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02:29:51 er: It spent a long while on 0% when I turned it on.
02:30:30 er: Dammit windows, why couldn't you have worked on this when I shut you down?
02:55:29 er: Why does reddit even have a mobile site if it's going to ruin it with giant popups to use their app every time I open a new page.
02:56:14 er: Of course I don't want a separate program, reddit, that's what internet browsers are for.
02:58:57 er:
er is an old man yelling at clouds
03:10:44 Devastator: Good old patch tuesday.
03:11:45 Devastator: Oh, back to work tomorrow.
03:12:00 Devastator: Should be able to manage an update Wed, but got to work and do horses at the same time.
03:15:03 er: It rebooted and is now 30%!
03:16:10 er: Maybe they design things to auto update on boot so that people have an excuse to slack off at work.
03:16:57 Devastator: Nah, they've got a legit reason for that.
03:17:02 Devastator: everything updates like that.
03:18:57 Devastator: Rough day for Trump.
03:19:07 Devastator: someone asked him a question, revealing that he doesn't know how Congress works.
03:20:59 er: Should have paid more attention in civics class, eh mr president?
03:21:34 Devastator: I think he genuinely doesn't know, which is astounding.
03:22:52 Devastator: Just dropped the torch crate in water.
03:24:03 er: It's made worse because I usually get dark levels in the jungle.
03:24:21 Devastator: well, you only get torches on the dark ones.
03:24:39 er: Need to know that water ends your light, and act accordingly.
03:26:05 Devastator: died next level to frogs.
03:26:19 Devastator: Could stream Tales of Phantasia, for comparison's sake. ;-p
03:30:08 er: Don't feel like seeing what twitch looks like on mobile.
03:35:34 er: Enough to kill Olmec fairly reliably.
03:36:32 er: Hope you have climbing gloves / jetpack / plenty of ropes, though. :p
03:42:31 Devastator: does pleasing Kali do anything?
03:42:38 Devastator: Fed the altar a caveman or two.
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03:45:02 Elastic_Ridicule: alright
er, you've served your purpose.
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03:45:33 Devastator: anything I'd notice?
03:45:54 Devastator: Fired faster than one of Trump's appointees. I do like how he hates all these people after literally being the one to choose them.
03:46:19 ER: sacrificing just gets you points, any humanoid (cavemen, yetis, shopkeepers, killer plants) works.
03:46:47 Devastator: How do you deal with Yetis?
03:46:50 Devastator: they seem immune to whips.
03:47:05 ER: you get the most points from damsels, and everything is worth more if you toss them on the alter KOed rather than dead.
03:47:20 Devastator: oh. You get points for the dead?
03:47:20 ER: Yetis ain't immune to headstomps.
03:48:17 ER: And at a certain number of points you get a random item, and more points than that get you the Kapala, which you can onlt get from Kali.
03:49:17 ER: You know the little blood particles that fly from enemies?
03:49:42 ER: You absorb them when you touch them, and once you have enough you get another heart.
03:50:02 ER: And you can repeat that as many times as you want, so long as you have blood.
03:50:38 ER: Pretty sure you get the thing for sacrificing two damsels, and it'll certainly make up for two lost hearts, at least.
03:50:56 Devastator: Yeah. I might have to do that, then.
03:50:58 ER: I've also gotten it from loads of yetis.
03:51:40 ER: Careful with the yetis though, if they toss you against the wall you can get stunlocked till you die.
03:51:56 Devastator: or if you take fall damage anywhere near enemies.
03:53:01 ER: Eh, fall damage + bats doesn't actually stunlock you.
03:53:25 ER: Just usually kills you before you get up because they can hit you while stunned.
03:53:42 ER: Yetis can kill you no matter how much health you have.
03:54:24 ER: Then again, so can bombs, shotguns, spikes, bomb frogs, plants, falling off the level, and lava~
03:55:23 ER: Bombs technically aren't a sure thing, but they deal 10 damage each frame you're in contact, and last for 10 frames.
03:55:44 ER: So they can theoretically kill you at 99 HP.
03:56:18 ER: Not that you'll get to 99 playing normally, but hey did you know this game has a level editor? :3
03:57:16 ER: The levels are just txt files too, and you can have them link to each other.
