ERLOG 2018-10-19

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00:10:50 syv: Fracking youtube, play me the music! >:(
00:18:26 Devastator: Underground oil exploitation through explosive devices, youtube?
00:19:07 syv: Mating youtube, play me the music! >:(
01:22:49 Devastator: off to dinner.
01:28:00 syv: o/
01:43:28 ER: hey
01:43:45 syv: Hi!
01:44:00 syv: Trying to finish Sophia and got distracted looking at Borderlands stuff. >.>
01:44:15 syv: Apparently there's a mod to make BL2 work like Superhot.
01:44:18 ER: nice
01:45:05 ER: well I got a sweet idea to write up and then got distacted by a caterpillar youtube video and then went off to play smash bros
01:49:41 ER: It's about cybereyes!
01:50:06 syv: Oooh.
01:50:19 syv: Any more details, or should I wait for the writeup?
01:51:59 ER: and artificial eye can be useful for a military scout to have. Surgery to install the neural interface is expensive. The eye hardware itself is cheap. Solution: replace just one eye of each of your scouts' with a cheap cybereye, and if it breaks in the field they can pluck it out and replace it from a supply they're carrying.
01:56:10 syv: Neat idea.
01:56:37 syv: Logical, and makes for stylish asymmetry.
01:56:43 ER: Yes.
01:57:31 ER: And also pressing down on your own eye like a button to trigger the release and replacement mode.
01:57:50 syv: Though I wonder how the difference in capacity would affect the human mind. Plus, lack of binocular vision, though you could just have rangefinders in the eyes. Maybe some brain mods to make the range intuitively understood.
01:58:11 ER: That disconnects the ball itself from the deeper neural link, and extends little handles to make it easier to remove.
01:58:24 syv: Heh. Delightful!
01:58:41 ER: Planning this as basically a "what to do if your cybereye stops working" manual.
01:59:27 ER: You could just turn off the extra capacity when they have the other eye open. :P
02:00:03 ER: Also part of the point is that you can relay better intel back to HQ, because they can actually see through your eyes.
02:01:37 syv: And lo, scouts no longer need to be artists, but on the other hand, they need a wifi connection.
02:03:12 syv: Okay, pretty much done with this.
02:03:18 ER: also if your eyes get hacked you're only fucked in one eye, and can probably remove it before it gives your a seisure. :V
02:04:09 syv: I want to complain about your eye even having a hackable connection, but then of course it does.
02:05:10 ER: Well it's helpful to be able to send data from it out, and once that's true there can probably be some exploit.
02:06:19 syv: Hey, is the second PM you send a change to the abilities you wanted to level?
02:06:25 syv: *sent
02:06:29 ER: yes
02:07:50 syv: Thanks for coloring them for me.
02:08:47 ER: Fun!
02:09:53 syv: Sent.
02:11:18 ER: Hopefully I didn't die this update! It doesn't seem likely, but hey you never know right
02:11:37 syv: A *little* anxious about what happened in it. But no, no more death quite so soon.
02:26:07 ER: I have a rifled sawn off shotgun, huh
02:26:34 ER: rifling would help with shooting slugs, right?
02:27:04 ER: could just treat it as the biggest and dumbest rifle-pistol ever
02:28:17 syv: It does, with longer barrels.
02:28:43 syv: I suppose it'd have *some* effect out of a short barrel, but it's still gonna be shit accuracy.
02:29:31 syv: If you want Sophia to question Pumsy more, I can answer
02:29:37 syv: in IRC.
02:29:46 ER: So Sophia's soul is rifled and sawn off, two aspects working at cross measures to make something dumb and useless. Fitting~
02:29:56 ER: ah, I will.
02:30:30 syv: It also now has bayonets, which are just an amusingly poor idea on such a weapon.
02:30:45 syv: Not enough for it to matter mechanically, but they aren't exactly helpful either.
02:30:47 ER: Yup.
02:31:31 ER: I was planning on making a copy of this and giving a loaded one to the ward, but this development makes that a worse idea.
02:32:10 ER: It's not as good at shooting physical ammo, and the ward can't hold it with both hands to deal with the recoil.
02:32:26 ER: Or, well.
02:32:41 ER: I guess it is slightly better with slugs than not rifled, yeah.
02:33:16 ER: Wonder if the average monster would be more resistant to the slugs or to the pellets?
02:34:09 syv: You can fire shot with rifling. It significantly shortens the range, but it's already a sawn-off.
