.
07:14:20 Devastator: well, arm of evilness.
07:14:40 Devastator: I'd touched an evil altar in
a cave that was making monsters into elite monsters.
07:15:19 Devastator: Hey, it paid off. It just looked evil, gave me +1 strength, and I took some damage. GM said I rolled well.
07:15:56 Devastator: At the time I suggested stealing it, putting it on a boat, getting some birds and making
a pirate aircraft carrier. ;-p
07:17:25 MidJag: neat. in the 5e game I play in campagain I play a halfcrazy 300 year old gnome wizard who has run
a criminal empire, been an 20th level necromancer wizard and got really really high and forgot enough he got knocked back to 2nd level.
07:19:09 Devastator: "What's the relation between <Insert state here> and The Pirate Isles?"
07:19:30 MidJag: I still need to clear what exactlly transipired during said level 20 wizard and criminal empire. But we have agreed on those bare bones.
07:21:40 Devastator: anyway, want to watch
a D&D roguelike where I struggle horribly to remember the controls?
07:23:05 syv: Uhh. What roguelike is it?
07:23:29 Devastator:
A crashy, incomplete one called 'Incursion.'
07:23:32 syv: And will the stream be
a super low quality one?
07:23:48 Devastator: Don't expect that, it's
a roguelike.
07:23:52 Devastator: no framerate issues.
07:24:07 syv: I mean data rate. Cellular.
07:24:20 Devastator: I'll cut that then. Probably quite low.
07:26:04 Devastator: okay, 10 FPS, bitrate capped at 150 kb/s
07:26:16 syv: Awesome. I'll watch for
a bit, then.
07:26:41 Devastator: gotta set up the mike.
07:28:42 Devastator: Incursion is not
a stable program.
07:31:34 Devastator: It is working, right?
07:32:10 Devastator: so what kinda character would you like to see?
07:32:29 MidJag: Lizardfolk. Never actually seen someone play one
07:35:11 syv: Opening up comp, don't want to run a stream on
a dinky phone screen.
07:38:03 Devastator: Okay, you have the squid god of the deep, the god of setting everything on fire, the sexy goddess of the dead, the god of jocularity, and the god of !!Science!!
07:38:24 MidJag: Is this even
a quesition? !!Science!!
07:45:43 syv: Kaaaay, I think it's open, but it doesn't seem to be working for questionable reasons.
07:46:13 syv: ...Which seem to be related to my tether no longer working reliably for some reason.
07:46:15 MidJag: Your a paladin, might as well be
a knight in shining armor
07:46:46 MidJag: See, I'm not crazy for prononcing it that way :P
07:47:09 MidJag: Heh, can our paladin, read at 6 int?
07:50:06 syv: At hilariously low quality.
07:50:31 MidJag: I feel at
a certain point all ASCII become the matrix
07:54:52 syv: "I don't see the code anymore... I just see dwarves, and fire, and demons."
07:55:27 syv: Either my tether or my phone are working too poorly to run
a 160p stream, so no watching for me.
07:55:43 MidJag: It's even better than the lady in the red dress
07:56:35 MidJag: Those are like fallen angel dudes I think
07:59:17 MidJag: Asimars are what happens when
a human gets busy with an angel
08:00:23 syv: They're the more preachy and less fun counterpart to tieflings.
08:01:58 MidJag: You konw it would make
a lot more sense for most dragonborn and teiflings to be sorcerers
08:02:14 MidJag: or at least have the potential to be
08:07:24 MidJag: Alright
dev. I'm going to bed.
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09:28:25 Devastator: "Why does Teleport even have an animation in this game?"
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20:15:18 ER: Drop Devils: A game where you play as a mercenary living on an orbital platform above
a reletively less technologially advanced planet. You drop down in your mech to settle puny little medivial conflicts in exchange for loads and loads of gold or other commodities.
20:16:43 ER: Maybe would work better as
a story.
20:34:38 Devastator: posted in CULT, btw.
20:52:53 Devastator: I see
RC discovered the Triforce in Cabal.
21:15:21 Devastator: Also might have blown my head up in Cabal, but that was good.
21:55:42 ER: oh, would you like to watch some teleglitch?
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