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03:27:24 MidJag: heh, presumably the sky could be considered up
03:27:38 ER: but there's sky in every direction
03:29:00 MidJag: hmm, I don't have a witty counter to that.
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03:45:06 MidJag: indeed, like the turn of the tides I have returned
03:46:13 syv: If the ice caps melt, will you be around more often?
03:47:16 MidJag: Since my house will likelly be underwater yes.
03:47:45 syv: We should set up a club, then.
03:47:50 ER: haha, I have the high ground
03:47:58 ER: and am underestimating your power
03:48:33 MidJag: This ones in an another language
03:48:37 syv: Everyone ALWAYS underestimates the sighs!
03:49:53 ER: anyway, I'll repost this because musing in IRC probably has a higher success rate than musing in discord
03:49:53 ER: [11:43 PM]
ER: idea for a very silly RTD system
03:49:54 ER: [11:44 PM]
ER: any test is just 1d6, and you have stats/skills that give you a flat bonus to that roll.
03:49:54 ER: [11:45 PM]
ER: but if you roll above 6, you add 1 "absurdity" to the end result, and roll again at one lower skill level.
03:49:54 ER: [11:45 PM]
ER: repeat until you get a result between 1-6
03:49:54 ER: [11:46 PM]
ER: as you become more powerful, you're less likely to fuck up, more likely to do something crazy, and if you DO fuck up, it'll be wonderfully over the top
03:50:26 syv: Sounds like it needs automation/
03:51:04 ER: not really *needs*, it's at most as many d6 rolls as you have bonus
03:51:30 ER: which should probably not go past +6 for sanity's sake
03:51:53 MidJag: Also reminder, both of you should update your games. :P
03:52:04 ER: quite possibly less than denature/that ocean test we did on IRC
03:52:18 syv: Actually, now it's "
syv should update both of your games"
03:52:19 ER: no,
syv should update both our games
03:52:40 syv: I took over P&P. And basically nobody's posted, so it's still dead anyway.
03:53:21 syv: This video is very strange,
MJ.
03:53:30 syv: And did you ever get RwR working?
03:54:40 MidJag: No, essentially nothing I've tried this week has worked. That includes my most of my essay, my assay and my general sanity as a result of both of those :P
03:55:16 ER: nobody needs that shit anyways
03:55:28 ER: gets in the way of letting chaos reign
03:55:38 syv: It's nice to have anyway though.
04:00:20 syv: Just about done. Very weird; I was originally going to link Carameldansen when you said "weird eastern european music", but no, this is way weirder.
04:00:44 MidJag: It kinda reminds me of unreal world
04:01:08 syv: Yeah, seems to be going for a very primal nature tone.
04:01:49 MidJag: I have no idea if any of the costumes are at all accurate. though I proabably should know/can find out.
04:02:18 syv: They seem rather overdone and silly, and also the background people barely have anything.
04:02:49 syv: Think the one guy was wearing glasses, just looked like one of the Beatles sitting in tne background.
04:03:04 MidJag: heh, I didn't look at much of the video just listened.
04:15:03 ER: "what happens when they open the door?"
04:15:23 syv: "Yes, those are receivers." "What? I don't see any gun parts!"
04:17:10 syv: Not sure whether that tagline's neat or unwieldy, myself.
04:17:52 ER: well, I like it, but I also only felt like quoting the second half <.<
04:18:12 ER: but the second half doesn't mean as much without the first so eh
04:19:18 syv: Isn't refine a setting where the door's been flung open and the house set on fire already?
04:20:54 ER: I'd say it's more like a darksouls style "only embers remain" and the things from beyond are there but they really don't want to bother when everything's dying around
04:22:43 ER: I do plan on finding a lone cutebae in the desert who was left behind by the others, and in its time on earth has "learned the meaning of friendship" and thus became even more of a terrifying eldritch beast
04:23:43 syv: It did say that in the Cuubae race, emotions were a mental disorder~
04:24:17 ER: I thought they were more of an unknown anomaly
04:24:21 syv: Yeah, when explaining to Pink about how things work.
04:24:25 MidJag: You can tottally have a mentally ill dickcatbunny thing
04:24:57 syv: It basically said they were a species of sociopaths with sufficiently advanced technology.
04:25:30 ER: I'm interpriting that as them being essentially eusocial
04:26:08 ER: like, all of the different cutebae bodies work together and share the same knowledge, but they don't care when one of them dies
04:27:14 syv: That would work. When one develops individuality and emotions, it becomes separate, which is akin to a mental disorder.
