02:30:57 Devastator: oh, cultist went down.
02:31:17 Devastator: I think there's a 3 strike system.
02:31:36 Devastator: first trial your minion gets off, second trial your minion gets imprisoned, third trial you're up for the high jump.
02:33:59 Devastator: in better news, my potatoes are growing well.
02:38:51 Devastator: of course, that only got to trial because a freaking demon of secrets failed to destroy evidence.
02:39:34 Devastator: I had another one get loose and eat someone.
02:43:01 ER: think I'll play some more of that Hunt game
02:45:40 Devastator: I kinda want to dick about with a new cultist for a bit.
02:55:35 ER: that was going pretty well till I stumbled onto a pack of monster wolves.
02:56:39 Devastator: That sounds entirely normal for that situation.
02:57:52 ER: went and got a clue, killed a few monsters.
03:18:25 ER: the armored things are... hard to deal with, solo
03:33:44 ER: Amazing how many times I can die without getting killed by a player. :P
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04:20:19 ER: I played a bit more HUNTSHOWDOWN
04:20:31 ER: Got killed by them armored fellows
04:22:01 ER: Only losing slowly. Not too bad if you get the clues, cause those pay out.
04:22:30 ER: Also you get $1000 as a reward for leveling up every level that you don't unlock an item.
04:23:03 ER: So if you buy fairly cheap boyes, and don't buy extra items you can go a long time.
04:23:08 syv: Apparently you get double pay if you and your teammate both survive. So even just finding a boss and then running away to extract would get you 200$, plus you don't lose anything.
04:23:36 syv is a bit sad about not extracting with that chain-revolver fanning guy.
04:24:00 syv: I thought if you tried you'd just be matched up with some random schlub.
04:24:31 ER: ...There's buttons for solo, random, and invite.
04:24:46 ER: Mind you it's not a solo MODE
04:24:50 syv: I didn't look at any of those buttons. >.>
04:24:56 ER: you're still being matched with pairs.
04:25:32 ER: But if you don't want to bother with randos, you can pick it.
04:26:51 syv: I think I'll stick with playing on a team. That way I can leech off of your ability to understand what the hell is going on.
04:28:06 ER: ...I've noticed that I'm actually better at that than seemingly most people, yes. :P
04:30:11 syv: Did you kill anyone, playing solo?
04:31:37 ER: Kept getting killed by the armor zombies and the dogs, which are very dangerous when solo.
04:32:11 ER: If you meet a big zombie at close range, by yourself, you better hope you can put out a lot of fire.
04:32:38 ER: I had a guy with the sawnoff and a sniper pistol, so I could NOT.
04:33:59 ER: also, according to the manual, the normal zombies are resistant to blunt damage, the big one is weak to fire.
04:34:37 ER: that butcher dude is immune to fire but weak to rending, so we want shotguns and blades for him.
04:35:10 syv: ...Are you sure BLADES are a good idea? He had a pretty big cleaver thing.
04:35:25 syv: Though my shotgun did seem to work pretty well, that round.
04:35:44 syv: It was just largely worthless otherwise.
04:35:47 ER: Also, the things with the bees.
04:36:01 ER: Try to shoot the hive part, cause that's a one shot kill
04:36:28 syv: Ohhh, that would've been helpful.
04:37:00 ER: Also there's apparantly an enemy called "meathead", which is big and headless
04:37:40 ER: can't see or hear, but "spawns leeches as sensors"
04:39:17 ER: oh yes, and red barrels explode, but the yellow ones leak flammable oil
04:40:05 ER: Pretty interesting how this game has a manual.
04:40:24 ER: Not the thickest, but it seems to go over most things.
04:40:29 syv: I'm guessing the meatheads are the really big ones with the lumps all around them? One nearly killed me because you ran past, and I followed, but off to the side, and I bumped into it because it was RIGHT THERE around a corner.
04:40:49 syv: Pretty interesting how you have to download the manual separately. -.-
04:41:08 ER: Mine just opens instantly in my browser. :p
04:42:05 syv: It auto-downloads for me. I probably have webviewing of pdfs turned off or something.
05:04:34 ER: Other things worth noting: when you go down, you lose a section of health permanantly. And when you're on fire you gradually lose maximum health, and if you go down while burning, you'll *still be on fire* and might burn to permanant death if the fire eats all of your max HP before you get revived.
05:05:06 ER: And as I understand it, those losses stay with the character if you escape.
05:05:45 syv: ...Well, one reason to not miss the fanning guy, then.
