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00:07:17 syv:
Dev, Steam's friends system was *always* forced when it was on. Setting it to offline didn't disconnect, it just hid friends.
00:07:36 Devastator: I mean the new auto-voicechat system.
00:07:48 syv: You could have and continue conversations with it perfectly fine if they were already open.
00:08:16 Devastator: seems to be, as I read it, your friends get your microphone output, all the time, forever.
00:08:24 syv: Doesn't seem to be on by default for me. I just tested, it turned on, then off when I clicked off.
00:08:54 syv: If it *is* on, I'm currently broadcasting my breathing to Egan.
00:09:00 Devastator: It's got an off button?
00:10:03 syv: I had to click a mic button to the right of text input to turn it on, then a new bar at the top appeared and there was a turn-off button.
00:11:12 syv: What's your steam account name? Add me and I'll test it with you, if you want.
00:15:36 Devastator: I'll take your word for it.
00:16:32 Devastator: Mostly because you aren't just telling me to not use something I don't willingly use.
00:18:14 syv: ...You're welcome...? I think?
00:22:16 ER: Ah, see, I assumed that you didn't think it meant that it was constantly broadcasting your voice to all your friends, because that would be dumb, useless to everyone, and it's not actually indicated anywhere in the update that it might do it; you just made it up because you're determined to hate it.
00:23:34 syv: Eh, I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. It's a new system, and
Dev undoubtably has an arcane setup; maybe it DOES automatically start VC for him. Maybe there's an odd UI screwup for people without friends. I'unno.
00:27:31 Devastator: Well, no, but it lists my friends, a voice setup that looks like it broadcasts to my friends, and no visible mechanic to turn it off.
00:27:42 Devastator: Plus.. that might be a mute button, not a 'stop broadcasting button.'
00:27:57 Devastator: although the new bar probably means it doesn't link you.
00:28:17 Devastator: And it wouldn't be dumb, it would eventually make people dependant on it. ;-p
00:29:02 syv: Yeah, I'm not seeing anything like a voice setup or mute button on the default page.
00:29:18 syv: I think it's acting weird for you. Maybe it IS broadcasting to everyone.
00:29:51 syv: Play Rick Astly on full blast, so they think it's intentional.
00:39:30 syv: Apparently there's a way to fully disable the new chat system? Someone in the comments of the announcement post said putting -nochatui -nofriendsui after a desktop link to Steam returned to the old version.
00:41:45 ER: hmm, having figured out what the date I gave for Denature actually meant (5.7 billion years since anyone started counting), why does "older than the planet Earth" feel disappointingly short?
00:42:10 ER: that date was "22nd Slate, 408, M-57DBD1"
00:42:49 ER: and yes, for whatever reason I've gone back to the fleshhorror game. >.>
00:43:22 syv: It's ALSO a good game, so no worries.
00:43:53 syv: Maybe it was just set a billion years in the future?
00:44:15 syv: Maybe humans really stagnate and it takes way too long to actually develop proper fleshorrors.
00:44:45 ER: Nah, it was set on the classic flat, infinite ocean-scape
00:45:18 ER: Hence why the date can be so large without me having to worry about the oceans boiling away.
00:45:34 syv: Huh, the in-game overlay isn't bad either. Downscales text even more, almost too much so.
00:45:59 ER: Dunno, something about that setting makes me think more about absurd timescales
00:46:17 syv: People are reslly unhappy about this update, yet I can't see anything they did *terribly*. Seems to be purely an improvement over the old.
00:46:26 syv: ...Was the world infinite?
00:46:41 ER: Because the ocean is part of the universe and not part of some temporary flying rock, shit can be REALLY old.
00:47:15 ER: I don't remember deciding that that world had boundries, so it was infinite.
00:47:47 ER: I think I might have decided it was literally the same universe as Ocean, but none of the magic. Because magic itself can change over time.
00:48:04 Devastator: Because people are always unhappy?
00:48:19 Devastator: Anyway, I'll do battlemobs tomorrow. Day off due to order issues.
00:48:23 Devastator: Friday I'll be busy again.
00:49:21 syv: Everyone's a goblin when they're used to something.
00:49:39 ER: they changed it so it's bad
00:49:44 Devastator: Sometimes they do,
ER.