04:01:15 Devastator: oh, I got an ordinary giant spider kill.
04:01:53 Devastator: I think it was six hits.
04:03:28 ER: oh yeah, update stuck a shortcut to microsoft edge on my desktop :P
04:08:12 Devastator: Didn't they lose a lawsuit over that?
04:10:23 ER: either I forgot that, or I never found out about it
04:18:13 ER: was talking about something else, not microsoft
04:18:47 ER: playing splulunky now, but I have 1 HP and am on the ice stage with 1 rope, so stay tuned!
04:19:26 ER: that was dumb, should have just put down the machete and done a flip hang
04:20:39 ER: Though I doubt it's as entertaining as ToB
04:22:04 Devastator: It probably isn't. But might as well show the fighting.
04:22:07 Devastator: one fighter, three mages.
04:22:29 ER: because mages are the superior class in every way~
04:24:02 Devastator: Well, it makes sense.
04:24:05 Devastator: anyway, stream's up.
04:25:04 ER: hit things with your damn sword!
04:38:04 ER: i expect lost wandering any time that I tune into you,
Dev <3
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04:43:26 ER: "she's actually pretty tanky" he says
04:45:36 midnightjaguar: What game is this?
04:47:32 ER: are you stabbing the enemy with an axe because it doesn't do any damage anyway? :P
04:49:46 ER: (This does not really resemble ToB aside from item names and being a JRPG)
04:50:29 ER: Not that I've even started ToB despite putting hours into it. :P
04:50:36 ER: Still have only one character.
04:51:20 ER: Did have a friendly NPC for a while but no control over her.
04:52:49 ER: The combat system is something complicated with attack moves being called "artes", and I set up four move combos for each of the four face buttons.
04:53:01 midnightjaguar: This looks confusing
04:53:09 ER: And I have a soul gauge which limits how many moves I can do in a combo.
04:54:50 ER: So far seems like nothing that's exactly mana, the soul level is used for any attack, and seems to be mostly battle-specific.
04:55:49 ER: And I got a special attack on R2, which takes one level of soul from me and gives it to the enemy.
04:57:00 ER: And ALSO the specific one they gave me to start puts me into a special mode where I do more damage and lose HP over time, and I can get out of that by doing ANOTHER special attack, which does more damage the lower my HP.
04:57:57 ER: I haven't really moved the combos from the default, but I might decide to do that.
04:58:12 ER: I have five different types of kick, and one fireball move.
04:58:26 midnightjaguar: Hmm. I should probably go to bed. Night
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04:59:16 ER: by default, it put the same four kick combo on X Y and B, and it gave me the fire spell and told me to put it on A.
05:00:04 ER: Direct control over only one at a time, maybe only Velvet.
05:00:23 ER: Though it says "active character", not just Velvet.
05:01:00 ER: Dunno, just got through the introduction after the introduction, so maybe I'll find something. :P
05:01:38 ER: I've got a fighter dude and a witch girl following me, but they don't seem to be "party members" yet.
05:02:52 ER: She looks elfy, broom unconfirmed.
05:05:46 ER: game complicated, possibly unnessesarially so. But that's what you're signing up for with a JRPG. ;P
05:06:01 ER: insane mechanics, and lots of them.
05:06:13 ER: Lots of time to get used to them.
05:06:41 ER: ToB puts "what the hell am I supposed to be doing" on L1 :P
05:08:57 ER: Of course I have a block button, which reduces damage and the enemy who hits me while blocking loses soul, but if I press block along with a direction I can dodge, and a correctly timed dodge makes me take 1 damage and gives ME soul.
05:11:03 ER: Haven't you heard of them? :P
05:15:14 ER: ah, so gnomes are technologially advanced precursor race then, got it
05:15:43 ER: they used to look like little dudes but turned themselves into these slime thingies
05:18:15 ER: you summoned a demon! I'm sure this will have no ill effects!
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05:25:28 ER: Is this one of those snes games that put fancy tech in the game cartridge?
05:25:45 ER: Voices ARE pretty good, yeah.
05:26:08 ER: Well, that's real good use of the console then.
05:28:55 ER: that's pretty predictable from the plot themes of ToB :P
05:31:20 ER: I could probably get a walktrhough easy, but would be hard to tell what part of the game you're in, specially because it seems kinda like you can do things out of order.