02:35:01 syv: It would really depend on the familiar, and their weaknesses.
02:35:32 syv: Shot may fare better against some than it would against humans. Might be worthless against others.
02:35:35 ER: maybe I give the ward one loaded with one shell shot and one shell slug, and tell her to shoot both barrels point-blank into the horrible monster that will ineviatably get within melee range with the powerless child.
02:35:43 syv: Heh.
02:35:50 syv: ...Ow.
02:37:14 ER: Well, at least with totem manipulation I can make the edgy keychain into something more useful.
02:38:21 ER: Extend the blades for an almost-decent melee weapon, extend the barrels for an actually good slug gun, extend the chain to... have a chain, really.
02:38:48 ER: And/or make two of them with long chains and pretend I'm kratos with guns.
02:39:09 syv: shotgun-chucks!
02:39:21 syv: SWORD-SHOTGUN-CHUCKS
02:39:38 syv: Congratulations, Sophia has worse ideas than Fighter.
02:40:57 ER: Can I fire manabolts from a totem that someone else is carrying?
02:41:28 ER: Using their skill and my soul, presumably?
02:42:10 syv: Mm.
02:42:17 syv: ...Hmm.
02:43:10 syv: ...Yes, but only with TK, and at a short range. Mami could fire manabolts remotely with her floating guns, and used TK to make them float.
02:43:50 ER: Relatedly, can I fire my gun while just holding the end of the chain and not touching the trigger?
02:44:21 ER: Can I TM the trigger to be on the end of the chain? ;P
02:45:03 syv: Absolutely.
02:45:07 syv: To both.
02:45:54 ER: so if I make the chain long enough that another magical girl can hold the gun itself while I hold the end of the chain, I can do it without TK!
02:45:56 ER: ;P
02:46:46 syv: Yup.
02:47:17 syv: There'll be limits, though. No making a fifty-foot chain and using that for remote firing.
02:51:54 ER: Pumsey seems almost suspiciously intent to learn how I pulled that off.
02:52:16 ER: Also the game's name is a spoiler, and Pumsey is half the name.
02:52:32 syv: No it's not.
02:52:41 syv: "Pumsy" is half the name :P
02:53:00 ER: Also Isabella seemed to think he was making magical girls selfishly somehow.
02:53:15 syv: He's a curious kitty.
02:53:23 ER: And yet he seemed to have followed her here, for some reason.
02:54:38 syv: You could ask him why.
02:55:53 ER: I could ask him many things, but I'm just explaining why it might be a relevent consideration that he can lie to me. :P
02:56:39 syv: Pumsy would never lie to you! He loves you!
02:57:01 syv: It's hurtful that you'd even think he'd do something so mean. ;^;
02:57:44 ER: Also, I dunno what he'll be willing to tell me until I've answered his question, and given that I have no idea why Isabella apparantly didn't trust him, and why he wants to know how I defeated her, the only safe assumption is that if I tell him, something very bad will happen to me. >_>
02:58:55 ER: meet a new person -> figure out if they can kill you, and why they might want to -> make friends
02:59:06 syv: :(
02:59:12 syv: That's a really sad way to live...
02:59:38 ER: I know, but Sophia.
03:00:33 syv: Yeah.
03:00:39 ER: She's a nice person, she just grew up in an enviroment where paranoia and selfishness are survival mechanisms.
03:01:09 syv: 'S really a pity, I fully expect Sophia to die within twenty updates of joining the game proper. Maybe less.
03:01:41 syv: I like the character, but I don't see her surviving.
03:03:18 ER: Because of my playstyle, or something else?
03:03:50 syv: Playstyle, game, class, and personality.
03:05:14 syv: You tend to play all or nothing, the exact playstyle the game punishes (and it's just a hard game), Purity is a class that tends to detonate, and is therefore hard to use (I.E. bad >.>), and Sophia seems unlikely to make strong bonds with her allies.
03:06:08 ER: Purity detonating may or may not be why I grabbed some Equi powers. :V
03:07:24 ER: My chances of making bonds with other characters is... uh, I can't say really, depends what exactly happens.
03:07:56 ER: Like I say, she's a nice person who's been messed up.
03:09:24 syv: Well, fair enough. She could also just be likable to playerd, even if she's abrasive IC, which could make up for it.
03:09:30 syv: Do you have any questions?