04:28:09 MidJag: With less knife fighting over the indivuality
04:29:25 MidJag: Hmm, I'm now imagining a society where literally every possible disupute is solved by duels of varying lethality and danger
04:30:08 syv: Survival strategy: Carry around several card games.
04:30:34 syv: Carry around two laptops and duel people in Dark Souls.
04:31:19 MidJag: I challenege you to a duel, five mintues later after a best two out of three game of dark souls, fine you, you can have my parking space for the day.
04:31:26 ER: oh yeah, I also had a rough idea how to implement dark souls ish combat in a card game using a standard deck of playing cards, because drawing cards myself would be hard :P
04:31:54 MidJag: Add some fleshhorror! :P
04:32:01 ER: spade is light attack, club is heavy attack, heart is block, diamond is parry
04:32:42 ER: spade, the attack takes as many "frames" as are on the card, at the end of which you deal that much damage
04:33:02 ER: club is the same, but 50% more damage and 3 frames end lag after hitting
04:33:49 ER: heart holds up your guard till you get hit, and reduces the damage you take by the card's number
04:35:20 ER: diamond takes as many frames as the number on the card, if you get hit within 2 frames of the parry's end, you take half damage and deal damage equal to the parry. if you get hit exactly at the end of the parry, your opponant is stunned and you've basically won.
04:35:59 ER: jack, queen, and king don't act like 11, 12, and 13. Rather they do special things determined by your weapon.
04:36:22 syv: So... whoever gets more high cards wins, pretty much?
04:38:27 ER: you draw a hand of 5 cards at the start of your turn, then select as many as you want in some order, and it's executed at the same time as the opponant.
04:38:55 ER: I figure there's use enough to hitting the other guy instantly
04:41:14 syv: Say there's ten frames per round, so every round you can only play a set that adds up to ten at most. Strong attacks deal double damage but count against your frames next round. Blocks negate the first attack that overlaps with them. Parries, if active at attack completion, make the other person discard their hand.
04:41:30 syv: And parries negate damage ofc.
04:42:44 syv: ...Hnm, no, strong attacks are flipped over, and count as three frames next round regardless of size. That's trackable.
04:44:21 syv: How much health do you get?
04:45:31 ER: Joker should probably do something too but I don't have that at hand
04:46:03 ER: like a feint that removes one of the opponant's moves?
04:46:35 syv: "Unlock and sprint backward; all cards played this round have no effect?" Hehehe. That'd be OP though.
04:48:09 ER: also, because this is probably just a system in a wider game, there's stuff I haven't explained. Like, between turns you back off from each other and can use items and such.
04:49:12 ER: healing, shooting at the enemy for a bit of damage, resting, pushing forwards for an advantage at the cost of no stamina regen
04:50:08 ER: all of this is, of *course*, just the melee system for a tactical gun combat game :V
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04:51:24 ER: just need to close with an enemy and then the fight music starts and you throw cards at each other for 1 time unit while everyone outside the fight goes into slow motion, reletive to you
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04:52:12 syv: Hah. Don't make me waste time on CQB RTD round 7 or whatever, please.
04:52:33 ER: also tactical stealth, and fultoning fools
04:53:33 ER: because when I say "dark souls like combat" what I really mean is that I'm STILL musing on RTDMGTSDSTCG
04:54:41 ER: roll to dodge metal gear tactical stealth dark souls trading card game
04:55:28 ER: it's the perfect game, despite being impossibly convoluted and unplayible! :V
04:57:06 ER: base building, research, tile based stealth, fultons, room breaching, rapid melee, tweaking combat styles
04:57:35 ER: missions for money, NPC subordainates
04:58:24 ER: oh yeah, and waitlisters playing as superpowered minibosses! :V
05:18:07 syv wants to make a random gun generator
05:19:57 syv: The game that was actually going to have the Borderlands gun company system was always going to use a pre-made armory.
05:20:16 syv: I've given them before. :P
05:21:01 syv: He apparently likes the design of the AK, and random bits from other neato guns, and jammed them together chaotically without any mind paid to how poorly that'd work.
05:21:41 ER: that was basically the inspiration for one of the rifles in P&P, which nobody ever used or saw because it's a bullet-spewer in a game about frikkin mechs :P
05:21:47 syv: The XM8 was a similar idea, one gun that could be easily and quickly modified to fill any role, and it performed terribly.
