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02:52:22 syv really wishes he'd been around when NJW was talking about Souls...
02:54:45 syv: Atrictly speaking, I don't think that route's impossible, with the firesage skip.
NJW mentioned an "elevator plunge", which is something I haven't heard of (clipping through the DoC elevator, then save/quitting with fall control?), but it's still kiiinda ridiculous. If you cam pull of a firesage skip then go kill BoC without dying, you don't actually need the benefits it gets you.
02:58:58 ER: just had my first non-setup DnD sitting
02:59:29 ER: I got stuck by lightning and almost died
03:00:50 syv: I thought you were a tiefling, not a dragon@
03:01:14 syv: ...Is your tiefling a dude, or a gal?
03:01:28 ER: A gal, but I haven't told anyone that so
03:01:52 syv: Guess the name's not Annah, then. Ah well.
03:03:36 syv: There apparently IS an elevator-clipping skip. Repeatedly savequit facing away from the DoC elevator, until you clip through, then plunge attack straight onto Firesage's head. It's awesome. And looks far less finicky than the traditional firesage skip.
03:04:23 syv: Has Alm teamkilled anyone yet?
03:04:49 syv: Will Alm *probably* teamkill anyone? ;P
03:05:00 ER: GM appears to have forgotten wild magic surge exists, because he hasn't been rolling it
03:05:24 ER: You're up in death plane,
Dev.
03:06:19 syv: Thought you weren't back until tomorrow, like 53 minutes from now.
03:07:29 ER: Alm isn't very close to teamkilling right now
03:07:37 syv:
ER, you should remind him. Get him rolling those surges.
03:07:50 ER: and might be a little saner than the average
03:08:07 syv: Average for your chars, or average for the group?
03:08:32 ER: well see, the GM say he won't remind us of things that we can do, so I figure I shouldn't remind him of things he can do to me either
03:10:51 syv: Aww. But randomly exploding or whatever is fun.
03:11:05 syv: What happened that you got lightning'd, anyway?
03:11:44 ER: we were performing a sacred ritual in an evil place, and the GM rolled a 99
03:12:20 ER: so the sky got angry at us and I failed a dex save and a con save
03:13:04 syv: This sounds like instant death, TBH.
03:13:23 ER: also Witch Bolt is a really good 1st level spell for sorcerer
03:13:49 ER: Might be GM mercy. Knocked me down to 0 HP
03:14:05 syv: Well, good for you I guess.
03:14:58 syv: Why were you ritual-ing up an evil place? To cure it, or is this a party of villains?
03:15:51 ER: We basically got a plot ability to do a ritual that prevents bodies from raising as undead.
03:16:28 ER: And the area in question is cursed to raise zombies of whatever dies there.
03:17:30 syv: Bah, you should just make use of this.
03:18:00 syv: Zombies are swoler than normal creatures, so you set up a slaughterhouse in the cursed area to increase bacon yields!
03:19:00 ER: those zombies are the corpses of our entire tribe, and the area making zombies was apparantly some kind of trap. We all started the game by being russurected by some spirit shit.
03:19:00 syv: With the corpses of people who die there, you could start working on building Deep Rot. Though you'd need some sort of zombie control ability.
03:19:32 ER: We get two backgrounds because we died and got stuck in someone else's body. :v
03:19:36 syv: Ohh. So it's a personal grievance against the zombie creation.
03:19:57 syv: Are both your backstories the same gender?
03:20:39 syv: ...Does the body have any say in anything, or was its prior occupant just killed off?
03:20:53 ER: ...none of us really asked that.
03:21:10 syv: That seems like an important question.
03:21:32 ER: Basically the personalities merged, with a lot of memories lost
03:22:01 ER: I think the new personality might be from someone hundreds of years ago?
03:23:39 syv: So Alm, and all the other characters, are actually composites of two people. That's gotta be a bit weird.
03:24:20 syv: What were the two people like? Similar, so it works well as one char? Or conflicting, so you get a mildly neurotic multiple-personality sort've thing?
03:27:22 ER: the tribe we were part of was all human. so the human side was was a hermit-type dude who seeked out arcane power, probably to help protect the tribe. And because power for power's sake.