03:09:55 ER: ahem
03:10:05 ER: [activating character voice mode]
03:11:21 ER: [color=maroon][glow=pink,2,300]"Why do you want to know so bad, Pumsy?"[/glow][/color]
03:11:40 ER: (aw yeah, bbcode on irc, that's next level)
03:16:16 syv: Pumsy tilts his head, looking somewhat confused. "Because I want to know? You're different from other girls, and I want to know how! Maybe you're really powerful! Or... maybe you're really lucky? I don't know, you won't tell me!" his voice starts to whine a bit, as his tail flicks back and forth behind him.
03:21:30 ER: Sophia had tried to be upbeat when talking to Pumsy, mirroring his apparant enthusiasm, but now she hardens some, and her voice is grimmer. [color=maroon][glow=pink,2,300]"And why should I trust that's the real answer? Why should I trust [b]you[/b]?"[/glow][/color]
03:25:35 syv: "What? But, why wouldn't you trust me? I love you! I granted your wish, and I tried to help you!" He sounds worried, almost distraught, now leaning forward and staring at you with his wide, golden eyes. After a couple seconds he leans back and looks down at his, feet, continuing with a mumble. "I'm sorry I couldn't help more. I'm not really strong, not like you."
03:30:15 ER: ((Ah, just noticed that Hildegard was mentioned in two seperate memories. Thank, ctrl-F!))
03:33:18 syv: Heh.
03:33:43 ER: [color=maroon][glow=pink,2,300]"...Isabella thought that you chose girls selfishly. To serve your own goals, whatever those are. I wonder why she thought that. Isabella helped me, even if in a roundabout way, and she was smart enough to survive. If she didn't trust you, I don't think that I should, either."[/glow][/color]
03:35:47 syv: "...But...aww..." is all he says, and though he can't really frown, his sudden dropping posture makes his entire body seem like it's frowning.
03:36:16 syv: "Okay, Sophia. I'll go away."
03:37:14 ER: [color=maroon][glow=pink,2,300]"Just tell me... what you are, and why Isabella thought those things about you, and you can stay."[/glow][/color]
03:41:08 syv: "Umm... I don't know why Isabella thought bas things, I thought she liked me! Some girls dislike me, but I was told they just didn't like magical stuff! But Sophia liked magic, she loved being a magical girl, I thought she loved me too!" He's back to being distraught, almost crying, with a hint of angry accusation sneaking into his voice.
03:41:38 ER: ((*Isabella))
03:41:50 syv: ((...Yes. >.>))
03:42:02 syv is a bit tired
03:42:40 ER: [color=maroon][glow=pink,2,300]"Who told you that?"[/glow][/color]
03:43:26 ER: At this point, sophia's tone of voice has shifted from frustration to simple curiousity.
03:46:19 syv: "The other girls! Most magical girls work in teams, they survive better that way. Isabella did too, and she loved me the most of any of them! And they all liked me, even Hannah, I think! Didn't you see Isabella's memories? She would hold me and pet me, all the time!"
03:46:44 syv: "You're just mean, aren't you?" he says, a little reproachfully, though still clearly sad.
03:47:41 ER: [color=maroon][glow=pink,2,300]"No, I just don't trust anyone I shouldn't anymore."[/glow][/color]
03:49:04 syv: "But you should trust me! I granted your wish!"
03:49:21 ER: [color=maroon][glow=pink,2,300]"If I trust someone and they want to hurt me, I can't protect myself. They can just hurt me any time they want. That's what trust is, really. It's when someone can really mess you up, but you know they won't."[/glow][/color]
03:50:02 ER: [color=maroon][glow=pink,2,300]"And when you're wrong, bad things happen."[/glow][/color]
03:51:29 syv: He calms down a little, though still sad. "You can protect yourself now, though. You're not a weak human anymore, you're a magical girl
03:52:17 syv: . You wished to have power, and be free, so now you're the most powerful and free creature in the world. You don't have to worry about bad things anymore!"
03:56:34 ER: [color=maroon][glow=pink,2,300]"Bad things never go away, even if you don't worry about them. If I make a mistake bad enough, I can still die. The slavers made a mistake a long time ago, and in the end Isabella killed them. Isabella made the mistake of not checking the corner, and she paid for it immediately. I don't know if I can trust you, because I don't know what you can do to me. I've never met anything like you before."[/glo
03:56:46 Devastator: back.
03:57:08 ER: "For all I know, you could just kill me right now, because I made the mistake of talking to you rather than running away."
03:57:22 syv: ((Hey Dev. Sophia x Pumsy RP going on.))
