00:00:09 Devastator: MoO 1 is just excellent, though.
00:01:43 Devastator: Lots of gameplay decisions that make for a much better game, and it's very streamlined compared to most titles, so you have to concentrate on making decisions.
00:03:23 Devastator: Right now I'm not sure if I made the right decision, and it's really tense trying to find out. If I lose this planet, it's probably game over.
00:03:42 Devastator: (I won't have enough assets left over to hold out.)
00:04:50 Devastator: (It'll also mean I need to heavily defend another two planets, which will be a pain, as one of them is really small.)
00:08:41 Devastator: ten or so turns building bases instead of research will also put me further behind, which could also be fatal.
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00:10:43 Devastator: going to be doing some DS tonight.
00:13:25 Piecewise: Part of why I never got into 4x games is often they have very particular "right" ways to be played. Dominant strategies
00:14:41 Devastator: There's a little of that in MoO, but the tech tree holes and variable maps make for a lot of difference.
00:15:55 Devastator: Some things are similar, like you want to secure as much territory as possible, for example.
00:15:55 ER: I'd like stellaris for allowing for different civilization styles and not being all about crushing the competition in battle if uh, that were actually a thing it did.
00:16:10 Devastator: Eh, I think it's overrated.
00:16:17 ER: as opposed to being a normal 4x but worse and with pretty set dressing
00:16:29 Devastator: too easy, too simple, very little actual strategy.
00:16:48 ER: micro for things that don't matter.
00:17:41 Devastator: Reminds me of Distant Worlds, although they're very different.
00:18:12 Devastator: You can have fun playing it, but at no times is the game pushing you.
00:19:32 Devastator: I think the ironic bit about MoO is that similarity is avoided because there's only one victory condition, for instance.
00:20:35 ER: guess my ideal for a game is either one victory condition, or none. :P
00:22:11 ER: Like I'd enjoy a sandbox stealth game where you've got a whole complex world but the ONLY objective for the whole game is to get one thing and leave, and you know that everything you do is in service to that somehow.
00:23:18 ER: no chasing side objectives or score or the game judging you on how you accomplish it.
00:41:28 Devastator: Runescape money, so yeah, not-real nerd gold.
00:58:49 Devastator: okay, starting momentarily.
01:01:47 Piecewise: Not entirely sure who you've killed either
01:04:46 ER: bad lance and you should feel bad for picking it up
01:05:01 Piecewise: what is your sword at now?
01:05:44 Piecewise: How many chunks you got?
01:08:48 Piecewise: You should run across that dragon bridge and jump off on the left side at the far end. Estus shard thar
01:09:34 Piecewise: I know you ain't got it cause I can still see it
01:12:20 Piecewise: The way forward is drop off on the left side, right at the start of the bridge and follow the ledge around
01:25:36 Piecewise: Hey can you lower the game volume?
01:25:47 Piecewise: these screaming dragons drown you out pretty good
01:26:53 ER: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAa
01:31:04 Piecewise: thats an optional enemy, by the way
01:32:27 Piecewise: You have to run across the fire courtyard to an open doorway across from little area where there are the stairs down to the enemy who keeps shanking you
01:38:13 Piecewise: Dat is the right room and it is tough
01:41:59 Piecewise: Sorry to say the down stairs with the enemy that killed you a lot is a dead end
01:43:40 Piecewise: The good news is that now the dragons are dead
01:44:55 Piecewise: They were just being puppeted by the goo monster
01:45:01 Piecewise: you forced it to show itself
01:47:38 Piecewise: There's a balcony with a lever you want to pull to open the front gates
01:48:28 Piecewise: Are you at 6 chunks?