03:27:54 ER: Tiefling side is a poet, and also the source of chaotic wild magic
03:28:52 ER: For the most part, she just wants to go and see interesting things. But the undead slaying thing is kinda important to the character as a whole at this moment.
03:29:53 syv: That sounds like the character would end up annoyingly sane. :(
03:30:37 Devastator: Yeah, I don't see any cannibalism.
03:30:49 Devastator: eh, CN tiefling warlocks aren't ever really sane.
03:31:10 syv: Cannabalism is an easy way to spice up a boring character!
03:31:14 ER: well, I was on watch and rolled a perception just good enough to tell something was happening, and my first responce was to shoot a firebolt at the sounds.
03:31:44 Devastator: Can I wait a day or two for death plane?
03:32:44 Devastator: Ooh, impressed Irony.
03:32:55 Devastator: "Shit, wish I'd thought of this."
03:34:00 Devastator: Dammit,
ER, please dissect stuff in the temple of the Red Scholar. We have concrete floors and drains, shouldn't be a problem.
03:34:53 Devastator: "Seek out ____ Trainer " in someone's minimalist game, Roll to get Swole.
03:35:24 Devastator: Ok, can't make you,
ER.
03:35:40 Devastator: Still, why make a temple if everyone's just going to cart the eye out of it?
03:36:04 Devastator:
PW getting serious with the plothooks in Cabal.
03:36:19 ER: It's not properly set up yet, and I'm not taking chances with this
03:37:05 Devastator: Hauling the eye around is taking chances.
03:37:18 Devastator: Dammit, Minor cost to make something a bat?
03:37:40 Devastator: Berzerker 3 really seems pretty useless.
03:38:05 Devastator: (Unless free manabolts.)
03:38:21 syv: It *is* intended to encourage use of charged powers.
03:38:53 Devastator: Those are all moderates, though.
03:39:01 Devastator: Can't really afford that.
03:39:33 Devastator: I mean, if cheaps are like 10% of moderates, that's like cutting the cost of the ability by a quarter.
03:39:43 syv: Of course
Dev gets the cheapest class and complains about it being too expensive.
03:40:50 ER: upgrading totem manip instead of mobility, because that increases my soul effecency.
03:41:27 ER: mobility 1 and skilled joy should be decent, especially along with the immaculate soul
03:41:48 Devastator: It doesn't have a very expensive ability.
03:41:52 Devastator: but it's not cheap to run.
03:42:40 syv: Tell me, which is? Innocent, who doesn't actually have anything powerful?
03:42:47 Devastator: Running Prattle 3 on Purity is cheap.
03:43:06 Devastator: Yeah, Purity probably.
03:43:18 ER: Cheapest class is Refine mortal with some techmagic gun or something
03:43:36 Devastator: Love and Joy are more expensive than bravery.
03:43:47 syv: By the same logic, Love is the cheapest class with Memento 3, just casting weak buffs on some specific ally.
03:44:20 Devastator: Prattle is a buff and a debuff in one, picking your target, and it's broadly usable.
03:44:35 Devastator: Free attacks and cheap cost buffing is really nice.
03:44:37 syv: Constantly just making people roll high is not very effective. Good in some circumstances, but unless they're spending a bunch of soul it's not enough.
03:46:13 Devastator: Still cheap for what it does.
03:46:20 ER: bringing manabolt to L4 seems like a good first step to effecency. Cheap cost for something with a decently kinetic effect
03:48:02 syv: Consider that two people assisting each other will typically both roll higher, and plain do more than one person buffed.
03:48:28 syv: So Prattling a CC user will be equally expensive and less effective than also using CC.
03:48:47 Devastator: I wouldn't prattle a CC user.
03:48:53 Devastator: I'd prattle the CC user's target.
03:49:12 syv: It's good if someone is dropping a Major manabolt, but even then only if they have low Joy and using that big a manabolt is a good idea in the first place.
03:49:43 ER: using big manabolts is ALWAYS a good idea
03:49:50 Devastator: that would make the CC user better at making the attack land, AND make it more likely for the target to not hit back.
03:50:14 Devastator: for cheap to no cost if you can make the target pay.
03:50:26 syv: Yes, yes, I know you're eager to have Sophia explode,
ER.
03:50:58 Devastator: Cre has nice cheap passives and expensive abilities.