05:22:26 ER: mine works well because of space magic >_>
05:22:32 MidJag: I rember that thing, it was in a bunch of Tom clancy games
05:22:46 syv: Nowadays the AR-15 is actually kinda like that, but it's *known* for unreliability, and any significant changes require tons more parts and time/
05:23:09 syv: The XM8 looks neato and futuristic, it's liked pretty much strictly for that reason.
05:23:24 MidJag: IIRC AR-15/M-16 is relativally
05:23:50 MidJag: reputation for unrealiability is realitvlly undeserved is what I was going to say
05:24:22 MidJag: I mean once they fixed the initial problem at least
05:25:02 syv: Every AR-15 I have ever held jammed within three mags.
05:25:19 syv: Sometimes I couldn't get thirty rounds through without a jam.
05:26:16 syv: There's a few things here--the civvie AR-15 is much less reliable than the military M16 / M4, and unreliability is often more a manner of cleaning and ammo...
05:26:54 syv: But it needs such a high degree of care to operate well that I consider it unreliable.
05:27:51 syv: For comparison, I have put over a thousand rounds through my PS90, and seen it jam once, while being rapid fired through two 50-round mags. I barely ever clean the thing. My SVD has never jammed, ever.
05:28:42 MidJag: 'Fair nough. What's SVD based off? Or is it just it's own design
05:28:54 ER: hitting them with a greatsword never jams!
05:30:03 syv: Uhh. Weeellll. Technically the SVD is its own design, but actually I have a PSL, which is based off the RPD, itself based off the AK. Internally it's entirely dissimilar to the SVD in every way, but cosmetically it looks very similar so I just kinda pretend... >.>
05:30:49 syv: Don't judge me, the SVD is the sexiest gun ever so of course I'd pretend the knockoff is the real thing. >.<
05:31:20 MidJag: heh, I still say m1911's are the coolest.
05:31:38 syv: Pistols are babies, babies are not sexy.
05:31:42 ER: I mean, I can't afford even one gun!
05:31:47 syv: Also the 1911 sounds like it's broken.
05:32:13 ER: desert eagle best/worst handgun
05:32:29 syv: 1911s rattle if you shake them.
05:33:22 ER: also not a revolver, so it can't be maxed out on awesomeness points
05:33:31 syv: It's very disconcerting. I'd rather almost anything chambered in 9mm, anyway, it's just a better cartridge for most purposes.
05:34:26 syv: The Beretta 92 especially is *such* a dream to shoot, it is a top quality pistol.
05:34:35 ER: but its so coooooooool shive
05:34:38 syv: Gaaah I need to get a FiveseveN...
05:35:57 MidJag: heh, I still say the more common sidearm in MP 1961 is something chambered in .45 ACP, larger round and your fighting a lot of bigass things.
05:37:03 MidJag: Man, I need to figure out the guns in that game.
05:37:05 syv: Yeah, but MP's a weird world. IRL, .45 doesn't have enough of an AP advantage to matter, and the slight lethality boost is significantly less valuable than the capacity boost of 9mm.
05:38:02 syv: Even in MP, with how many beasts have bulletproof bone plates, the .45 likely underperforms. 9mm might be better simply because it's good enough for the unarmored creatures like bags, and you have more dead bags per mags than with .45.
05:38:11 ER: if it aint megnetically accellerated ferrous slug, you're not doing enough damage
05:38:39 syv: If your bullets don't set the atmosphere on fire, you're not doing enough damage.
05:40:03 syv: MP would probably have some enormously overpowered revolvers. .500 or something similarly stupid. It'd actually be necessary for some of the creatures, and if you need to kill a big monster with a small gun, that's your best bet.
05:40:54 syv: Sawnoffs with slugs would prolly also be popular, though they much worse range and capacity. And concealability, for larger sawnoffs, though the S&W 500 is just fucking huge.
05:41:59 ER: Jhonic's guns were probably designed for killing armored beasts, and she just picked them out cause they're bigger
05:42:41 syv: God damn, dual wielding S&W 500s. Owwwww.
05:43:21 syv: 's a handgun that hurts anyone who fires it *twohanded*. Anyone, even big meaty soldier guys.
05:44:15 MidJag: Hmm, I guess I need to figure out what exactlly the effects of helicopters are as well.
05:46:22 syv: Short barrel, but still I'd be unwilling to do that.
05:47:27 MidJag: Thogh look at how much her hand shakes holding it like that
05:47:52 MidJag: That's a decent chunk of wieght right at the edge of the lever
05:48:01 syv: I was not kidding when I said it hurts people to fire twohanded.