05:06:03 ER: So you might lose a bunch of max hp, get out, and then need to spend your character upgrade points on getting that health back rather than helpful traits.
05:08:49 syv: I suppose that DOES mean you can change up a hunter's health bar arrangement, at least.
05:18:34 ER: Though, I don't know if you can do that anyway?
06:09:49 ER: come on, you expect me to believe that I want to the shower and in all that time nothing has happened on the internet?
06:10:38 syv: Many things happened on the internet. A lot of them illegal.
06:10:57 syv: Most of them illegal, somewhere.
06:15:20 syv: ...Back to playing rhythm games, I guess.
06:15:24 ER: I hold no knowledge of any hypothetical illegal internet-doings
06:17:16 ER: if, hypothetically, any doings on the internet happened to be illegal, I would nonetheless be totally unaware of such happenings, as I have, indeed, never seen any illegal acts performed on the internet.
06:19:44 syv: Want me to find you some snuff videos of people being murdered?
06:20:09 ER: is there any reason why I might potentially want that?
06:22:29 syv: You enjoy watching hunters rip monsters apart in Bloodborne, don't you? Same kinda thing.
06:24:49 syv: That one isn't terribly gory, and it's muted.
06:29:24 syv: ...I wish I knew of a vioent rhythm game where you hack people apart in time to death metal or something. That would be awesome.
06:30:13 syv: But no, sugary J-pop rhythm games are apparently the thing right now. ._.
06:33:36 syv: Because it's fun, and relaxing.
06:33:59 syv: I can find happy stuff fun too, y'know. I take joy in things aside from suffering and slaughter~
06:50:52 syv:
ER, you should get a kitten.
06:52:41 syv: Yeah, so? Two cats, double the adorable.
06:53:00 syv: Why do you even have two hands, if not to pet two felines AT THE SAME TIME?
06:53:30 ER: you're not allowed to ignore babies
06:53:55 syv: Also, if you're adopting one it's more like a teenager.
06:54:11 ER: That's how we got this one.
06:54:36 syv: Humans are fairly bad at keeping them alive while they're actually babies, yeah.
06:55:10 syv: They're still kittens until they're cats, and cats are adults. Childish and adorable adults, but adults all the same.
07:44:14 ER: wantsta works on Refine, it does.
07:44:35 syv: ...Oh, your magical girl game.
07:44:52 ER: ugly ugly powers and pulses, get away! Isn't that right, precious?
07:45:24 ER: ...It's still mostly a nothing.
07:45:47 ER: Lore in my head and too much flavor text on paper. :V
07:46:12 ER: Cause I've been looking at P&P instead, of course.
07:46:34 ER: ...Thinks perhaps I should have a healing class, after all.
07:47:36 syv: I've come more around to support classes maybe not being a good idea.
07:48:35 ER: ...Kinda like the flavor of Compassion, though. Oh well. :/
07:50:50 ER: The words "jolly co-operation" were involved.
07:51:55 ER: Rare, perhaps, but never unwelcome. It may take some bravery to put your trust in strangers, but for some there is not greater joy than jolly co-operation.
07:54:48 syv: That just sounds like Bravery...
07:55:42 ER: Over here the melee stat is Defiance, so Bravery wasn't using it~
07:57:37 ER: Love: One of the few things that does not change with the times. Affinity, admiration, infatuation... and to those you do not love, coldness. What easier way to find enemies but by knowing your friends? Not a flame at all, but a beautiful rose that chokes out other life for the sake of glory.
07:58:25 syv: That maaay be a touch too edgy.
07:58:37 ER: Oh good, they're all like that...
07:59:25 ER: I guess my best hope with this particular project is just being edgy in more way than one, so people don't get bored. <.<
07:59:47 ER: Fury: Raw violence, dispassionate and terrible. The simplest and purest emotion there is; it does not rely on hate or love, fear or anger. Only fight or flight. Run. Pounce. Kill. The unabiding white flame that burns in silence.
07:59:54 ER: Defiance: Determination, not to endure, but to destroy injustice and abomination. Rage and horror, weaponized. Corrosive flame that seeps down into your bones, and dwells until you cannot bear inaction any longer.
08:00:02 ER: Stoicism: In hard times, it's a common line of thinking that suffering is inevitable, so the greatest virtue is to endure, and in enduring be content. Gentle black flame that does not go out easily.