03:51:15 ER: At dull soul I'll be relying on cheap cost manabolts if I need to hit anything
03:51:15 Devastator: Bravery is like Joy.. you have to pay soul every turn in order to do stuff.
03:51:26 syv: Fair enough,
Dev. I still say, knowing the statistics, that Prattle is more useful when buffing things you don't have.
03:51:28 Devastator: and none of the costs are cheap.
03:51:46 Devastator: How about debuffs? Can you debuff a witch with prattle?
03:51:56 Devastator: If you can't I can see calling it a lot weaker.
03:52:37 syv: You can debuff pretty much anything that has any degree of consciousness.
03:53:06 Devastator: ..yeah, then I would probably call it a very nice ability.
03:53:22 syv: I do need to fix Taunt and Martyr, though. Taunt *is* too weak, and Martyr shouldn't start at major.
03:53:50 Devastator: Give free upkeep for taunt, maybe.
03:54:11 syv: "Let me permanently have the ability active, forever."
03:54:31 Devastator: well.. yeah. It's the ability that makes stuff attack you.
03:54:32 syv: You can *already* do that with Berserker, hell.
03:54:37 Devastator: It's powerful, but there are reasons you can turn it off.
03:54:43 Devastator: No, you can't do it with berzerker.
03:55:16 syv: Taunt should be more than that, it's supposed to be a good area debuff as well.
03:55:33 syv: You can totally be stable while injured enough to activate bers.
03:55:51 Devastator: As long as you don't do anything.
03:56:00 Devastator: and if you have Taunt active, you're going to need to do stuff.
03:56:30 syv: It's an anime game, you can punch out buildings without reopening your bandaged wounds. ;P
03:56:44 ER: how injured does someone have to be in order to use Triage on them? Can I cure someone's papercut in exchange for snapping their neck?
03:56:48 Devastator: That would take minor soul multiple times..
03:57:15 Devastator: (I think I'd be happy if Berzerker reduced costs by up to one cheap a turn.)
03:57:29 Devastator: so I'd get some benefit on using it on the endless supply of Minor costs everything seems to be.
03:58:06 Devastator: as written it says that one cheap cost is ignored each turn.
03:58:12 Devastator: which doesn't mean it makes a Minor any less.
03:58:48 syv: Well, it's been cheapening stuff for Alida for awhile.
03:58:53 ER: Can't you cover the painless cost using berserker?
03:59:13 ER: That's essentially an unlimited buff once you get half of yourself blown away
03:59:23 Devastator: There's the drawback of being able to take less damage.
03:59:40 syv: Though to be fair, that mostly only means wound immunity, +1 cheap at L3, and a damage buff.
04:00:14 ER: Do goblins USAULLY pick the berserker class?
04:00:16 Devastator: Still wish I'd chosen manabolts instead. Those would just be better.
04:00:42 syv: I think Goblins are naturally Pures, they always seem to think they know better than everyone else.
04:00:59 syv: You should wish you chose a fishing spear, actually.
04:01:11 ER: And will probably end up exploding
04:01:28 Devastator: Yeah, that would have been a nicer weapon.
04:01:31 ER: snatching apocalypse from the jaws of victory!
04:01:35 Devastator: Was it worth the cost for the bat?
04:02:06 Devastator: in b4 I drop it. ;-p
04:02:19 syv: Also, you can keep that forever if you're carefu--yeah, that won't happen.
04:02:33 Devastator: Well, they seem to be pretty tough.
04:02:55 Devastator: they don't break easily.
04:03:04 syv: Oh. Yeah. They're Just Better.
04:03:18 ER: where did my first shotgun go, anyway?
04:03:45 syv: Same place all the chains, corpses, and blood went.
04:04:18 syv: Prolly also the same place Sophia's like thirty stab wounds went too, prolly.
04:05:03 Devastator:
PW is getting pretty blatant with the plot hooks.
04:05:08 Devastator: "You head to bed and attempt to sleep till the next day but you wake up sometime in the middle of the night. You blink your eyes and find that your little rented room is filled with a dull green light. It flows and shimmers, like light moving through water, and is coming from your little high set window. You climb onto the bed and peer out through the window; you can see more light dancing...
