00:00:01 Piecewise: as opposed to skipping most of them
00:00:20 syv: You can't fight Gwyn until you've killed every boss, so that's reason enough.
00:00:51 syv: Also, some of the later stipulations kinda... well, they give reason, in the most double edged way.
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00:20:52 ER: i like when things have two or more edges
00:21:45 ER: O&S are going to have *silver knight archers* in the room, aren't they...
00:22:22 ER: my first thought was just silver knight sword and shield dudes, but that's not nearly cruel enough
00:23:09 syv: There's only five of them, don't worry.
00:23:43 syv: Silver knight are trivial to cheese, anyway.
00:24:45 ER: oh yeah, still need to kick lautrec's ass
00:25:03 ER: and maybe go back and help out onionbro
00:26:23 ER: it's kinda bullshit how iron golem's stipulation appears to ONLY buff O&S
00:27:08 syv: And here I was thinking it should've applied to every boss.
00:27:46 ER: also need to decide if it's worth sticking with claymore and shield, or if I'm better off 2handing black knight halberd
00:28:55 syv: Better off, always. BKH best weapon.
00:29:05 syv: Shields are for scrubs anyway.
00:41:36 ER: looking at wiki to compare the claymore to the broadsword for reasons
00:42:07 ER: why does this game have three different versions of artorias's sword? :P
00:46:23 syv: Two are the original game's version, and are only different insofar as whether the player got a cursed version. The third was added in DLC, and could be argued to be different because it was forged with a corrupted soul... though the reality is "so the player could cosplay artorias better"
00:49:10 syv: Also, the claymore is the best greatsword.
00:49:48 syv: ...Wait, you said broadsword, that's a straight sword. Oh...kay.
00:51:18 ER: broadsword is like a longsword but slashy. bastardsword is like a claymore by slashy. Zweihander is like a greatsword but slashy.
00:52:05 ER: basically all three sword types have two mundane options with very similar stats but different movesets
00:53:29 syv: I believe all the "slashy" versions (except the zwei) also have attack delay over their pointy counterparts.
00:54:09 syv: For some reason the zwei gets fast UGS stats and the best moveset despite being forty feet from the start.
00:54:15 ER: wiki claims that bastard swings the fastest out of the greatswords but, uh, wiki
00:54:31 syv: I could easily be wrong, I don't know greatswords well.
00:54:55 ER: maybe the devs thought that forty skeletons and a big boy would keep most people away? :P
00:55:21 syv: Zwei is fastest tier, as is the BSS (which I believe is tied with the longsword), and I *thought* claymore was in the fastest tier. But I never tested greatswords personally, because I don't like them.
00:56:14 ER: greatswords are great swords
00:57:53 syv: They don't have the poise damage, raw damage, or speed to be great.
00:58:15 syv: They feel sluggish and feel too weak to be satisfying.
00:58:26 ER: yeah, they have all three! ;D
00:59:51 ER: They feel just right for a shieldy knight character for me, being something that's not so dinky as a stright sword but still able to onehand or twohand as the situation permits.
01:00:39 syv: Can't even twohand a zwei? My dex char is stronger than your char.
01:05:38 syv: Also, zwei is very good, and I think it's 20 str for the washing pole? WP is very useful, if a bit stupid, and 4 points of str is cheap enough to take just for the zwei.
01:06:11 syv: So yeah, I don't make many builds that can't onehand the zwei.
01:10:17 ER: ...I guess my perception is twisted by beating the game with a GREATAXE, which is a very one-stat sort of weapon.
01:10:47 ER: also a greatscythe, which doesn't ask for much str
01:11:10 syv: Greatscythe is awesome. Though more of a PvP weapon, really.
01:11:34 syv: I have never been able to use greataxes effectively, it's just so... UGH.
01:12:20 syv: More, uh, "HHHRRRRRNNNNGGGHH!"?
01:12:36 ER: one, two, three, now you're dead.
01:12:51 ER: with a big satisfying CHRONG sound
01:13:37 syv: They're basically greatclubs, except somehow slower, and without the poise damage. And greaclubs already hurt to use.
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01:56:20 ER: guess I should stop dicking around and stream that shit
02:00:01 syv: Also I know the link, no real need to paste it.
02:00:46 ER: why is my stamina bar that length
02:01:56 syv: End gouge builds are the real challenge run.
02:04:38 syv: Admittedly greatswords are really good for these giants.
02:05:11 syv: As much as I personally dislike their attacks, the 2hr1 is the definition of a good attack.
02:06:28 syv: I thought that garg would kill your giant.