03:57:49 Devastator: Literally Sophia x Pumsey?
03:57:59 syv: ...
03:58:07 ER: maybe. we'll see
03:58:07 Devastator: Hey, your words.
03:58:28 syv: ((Not that way, damn it. Just talking. "Sophia - Pumsy" would be a better symbol. >.<))
03:58:59 syv: ((Also NO, ER.))
03:59:55 ER: ((Anything is possible, especially shocking and disturbing things.))
04:02:26 syv: "I wouldn't do that! I would never hurt you, Sophia!"
04:03:08 syv: "I... I can't make you believe me, though, can I?"
04:04:10 syv: ((Some things are most certainly impossible. Like getting syv to write a sex scene involving a baby animal and an underage girl.))
04:08:24 ER: "You can't get me to trust you as soon as I've met you, Pumsy. Maybe some day, but not right now. If you really want to be my friend, we need to understand each other, and help each other. If I think you really won't hurt me, I'll trust you. But you need to [i]prove[/i] it."
04:10:21 syv: He gives you a sad look, pausing for a moment, then slowly nods. "Okay, Sophia." With that, he turns around, and leaps up to the edge lip of the crater, his claws scrabbling at the concrete for a monent before he finds purchase and makes it over the edge, disappearing from your view.
04:15:23 ER: ...
04:15:32 ER: this was a GREAT idea
04:15:59 syv: Yes. Writing for Pumsy is fun.
04:16:20 ER: Can I climb out of the hole now?
04:16:47 syv: Yes, but then that requires... well, I guess it doesn't, actually.
04:17:46 syv: Yeah, up top is the same compound that you saw from Isabella's memory. Corpses around the ruined SUV (was it a Jeep...?), holes blown in the other building. All exactly as she left it.
04:19:58 ER: Seems that you just described it as a car?
04:20:00 syv: a part of me wants to write out the desc from Sophia's perspective, but I'm way too tired ATM, and it's not worth the delay just for more words.
04:20:51 syv: Huh. Lazy sy. It was an SUV or SUV-ish Jeep of some kind, as I visualized it.
04:21:18 ER: Shame, those would be good words.
04:21:44 ER: But yeah I'm intent to conclude this asap
04:21:54 syv: I could, if you don't mind the next update being that instead of actual progression.
04:22:48 ER: >...Go find the place where Isabella's soul gem was destroyed. Keep my eyes and ears open, though.
04:26:13 syv: Far as you can tell, her soul gem was destroyed in the slave housing building, which is now a deep crater. She died in the sleeping room, but... over there's just more concrete. You climb down and look around, and find some scraps of bedrolls, though... not as many as you'd expect. And no bodies, or blood, at all.
04:26:59 syv: ((I should prolly mention that shortly after Sophia leaving this place, the updates will stop regardless. She meets the main group shortly after.))
04:27:10 ER: ((so, NOT exactly as she left it))
04:27:45 syv: ((Uhm. Yes. Aside from the building being collapsed. I presumed that was obvious, but prolly should've specified.))
04:27:48 syv is tired
04:28:48 ER: hum
04:29:16 ER: >Nothing left here, time to go.
04:29:30 syv: ...Really?
04:30:02 syv: Unless I seriously screwed up, there were two buildings, one of which is intact.
04:31:16 ER: Do I have a very good reason to check it out?... Ah fuck it, may as well milk this stage for all it's content.
04:31:44 ER: >Go inside, but really seriously be very very careful, there may still be someone alive in there.
04:31:55 syv: Maybe I'm just weird for being the sort who would grab every gun available.
04:32:18 syv: ...Hrm.
04:32:55 syv: Okay, well, there is someone still alive IIRC, the guy who was nailed in the wall. Sophia recognizes him. And I really feel this scene deserves a proper, full conscious writeup.
04:33:09 syv: *nailed to
04:33:47 ER: Oh well, guess you'll have to write another turn with all that in it~
04:34:27 Devastator: aww.
04:34:36 ER: I want to see Sophia's perspective on the surface ruination, too, so include that. ;P
04:35:02 ER: I do find the different perspectives really interesting.
04:35:41 syv: Meh, fine.
04:36:07 ER: Not sure if I could write that way if I wanted to. It's a bit less poetic and more grounded, and I do love writing that poetic nonsense~
04:36:09 syv: Oh. Dev. You might want to have Alida be more forceful in her choice, if you're interested in a Friday update.