01:50:50 Piecewise: tryign to remember where you get a slab
01:51:48 Piecewise: woah, stream freaking out on me
01:52:11 Piecewise: nah, it was glitched out
01:52:15 Piecewise: fixed when I reloaded
01:52:59 Piecewise: so you're real near a boss
01:53:26 Piecewise: just through the big door you opened, up stairs to the left. fog gate there, when you're ready
01:54:08 Piecewise: There are chests down there and he drops a rapier
01:54:28 Piecewise: upgrade materials if memory serves
01:55:00 Piecewise: Yeah the greatsword knights are fucked
01:55:16 Piecewise: they buff their swords, and then another enemy also buffs them
01:55:55 Piecewise: And another caster is healing him
01:57:09 Piecewise: These guys all respawn by the way
01:58:16 Piecewise: Lothric greatsword is quite good
01:58:42 Piecewise: we can totally level it
01:58:53 Piecewise: you'll need some stats for it
01:59:40 Piecewise: To level it we'll need to unlock buying chunks and large shards
01:59:46 Piecewise: which is...not far off
02:02:26 Piecewise: So can you buy large shards? I forget if you got that ash
02:03:29 Piecewise: Well, the ash for infinite chunks is...past an optional boss in this area. And you are currently back tracking
02:03:51 Piecewise: you have been here before
02:03:59 Piecewise: in fact, there is a lit bonfire like right ahead
02:05:18 Piecewise: THere are two bonfires near there that you can use. Dancer's is easiest, probably
02:05:43 Piecewise: From it you go up the ladder and walk to the left of the room and boom, there's the elevator
02:08:02 Piecewise: So you got the knight ring there. It boosts Strength
02:09:05 Piecewise: The ash to buy more chunks is past an optional boss...two optional bosses. but one is a puzzle boss so I don't really count it
02:11:10 Piecewise: I will say that the sword you picked up and want to use deals physical AND lightning damage. Dunno if you care
02:12:06 Piecewise: ANd I think you should still have heavy gems to infuse it with...
02:12:52 Piecewise: you can just homeward bone
02:13:22 Piecewise: The closest one is the dancer. Down the elevator, to the right
02:13:45 Piecewise: One next to the silver serpant
02:17:07 Piecewise: Heavy gem probably best for you. or refined? One or the other
02:18:57 Piecewise: neither are good at the moment
02:19:42 Piecewise: it seems to not scale enough to make the base loss worth while
02:20:54 Piecewise: Well upgrade it and then open the window back up and look at heavy
02:21:29 Piecewise: 209+83 goes to 196 + 78
02:22:15 Piecewise: You see the red and blue number on the side there? Thats what it will be doing after the embuing
02:22:53 Piecewise: the second number is the scaling damage
02:23:35 Piecewise: I think thats because that weapon does split physical and lightning
02:23:48 Piecewise: which makes how it scales a bit screwy
02:24:44 Piecewise: It will work just fine as is. Honestly any weapon highly leveled is functional
02:25:15 Piecewise: You're not min maxed for it but you're far from min maxed in general
02:26:46 ER: how to minmax: just put everything into dex
02:28:05 Piecewise: they hid something below an elevator in ds1
02:28:30 Piecewise: Well, easier to remove a collar than a brain implant
02:29:29 Piecewise: Infinite brain implant works
02:33:34 Piecewise: Put the smallest most frilly hat
02:38:50 Piecewise: He gets pretty angry
02:41:00 ER: I can only see one side of this conversation, but I like the implication that he started ranting about
ER again with no provocation
02:46:27 Piecewise: His stagger is kind of a lie since he always hits when getting up
02:46:48 Piecewise: if you want to hit him in it, maybe try from the back or side? Might take less damage
02:47:49 Piecewise: Well, he slams the weapon down in front of him. You might be taking damage from the weapon hit AND the shockwave.
02:50:48 Piecewise: Your yellow hilted sword might do less damage in the end, but I'm not sure how much less.
02:51:42 Piecewise: it is pretty awesome
02:51:54 Piecewise: its the lothric knight greatsword
02:52:19 Piecewise: fashionsouls best souls
02:53:02 Piecewise: It has split physical lighting damage instead of straight physical
02:53:30 Piecewise: His design doesn't change but his moveset does
02:53:57 Piecewise: could ya pull up your stats for me so I can check somethign?