02:13:12 syv: You are ridiculously durable.
02:21:47 ER: maybe should snipe till solar's dead in that phase
02:22:44 syv: Nah, he's easy enough to dodge once you get the hang of it. Just gotta remember to counter his whiffs, and not grt greedy,
02:22:54 syv: S first is a hard decision, but a respectable one.
02:23:21 ER: well last time I kept losing till I decided that :V
02:24:15 ER: ah, if I keep doing this run I won't lose humanity
02:25:11 syv: There's really very little risk of losing humanity, unless you really like chaos weapons or item collection.
02:25:33 syv: I used QFS for about a third of my run, and never got below ten spare.
02:28:36 syv: Hah, saved by the cutscene
02:28:49 syv: O was just about to swipe yu/
02:30:57 syv: Damn, I think he headshot you with that lightning bokt.
02:32:08 syv: The music is great in this phase.
02:33:35 ER: aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
02:33:52 ER: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH
02:33:53 syv: You were doing so well, too.
02:34:09 ER: that fucking low damage lightning bolt
02:34:19 ER: he KNEW the right time to use it!
02:35:39 syv: Trust me, you want Power Within for this fight.
02:36:11 ER: dunno, didn't use it that last time
02:36:20 ER: when do I want to activate it?
02:36:46 syv: When do you want spoilers?
02:37:18 syv: Well there's your answer, then.
02:40:26 ER: I didn't use the shield too many times anyway
02:40:45 ER: and don't need the bow, as there are mercifully no snipers to deal with
02:42:04 syv: C'mon, you're human, bear those smoothskin hands!
02:42:43 syv: Wear some lighter pants or something, then.
02:42:44 ER: ugh, not used to my hands looking presentable :P
02:43:19 syv: Yeah, crimson set isn't exactly, uh. Yeah.
02:43:30 syv: Black sorcerer is the lightest.
02:43:48 ER: come on, that looks silly tho ;P
02:43:51 syv: Makes you look like a bit of a tool, but hey.
02:44:04 ER: I'm now a traveling performer!
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02:50:29 syv: The roll attack is much easier to freeaim, if you have the opportunity.
02:50:38 ER: I was hoping that I could power through the last of bigphase ornstein's health, which is why I used
PW there
02:51:00 ER: but it appears he escapes anyway
02:52:12 syv: It would ve really neat if he had a couple lines saying something like "Well, perhaps we'll do better next time, mmn? Don't lose hope, we can manage that pair!"
02:52:51 ER: the game doesn't often acknowledge your failure in that way, though
02:53:31 ER: only lautrec kinda taunts you about it, I recall
02:53:50 syv: Yeah. Very inconsistent in its handling of the undead curse. Half the characters seem to imply undead die only once.
02:55:04 ER: like how you can kill most characters without them coming back :P
02:55:28 ER: andre does say something that makes sense with how the curse works, though
02:57:16 syv: He's a strong idiot, though!
02:58:05 syv: It;s better to sprint to the right at the start. O has a habit of getting stuck on S if you go left, and that makes him unpredictable.
03:00:17 syv: Sprinting around him counter-clockwise is the most reliable way to avoid his stabgrab.
03:01:13 ER: could have done better there
03:12:02 syv: I was on the edge of my seat there!
03:12:12 ER: I have to kill a fucker... one, two, three, four, FIVE FUCKING TIMES
03:12:29 syv: I told you there was gonna be five of them!
03:12:31 ER: I'll get em next time, right?
03:12:42 syv: I probably also have to go after this next run.
03:13:05 ER: at least it's not silver knight archers... unless that's phase five
03:14:27 ER: kills legendary warriors several times over. Nearly dies to a shiny boy with a pokey spear
03:15:28 syv: I think you had ~20k souls in that bloodstain.
03:15:40 ER: I'm not tilted, I have just apparantly forgotten how to fight these motherfuckers without a shield
03:17:06 syv: Maybe you should parry him.
03:17:26 ER: uh, maybe the super darkmoon bros have left me unbalanced >_>
03:18:44 syv: Hahahaha, is that four in a row?
03:19:10 syv: One more and he's officially as dangerous as respawning O&S.
03:20:33 syv: You can do it. He's just a shiny man with a spear, nothing bad.
03:21:10 syv: I actually burst out laughing at that.
03:21:42 syv: Hahahaha, the VAGRANT nearlu cherry-tapped you.
03:22:09 ER: when did this fucking become hard
03:22:23 ER: I was clearing this shit just fine, repeatedly
03:22:54 syv: I nearly fell out of my chair, god
03:22:56 ER: and then I get a REALLY good run at O&S, and suddenly I'm bad at dark souls!
