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03:15:48 MidJag: so you remeber how my spacebar wasn't working a few days ago?
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03:22:13 MidJag: Heh, well they must have messed with board or something when they fixed it because it keeps shocking me.
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03:28:24 MidJag: So what's up with you
ER?
03:29:43 ER: hoping something good will happen?
04:04:01 Devastator: They keep making it work less!
04:04:13 Devastator: want to stream something, but nobody's been available to watch it.
04:04:21 Devastator: (Go buy a model M. ;-p)
04:04:37 MidJag: Pretty much
Dev, they even scracted the screen this time.
04:05:40 Devastator: Document it for the interwebs.
04:06:51 MidJag: Eh, it's still under warrenty so I'm just going to keep sending it back until it's either fixed or turned into a pile of scrap.
04:07:13 Devastator: Man, though, they didn't notice it shocks people?
04:07:17 Devastator: That's just sloppy.
04:07:50 Devastator: Last one I fixed I called about a week later to make sure things were okay.
04:08:38 Devastator: Next time you'll get it back the battery will catch fire. ;-p
04:09:31 MidJag: Heh, that would be about par for the course.
04:10:04 Devastator: That's for next time.
04:12:15 MidJag: Each time I mail the pieces back the explosion just gets bigger
04:12:51 ER: nah, after it explodes the first time there won't be any peices
04:12:57 Devastator: Well, it could go BoFH style where they start sending it back weaponized.
04:13:02 ER: cause they loaded the battery with antimatter
04:13:34 Devastator: Magnesium inserts and a few sparkers.
04:13:44 Devastator: Anyway, care for a stream?
04:13:59 MidJag: I can watch for like an hour or so.
04:14:31 ER: Depends if you're streaming anything remotely interesting~
04:17:10 Devastator: Probably Space Rangers.
04:18:41 Devastator: only issue is the audio will cut out when I tab over to this.
04:18:53 Devastator: twitch.tv/kofiman19
04:21:42 MidJag: I like the glasses dude
04:27:40 MidJag: I would tottally play a game with a sci fi old fashioned space pirate
04:27:47 MidJag: with the jolly roger and all
04:31:09 MidJag: Ah, so like dungeon master
04:34:17 MidJag: Ah, so it sounds like fun could be had with that flamethrow
04:34:58 MidJag: heh so more like !!FUN!! than fun.
04:36:40 MidJag: heh, everything hates us. "Might be time to move"
04:39:26 MidJag: Man, I'm getting Mount and blade flashabacks
04:41:36 MidJag: These aren't the doirds your loking forl
04:48:09 MidJag: heh, not super hard I suppose then :P
04:55:10 AoshimaMichio: sounds like drunken monologue
04:56:17 MidJag: Nah Aoshi, that's every other thursday me :P
04:57:22 MidJag: For me, it's still techincally thursday for about 3 mintues more
04:59:10 MidJag: This game has some pretty good music
05:02:23 MidJag: ah. That's pretty cool.
05:03:42 MidJag: haha, that's pretty cool.
05:10:31 MidJag: Alright, I gotta go to bed
Dev.
05:10:46 MidJag: Got work in the morning
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05:47:41 ER: argh, a game designed for consoles, where your can duel-wield pistols but rmb shoots the left one, and lmb shoots the right one...
06:07:11 ER: ...yup, they obviously didn't bother changing the interface at all except remapping buttons to keyboard keys
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13:50:06 Devastator: woke up early in hopes of catching you.
13:50:10 Devastator: thanks for stopping by
Oz.
13:57:06 Devastator: Anyway, looking at Freddie it looks like he'll need a couple years of physical training to be able to move, as his brain needs to more or less rebuild its motor cortex.
14:09:18 Oz: oops, I wazs away for a minute
14:10:06 Oz: His brain is functional, including the motor cortex
14:10:18 Oz: it's the connection between brain and body below the neck that is off
14:10:55 Oz: and hte Heart is essentially cyborgizing him, so it is creating sort of prosthetic neural pathways for the bits it is shoving into him
14:11:12 Devastator: Yeah, so he's going to have to rebuild his brain to use it. Like a stroke victim.