05:48:26 syv: That has almost equivalent energy to a full-size shotgun.
05:48:58 syv: A bit less, out of that barrel, but come to think of it, that means there's also less mass in the gun, so... gah.
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06:04:40 ER: Truth: Those who strive to find truth may not accept it when it's found, and those who avoid the truth will almost surely find it. Pure, powerful, but lays closest to Misery. For revelation is itself a kind of transformation. The dark soul, not unfriendly, and yet one may become lost in its depth and never return.
06:05:41 syv: Takes Purity in a much different direction than PS, but it works.
06:05:46 ER: craaaaaaawling iiiiiiiiin myyyyyyyy
06:05:53 syv: Is it still a commander class?
06:06:03 syv: Nah, the crawling class is Mercy.
06:06:17 syv: Have you thought up any powers?
06:06:33 ER: yes, but they're not in any neat lists at the moment
06:06:50 syv: Mine weren't until I posted the game. :p
06:07:01 ER: at this exact moment, I'm watching a video in which a man rants about the difference between clips and magazines
06:07:32 syv: Ugh, yeah. It's unbelievable how widespread that confusion is.
06:08:20 ER: actually it's more about the design constraints of why you would use one over the other
06:09:28 syv: Not sure why you'd make a video on that, it was pretty well decided mags win, years and years ago. Especially nowadays with polymers, clips don't really have much going for them.
06:09:53 ER: well, it's a little historical :P
06:10:36 syv: Yeah, I see now. His stuff is mostly historical, though from what little I've watched he's a bit less about being correcy, more about just being... fascinated with history.
06:10:51 ER: lindy is... I don't know how right he is, but he's entertaining to watch
06:12:08 syv: Entertainment over accuracy, and he's still fairly accurate. Though again, from what little I've watched--like three or four vids, I think.
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06:16:46 MidJag: I should be asleep, but I quite like lindy
06:17:02 syv: I probably got links from you at some point.
06:17:47 syv: I'm more of a modern gun guy, so he's not really my type of youtuber.
06:18:11 syv: Demo Ranch? Now demo ranch wins no matter what he says because he shoots things with a fifty.
06:18:44 syv: Also, modern guns are neater.
06:19:38 MidJag: He's typically pretty accurate, and talks like a really good history professor, someone who just loves the concept of history,.
06:19:58 MidJag: Also he has like anthropolgy stuff and ancient history stuff too, so it's excellent
06:20:52 syv: Yeah, he certainly loves his subject.
06:21:49 syv: It's just that sometimes that love and fascination seems to come at the cost of verification, he likes a concept and then goes "Hey, sure, why wouldn't this be true?" without really working on it.
06:21:59 MidJag: Well he's quite accurate as long as you keep him away from discussion of British guns in WWII.
06:22:31 syv: ...Heh. A bit of a nationalist?
06:27:41 MidJag: I'm still slightly salty about that. I mean the Bren is a pretty good weapon, but like it's the fucking MG-42, which is just truelly excellent. I mean it's 7.62 shoots like hell, hits like hell, just excellent. Now if we are talking the browning vs the MG-42 then like I don't even know.
06:29:07 MidJag: Whoops, told a lie, it's 7.92.
06:29:16 MidJag: the modern version is 7.62
06:30:11 syv: Nvm, was confused for a momemt.
06:30:16 ER: but yes, he does like that british stuff
06:32:02 syv: Honestly I still just can't get over the fact that the Bren has its mag on top.
06:32:35 syv: The gun could be amazing otherwise and I still wouldn't be able to take it seriously.
06:32:59 MidJag: Well I mean I know feed issues, but it is useful for being prone.
06:35:20 syv: That's not where the mag goes! That's where the sights go!
06:35:37 ER: but what if... the mag IS the sight!?
06:35:39 MidJag: Also intresting thing about Nazis doctrine, to them the MG was the cerntral thing that youneeede to support, whereas the allies mostly had the riflemen with Semiautomatic rifles.
06:35:55 syv: It's like a person whose arms are on the sides of their head. I don't care how useful it might be, it's not right.
06:37:06 MidJag: and then used their MGs in a support role, like the BAR or the Bren.
06:37:12 syv: @
ER I think the pan mag for the Bren might have done that? There was SOME gunnthat did, and it was a horrid horrid idea. The sights need to be rigidly attached to the gun, preferably as close as possible to the barrel.
06:37:48 syv: If you put the sights on the mag, your zero changes wildly every time it's removed, if not just by the loose connection of the mag.