08:00:24 ER: (joy, bravery, purity, in that order)
08:01:31 ER: If it comes down to it, I'm fine with Love being the edgiest of the pack, as well. OwO
08:02:09 syv: Please please please change "in enduring be content," to "in enduring, grow stronger".
08:02:39 ER: oh dammit, that sound familiar
08:03:40 syv: Also, "Gentle black flame that does not go out easily" sounds like a hilariously engrishy mixture of purple and brown prose, change the second half to "which refuses to be extinguished"
08:04:04 syv: Maybe put a simple "A" at the front, too.
08:04:47 syv: ((It's from Planescape: Torment. One of Dak'kon's quotes is "Endure, and in enduring, grow stronger."))
08:05:42 ER: also semi-stealing actual stoic philosophy >_>
08:05:47 syv: If you reference extremely high quality writing, your writing becomes objectively better. That's absolutely true fact.
08:06:13 ER: Well I already did that by calling it a "black flame"~
08:10:42 syv: Gah, why would anyone WANT DDR on their phone?
08:11:13 syv: And why must 90% of rhythm game apps have an anime artstyle?!
08:12:43 ER: wait, dance dance revolution?
08:13:01 syv: I guess you tap on the arrows?
08:13:19 ER: Because anime art is clearly the best possible~
08:13:53 syv: Photorealistic is clearly the best possible.
08:15:23 ER: also FMV games tend to be bad~
08:16:33 ER: Curiosity: What's around this corner? Hey, it's a fair question. I don't see any dead cats around here, no sir~
08:16:55 syv: More likely, the cat was just curious to see what death was like...
08:17:26 ER: That doesn't fit with the rest of the edgy prose at all and I think it's swell.
08:18:54 syv: And what the cat has to tell, on each return from hell, is this: Dying is what the Living do, Dying is what the Loving do, and the true dead are those who never know, that dying is what, to live, we each must do.
08:19:20 ER: ...If I don't have a healer *class* anymore, does that mean that it makes sense that Love is now aligned with Give Hope? Eh, sure.
08:19:39 syv: They're a headache to balance.
08:20:00 ER: Whoa whoa, who said anything about *balance*
08:21:04 syv: You say that now, but you'll be sorry when I tell everyone how to obtain infinite soul without killing anything.
08:22:53 syv: *Draining* is fine, that doesn't let people stay full in a void. *Healing* is not, that breaks things.
08:23:43 ER: How so, if it's just a transer of soul?
08:25:07 ER: In a void you'll just pass the soul around and then... I guess go mad due to lack of stimulous, creating an exiting new breed of magical- thingy
08:25:23 syv: Transfer isn't a heal. It still makes thing a lot easier if you get full-restores. I still hold to Empathy being one of the most broken powers in PS.
08:26:13 ER: ...What WOULD be a soul heal then, and when have I implied that I might consider it?
08:27:02 syv: Vengeance, Flagellation, and Relieving Plight. All three create more soul than they cost, properly used.
08:27:29 syv: Invigorating Passion also counts, but it has a time cost so it's not nearly as bad.
08:32:05 ER: ayy lmao go feel some pointless ennui so that we can stave off heat death, puny meatbags.
08:33:18 ER: ha look this one has formed a "friendship", that'll be worth at least five minutes on the nearest star once she explodes.
08:33:43 syv: Only five minutes? That's a pittance.
08:34:08 syv: In PM3 each magical girl powers the entire lifetime of *many* stars, if Cuubae's to be believed.
08:36:21 ER: Nah, it just doesn't know what kinds of information are important to inform your subjects of first and *refuses to learn*~
08:36:42 ER: (if you want to be "ethical", at least)
08:37:42 ER: Pumsey is actually nice enough to tell you those parts without you having to explicitly ask.
08:38:15 ER: Though I get the feeling that you've probably ADDED additional complications that's he ISN'T explaining.
08:40:30 syv: Don't feel that way! Pumsy would never mislead you, or leave out important information!
08:41:12 ER: I intend to ask LOTS of questions once I'm actually allowed to.
08:42:15 ER: Because pointed questions about the metaphysics of the situation is a thing that none of the current players appear to be doing, and is also a thing that probably could have saved some people some pain in the source material.
08:43:09 syv: Eh, I wouldn't put it past you, you're the most accomplished dier I know.
08:44:01 syv: I'm sure you could figure out how to kill yourself given only a styrofoam paperclip and a thimble of milk.
08:44:27 ER: If that's all you give me I'll be BORED
08:45:01 syv: Well to be fair, at the rate I update Sophia you're already bored. So death is really status quo for her.