00:49:46 syv: Someday DF will get a UI overhaul, and Toady will suddenly have no donations at all.
00:49:57 ER: got that with rock paper shotgun, they changed their site layout ;-;
00:50:00 syv: This is legitimately better.
00:50:02 Devastator: Needs one for military troops.
00:50:26 syv: Yeah. He really should've just left it with the old 40d system, it just worked/
00:50:55 ER: [tod howard] IT JUST WORKS [/tod howard]
00:54:56 ER: I feel like my "THEY CHANGED IT SO IT'S BAD" is justified with the RPS site though, because they changed from nice dark colors to a lot of blinding white for the background. Annoyingly, they did this along with a line in the blogpost that went something like "gaming is for everyone, so we opened up the curtains!"
00:55:32 ER: Like, actually, the accessability of gaming has nothing to do with how much the background hurts to look at.
00:58:59 Devastator: It's better on your phone during the day, though.
00:59:04 Devastator: ..which is why they did it.
00:59:09 syv: Agreed, black is absolutely better.
00:59:31 syv: Woah, dude, let's tone down the phone love a bit?
01:00:05 syv: I mean, I think my phone's pretty swell, but, uh, prolly shouldn't stick anything important inside expensive electronic devices.
01:00:49 ER: WHOSE FUCKING IDEA WAS IT, TO ALLOW ANYONE TO CONTACT ME WHENEVER THEY DAMN WELL WANT, AT WHICH POINT I HAVE TO HOLD A CONVERSATION WITH SOMEONE I CAN'T SEE OVER A BAD VOICE CONNECTION WHILE HOLDING AN AWKWARD BLOCK TO MY HEAD
01:01:11 ER: And now, they made them portible so that people can bother you even when you leave home!
01:01:49 ER: And then they gave them actually useful features, so that everyone needs to have one and cannot opt out of the constant possibility of unwanted social interaction.
01:02:45 syv: Simple way to avoid that. Hit the red button and send a text saying "Sry, bit busy. What did you want?
01:03:17 syv: Congratulations, now nobody will talk to you by methods other than texts which you can ignore at your leisure.
01:03:25 ER: thank tech god for red buttons
01:03:48 Devastator: like people actually call you anymore.
01:04:01 Devastator: my experience has been all texts, which are like phone conversations except they never end.
01:05:56 syv: Eh, I get a fair number of calls? And text conversations tend to end far faster than IRC conversations, which I could hold over days with you if I so chose.
01:07:01 Devastator: True, but IRC is more voluntary.
01:07:33 ER: IRC is filled with people I LIKE~
01:07:34 syv: I feel the voluntary argument holds less water when you're here constantly, at all times.
01:08:07 ER: SMS is filled with people who just so happen to sometimes share physical space with me.
01:09:04 syv: True, IRC is tied to a group identity, rather than your identity. Sorta like Discord, but moreso.
01:12:18 Devastator: I'm logged in constantly, but I'm not always here at all hours.
01:13:49 syv: Do you answer all texts immediately? I typically ignore them until later if I'm busy.
01:15:34 Devastator: The sound cues generally means I need to acknowledge them immediately, even if I'm not responding.
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01:50:31 ER: okay, what the hell is the big demon in Injury
01:50:39 ER did not plan this out at all.
01:51:22 syv: It's Taurus Demon, of course. Bestial roar, fight atop the tall portion of a degraded old city's ruins?
01:55:09 syv: I wanna climb onto that thing's back and jam sharp point metal objects into it.
01:55:23 Devastator: That's an odd fetish.
01:59:19 ER: ouch, bad luck on that movement roll
02:07:23 ER: ...that, on the other hand, is damn good luck.
02:08:07 syv: This is rather long even starting 33 minutes in, but is one of the best Arma videos I've seen.
02:23:51 ER: videos often are like little war movies :P
02:24:56 syv: Been watching "The Best Worst Idea" after that one, it reminded me of D-Day films.
02:28:39 ER: oh well, guess that's conductive to finishing the damn thing
02:33:23 ER: Dark Business is my favorite for Arma2 videos though
02:34:43 syv: Is that the one with the "supervillain" and the hostage in a scoutplane?