14:11:36 Oz: like an amputee, not like a stroke victim
14:12:02 Oz: I don't know if that's a significant difference IRL, but i think so, since stroke affects the brain directly
14:12:19 Oz: whereas amputation affects the limb, leaving neurral pathways undisturbed
14:12:37 Oz: it'd be like learning to walk blindfolded or something, idk
14:12:51 Devastator: sort of? But an amputee is fucked while a stroke victim generally has some chance of recovery.
14:13:08 Oz: anyway, I don't think "years" is necessary to get him operational, unles you are talking full mastery of his natural body
14:13:33 Devastator: Well, it'd probably go in bits and pieces, but yeah, it would be years to regain proper use of his body.
14:13:49 Oz: an amputee can use the neural pathways they have to operate artificial limbs
14:15:33 Oz: also, remember, this is cybermagicpunk fnatasy roleplaying, not clinical studies of disability in the brain injured verses those with loss of extremities
14:15:49 Oz: well, what do you think then?
14:16:19 Oz: what would Freddie first be able to master in his new biology?
14:16:34 Devastator: Well, first up would be swallowing..
14:16:42 Oz: would he want to shed what's left of his original flesh and go with the bits the Heart gives him?
14:17:15 Oz: that would be relatively simple since most of the bits necessary are intact
14:17:24 Devastator: Then it'd probably be moving down from there.
14:17:52 Devastator: I'd probably look up a chart for spinal injuries and work downwards.
14:18:28 Oz: It's an unexpected, but so very you, way toplay
14:19:00 Devastator: Well, yeah, but that's death..
14:19:06 Oz: now, let's talk enhancements, eliminations, and alterations.
14:19:19 Oz: because this is also a rebirth
14:20:50 Devastator: Next after swallowing would probably be voluntary breathing, I think that's around C-4, so still in the neck.
14:25:22 Devastator: So what about enhancements, eliminations, and alterations?
14:26:46 Devastator: (I gotta run, putting out the trash. Be back in a couple minutes.)
14:28:12 Oz: Well, the Heart is stripping Freddie of dead material and broken machinery, and is sticking other things in instead. this is an opportunity for some interesting modifications.
14:29:27 Oz: And you are free to suggest some ways that happens. Though I think certain eliminations are gonna happen either way - the jet engines, at least one leg, probably both ...
14:30:27 Oz: even the napalm might go, though that cold be recoverable
14:32:21 Devastator: no firebreath is going to suck too, but I can understand that.
14:34:03 Devastator: If you mean firebreath but no napalm that makes some more sense.
14:38:00 Oz: one leg was pretty mangled to start with, and the crash at teh end did more damage. I'm not saying he doesn't getnew legs - or if you like, we'll see if the Heart can do something with his normal ones
14:38:24 Oz: but new would have a more direct neural link with his brain since the HEart would be providing htat link.
14:38:30 Devastator: Whatever happens to them happens, but making his new body with no legs wouldn't work well.
14:38:49 Oz: as for the napalm - the mechanicsms might be daaged as a result of the crash and explosion
14:39:13 Oz: that's why the turbines or whatever are gone - they awere pretty mangled by the rough landing
14:40:09 Devastator: Well, a chunk of it is me wanting to deal with whatever happens..
14:40:22 Oz: after all, that's why I brought this up - I want to see what of Original Freddie is essential, and what can go, and what NEw Freddie is going to look like as a result
14:40:24 Devastator: but yeah, the biggest lack is already likely paid. No more growing if cyborgized.
14:40:37 Devastator: So that's the biggest loss, IMO.
14:40:46 Oz: I thought it might be, actually
14:41:08 Oz: but you know a cyborg is a livng-electronic interface, not a completely artificial one?
14:41:33 Devastator: Yeah, inferior to either, in the case of a dragon.
14:42:12 Oz: hmm? Would Freddie wish to cast off the old shell and be granted a fully new body hten?