05:43:06 ER: I'd kinda like to play my own game and/or sleep. ;v
05:43:39 Devastator: Next bossfight's a bitch, anyway, so I'll probably just not do it.
05:43:43 Devastator: save it for the replay.
05:44:00 Devastator: Lord Maxwell turns into bouncing balls of death.
05:49:30 Devastator: I'll watch some if you choose to stream it ok? Assuming I'm not at the farm.
05:50:42 Devastator: The first three were, IIRC.
05:50:45 Devastator: Don't know past that.
06:02:15 Devastator: Oh, one of the things added in the remake are campfire scenes where the game tells you what the hell to do next.
06:02:44 Devastator: Which is mostly good, except it adds two unskippable cutscenes to each game element. One before, and one after, any plot element.
06:02:52 Devastator: And a grinding mechanic based on the same.
06:05:04 Devastator: A lot of the game isn't that confusing, so it looks like you see a cutscene, leave town, see a cutscene, go to dungeon, see a cutscene, enter dungeon. Finish dungeon, see a cutscene, head to town, see a cutscene, enter town..
06:05:21 Devastator: The cure is worse than the disease.
06:15:40 ER: lots of talking is traditional in the genre~
06:20:04 Devastator: "Well, lets head out to the evil mansion."
06:20:09 Devastator: "Here we are at the evil mansion."
06:20:37 Devastator: And in between you hire a boat to go to the evil mansion and have a scene on the boat where people are talking about the evil mansion.
06:21:10 Devastator: And then there's a bit at the docks of the island with the evil mansion on it, you get off, walk two steps, and have one more cutscene, and THEN you can enter the evil mansion.
06:21:16 Devastator: And you're going there because someone kidnapped a kid!
06:59:25 ER: proceeds to not actually sleep or play, and indeed distracts myself into watching a different stream.
07:07:12 Devastator: It's a fun game, but not that amazing.
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09:16:39 syv: Delayed chatting at
ER: In addition to a lack of i-frames, I'd like shields to be heavily nerfed. Make light shields have ~40% phys block, and the heaviest shields have ~90% at MOST. Really, 45% is already pretty great in DaS1, since it'a a percentage applied before the mostly direct reduction of armor.
09:17:40 syv: You could still block continually even with a 90% greatshield, but the constant chip damage would bug people, just like poison does despite really not being that serious.
09:19:50 syv: I loved how DaS 2 started out with there being only one 100% block shield in the first area, and it was hidden towards the end st that. It made turtling feel so much less encouraged, and it made me feel more endangered in bossfights.
09:20:14 syv: DaS1 would still perfectly cheesable with, say, Zweihander 2HR2, but oh well. Can't make the game perfect.
09:20:57 syv: Finally, twitch mobile isn't bad at all, long as you're just wanting to watch the stream. Fullscreen it, and it's like any other video.
09:22:28 syv: ...I'll stick around while doing forum stuff, in case
Dev pops in.
09:48:37 syv: Working on answering 888th questions ATM, because I'm feeling helpful and people are bad at reading the OP.
09:48:39 Devastator: or, well, today, in 12 hours.
09:48:52 syv: So am I, for a given definition of tomorrow.
09:49:13 syv: Ah. Yeah, that's not the definition I was using.
09:49:47 Devastator: Also, apparently a very weak manabolt is in order.
09:49:56 syv: Think I've slept a good sixteen hours of the last 24, which was soooo nice.
09:51:20 syv: "Shotgun strength" is sorta smack between cheap and minor at L3. Closer to cheap, though.
09:51:59 Devastator: eh, just give it a cheap, it's a minor target.
09:57:30 syv: Oh, yeah, it's gonna cost cheap regardless. I was just wondering what specifically I wrote in the OP.
09:58:34 Devastator: 'rifle is cheap cost'
09:58:50 Devastator: Shotgun should be about the same, really.
10:03:15 syv: Shotgun has a little under twice the raw kinetic energy, actually. "Rifle" is ambiguous, but I've been mentally pegging it as a hotter 6.5's equivalent, which is between a 5.56 and a .308.