02:35:03 ER: it's a game mode. But yeah, that's the best one :P
02:38:59 ER: the other perspective exists for that, but finding it is harder...
02:41:00 syv: I've watched both, and it is indeed great.
02:41:19 ER: yeah, that ending is *high drama* :P
02:41:26 syv: I love the contrast between Dsylecxi and the supervillain, especially.
02:42:59 ER: the way that everyone else on his team is dead, so he fakes having a conversation in order to not get shot...
02:44:35 syv: I'd love to see a compilation of him screwing up. He only seems to upload his vids where he does well, but I'm sure he's had a few games where he gets shot two minutes into the first firefight. It's ARMA.
02:45:34 ER: he has 328 arma2 videos on his channel, surely some of them include screwups. :P
02:45:56 ER: I think some of his arma vids are mostly freecam spectating because he died
02:51:26 syv: I've seen that one, I think.
02:51:46 syv: That one had a hostage who they couldn't shoot but kept losing track of?
02:51:57 syv: I think they shot him in the leg so he'd stop running away.
03:01:35 ER: if nothing else, watch that last one
03:01:49 ER: under 5 minutes, but amazing
03:01:55 Devastator: I'll watch the first one you linked, and then maybe a couple of others.
03:01:59 Devastator: including that last one.
03:02:10 Devastator wishes he had that 4 hour alleg match recorded.
03:03:35 syv: The first two, watch his first two.
03:04:21 ER: when you have time, at least
03:04:33 ER: they're both long, and interconnected of course
03:04:39 Devastator: Yeah, I've got time. I'll watch a couple.
03:04:46 Devastator: too many to watch all, though.
03:08:41 Devastator: I don't know arma well, does that mean human enemies?
03:09:28 syv: Co-op means AI enemies, everything else is humans.
03:09:42 syv: Most of Shacktac's fights are PvP.
03:10:08 Devastator: I'd probably spice up that co-op mode in a dynamic server by feeding in a very small number of human enemies.
03:10:47 Devastator: I have seen some of his stuff before.
03:11:32 syv: Human enemies with AI subordinates... Hmm. Wonder how that would go.
03:11:51 syv: Or maybe like a five-man stealth team among the big AI force.
03:11:52 Devastator: either that or the occasional sniper or something.
03:12:27 syv: Yeah. AI snipers in ARMA can be pretty dang scary, though. Don't really need humans for that.
03:13:29 ER: AI don't know that they're not supposed to be able to see through foliage
03:14:12 Devastator: yeah, AI snipers can be really nasty.
03:14:19 Devastator: but they might not know how to flank or reposition.
03:14:51 ER: I think the coolest things happen with all-humans, and objectives flexible enough to allow for interaction, like those two viewpoints of dark business I linked.
03:14:51 syv: That is true, they're very much positioned in single spots.
03:15:10 syv: Yeah, ARMA is at its best when it's not really ARMA.
03:15:22 ER: They're not just shooting wildy at each other, because that's not the object. Maybe with a little side of roleplaying, too.
03:15:51 ER: how to improve arma: play a better game
03:16:22 syv: RwR is the same kind of game, but just better.
03:16:33 syv: ...Speaking of, does that work for you?
03:16:45 ER: dunno, never launched it :P
03:19:04 Devastator: less tactical, but more casual and pretty fun.
03:19:18 Devastator: better for us blind men.
03:19:47 syv: I'll play it with you if you want.
03:20:06 syv: Change that to "if you're willing." :P
03:20:40 Devastator: I kinda want to watch this now that I've started.
03:22:31 ER: hmm, alt-tab wasn't working, but quit and reopened and now it does
03:43:37 Devastator: so when does the extraction start?
03:46:07 Devastator: in that first video.
03:47:03 ER: okay, I have the controls down
03:48:29 ER: so I guess I could play with you
03:51:26 syv: Okay, I don't have the ability to run a server myself, so we'll have to join a public.
03:52:13 syv: I could *try*, but I'm pretty sure it can't go through the tether.
03:55:20 ER: maybe I can figure out hosting it myself, but too much bother right now
03:55:50 syv: Just need to port forward. If even that, maybe you're not behind a router?