14:42:34 Oz: Frankly, that would be easier.
14:42:36 Devastator: Nah, the new body would make him fully reliant on others for upkeep and matinence, which isn't something I want.
14:43:05 Oz: Sure, sure, just like Clunkers. Got ya
14:43:30 Devastator: And yeah, there's already someone else with the artificial body schtick.
14:46:09 Oz: We've had more than one. More than one undead, more than one animal, more than one piece of equipment ...
14:47:04 Devastator: still, don't want to do that. Besides, full cyborg body would still mean years of PT.
14:50:46 Devastator: Also would mean no firebreath.
14:52:18 Oz: His current firebreath is cyborgized. But that's fine.
14:54:11 Oz: So, currently, what oyu see for the character is that he'll be: no longer growing, have 'natrual' fire breath, and has to learn his body from point zero
14:54:30 Devastator: Yeah. The sad part of cyborgization.
14:55:11 Oz: you seem to want wings, and some kind of legs. I forgot the legs
14:55:13 Devastator: Well, you said he lost the engines.
14:55:29 Devastator: Well, yeah. If you change the body plan heavily it isn't really healing.
14:55:58 Oz: Then you want to stick as close to the original as possible?
14:56:17 Devastator: ... yeah, I didn't think healing would involve changing stuff like the number of limbs.
14:56:34 Devastator: did you have something in mind?
14:56:56 Oz: I mean, part of it is I rolled that 2 on healing
14:57:06 Oz: so some of this is a workaround.
14:57:29 Devastator: I thought the 2 would be covered by years of PT.
14:57:37 Oz: After I rolled the 2 I was like "okay, is Freddie's mind intact?" :6
14:58:50 Oz: but hte 4 was for repair, teh 2 was really for "returns to life" to be perfectly honest.
15:00:02 Oz: yeah thats why I keep talking about the broken neck and Freddie's difficulty with his body
15:00:35 Oz: had that roll gone better, the HEart would simply have rewired his neck and he could heal more natrually
15:01:04 Devastator: Also, any changes would make the PT process take longer.
15:01:17 Oz: Do you think I voerthought the rolls?
15:01:25 Devastator: Nah, it's not unreasonable.
15:01:29 Oz: I can use the 4 as a straight up healing roll.
15:01:41 Devastator: Although I am miffed about the intelligence upgrade after I spent the points to do the same thing.
15:01:53 Devastator: I don't need that anymore.
15:02:12 Oz: Well, you, like literally everyone else in teh game so far, have rather misunderstood the stat sheet anyway
15:02:23 Oz: which is why I am revamping it
15:02:34 Devastator: I thought it was relative to the norm for the species.
15:03:10 Oz: so a +3 int natural cat would be animal intellect, but really good at catting
15:03:31 Oz: wile a -2 int super A.I. would still be able to run the entirety of Omega Base
15:04:06 Oz: but, being anER derivative, -2 means "practically cursed" so when you use that stat, bad things are likely to happen
15:04:25 Devastator: But not a whole battlefleet, whereas a +0 AI would be able to do the same.
15:05:06 Oz: so the cat with +3 is likely to have a lot of cat oriented usccesses, while the A.I might end up gassing the Entirety of Omega trying to order Frozen Chicken from Algeria
15:05:41 Oz: So, Freddie was supposed to naturally grow to beyond human average intelligence even with his -2
15:05:52 Oz: it's just that occasionally, he would make really bad decisions.
15:06:09 Devastator: That seems like a copout, in my opinion. A dumb dragon is an animal, because 'normal' for a dragon isn't really fixed.
15:06:27 Oz: That's why I forced the upgrade - yo uwere moving at too slow a pace, and the roll of 65 for "is Freddie's brain alive" gave me an excuse
15:06:30 Devastator: Besides,
ER made the stat sheet, and I don't think he wanted him super smart.
15:06:44 Devastator: ..but I was playing him as a dumb human since that stat increase.