04:36:23 syv: I am nothing if not grounded.
04:36:32 Devastator: I might post again, but I want to offer the choice to the other players.
04:45:23 ER: I wonder how likely I was to die at some point in this IRC section~
04:45:57 Devastator: hmm, any more opportunity to chat with the kitten?
04:47:58 ER: Well, I was hoping to ask him some questions but looks like I've squandered that on playing Sophia to her fullest. >.>
04:48:12 syv: Not for Sophia, here.
04:49:04 Devastator: "How many of us are there?"
04:49:50 ER: I did try to keep him from running off for a while. I could have gotten him to answer a bunch of questions in exchange for being my friend but- that felt really manuipulative and mean. :V
04:50:22 Devastator: Alida is probably going to grab him and carry him into the next labrynth by force.
04:50:38 Devastator: "You can show us the right way to go."
04:51:07 ER: That honestly seems really unwise.
04:51:29 Devastator: Probably, but so is making wishes with otherworldly beings.
04:51:41 ER: You still don't know what he is. Trying to force him around might result in bad things.
04:52:06 syv: (ER) I did try to keep him from running off for a while. I could have gotten him to answer a bunch of questions in exchange for being my friend but- that felt really manuipulative and mean. :V
04:52:29 syv: This makes me happy.
04:53:25 ER: Hmm. The point of Sophia is that sometimes making a deal with an otherworldly force isn't a mistake, or at least it's the best mistake you have the option of making.
05:00:31 syv: Asha *kinda* was like that. Didn't work nearly as well tho.
05:03:24 ER: Well, a simple "you die unless you sell your soul" is kinda a less interesting setup in general, though Sophia would have totally died if she hadn't sold her soul.
05:05:04 Devastator: Well, you could always wish for something to kill you.
05:05:11 Devastator: that will kill you.
05:05:53 syv: "I want to overdose on heroine instead of dying to this horrible monster.
05:06:15 ER: Mami would have died, also, but that's not really expanded upon, about whether that makes the price worth it. *That* story was up to different things though and couldn't really waste its time on her.
05:07:42 Devastator: "I want to live the life of an action movie hero."
05:08:42 ER: "I wish that action movie heroes were real."
05:08:49 syv: The next day Russian gangsters break into your house, kick you unconscious, and kill your dog.
05:09:12 syv: It's up to you to track them down and kill them though.
05:09:44 syv: Really, living the life of an action movie hero is complete shit. You get all the problems and challenges, but none of the plot armor or skill.
05:10:06 ER: the trick is, the action movie heroes don't die during the movie, so if you die while getting your awesome revenge, you weren't living the life of an action movie hero.
05:10:19 Devastator: Well.. yeah. I was thinking of wishes that would kill you.
05:10:31 ER: thus the wish makes you unable to die while on screen, or in the middle of the movie.
05:10:41 syv: Sure you were! Right up until you stopped living the life of an action movie hero. Bevsuse you died.
05:11:17 Devastator: "I wish I could have all the positives and none of the negatives when using drugs."
05:11:18 ER: but the life of an action movie hero wouldn't include the part where you die
05:12:19 syv: All stimulants work well on you, but you're immune to depressants.
05:12:46 syv: Of course not, ER. Your death isn't part of your life, 'cause you're dead.
05:13:08 ER: only the electons and neutons in drugs can interact with you, not the protons. aka all drugs are ions for you.
05:13:23 ER: Because that's the only objective meaning of positive and negative.
05:13:30 Devastator: I think most wishes dealing with basic physics lead to explosions.
05:13:34 syv: "Pssst... hey kid, want some ionic heroin?"
05:13:41 Devastator: maybe even faster than wishing to be cute.
05:14:25 syv: "I wish the weak force didn't exist because it's stupid."
05:14:28 ER: "I wish to always be slightly prettier than Nanami."
05:14:36 syv: Said no twelve year old ever.
05:14:38 syv: Hah.
05:14:47 syv: Too bad Coven's dead.
05:15:05 Devastator: Yeah.
05:15:06 ER: that is not dead which may forever lie
05:15:13 Devastator: I might poke him in the new year sometime.
05:15:25 Devastator: if you guys write up mousegame and I'm not still updating birdgame.
05:15:30 syv: "Ow! My New Year!"
05:15:31 Devastator: Still need your char sheet, ER.
05:15:49 Devastator: Actually, that might be an interesting wish.