03:56:34 ER: I needed to port forward for grief syndrome
03:57:08 ER: it worked in the end, but nah for right now
04:05:37 Devastator whistles the theme song.
04:06:49 Devastator: wow, those guys had tons of ammo.
04:07:03 Devastator: everyone in his group is empty, and those guys had like 4 mags each.
04:07:58 syv: Rearguard, and possibly a bit of cowardice.
04:08:08 syv: Pretty sure the command element was there, too.
04:11:41 Devastator: he had the brains and did the work, those idiots just sat there. ;-p
04:12:07 Devastator: That guy with the BMP was well-timed.
04:13:32 Devastator: Well, there's Die Hardest. What's the next good one?
04:14:26 Devastator: so what, six survivors in the BMP, and one dude in a jeep?
04:14:33 Devastator: I want that one dude's perspective. ;-p
04:15:19 Devastator: Ok, got the first one.
04:16:08 syv: I might actuallu recommend the second one, without the NVGs, first.
04:17:21 ER: Yeah, probably the one from the rebel perspective is best to watch first.
04:17:44 Devastator: The one I have is the guy in the plane, who is probably not the rebel.
04:17:59 syv: Also, it's a littlebird helicopter.
04:18:13 syv: The rebels don't have NVGs or helicopters.
04:26:58 Devastator: oh my god, is he trying to snipe the pilot of another plane from a helicopter?
04:27:02 Devastator: That would be a hell of a shot.
04:28:35 Devastator: "I'm almost positive that's the first time that's happened in the history of the group."
04:29:06 Devastator: Reminds me of the time we ordinary TTed a PK base, the first time that was done in over six years. And quite possibly the only time in FAO squadgame history.
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04:45:49 MJ: I'm only here for a second, takeing a break from work
04:47:18 syv: Taking a break at midnight?
04:47:49 MJ: Trying to get results before my presentation
04:52:29 MJ: uh, alright. Glad to hear it.
04:56:50 syv: Hmm. A beast cutter. Not my favorite, but it will do.
04:57:45 Devastator: Ahh, the glorious jungle tank division.
05:00:02 Devastator: two light tank brigades, an armoured car brigade, and an engineering brigade.
05:00:15 ER: Well
MJ, what are you doing with that demon of yours?
05:00:30 MJ: Explode, because I need to get back to work.
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05:01:35 Devastator: was that plane carrying the hostages?
05:11:04 Devastator: So where's the rebel p.o.v for that?
05:11:19 ER: [00:16] <
syv> I might actuallu recommend the second one, without the NVGs, first.
05:15:26 Devastator: 'you're missing the fucking hostages'
05:15:56 Devastator: "The only person who can bring that plane down is me."
05:19:57 Devastator: 27 minutes of bluffing.
05:21:20 Devastator: Nah, I'll watch a little of that second video, and then move on to something.
05:25:13 Devastator: okay, flipped through that one a bit, is there another one that's good?
05:48:57 ER: hey
syv, what powers would you execute me for not copying directly from PS to Refine? :V
05:49:23 syv: Which powers do I demand you steal, you mean?
05:50:12 syv: Teleportation, Semblance or Mimicry. One of the two is necessary.
05:51:04 syv: That is, TP is a definite requirement, but you can take either of the fleshorror abilities. Or both, just, only one is *required*.
05:51:49 ER: somehow managed to forget teleport, I'll be sure to get both flesh horror things in
05:52:15 ER: among additional transformation abilities, because transformation is fun. :3
05:56:23 Devastator: Teleporting fleshhorrors? Well, that's game.
05:57:00 ER: ...those are STILL different classes, you know
06:00:25 Devastator: of course not. The game hasn't been written yet.
06:10:36 ER: so bravery is supposed to be pretty much DEUS VULT right
06:11:30 syv: Paladin/Berserker tank. Anime hero.
06:12:29 syv: The whole bunch of sustained abilities is supposed to be based off the stupid trope of characters screaming and charging for awhile before actually doing anything.
06:13:03 ER: shopping list power confirmed
06:14:09 syv: DD Crusaders are real awesome, though.
06:15:01 ER: ...maybe I need to manipulate Radio into joining my game as a deus vult Defiance character
06:15:51 syv: Ooh! Give Defiance a damage-return ability. Like, activate one turn, then next all damage directed at you is reflected.