15:07:19 Oz: this is how you wanted it - Egan makingthe stat sheet, me making the character, and you playing what you were stuckj with
15:08:08 Oz: yeah, I do see that you were playing him a bit more intelligent, come to think of it. You wnated to drive the mission forward, and the intelligence helped
15:09:27 Oz: anyway, I did say that if you had problems with how I interpreted the return to life, to talk to meso if you are miffed about the brain-up, I'll allow it to go back
15:09:51 Devastator: Yeah, I was kinda going to stop at reasonable for human intelligence, not going any higher.
15:11:53 Devastator: I can live with what you decide for the body, as the big penalty, that he doesn't grow, already occurred. I do think that having the brain cut off from the body is going to mean years of PT, however that's interpreted.
15:13:08 Devastator: I also don't like having entirely artificial bodies, as that'll either mean being totally indifferent to injuries, or treating the body like one made of glass, due to it either being trivial to fix or nearly impossible. And that'll add a level of external dependance that isn't that fun for me.
15:13:40 Devastator: It'll also negate all three perks, fwiw.
15:16:02 Devastator: napalm was a perk, which is lost, engines was a perk, whcih is lost, and an artificial body means the one I just took for the scales is lost as well.
15:22:13 Oz: all those perks can be reinterpreted or exchanged
15:22:23 Oz: but I won't go fully artificial
15:22:53 Oz: I'll put in a neural net, which will be actively reuniting Freddie's body with his brain
15:23:03 Oz: that'll give yo uyour learning curve.
15:23:27 Oz: meanwhile, he'll be on a sort of life support, like ol anakin, but with the possibility of outgrowing the need for it
15:24:01 Oz: need something to keep him alive until his brain can do it for him
15:24:11 Devastator: I'd expect that. The heart is semi-autonomous, but the brain will pick up the rest anyway.
15:24:28 Oz: as for the egines, nap, and scales, what would you like in exchange? Or would you like to hang onto them?
15:25:04 Devastator: Nah, losing the engines and the napalm are both quite reasonable. I'd like to keep the scales.
15:25:18 Devastator: Can I think about things for a bit?
15:25:41 Devastator: Maybe something themed for a second perk, but I'm not quite certain what would fit.
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15:30:41 Devastator: What was the last message you saw?
15:30:48 Devastator: Nah, losing the engines and the napalm are both quite reasonable. I'd like to keep the scales.
15:30:49 Devastator: Can I think about things for a bit?
15:30:51 Devastator: Maybe something themed for a second perk, but I'm not quite certain what would fit.
15:31:34 Oz: Puttign the neural net in allows you to keep your organic body, so the scales would still apply.
15:31:58 Oz: I'm not sure wht the last message I saw was. I should probably just open erlogs
15:32:40 Oz: hmm, none on the index since February
15:33:10 Oz: just cpypaste me whatever from my last thing to where I asked what I missed.
15:33:26 Oz: and yeah, you can think on what you want for perks
15:34:16 Devastator: yeah, erlogs is down. Poke
Paris, he was playing around with another bot earlier.
15:34:30 Devastator: Those were all the messages from the last one you made.
15:34:56 Oz: okay, the nI missed nothing.
15:48:54 Devastator: I think as for stats, I'll put some together once the new format is ready.
15:49:36 Oz: okay. have you looked at the post i just uploaded?
15:49:53 Oz: It doesn't have a full set of stats, but it opens the conversatin on what the new sheet will look like
15:51:39 Devastator: Hmm, seems fairly workable.
15:52:28 Oz: I think it's a reasonable start to making a sheet that works for the kinds of players and characters i get.
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21:35:16 ER: "Awww, don't start acting like Hannah! Then I'd have nobody strong enough to spar with! You know, when I challenged her to a fight, she didn't even answer--she just teleported behind me and shot me in the head. Like six times."
21:40:15 Devastator: yay! Ground combat missions!
21:40:47 Devastator: of course, I'm screwed. There are no military bases on the map, which means no promotions.
22:17:19 Devastator: well, time to pay to get one built.
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