05:16:04 Devastator: "I wish to be like my fictional OC in X way."
05:16:08 ER: char sheet?
05:16:19 ER: you just asked me for a perk, and I have you one
05:16:47 Devastator: Can you PM me it, then?
05:16:50 Devastator: I can't find it.
05:17:27 ER: one per turn, a random useless and irrelevent, but true, fact about the world pops into my head.
05:17:52 Devastator: ..that's not a perk.
05:18:05 Devastator: I'm happy to do that, but it isn't a perk.
05:18:09 Devastator: I also need a name.
05:18:10 ER: well you didn't say what a perk was, so I made one up
05:18:12 syv: Not as you define it, Dev.
05:18:27 Devastator: Something beneficial mechanically, then.
05:19:16 ER: That's bineficial.
05:19:32 ER: Something that's useless now may not be useless later.
05:20:12 Devastator: Ok, then. No perk.
05:20:18 Devastator: Still, send me your name.
05:20:43 ER: I mean, it doesn't HAVE to be useless to the situation if you want to give me a bone, it just shouldn't nessesarially have anything to do with what's happening.
05:21:27 Devastator: That's fine, ER, but it's no mechanical advantage. I'll put stuff into most turns, though maybe not every turn.
05:21:51 Devastator: PW didn't choose one either.
05:23:01 ER: Librarian Yuglue
05:23:32 syv: What's PW's char?
05:23:43 Devastator: You'll find out.
05:24:59 Devastator: okay, now time to PM myself that name so it's in the same place as the other stuff.
05:29:13 Devastator: Are you sure you don't want, say, a +1 to knowledge rolls?
05:29:31 Devastator: that would be in addition to the useless information.
05:29:57 ER: I'd take it
05:31:02 Devastator: ok.
05:31:17 Devastator: I don't like giving people nothing, even with the backstory PW wrote.
05:33:09 Devastator: "I wish the weak force didn't exist because it's stupid."
05:33:15 Devastator: Didn't it get unified at some point?
05:33:39 Devastator: (Although I'd expect they would just rename it with that wish.)
05:34:45 syv shrugs
05:36:31 Devastator: "I wish my imaginary friend was a real person."
05:37:03 syv: Oooh.
05:37:32 ER: I wish I had all the powers of a smash bros character
05:38:20 Devastator: You'd do that? I thought you hated NPCs.
05:39:15 ER: he hates everything he makes, so NPCs are fine so long as someone else makes them~
05:39:35 syv: ...Weeeelll.
05:39:48 Devastator: I think you may have struck a little close to the mark there, ER. ;-p
05:39:53 Devastator: Although he's good, really.
05:40:13 ER: he's good, really. and he's really, good
05:40:36 Devastator: Pumsy's is good too.
05:41:00 syv: Are you talking about me being good?
05:41:12 Devastator: Yeah.
05:41:16 Devastator: You make a good game.
05:41:25 syv: You've got terrible terrible taste.
05:41:31 syv: :P
05:41:59 Devastator: I showed you Prequel.
05:42:20 Devastator: and made you watch PM3.
05:42:23 syv: Among other furry comics, yes.
05:43:02 ER: Dev has great tastes. He loves ER, after all.
05:47:26 syv: He also loves Deadpoll.
06:06:44 Devastator: "polyphonic ventriloquist."
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06:24:44 ER: hmm
06:24:46 ER: he left
06:24:53 ER: that seems like a good idea
06:26:57 Devastator: okay.
06:28:36 ER: not that it's in my nature to do something just because it's a good idea to do said thing
06:32:40 ER: oh well. love!
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09:04:52 Topic for #einsteinianroulette: Intergalactic Day of Mourning for 2016 (2016-2016)
09:04:52 Topic set by Remalle!Variety@i2246816zi629tu21.vc.shawcable.net [Tuesday 03 January 2017, 06:26:56]
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22:12:27 Radio_Controlled: Good evening you delta deltas exponentiated.
22:21:59 Devastator: Heya RC.
22:22:01 Devastator: how you doin?
22:23:55 Radio_Controlled: Decent enough. Had to help someone decipher some obtuse instructions today which got a little frustrating, but nothing too bad.
22:23:57 Radio_Controlled: You?
22:26:05 Radio_Controlled: Also sorry I didn't reply to that final pm, didn't find the time at first then lost sight of it.
22:28:28 Devastator: Okay.
22:28:31 Devastator: which one was that?