08:45:06 ER: and kill myself because it's at least entertaining and I'll get to respawn somewhere with anything interesting at all.
09:06:11 ER: can I have an ability named "DIIIIIIIIIIIIE" here? I think I can.
09:09:07 syv: Have some style, at least call it "Soul Nova" or something.
09:09:40 ER: I'll give the refined version of powers the more flowery names.
09:10:15 ER: for that one, I think "Clean Blaze of Truth" is an option.
09:11:14 ER: ...this reminds me, have you played Iji yet?
09:13:15 syv: Nope. Think I have it downloaded though.
09:13:56 ER: go play that and don't stop till you fight someone with the title "assassain" :P
09:24:46 ER: (Totally sensable to give Ingenuity three actives rather than one passive and and active... totally)
10:01:38 Devastator: good old cult simulator.
10:01:59 Devastator: my guy now eats people for knowledge.
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10:10:15 Devastator: Apparently the dice gods smiled on us in OL. Us: (5545) Them: (2222).
10:11:04 ER: Refine is the working title of my... adaptation of
syv's magical girl game.
10:11:14 Devastator: Do you pour them into a cruicible?
10:11:41 parisbre56: Heh, is it more refined then
syv's game?
10:11:55 Devastator: More refined than Alida, most likely.
10:12:31 ER: no, the game itself is likely far less refined than
syv's
10:12:57 parisbre56: PvP or PvE or both?
10:13:07 syv: A remarkable amount of beeps for nothing being said to me...
10:13:44 ER: I'd quite like to NOT try PvP in any game of P&P size from now on, thanks.
10:14:30 ER: (But then, I'm not the type to tell you that you can't eat your friends for soul power)
10:15:27 parisbre56: yeah, unless you make it some magical girl death arena it would probably be hard to manage
10:15:29 syv: "Lulu's step"? Who's Lulu?
10:16:07 parisbre56: but it would be fun to have mortal enemies staring at each other angrily during class
10:16:17 ER: expect to see more references to long dead magical girls with no context so far as Refinement goes.
10:17:03 syv: I think having a neutral power which can only reliably repair nonliving thing is a poor idea. Why NOT let people heal themselves?
10:17:03 ER: There is no school in the post-apocalipse~
10:17:21 syv: No, not really. I was tempted to make it, but I don't think it'd work well.
10:17:45 syv: It says it has bad effects on organisms? Are MGs not organisms, due to being liches...?
10:18:21 parisbre56: Hmm... How about instead of absorbing magical girls, you can forge their souls into new equipment?
10:18:35 parisbre56: like totems with special abilities
10:18:51 ER: nah, equipment is made from extruded soul product.
10:18:59 syv: I like that idea, that is a good idea.
10:19:22 ER: Ah, that is basically what adult mages do, though!
10:19:32 parisbre56: kinda dark soulsy now that I think about it though
10:20:40 Devastator: You absorb magical girls your outfit gets prettier and more decorated.
10:21:12 parisbre56: and more revealing?
10:21:52 parisbre56: what? everyone knows the more revealing your clothes the higher your AC
10:22:04 parisbre56: all the games do it
10:22:27 ER: If you go fast enough your AC will have nothing to do with what you're wearing~
10:22:54 parisbre56: so you need to be completely naked to reduce weight... good idea!
10:23:01 syv: That only works for twelve year olds in Japan,
Paris.
10:23:03 ER: don't matter if you've got a loincloth or full havels if they can't hit ya
10:23:12 syv: None of us are in Japan. I think.
10:24:16 ER:
paris is japanese in his heart
10:26:45 parisbre56: so is it still kill witches to recover soul?
10:27:07 parisbre56: or are there alternate means like in PS?
10:29:05 Devastator: Anyway, Cult Guy (That's his name) is about halfway through the game.
10:29:27 parisbre56: Oh, BTW
syv, I was updating my sheet for PS and I think Ruler's Rune is super fun. All the Purity powers seem to work very well together.
10:30:18 syv: Maybe you'll have the first Purity char who doesn't detonate on her first mission
10:30:54 ER: Rather than describe mechanics that I do not have, I'll say that this is a world where the effecint transfer of soul power to the projects of enigmatic aliens has been interrupted by murder. So now things are gradually spiraling into entropy, and the MAIN thing fighting that is witches, who throw off a whole lot of energy, effectively forever due to being self-hatred hell machines.