06:38:01 MidJag: The italians had a twin barrel machine gun with both mags on top, IIRC the sight was between the two.
06:38:20 MidJag: Might have been the chaucet
syv, I'll check.
06:38:28 syv: @
MJ Yeah, IIRC german doctrine was that the MG was offensive; riflemen suppress, MG flanks. Allies had it the other way, the *sane* way.
06:39:03 syv: Though back then MGs weren't quite as different from main rifles as they are today.
06:39:13 MidJag: huh, coulda sworn the chauchet was top mag
06:40:06 MidJag: A BAR was essentially a worse Assult rifle IRC.
06:40:32 syv: Yeah, exactly. Battle Rifle, but that's just a caliber difference.
06:41:00 syv: I think I was thinking of the M960, which has the mag provide the rear sights.
06:43:18 MidJag: Oh, I've seen this before, it's in forgetten weapons. It looks kinda like luger with a growth defect and steroids.
06:44:35 syv: ...Huh, I hadn't realized that the M960, P90, and Bizon were all designed within a three-year span.
06:44:56 syv: Wonder if there was some weird reason everyone decided a high cap SMG was a great idea, right then.
06:45:34 MidJag: I dunno, without thinking too hard a high cap SMG sounds pretty good just in general.
06:46:18 syv: QCW was 2005, and that's the only other purpose-designed high cap SMG to leap to mind immediately, but it was 2005.
06:46:38 syv: Everything else I can think of is just the traditional design with extra big mags. Extended or drum.
06:46:56 MidJag: also, wasn't the P-90 designed in competition with HK
06:48:50 syv: It was. The MP7 (its INFERIOR competitor) is a very traditionally designed machine pistol, which does have a 50-round mag, but it's just a super long stick that comes out the bottom.
06:49:37 syv: Maybe the American 180 would count, as stupid an idea as it is. That's from the 1960s, acc to Wikipedia.
06:51:03 syv: "Let's just have several hundred rounds of the smallest bullet available! They'll be too scared by all the gunfire to realize it barely hurts!"
06:51:27 MidJag: Eh, can still definetlly kill you.
06:52:03 syv: It's still a .22. If it hits your arm, that's... not really disabling you or causing even significant trauma.
06:52:39 syv: Even if it hits an organ--which assumes you don't have even the lightest armor--it'll take awhile to kill.
06:53:23 syv: Even headshots against unarmored people aren't reliable, .22 is known to ricochet off skulls if you hit at an angle.
06:53:26 ER: if you pelt them with tiny lead gravel quickly enough, they won't be able to aim at you
06:53:43 ER: so you can suppress them while you walk up and draw your dagger
06:53:48 syv: That can happen even with larger pistol calibers, but rarely.
06:54:31 ER: imagine dying because you shot someone in the head and the bullet bounced off their skull and into your heart
06:54:34 syv: Though, a part of me *is* rather curious whether something like a 400-round 5.7 LMG would be practical. It would be tjhe king of suppression, though range would certainly suffer.
06:55:12 ER: fuck you enemy I have ALL the dakka go away
06:55:31 syv: I found an article a little while ago about a robber (I think?) shooting someone in the head, and the bullet ricocheting off and killing his partner.
06:56:12 ER: dammit, humans are better armored than I thought they were :P
06:57:16 syv: Yeah. Like, most of your head can take a bullet without being lethal damage.
06:57:50 MidJag: We aren't great, but it's not bad, nice little cage around the really important bits for the slashing, the really important bit gets a nice little helmet and everything else can go to hell for flexibilities sake.
06:57:58 syv: It's actually really common for people to fuck up suicides and fail to kill themselves with shotguns and .45s and other such big guns.
06:58:47 syv: There's a couple little bits of the human body where even slight damage is very lethal, but really most of it is largely unnecessary for life, especially with medical attention.
06:59:26 syv: Well, in the suicides case it usually means they blew off their face or just ruined a non-essential portion of their brain, so not really, but still.
06:59:51 syv: Humans are remarkably hard to kill/
07:00:17 MidJag: eh, we are also annoyinglly fragile
07:00:37 ER: life likes not getting broken, and has had a good chunk of time to work towards that
07:01:22 syv:
MJ, I find it hard to think of anything that's quite as resilient and long-lasting as living organisms like people.
07:01:29 ER: humans are like "screw everything else, let's just run really far and have freakishly large brains", but some of that stuff is still in there I guess?