10:04:11 Devastator: but a rifle does arguably more damage.
10:04:19 syv: Still far lower than a 12.7, ofc.
10:07:01 syv: Really depends. A slug will definitely do more straight damage than a bullet, but then the complexities of hydrostatic shock are harder to predict. A spray of 00 buck will do even more damage overall to a soft target; no shock but a lot more destroyed area. And a magical shotgun AoE blast will behave differently from both, and I'm not sure I'm even willing to let her customize her shots.
10:07:35 Devastator: Well, roll to see if she pulls off the custom. Success, charge a minor for the extra juice. Failure, just go with cheap rifle blast.
10:08:29 Devastator: Anyone around to help with the magic?
10:12:58 Devastator: Also, going to the farm later this week.
10:13:03 Devastator: Should only be gone a couple days.
10:13:50 syv: Nnnope. Tooru's the only one with manabolt. Though, that doesn't mean she can't be assisted, her helper would just have to get creative.
10:14:01 syv: Okay. Say hi to the kitties for me.
10:14:31 syv: "Hi" in cat is usually a couple tentative sniffs, then loud hissing, in case you aren't fluent.
10:15:24 syv: ...Think I'll also just not roll for Tooru's attack, it's just a single animate arm, she can hit that easy.
10:15:30 Devastator: I knew another cat that continually meowed forever.
10:15:46 Devastator: Entire life, I never saw it not meowing.
10:17:09 syv: One of the kittens is a little like that. Her meows only change in volume. Swear I've ran into the room a few times thinking she managed to break a leg or something, only to find her atop a box, just... wailing.
10:18:00 syv: Impressively loud for her size, at her loudest I can hear her halfway across the house. None of the others come anywhere close.
10:18:41 Devastator: Could see it walking, meow. meow. meow. meow.
10:19:04 Devastator: about one every three seconds.
10:20:42 syv: That is amusing and *adorable*.
10:26:01 Devastator: It really meowed every moment it was awake.
10:26:23 Devastator: barn cat at the horse farm. The previous owners couldn't stand that.
10:51:56 Devastator: Mind you, the first cat I ever had I heard meow twice in it's life.
10:52:08 Devastator: and once was when I accidently stepped on it.
10:52:47 Devastator: The other time was when the fat cat didn't get fed one day. It meowed exactly once at me the next day.
10:56:33 Devastator: It did learn that the habit of sleeping on a step one down from the top of a stairwell shouldn't be applied to outside.
10:59:00 syv: If I ever have a staircase, cats found sleeping on it will get a light swat. Really don't need to step on a cat where there's a any chance a tumble could cause death.
10:59:29 Devastator: That one didn't do that.
10:59:44 Devastator: (They love staircases, btw.)
11:00:04 syv: Noted. Mine will not be allowed to.
11:00:09 Devastator: A wall, covered in carpet, with a floor, covered in carpet?
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19:07:59 ER: Has a roguelike suggestion game been done before?
19:09:46 ER: I like solo cave crawling, with a fragile character and occasionally monsters or treasure.
19:12:04 ER: SG is how I can have a solo adventure, but usually SGs are the opposite of lethal, because they have 1 main character and if they die the story is kinda fucked.
19:16:27 ER: ...The alternative idea is that one player directly controls the character and the others are actual voices in the PC's head.
19:16:46 ER: with their own mechanical effects.
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19:58:35 Radio_Controlled: Good day you tacnukes obliterating Poland.
20:00:30 Radio_Controlled: Waddup homeboi.
20:01:18 Radio_Controlled: Hmm, good good
20:04:02 Radio_Controlled: Hey
ER, you wanna make a wizard racer?
20:06:40 Radio_Controlled: Basically I'm running an RP session next week and the players will be racing in a souped up car they'll steal against other magical racers
20:08:12 Radio_Controlled: So I need a bunch of competitor wizard racers and racing locations. I already have a decent amount of both, but I can always use more.
20:08:45 ER: Bella the speed witch, then.
20:08:45 Radio_Controlled: I have a file where I collect the ideas but letting you think of something unbiased might be better. What kind of witch did you have in mind?
20:15:00 Radio_Controlled: I mean, could you describe the her appearance and powers? And her general 'racing strat' (I'm guessing avoiding combat and going full sanic?). And a description of her magical car/steed/whatever.