04:05:09 Devastator: ...around the city but it seems like your window is facing the wrong direction; the source is coming from an angle and you can't see it. You become aware of a strange noise in the air. A rattling, like dry branches in the wind, combined with a sort of indistinct fluting noise."
04:05:33 ER: bah, stab wounds are irelevent
04:05:45 ER: all the things are still in vaguely the same place
04:07:19 syv: I think her organs got rearranged a good bit, actually.
04:07:42 syv: If it weren't for the chains, some would have become external.
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04:08:47 syv: Just remember: God hates you and only lets you exist in his world so thatche can watch you suffer.
04:10:08 midnightjaguar: Choo choo ((chopper blades sound in the distance))
04:10:44 ER: *it ain't me starts playing*
04:13:23 midnightjaguar: Had a long week but a fun weekend. I was camping yesterday and got home a while ago.
04:14:07 midnightjaguar: Nope not a drop.
04:15:29 midnightjaguar: How have you guys been?
04:16:19 syv: I played Surviv.io for like five hours yesterday, scored nine wins.
04:16:36 syv: (I don't think I won solo even once)
04:16:39 ER: did you know that im a fucking badass
04:17:18 syv: Yeah, there was about a 50% chance whenever I died that Egan would just start rampaging through the server, kill ten players, then only die against the final team.
04:18:06 midnightjaguar: So we just need to clone
ER and we will never lose at surviv.io
04:18:12 Devastator: I'm available now..
04:18:28 syv: I was less of a teammate for him, more just a guy who'd let him win at the end because I'd suppress people and hold them still. ;p
04:19:02 syv: Aww, Kevin is torturing a cockroach!
04:19:55 syv: He ripped off all but one of its right legs, so now it's running in circles.
04:21:11 syv: @
Dev in case you meant "for playing surviv", I could try cellular, but I probably don't have the connection.
04:21:38 midnightjaguar: Comps still broken and the other one doesn’t really like any Io stuff.
04:22:00 Devastator: I meant that, yeah.
04:22:10 Devastator: how's the cat glut doing?
04:29:46 syv: ...That was directed at me, wasn't it?
04:30:04 midnightjaguar: I do believe it as
04:30:10 Devastator: You have all the cats, after all.
04:30:13 syv: Well, all females are now fixed, finally, and the kittens are almost old enough to be rehomed.
04:30:27 midnightjaguar: That’s why none of us have any. You attract all of them
04:31:40 syv: Rest of the cats are fine, about the same as always. Tail got a very odd wound on his neck a little while back, looked like someone collared him and he tore a bit of his skin escaping. Or, that's my best guess. Maybe he got stuck on something weird.
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04:34:05 Devastator: Looks like I was right in k6bd.
04:34:09 Devastator: keys make people beefy.
04:34:35 syv: Unless they're big and sharp, then they make people animu.
04:34:50 Devastator: also freakish hands and feet.
04:35:57 syv: Maybe Trump is a keyblade wielder.
04:36:22 syv: Destined to team up with Mickey Mouse and blow up the moon.
04:38:20 syv: Timed it, I have five seconds of lag in surviv right now.
04:41:14 syv: Aaand the game crashed while I was at rank #8.
04:41:24 syv: Or froze, or whatever io games do.
04:41:47 syv: I still had five bandages, I could've totally made it to the top five.
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04:48:11 Devastator: one game, one dinner.
04:49:04 syv: Died two feet from the exit to the redzone. I ran into a wall, and didn't have enough health for my movement order to get through and go around.
04:49:14 midnightjaguar: Hmm. I’m gonna try something new. im actually going to go to bed at a reasonable hour. Night.
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04:57:05 syv: I should have recorded that.
04:57:30 syv: #2, I got in a fistfight with the very last guy (who was spamming the laugh emote, as I had no gun).
04:57:43 syv: He actually stripped naked, too.
04:58:05 syv: But I got #2 with five second lag.
04:58:45 syv: "Fistfight" is also very charitable to me, since he wasn't punching back, and I was missing him by like five feet.
04:59:13 syv: I died when my sick dodges steered me into the redzone and I instadied.
04:59:54 syv: But man he had a badass fight with the #3 guy. Went on for like a minute, with them running all over the place and spamming bullets *everywhere*.
05:00:30 syv: I had no scope and didn't actually see anyrhing but the bullets, but there were so many that I'm sure it was cool.