03:23:49 syv: There's a fix you can install for that bug.
03:24:07 syv: It's compat with SC mod, though I installed it first. Should still work.
03:25:05 ER: just seemed easier to avoid the problem than to install a mod, but apparantly I've just magically become drunk and lost 15 IQ points
03:25:33 ER: huh, maybe I *did* become drunk on victory after that good run
03:25:55 ER: uh, 5 minute break okay? :V
03:26:10 syv: I'm gonna have to go real soon though.
03:32:20 ER: remember how I said I was gonna get em next time
03:32:39 ER: well, this time I'm gonne get ther
03:36:25 ER: sir does-not-understand-stairs
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03:43:13 ER: and then I was dunked by a ghost-smough
03:54:38 ER: discovered that... I couldn't use power within at a certain point in the fight?
03:55:09 ER: not sure if that's a bug, or if darkmooneyness makes me unable to cast.
04:07:58 ER: ...it was because I was using green herbs
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04:29:31 syv: How many more deaths? One?
04:29:49 ER: went on a run to sen's to buy more grass, because I needed to spend those souls on SOMETHING
04:30:14 syv: Twinkling titanite is rarely a waste.
04:30:40 ER: one, then solare died and I realized that I was an idiot so I boned out with my humanity and souls
04:31:29 ER: yeah but I ran out of grass, felt I might want it later, and BKH is already +5 so the need for twinkling is not so great atm
04:32:13 syv: Though you'll prolly want to upgrade a couple unique shields. The SKS is invaluable.
04:35:42 ER: is the BKS comparable to the SKS?
04:36:07 syv: Yes. I think it's a bit heavier, but a little better? Unsure. Might just be higher fire resist.
04:37:50 syv: Oh, no, SKS actually has two more stability, and 40% vs 25% mag (I think) resist.
04:38:02 syv: BKS has 95% fire resist though, which is phenomenal.
04:38:13 ER: one more weight, two more str requirement, slightly worse stability, worse magic, but 95(!) fire resist
04:38:23 syv: Also, 5 vs 6 weight, in SKS favor. Still, very comparable.
04:38:47 ER: yeah, so BKS if you want to fight hellkite? ;P
04:38:58 syv: And that fire resist WILL be useful, I promise.
04:39:26 syv: Hellkit is just... yeargh. The only reliable methods I've seen for fighting him rely on cheese.
04:39:56 ER: flies up, burns you. can't explain that. checkmate athiests
04:40:44 syv: IIRC there's a buggy safezone in the flying fire attack, but I've never known how to abuse it.
04:53:30 syv: Ah well. You're still ahead of me, I think. Took me ten tries.
04:53:48 ER: I can get to part 4 well enough
04:54:26 syv: I could only do it by bursting down one of the two before the other spawned.
04:54:40 syv: Which is apparently at least partly dependant on luck--the spawn time variea.
04:56:18 syv: Well, if they die a couple seconds after the spawn, it still counts. Point is, killing them before the other is really involved.
04:56:50 ER: hmm, does power withing scale with the pyro flame?
04:56:54 syv: I maaay have had something of an advantage due to having >30 end, and FAP. But then again I also had 12 vit, so :\
04:57:19 syv: Once upon a time, it did scale its *damage*, but they fixed that.
04:57:53 ER: good reason to get a flame from both dudes, right? ;P
05:01:38 ER: got vaporized by the very edge of his butt stomp
05:04:13 ER: dear solare: please stop getting fucked up so quickly
05:06:44 ER: just second phase that time...
05:08:10 syv: Might be best to take a rest and try again tomorrow.
05:09:50 ER: ah, wonderful. my head "upgraded" again
05:22:55 ER: how broken would trying to summon a real person to help be? :P
05:24:15 syv: I don't thing it would work for their game, but maybe it would?
05:24:31 syv: Hackers can do quite a lot, and I don't think there's any unloaded effects used.
05:24:45 syv: You could summon *me*, I guess.
05:25:07 ER: yeah, trying to summon someone with the mod installed, preferably
05:26:54 syv: I'm pretty certain MP works.
05:27:02 ER: nah, I can probably beat them
05:50:27 syv: Hmm. 1 Stamina PvP. That would be interesting.
05:50:54 syv: Both people using it, I mean.
05:51:24 syv: As a personal handicap, you're have to fight a MASSIVE newb to win.
06:17:18 ER: still feel like punching O&S :/
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