07:02:24 MidJag: We also pay attention the most to people suriving things and tend to use medicine a lot more on people.
07:02:53 Devastator: humans are amazing,
ER.
07:03:02 Devastator: I just got home. I'll go to bed after my feet stop hurting so much.
07:03:15 syv: Oh, I'm not restricting things to humans,
MJ.
07:03:35 syv: We're durable compared to cars, guns, computers, lots of stuff.
07:03:39 Devastator: I don't think any other animal could do the work I've been doing..
07:03:46 syv: Maybe not so durable as trees, but still.
07:04:13 syv: And most organisms *are* super tough compared to all that.
07:04:43 MidJag: It's the whole regeneration thing that helps.
07:04:44 Devastator: Except the ones that live to catch fire.
07:04:52 ER: ants would be hard to kill if not for our ability to use massive unfair overwhelming force
07:05:02 syv: Strictly speaking, they're even more amazingly durable.
07:05:18 syv: Well, ants are easy to kill, there's just so damn many of them.
07:05:52 syv: Even then, it'd relatively simple (if work intensive) to kill the queen, which is the weak spot of the colony. I say, despite never actually trying manually.
07:06:03 ER: yeah, easier to kill than like spiders or beetles, because they're so gosh-darn expendable
07:06:36 syv: Aren't they only around a foot deep?
07:06:41 MidJag: That does make it a lot simpler
07:06:43 Devastator: usually more than a foot.
07:07:05 ER: hard to locate exactly, so you have to devestate a wide swathe
07:07:20 MidJag: and perhaps when the watertable is only a footbeneath the top soil then yes. :P
07:07:36 ER: even if you see the nest and have a shovel, if you hit it you're probably not hetting the RIGHT part
07:07:37 syv: Around here the truly simple way is just to wait for a particularly rainy week, then destroy the raft, though I would never ACTUALLY try that.
07:08:01 Devastator: they dig deeper up here.
07:08:18 Devastator: Any suggestions for Saeko's Gryphon?
07:08:25 Devastator: And yes, I'm planning on spelling it differently every time.
07:08:41 Devastator: only one of those three things is a cat.
07:08:52 Devastator: and it can be one of many types of cat.
07:09:28 Devastator: My second choice was going to be a seagull/housecat.
07:09:42 syv: Iguanamouth's got you covered.
07:09:51 Devastator: the seagull bit so that it isn't a picky eater.
07:10:12 Devastator:
PW linked that in his update.
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07:11:16 syv: Seagull/Savannah? I like savannahs.
07:11:55 Devastator: Hmm, I wouldn't do a serval, because they don't really domesticate, but that might be more tractable.
07:12:15 syv: Sealpoint something would fit better for color matching with seagull, though.
07:12:30 syv: Siamese I guess. I don't like siamese.
07:15:17 Devastator: There are white cats that aren't siameses.
07:15:34 Devastator: Sparrows are too flappy. I think it might get in the way of the harness.
07:15:43 Devastator: It would probably be better at taking off, though.
07:15:56 syv: Yes, but siamese are known for it.
07:16:55 syv: Oh, no, better! Napoleon / frogmouth!
07:17:32 Devastator: what are both of those?
07:18:14 Devastator: Nah, familiars are much smarter than normal animals, I don't need to pick a smart bird for it to be smart.
07:18:22 Devastator: although I can't buff the Int stat.
07:19:54 ER: raven griffon will start with loadsa int
07:21:00 syv: Napoleons are persians breed to half half-length legs.
07:21:12 syv: Frogmouths are bird which look really chibi.
07:23:13 Devastator: That's more like the horror griffen.
07:23:23 syv: Napoleon kittens are unspeakably adorable.
07:23:38 syv: The frogmouths do look horrible, though.
07:24:00 Devastator: Well, that's an idea for the seagull thing.
07:24:18 ER: half giant eldricth terror raven, half bunnycat
07:24:29 Devastator: I do like the hawk, though, they just seem perfectly suited. And Cougar, because they're reasonably domesticatable, and they like to attack with their mouths.
07:25:32 syv: Oh god, someone crossbred munchkins (half-length legs) with *sphinxes*, the skinless cats!
07:25:53 syv: Skinless would look even more horrible, somehow.
07:28:00 Devastator: I would never do that.
07:28:04 Devastator: and Saeko would never do that.
07:28:31 Devastator: I think that cat needs to murder someone for being brought into the world.
07:28:44 Devastator: cougar kittens are spotted..