22:29:26 Radio_Controlled: Neo-NAFTA one.
22:29:46 Devastator: Ahh.
22:30:04 Devastator: Yeah, there are a lot more people who can cause trouble. It isn't just the president.
22:31:19 Radio_Controlled: True.
22:31:36 Radio_Controlled: Well, you guys are stuck with it now.
22:31:45 Radio_Controlled: Best of luck on that front.
22:33:52 Devastator: we'll be fine.
22:34:14 Devastator: The thing about primary resource tariffs is that if we don't sell the resource it remains available in the future.
22:34:27 Radio_Controlled: Just wait till climate change makes Canada the hot new place to be.
22:34:48 Devastator: Hey, you mock..
22:35:02 Devastator: Did see a bit of a confusing article on vegitarianism the other day.
22:35:55 Radio_Controlled: Did you now.
22:36:41 Devastator: Eh.
22:37:16 Devastator: Claimed that there would be an agricultural crisis that the world's poor are now eating a lot more meat, while forgetting that many of the poorest are no longer starving.
22:39:33 Radio_Controlled: So where did the article confuse you?
22:40:23 Devastator: Basically, that thing A happened, which caused less starvation. The article claimed that doing thing A would lead to more starvation.
22:41:54 Devastator: In general it seems that there's less overutilization of minimal lands, killing people.
22:42:34 Devastator: The advantage was gained by less warfare and new farming methods on the more productive lands, and grazing on lands that couldn't really support incidental agriculture.
22:42:39 Devastator: The result was better production.
22:46:11 Devastator: Essentially, the article treated it as a zero-sum game.
22:46:16 Devastator: when that's not really the case.
22:47:15 Radio_Controlled: So where would the crisis come in?
22:47:26 Radio_Controlled: According to the article, I mean.
22:48:14 Devastator: Essentially, it made the prediction that raising animals will always cause a decrease in available calories, due to losing calories in meat production.
22:50:16 Devastator: It also simultaneously claimed that raising cows was about 7% as efficient as raising food crops, which is true, but at the same time, these cows took up three times as much land as the food crops did.
22:50:30 Devastator: ..which very strongly implies that the cows aren't actually eating people food.
22:51:49 Devastator: So the article gave enough facts to state that it's main point is not accurate.
22:51:54 Radio_Controlled: While it is true that there are marginal lands where bulk agriculture would be difficult yet grazing is still possible, that is not really how modern large-scale meat production works, afaik.
22:52:37 Devastator: Well.. then why aren't people starving when they raise animals?
22:57:50 Devastator: I mean, yeah, it's okay to say that, but you can only raise animals on food crops when there's enough food crops. If there aren't, you kill the animals.
22:58:14 Devastator: Also, the 'small amount' seems to be three times as much land as is sown under crops.
22:58:24 Devastator: that is, the marginal lands.
23:01:28 Devastator: anyway, enough about that.
23:01:33 Devastator: going to relaunch birdgame.
23:02:20 Radio_Controlled: Apart from the fact that there are still starving people in the world and that those people are often farmers, you'll have to account for the fact that a lot of externalities don't get accounted for in our economic system.
23:02:42 Devastator: oh, absolutely.
23:02:53 Radio_Controlled: Anyways, birdgame you say?
23:03:35 Devastator: Yeah.
23:03:53 Devastator: going to do it through PMs at first. Will probably start a thread if the players get out of the realm of the gods.
23:05:11 Radio_Controlled: I take it doggogame is officially dead, by the way?
23:05:21 Devastator: Yeah.
23:05:24 Devastator: Just wasn't fun.
23:07:04 Radio_Controlled: So, remind me what the central concept of birdgame was again.
23:07:28 Devastator: Everyone is birds.
23:07:30 Devastator: The world is fucked.
23:07:32 Devastator: have at it.
23:08:24 Radio_Controlled: Fucked how? Mad max style post-apoc?
23:08:39 Devastator: Pre-apoc.
23:08:48 Devastator: well, during apoc, really.
23:12:28 Devastator: Post apoc in that most of the fuckups happened long, long before living memory.
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23:15:18 Devastator: I don't think the players would mind if I CC you the turns.
23:15:20 Devastator: would that be okay?
23:15:43 Radio_Controlled: Sure, why not.
23:15:57 Radio_Controlled: Heya Energetic Raspberry.
23:18:24 Devastator: Saeko also has cat ears now.
23:18:48 Radio_Controlled: Yeah.