02:54:34 Piecewise: checking to see damage
02:54:44 Piecewise: I think they'll actually break even just about
02:55:08 Piecewise: lothric does 559 and zwei does 527 but the split damage of lothric means thats a bit higher than it actually is
02:55:24 ER: I still like the fashion on my greataxe character best
02:55:39 Piecewise: if you go heavy it says it will get 636 at +10
02:55:48 Piecewise: so heavy will be the way to go in the end it seems
02:58:48 Piecewise: Lothric knight weapons are considered to be some of, if not the best weapons
02:59:33 Piecewise: the lothric knight straight sword infused dark is basically the best straight sword numerically in the game
03:00:16 Piecewise: you lack the dex for it
03:00:52 Piecewise: its good with any infusion honestly, but has fairly high dex requirement
03:01:30 Piecewise: Physical is what you wanna look at for absorption
03:02:01 Piecewise: 5% difference I believe it is
03:03:12 Piecewise: its nice when the boss just swings over your head
03:04:10 Piecewise: He's anime-ing all over you
03:05:02 ER: I suggest animeing him back
03:05:51 Piecewise: The hat was inside you all along
03:06:21 Piecewise: The hat was the friends we made along the way
03:07:12 Piecewise: Try out the moveset, see what it looks like
03:08:17 Piecewise: Test it on a fire keeper
03:08:42 ER: pounded in the butt by dragonslayer armor
03:16:22 Piecewise: must get much better over the next few upgrades
03:18:32 Piecewise: So you can't go forward without killing the other lords. But we can go grab some chunks and kill a boss
03:18:53 Piecewise: from the dancer, head up the ladder and then hard left immediately after the ladder
03:20:35 Piecewise: And yeah, this is a dead end for now
03:21:12 Piecewise: the prompt was "Light bonfire"
03:22:38 Piecewise: there are chunks round here
03:22:55 Piecewise: once you get in the elevator, look for a place to exit it early
03:23:01 Piecewise: should be straight ahead
03:23:25 Piecewise: there's a flask upgrade and chunk on a little ledge thing there
03:24:49 Piecewise: I said I've beaten it like 50 times. Albeit it takes me like 2 hours
03:25:19 Piecewise: like 12 minutes or somethign I think
03:26:38 Piecewise: There are more scattered around in here I think
03:32:39 Piecewise: The next chunk is up a dead end set of stairs on the left side of the area
03:33:19 Piecewise: The king has been consumed by something
03:35:12 Piecewise: That elevator is the one you jump off earlier
03:35:30 Piecewise: You don't have the moss for toxic
03:38:44 Piecewise: So the next chunk is on the right side. If you follow the right wall you'll see it, tucked in a corner by some stairs
03:39:31 Piecewise: Also on the right side is a doorway that leads to another elevator that is a shortcut for the boss
03:39:41 Piecewise: so you can avoid goo bois
03:40:01 Piecewise: You have lots of boss souls to eat
03:40:07 Piecewise: don't need to sell anything
03:41:28 Piecewise: Well now everything costs twice as much
03:43:18 Piecewise: just more souls you're gonna have to spend for those chunks
03:43:55 Piecewise: Firebombs are 100 each
03:47:21 Piecewise: Look for a doorway in the right wall
03:48:10 Piecewise: ride it on up to the top
03:48:21 Piecewise: and progress through till you open a door
03:50:55 Piecewise: should be able to upgrade that sword
03:51:11 Piecewise: It costs 2, 4, and then 6 if I remember right
03:52:03 Piecewise: Good news is that the boss that comes up next is weak to lightning and that weapon does lightning
03:53:34 Piecewise: Do you have the stamina ring?
03:53:50 Piecewise: might wanna grab that
03:54:11 Piecewise: yeah, increases regen of stamina
03:54:22 Piecewise: I can guide you if you want, its a pick up
03:54:55 Piecewise: ran right past the short cut~
03:55:44 Piecewise: get on the elevator, look for a place to step out early, before you reach the bottom
03:56:41 Piecewise: follow that, leads to a small courtyard, which is right next to the boss room
03:57:08 Piecewise: past the knight there
03:57:23 Piecewise: I'd recommend bypassing them
03:57:27 Piecewise: they're a waste of estus
04:01:11 Piecewise: Its not the most embarrassing thing I've seen done in the last hour
04:03:11 Piecewise: It was someone calling me and complaining about Yukka mountain. And because I know about radiation, I kind of embarrassed them
04:05:55 Piecewise: Bethro? Bethro?! BEEEEEATHRO!
04:06:48 Piecewise: Good news is that your weapon is wrecking him
04:09:06 Piecewise: so he's optional. And he hides the way to two optional areas
04:12:28 Piecewise: Gotta watch out for that white mist
04:12:53 Piecewise: You need to roll back, not into him
04:12:59 Devastator: Thanks for watching.