07:33:12 ER: that looks like something The Thing would make while in a particular hurry
07:34:16 Devastator: horrible, horrible people.
07:34:16 syv: And probably think they're adorable.
07:34:42 ER: not people. disguised fleshhorrors
07:36:22 syv: Hah, okay, okay, back to gryphons. A manx cat would also be a good choice. Excellent hunters, with jacked up back legs. No tail, but they're very strong jumpers.
07:36:47 syv: I think of all people furries would be disinterested in hairless cats, short legged or not.
07:37:34 syv: ...I hope there's a subculture of furries who like hairless animals. "Skinnies" or something. That needs to exist.
07:38:16 syv: Are praying mantises (?) cats now?
07:38:28 syv: Falcon / jumping spider, if so.
07:39:10 syv: Jumping spiders are more catlike than mantises, so they count.
07:44:11 ER: if there's a wolf spider, where's the tiger spider
07:48:25 Devastator: Aren't there Tiger Crabs?
07:48:33 ER: throws nets, like a gladiator!
07:51:23 ER: obviously written by an arachnophobe, lol
07:53:15 Devastator: I'm not sure an arachnophobe could look at the pictures long enough to write the article.
07:55:50 syv: Somebody who doesn't appreciate spiders, then.
08:00:15 Devastator: I'm not sure about that, too.
08:01:01 Devastator: I think it's written by someone who appreciates spiders.
08:03:18 Devastator: Whatever the griffon ends up being, it should be satisfactory.
08:03:33 Devastator: I know lizard furries are called scalies.
08:07:29 syv: Googling it, apparently bird furries are "featheries", and "skinnies" actually *is* a term, referring to furry characters who in-universe are obsessed with humans. Which reminds me of an xkcd strip.
08:08:11 Devastator: Even so, that's stupid.
08:08:24 Devastator: In furry universes there's nothing of value in non-furry characters. ;-p
08:09:01 syv: I'm guessing it's played for humor? Self parody...?
08:09:21 Devastator: Who the fuck knows.
08:13:19 Devastator: Who the fuck knows.
08:16:20 syv: Considering we're talking about furries, you may want to revise that statement.
08:16:50 Devastator: Yeah, they's just read it as fuck fuck fuck already, so no reason to hold back.
08:17:27 syv: I still find it impressive how much you hate furries.
08:17:30 ER: fuck fuck fuck, fuck. fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck.
08:17:58 ER: it's supposed to be "fuck?"
08:18:17 Devastator: I don't like people self-actualizing by saying they must be something else.
08:19:09 syv: Yeah, which is... kind've a weird and specific thing to hate. I can understand finding it disgusting, but it's pretty innocuous?
08:20:07 syv: And you don't seem to hate other obsessive people who identify overmuch with things, like anime or MLP. Both of those, least in my experience, are just as egregiously forced.
08:20:09 ER:
dev you play roleplaying games on the internet
08:20:14 Devastator: The surest and quickest route to ineffectuality is to find something immaterial to blame for your problems.
08:20:32 syv: They just aren't--generally--about personal transformation, which seems an odd sticking point.
08:20:56 Devastator: I didn't say I hate all furries, or all furry art, or etc.
08:21:36 syv: You didn't *say* that, but it really seems that way...?
08:22:17 syv: I mean obviously you don't hate all furries. By some definitions you've given, *I'm* a furry. But the mere mention usually gets a vehement response, so.
08:28:42 Devastator: This didn't start from a discussion about furries. It came from you finding short-legged hairless cats horrific.
08:29:20 Devastator: I suggested that closet furries would own pets deliberately made furless, to show how much they aren't furries.
08:29:34 Devastator: That isn't that knee-jerk.
08:30:50 Devastator: As for other stuff, like obsessive Otaku, it's more that they've never come up in conversation, instead of me having no other hot buttons.
08:31:31 syv: They have, though. I've complained about the PM3 fandom numerous times, off the top of my head.
08:32:35 syv: Hell, I got you to *play a visual novel*--two, even--to less vehement of a response.
08:32:44 Devastator: ..my introduction to the PM3 fandom was from someone who knows very little about anime and was very much intending to hate it.
08:32:53 Devastator: You paid me money for that,
syv.
08:33:20 syv: Aaaand that means you wouldn't complain about it for some reason?
08:33:24 Devastator: I'm sure there are disgusting parts of it, but with that introduction, I'm going to give the PM3 fandom a lot of leash.
08:33:46 Devastator: ..I'm willing to do things I don't like for money,
syv.