06:16:16 syv: Straight up immediate damage reflect would be too OP, though. "I survive, and also kill you" button.
06:17:04 ER: ...actually already have something kinda like that for them, but damage reflection would have to be a Refined version of the power
06:17:07 Devastator: "I feel sorry for the guy who tries to take Dslyexci prisoner."
06:17:22 ER: right now it's just "ignore any damage from ONE thing this turn"
06:18:12 syv: Bah. Nah, gotta make it from the other side. "How do I make this awesome?", not "How do I keep this balanced?"
06:18:46 ER: I mean, that's why I made it like that, because parrying the ground is cool.
06:19:26 ER: "FUCK your final attack, I parry it"
06:20:10 syv: ...Also potentially spammable, come to think of it. What's to stop someone from using this every round? Too expensive? That might work I guess. If it is usable in tandem.
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06:32:32 ER: Also, creatives should have the power to make the car a literal second body, don't you agree?~
06:33:18 ER: well, any functional car, but I'm probably going to give the players one
06:33:44 syv: Oh. As in mimicing a vehicle as one of the shapes? Yeah, no problem with that.
06:34:49 ER: No, as in, if you just so happen to find an empty, but functional body somewhere, you can adopt it and use it as a body, just like your normal one. After attuning to it for a cost.
06:36:45 syv: Ehhh, nyeh, no. Unless it basically a cheaper regen and cosmetic change. Actual second bodies, with like remote manipulation and such, are very bad. Especially if they can be cast through.
06:37:36 Devastator: I blocked the earth.
06:37:41 syv: So you can't be using multiple bodies at the same time?
06:37:48 ER: It's not remote, you just have one body hand the gem to the other
06:38:40 syv: Ah. So yeah, basically just a cheaper, cosmetically different regen.
06:47:55 ER: yay time to write descriptions for 43 powers! -_-
06:49:09 syv: It gets to be straightforward after awhile. Just don't try too hard; somewhat poor is perfectly fine.
06:50:17 ER: jk I'll send you a confusing PM with the whole list sans descriptions, go to sleep, and do it later.
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11:55:11 Ozzers: looks like Freddie is starting to get a feel for ... feeling.
11:55:48 Ozzers: Dibs on Emp's character, his corpse, and his words
12:04:43 Devastator: Pretty bad luck, though. Looks like Gen Knowledge checks and speed checks for movement for a while.
12:13:47 Devastator: I'm fine if you want to handle Emp's character while he's gone.
12:13:51 Devastator: I'll take it if you don't.
12:19:17 Ozzers: oh sorry, I wandered away for a minute\
12:20:12 Ozzers: i can handle Emp's character, But I think it would be best to either put him in stasis or just remove him, becuase Emp says it's due t owriting a thesis
12:20:17 Ozzers: and that might be a long slog
12:24:35 Ozzers: Yeah, Freddie had a couple bad rolls, but he's coming out of it. He's sensing his tail now, and rolled on his back wihtout issue
12:25:06 Ozzers: he's coming along. He might be able to go on the next mision, if he doesn't mind being a bit of a liability
12:25:57 Devastator: Testing the firebreath would be a requirement for that.
12:27:35 Devastator: plus he can't fly or walk, and is generally too big to carry.
12:29:28 Devastator: There's liability and then there's being unable to move.
12:37:55 Ozzers: he might be able to hobble along by then. But sure, firebreath first
12:40:09 Devastator: hobble seems pretty bad.
12:40:16 Devastator: 'Look sir, stairs!'
12:43:07 Devastator: Yeah, it'll be firebreath and at least able to move better than dragging himself along one wing at a time.
12:43:27 Devastator: Without either of those it's not being a liability, it's being suicidal.
12:55:14 Devastator: I'll see what shape he's in, but it seems pretty unlikely.
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14:40:14 Radio_Controlled: Heyo my histrionic handymen.
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16:43:43 Radio_Controlled: Rereading some of Derek Lowe's blog. Never stops being entertaining.
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20:06:37 ER: I just watched 8 minutes in but that already makes me want to install that mod and play it without spoilers.
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