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05:03:35 ER: the sign of a cool fight is lots of bullets
05:03:54 syv: I only have one second of lag with satellite.
05:06:10 ER: in fact, the more bullets there are, the cooler this fight is
05:06:44 ER: so if a fight involves ALL the bullets, naturally it will be the coolest fight
05:07:11 syv: So the coolest fight is modern society as whole?
05:08:00 ER: yes, and the second coolest fight is that fight in rebellion
05:10:50 syv: #4 that time, no healing items. Lost track of the redzone, so I didn't preempt running away from it. Was dead before I started moving, due to already being very low on health.
05:15:43 syv: I should watch that movie again, in full.
05:16:44 ER: three kills, mostly with punching and knife
05:38:58 syv: This movie really does have amazing cinematography. I can't make anything anywhere near as good as this. :\
05:40:01 ER: let us just never look at the creations of people with actual skill
05:40:42 syv: Also, the fucking constant symbolism overdosing.
05:41:10 syv: Yes,
ER. Looking at the creations of idiots is far more uplifting.
05:41:37 ER: this must be why people like things that I make
05:42:41 syv: You're more in the group that makes me feel bad about my writing.
05:43:02 Devastator: You make good stuff,
syv.
05:44:21 ER: I much prefer reading your things to writing my own~
05:44:58 syv: I STILL don't understand why the familiars are chanting "FLOR-DA" in this movie.
05:47:46 ER: well, generic urban, but it works
05:49:19 syv: Nah, it's not Miami. It's full of Japanese children and paper cut outs, and has no ocean.
05:50:51 ER: maybe they just don't show the ocean~
06:02:07 ER: well in MY fanfiction, it's set in miami :D
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06:03:21 syv: I look forward to Miami Refined.
06:03:46 Devastator: someone remaking Hotline Miami?
06:04:46 syv:
ER's refine setting, but innthe location which used to be Miami.
06:05:10 syv: Would make sense if the game is set in a desert, and is about wishes gone wrong after piling atop each other.
06:05:28 syv: "I wish it was hot enough that the ocean would stop rising."
06:05:34 Devastator: Wouldn't Miami be more likely to be underwater?
06:05:53 Devastator: "I wish this water would go away."
06:05:56 syv: (
syv) "I wish it was hot enough that the ocean would stop rising."
06:06:10 syv: That would be a slightly smart wish, yes.
06:06:11 Devastator: You don't want Venus.
06:06:29 syv: But Refine's not about wishes going RIGHT.
06:07:16 syv: Why does Black as a witch have teeth symbolism?
06:07:34 Devastator: some odd japanese pun about nutcrackers.
06:07:41 Devastator: or about the play, maybe.
06:08:13 syv: Pun seems likely. Google, I guess.
06:09:45 syv: "There are speculations floating around that PMMM was loosely based on the nutcracker fairy tale."
06:10:27 syv: Apparently because that story has a hero, who is injured, a girl who is nice to him, and them him going on to fight and defeat a villain.
06:10:54 syv: Which is similar in the same way PS is similar to
PW's MG game. Less, really.
06:10:58 Devastator: The cliff notes version of the cliff notes version of the cliff notes version of the cliff notes version, that is.
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19:51:43 Devastator: seems like you're pretty serious on not wanting a vertical dog. ;-p
20:03:48 ER: bah, go kill a witch of curiousity or something
20:04:31 Devastator: but this way leads to suffering! ;-p
20:09:39 ER: suffering is inevitable, there's no need to seek it out or create more
20:14:12 ER: I spy some problems in these death plane orders~
20:15:45 ER: with the cat vocal apperatus thing.
20:16:31 Devastator: Waiting to do that?
20:16:35 ER: because that gives the the ability to create very complex vocalizations, but there's no mention of changing their brains or anything to accomodate speech.
20:17:11 Devastator: decided to go with bees,
ER.
20:17:23 ER: And I don't think there's exactly strong selection pressure towards that sort of thing in the little plastic paradise.
20:30:10 Devastator: They use it, but only to make fart noises.
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23:29:34 Devastator: good job with yonder bird.
23:29:48 Devastator: If it was locked in a room it wouldn't have escaped. ;-p
23:48:31 Devastator: helmacron said 'plain' not 'plane.'
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