23:18:52 Radio_Controlled: OP mofo.
23:19:02 Devastator: temp spells be OP.
23:19:05 Radio_Controlled: Well, that one word at least.
23:19:48 Radio_Controlled: Though to be fair, we today found out on the discord what the payout for the 25 gold bet will be if Pan wins the next match.
23:19:51 ER: meanwhile I just have to punch people, and eat their souls, and then use soul power to punch people explosively.
23:20:34 Radio_Controlled: Your fortunes have turned around quite nicely!
23:20:53 Devastator: well, you can set up a circle of punch.
23:21:01 Devastator: you punch someone for the power to punch the next person.
23:21:04 Devastator: What's the payout?
23:21:07 Radio_Controlled: Now ride that high until all is punches.
23:21:55 Radio_Controlled: The bet was for Ecalir winning the tournament, aka no payout unless he won all of them. 25 gold bet, 2025 gold payout.
23:22:31 Radio_Controlled: Neither Pan nor me expected it to be anywhere near that high, and it vertainly explains why those mobsters hate him so much.
23:23:22 ER: mobsters hate him! find out how this single barbarian made 2000 gold quick!
23:23:26 Devastator: be very glad there are mobsters.
23:23:32 Devastator: Otherwise the champ might be legic.
23:23:34 Devastator: legit.
23:24:31 Devastator: Wow, though.
23:24:51 Devastator: I think I was going to ask for ~200 gold if Saeko manages to free the town from paying tribute with lives.
23:26:22 Radio_Controlled: Yeah, if he pulls it off then this trip to the arena will have paid for itself and then some.
23:27:51 Devastator: I was mostly joking about it, but I think if you end up buying buffs I'm going to ask PW to actually double the price for you guys. ;-p
23:32:56 Radio_Controlled: Assuming we ever get to you. Pan might get addicted to the arena life.
23:34:15 Devastator: You've got time. I think this plot hook is going to take more than a few more turns.
23:34:25 Devastator: and I'll probably hang around a dozen or more turns after that, collecting mana.
23:35:18 Radio_Controlled: Yeah.
23:35:39 Radio_Controlled: Lup killed the monster as well, I'm curious to see what that leads to.
23:36:28 Devastator: Which monster was that?
23:37:33 Radio_Controlled: Octopus thingie.
23:38:44 Devastator: Hmm.
23:39:22 Radio_Controlled: Remember, with the magic compass and all?
23:39:31 Radio_Controlled: Unless the monster is what it was pointing at.
23:39:58 Devastator: Maybe.
23:40:09 Devastator: I'm wondering if Saeko is the only person likely to negotiate with her monster.
23:40:32 Devastator: Also, maybe these monsters are what PW was referring to the linchpins of the world that Mr. Holocaust was drinking from.
23:41:37 Radio_Controlled: I'd think those monsters would be more powerful?
23:41:52 Radio_Controlled: Are you sure she is facing a monster?
23:42:00 Radio_Controlled: My money is still on epic raaaave.
23:42:05 Devastator: Heh.
23:42:18 Devastator: 15 people getting dragged below the waves? Maaaaybe? My money's on monster.
23:43:05 Radio_Controlled: Epic Beats and Neptune's place.
23:43:19 Radio_Controlled: Bring the hooch but leave the calamares.
23:44:25 Radio_Controlled: Ooh, now Leng is also joining in on the mana sucking from the spirit.
23:44:32 Radio_Controlled: As they say, three's a party...
23:44:43 Devastator: The other guy yelling at me to stay in my room sounds like magic.
23:44:48 Devastator: as does the giant moon.
23:45:07 Radio_Controlled: Is it that time of month again in BC?
23:46:35 Devastator: For saeko.
23:47:09 Radio_Controlled: Suuuure.
23:48:11 Devastator: Well, there is a giant moon going on.
23:48:21 Devastator: Nah, I think death is happening. If it's mad beatz, I'll find out.
23:51:33 Radio_Controlled: Funny thing is that my usual radio station is doing a 24h dance classics marathon.
23:51:48 Radio_Controlled: Mad beatz all night long.
23:52:13 Devastator: hope you like it.
23:52:50 Radio_Controlled: I'm heading off to bed and grooving myself to sleep.
23:52:58 Radio_Controlled: G'night.
23:53:13 Devastator: ok
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23:55:11 Devastator: Yow, that's a lotta money.
23:55:20 Devastator: I think it also converts at 10g a mana point for RC.
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