10:34:02 syv: "You need a strength of 10 to kick down this door." ...And I've gained exactly ten stat points.
10:34:20 syv: What's behind that door, Emergent Radiator?
10:34:36 parisbre56: Well, you're probably going to learn something in the future that will let you get through that door
10:34:49 parisbre56: is it the double doors?
10:35:33 ER: Behind the 10-str shield door, is a 10-crack hacking door.
10:35:52 ER: and yes, you cannot have 20 stat points at that point in the game.
10:36:27 ER: (18 technically because you start with 1 in everything but whatever)
10:40:27 parisbre56: hmm... so what about magical girls that form their own cult and drain their followers of power?
10:40:39 parisbre56: it doesn't necessarily have to be an evil cult
10:40:49 ER: Also, there's an official guide that tell you literally everything there is to know about everything, down to the most hidden secrets and most obscure references. Very spoilery, but a fun read.
http://www.remar.se/daniel/iji2guide.php
10:40:52 parisbre56: it could be a pop singer fun club
10:43:07 Devastator: That's Nanami,
Paris. ;-p
10:47:34 Devastator: Got a character in
NJW's witch game called Nanami.
10:47:38 Devastator: She explicitly has 'whatever powers and aspects people think she has, assuming enough people are powering her up by consuming her media.'
10:47:43 syv: Nanami is
Dev's magical girl succuus character.
10:48:00 parisbre56: Ah, so powered by belief, got it
10:49:51 Devastator: I also need to do missions for a demon from hell to keep those abilities.
10:51:20 ER: Also,
syv, a useful thing that I'm pretty sure the game doesn't tell you is that you can move the camera slightly using the numpad.
10:51:20 parisbre56: well, I suppose that's fair
10:51:42 parisbre56: unless there's some sort of angel police that hunts down those who work with demons.
10:52:05 Devastator: Also, have succubus powers in addition to everything people think she has. ;-p
10:54:06 parisbre56: Oh dear, the wikipedia article on succubus describes some very weird things
10:54:18 parisbre56: and I thought anime was weird and creepy
10:54:22 parisbre56: guess religion can be too
10:54:33 Devastator: I'd rather not read that, considering how people have been both in the past and in today.
10:54:52 Devastator: old biblical stuff is really weird.
10:55:13 Devastator: New stuff having anything vaguely related to sex is also weird.
10:56:12 syv: ....I don't have a numpad on this laptop.
11:01:02 ER: Oh yeah, in that version of the game there's two more endings in addition to the single one in the earlier version. And they're both *hilarious*
11:01:15 ER: in a people-getting-vaporized kinda way.
11:02:41 syv: I always thought the original succubus mythology was actually kinda clever. "Priest, why does this woman's child look like you, and why does she say you came to her in the night?" "Uhhh, umm, oh! A succubus! Satan's trying to frame me! Yeah, that's it!"
11:04:04 syv: And then the poor kid's murdered, I guess, but that's just how things go.
11:04:12 ER: That satan, always trying ta frame people
11:04:23 syv: Especially celibate priests!
11:08:28 Devastator: eh, mostly all I'm doing with that is trying to get beautiful enough to start some kind of narcissistic cult.
11:12:33 syv: Killed Krotera, done for now.
11:12:42 parisbre56: it can always backfire with you becoming so beutiful you can't walk the street without people trying to worship you
11:12:56 syv:
ER, you want me to stream Iji for you sometime?
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11:15:24 Devastator: If I get there I have illusion powers that can turn it down a notch. But yeah, at that point I'd be satisfied enough with it. ;-p
11:30:20 Devastator: or up a notch, because clearly they aren't being too scared to worship me without permission. ;-p
11:34:18 syv:
Devastator wants to be soooo beautiful that people ask him before worshipping him~
11:36:59 Devastator: yup. I think that would be about ideal.
11:40:21 Devastator: all benifits, no hazards.
11:40:27 Devastator: after dealing with Amdukias, of course.
11:40:36 Devastator: dammit, I can't type.
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11:43:19 parisbre56: Well, you can always make people believe that you're so great even demons love you.
11:43:21 parisbre56: Unless the demon has something to protect him from that.
11:51:36 Devastator: The demon is way the fuck up there, and is getting the same amount of raw power I'm getting.
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22:10:59 ER: lol, first time that's happened.
22:11:20 ER: taurus demon backstepped off the bridge. :P
23:47:12 ER: I have a black knight sword AND a black knight greatsword. Which should I be using?
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