20:17:42 ER: Light racing broom, machete and pistol. Her powers MOSTLY amount to going really fast, because she put all of it into her broom.
20:17:51 ER: This was my Coven character.
20:19:12 Radio_Controlled: Well, into the roster she goes!
20:19:36 ER: I forgot what she looked like.
20:20:11 Radio_Controlled: I'm predicting that her flying (or just hovering, if needed for balance) and speed will let her deal with a lot of the possible environmental stuff, but she's very fragile.
20:20:51 Radio_Controlled: And of course, some of the locations aren't the best for flyers so if she ends up getting drawn for one of those...
20:22:26 ER: yeah, I may not have been feeling very character designy when I made that description.
20:23:29 Radio_Controlled: Personality oozes from her every pore, for sure.
20:23:39 Radio_Controlled: Either way, she's in!
20:24:07 ER: I ended up changing the wierd magic stat and replacing it with normal things.
20:25:04 ER: She had a couple levels of runic sight, which let her read runes from the world and copy them onto things.
20:25:06 Radio_Controlled: Wanna see the other racers & locations?
20:30:40 Radio_Controlled: Oh, and @
parisbre56[Away], @Bemmu and @
AoshimaMichio, if you guys wanna create a wizard racer or a race location as well, let me know.
20:31:43 ER: How free am I to be needlessly cruel when designing race locations? :V
20:39:54 Radio_Controlled: I can always just balance it out if it's too harsh. Also note that the locations will go into a pool, and only a few will get used, so don't spend too much time on it.
20:40:19 Radio_Controlled: The idea is that they come out of a portal into some sort of dimension, and somewhere inside is the portal to the next location.
20:40:52 Radio_Controlled: About 3 other racers are drawn from the pool every time, so the npc racers might have an easy time or be hilariously mismatched.
20:41:20 ER: It's a giant metal corrigated metal shaft, circular, like 30 meters diameter, running directly down into the ground.
20:41:58 Radio_Controlled: Portal is on the bottom?
20:42:13 ER: There's also platforms and crossbeams, though, that you need to dodge in midair.
20:42:46 Radio_Controlled: And the entrance portal, also in the tube or away from it?
20:43:27 Radio_Controlled: So no escaping it, gotcha.
20:43:41 ER: The portal also isn't at the bottom of the shaft, just hovering. If you miss it somehow, you keep falling.
20:43:59 Radio_Controlled: Man, they better hope they have some sort of way to maneuver in midair then.
20:44:21 ER: they're wizards, they can figure it out~
20:44:45 Radio_Controlled: You'd think so huh.
20:45:25 Radio_Controlled: Yet the time all they needed to do was to save a kitten from a tree it ended in just about all the property damage.
20:46:08 ER: then The Shaft shall punish them for their sins.
20:46:55 ER: This place comes from a dream, by the way. I was at a bar built into the wall.
20:47:09 Radio_Controlled: Sounds like a pretty cool dream.
20:47:44 Radio_Controlled: Man, it's been a while since I could remember a fun dream. Should start writing them down again.
20:48:35 ER: I'm pretty sure that most of my actually cool dreams get retained.
20:48:56 ER: My dreams are great, though.
20:48:56 Radio_Controlled: But how would you know?
20:49:22 Radio_Controlled: One generally only retains dreams they had at the end of their sleep cycle, in my experience.
20:49:25 ER: Well, you don't forget that shit instantly, and you can remember remembering.
20:49:46 Radio_Controlled: But the thing is, all the ones you forget you don't know about.
20:50:02 ER: A few times where I remember wanting to retain it but forgetting, but they probably weren't THAT inspirational. :P
20:50:37 Radio_Controlled: You ever got into lucid dreaming?
20:51:01 ER: If I don't remember by the time I open my eyes, it definately wasn't anything worth remembering.
20:51:43 ER: I've never had a lucid dream exactly, but I'm happy with how my dreams are.
21:05:37 Radio_Controlled: Welp, time for me to go have a bunch of them I probably won't remember anyway.
21:05:51 Radio_Controlled: G'night you sleepy wizard.
21:06:05 ER: My best ideas generally aren't dreams anyway
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