04:13:03 Devastator: Was I doing that first time around?
04:13:15 Piecewise: nah, you always rolled into him
04:13:21 Piecewise: and just kept rolling in place
04:13:43 Devastator: So how'd I do it on that first go?
04:13:59 Devastator: Because I did almost straight-up murder him.
04:14:16 Devastator: anyway, I'll take a break.
04:14:24 Piecewise: If I remember right you got lucky and were never in front of him like that when he did that move, you were always around back or to the side
04:14:31 Piecewise: In any case, I'm heading to bed
04:14:35 Piecewise: you have a good night
04:15:21 Devastator: yeah, he did lots of charge attacks that opened the distance again.
04:15:43 Piecewise: sometimes things just go right
04:15:49 Piecewise: he's annoying, even for me
04:15:55 Piecewise: don't worry too much about it
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04:17:36 Devastator: Thanks for watching.
05:06:42 Devastator: I see
syv wrote something for that.
05:09:43 Devastator: still would like a song, preferably with explicit lyrics, to help with going werewolf. ;-p
05:15:07 ER: ...the boss fight music in bloodborne, with the ominous latin chanting in the background?
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05:28:14 MidJag: way more rock than metal
05:28:29 MidJag: It would be really shitty iron
05:33:55 Devastator: Yeah! Stole a planet from the Meklar. Had to break a peace treaty to do it, but they were about to break it on their own soon enough. I can take the diplo hit.
05:34:55 MidJag: fucking keyboard. I swear I get it fixed and it works fine for like a week and then breaks again.
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05:53:00 Devastator: A poor planet with five hundred fifty factories built for me.
05:53:11 Devastator: and a lovely 120 max population.
05:59:04 Devastator: It takes forever to build all those factories, too.
06:17:05 Devastator: (Sakkra weapon research, 186 turns into the game: Lasers (start with them), Hyper-V rockets, Fusion Bombs.)
06:58:18 Devastator: Well, I'd better annex them so they can't cast votes for my opponent.
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15:13:39 Radio_Controlled: Good afternoon you scamps scamming the neighborhood kids out of their pocket money.
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20:12:25 Devastator: Did win that MoO game. One loss, one win in two days.
20:16:13 Devastator: Whoa, chapter 3 of Sean Bean Saves Westeros has started.
20:22:09 Devastator: Sean Hits the Wall.
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23:42:22 ER: am currently playing The Surge, because
PW had some steam keys to give away
23:42:32 syv: That sounds more like cheering. >.<
23:43:25 ER: um, something like a sci-fi souls game. But with more tearing body parts off of your enemies and then attaching those to yourself
23:44:45 ER: anyway, go update your game or something
23:46:58 syv: No to the last. Pretty sure I'm just going to properly say that I'm done with it, because it doesn't provide any use to me.
23:48:02 Devastator: You want someone to yell at you about?
23:49:25 Devastator: Congrats on writing some of pumsys.
23:49:41 Devastator: but you haven't hit the point where we can issue orders!
23:50:04 syv: Yes I know and it shouldn't be this hard. Why is it randomly hard.
23:51:35 ER: you should read Dig's update if you haven't already,
syv
23:52:21 Devastator: Also, I don't get to issue werewolf orders due to Nakéen randomly being useless and not entering the labrynth with us. ;-p
23:53:47 syv: Little Artisan is dead, oh no.
23:53:55 syv: At least the murakumo is fine.
23:54:27 parisbre56: just say the stream was booby trapped with nukes. explode the labyrinth. start boss battle
23:55:04 syv: Nak wasn't being useless, (s?)he was just being cautious. Tried to prevent others from causing undue harm, and didn't know forward actions would result in people entering the labyrinth. Nobody aside from me did, I don't think.
23:55:09 Devastator: Also, going to stream some MoO1 tonight.
23:55:26 syv: And I'm going to sleep tonight. :(
23:55:28 Devastator: Eh, we're here to enter the labrynth, so I didn't see much point in hanging around outside.
23:56:11 Devastator: Aww, you could mock me for losing.
23:57:08 Devastator: I'm 1-1 over my last two games.
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