08:34:04 syv: But like the entire point was to make you complain.
08:34:07 Devastator: Plus that seemed fairly tame. I don't think we even got to any of the sex scenes or such yet.
08:34:24 Devastator: I think you gave up on that after about five minutes.
08:34:32 syv: Which, I might add, you successfully did during the waifu bartending one... about bartending.
08:34:40 syv: Yeah, cause you barely complained.
08:34:56 syv: You basically just went "Yeah this is bad." and not much more.
08:34:58 Devastator: I've worked too long with the public to enjoy that..
08:35:38 Devastator: I probably would have complained more when I got to a sex scene or something.
08:35:50 ER: complains more about being reminded of interacting with real people while playing a good game than about playing an actually terrible game
08:36:18 syv: There totally was a sex scene in the first one, too. Which you definitely got past, though admittedly I tabbed away and muted it.
08:36:20 Devastator: Didn't seem like it.
08:36:51 syv: Was rather annoyed that it actually annoyed ME more than you. >.<
08:36:57 ER: Valhalla is a good game, yes. And I'll stand by that. :P
08:37:01 Devastator: Waifu bartending seemed entirely mundane.
08:37:24 Devastator: Probably better than the zero-interaction VN, but it didn't have anything that appealed to me.
08:37:38 Devastator: Other than pointing out character archetypes.
08:37:49 syv: IMO it still pretty well touched on the annoying aspects of anime fans, though not egregiously I'll concede/
08:38:21 Devastator: Most people in real life are pretty boring. There were some genuinely interesting customers I got to know, but those were few and far between.
08:38:38 Devastator: Nobody there seemed the least bit interesting.
08:38:56 Devastator: Oh, look, here's the whacky boss!
08:39:46 Devastator: What really would have gotten to me in the VN is the main character fucking the fleshhorror in a public toilet.
08:40:11 Devastator: 'Dammit, do you know how much it sucks when people do stuff like that? It's not romantic, don't do it!'
08:40:43 ER: at some point I lose track of what you were talking about, but please do contenue
08:40:52 Devastator: but creepy murder house with underage fuck toy is too mundane for me to come up with interesting stuff about it.
08:41:00 syv: But see, here, bartending is a button of yours, for a logical reason. We touch on it and you talk a lot about it. Furries are the same, even slight mentions normallu get a fair number of words. Anime stuff, which IMO is just as prevalent and annoying as furry stuff, barely gets mild complaint. Despite your complaints about furries frequently matching up pretty well to anime fandoms and other obsessive groups.
08:41:24 syv: And there's more words of complaint than you gave while that stuff was actually going on. :(
08:41:56 Devastator: What, do you want me to mock otakus who make out with bodypillows while surrounded by figurines?
08:42:08 Devastator: I don't -have- to. Other people do that for me.
08:42:31 syv: That's ever stopped you before...?
08:42:41 Devastator: It does, generally.
08:44:08 Devastator: Have I issued long rants about stuff other people have already done long rants about? In that same place?
08:44:48 syv: No, but then there haven't been any long rants about otakus here, so.
08:45:01 Devastator: Are there any otakus here?
08:45:10 syv: Closest is me complaining about the PM3 fandom, which usually peters out.
08:45:31 Devastator: I'm sure. Do they play forum games, while making it blatantly obvious they are otakus?
08:45:35 syv: You rant about Leng, though she's not here?
08:46:16 syv: kj, off the top of my head?
08:46:25 syv: The many many people with anime avatars?
08:46:36 syv: At least half of PS' players?
08:46:46 Devastator: Yeah, those seem pretty otaku heavy.
08:46:52 Devastator: I've complained about them before, though.
08:47:20 Devastator: ..due to them being ineffectual..
08:47:34 syv: ...Which isn't really complaining about the otaku stuff.
08:47:50 syv: You complain about the same stuff you complain about with virtually all players in games.
08:48:05 Devastator: I would have if I was aware of it. I thought they were just being standard issue useless.
08:48:12 syv: I think there's a couple chars you've had issue with, but only the most egregious examples.
08:48:23 Devastator: There are three not-me characters.
08:48:53 Devastator: I'm also defending random to Oz, so random's out for now.
08:48:58 syv: And you don't have to share a game to complain about Leng.
08:49:18 Devastator: I think my last complaint about leng was when she blew up in a game I was playing.
08:49:41 syv: Maybe, you have been better lately, and I haven't been keeping track.
10:12:47 syv: That is the specific thing which inspired my suggestion.
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