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04:05:17 Devastator: Just trying to figure out why a website is leading me on broken redirects.
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04:26:19 ER: ...what is the difference between "borderless" and "fullscreen windowed" in a game's options?
04:29:15 Devastator: one changes the screen resolution and one doesn't? And a few other things, IIRC.
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05:25:21 ER: So Hunt Showdown works now.
05:25:34 ER: I played a solo. Never saw any other people.
05:26:03 ER: Mostly wandered around, shot zombies, ran low on ammo, got killed by a big zombie.
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05:29:24 ER: Whacking swamp zombies in the head with a rifle simulator is now operational.
05:30:21 syv: Should I set the computer up?!
05:30:49 ER: If you'd like. We can play any time.
05:31:38 syv: I think I shall, then. First I'm gonna finish eating though.
05:32:20 syv: Hopefully that computer still works despite getting rained on.
05:32:26 ER: I sent you a forum PM on this but then you just go and pop up in IRC. :P
05:34:33 syv: I only check PMs when I post, unless I get an email, an emails are always delayed. :(
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05:50:50 sy: Can't maintain a connection to IRC, that's promising.
06:03:17 Devastator:
ER got hunt working.
06:03:59 syv: Wow, really! Great job,
ER!
06:04:11 syv: And mine finished updating *just* now.
06:04:21 Devastator: Yeah, I see that you noticed each other above.
06:05:24 Devastator: They changed meth cooldown.
06:05:32 Devastator: I think that may be the only change that I really like in the new version.
06:06:17 Devastator: knocked out Katia for like 3 days.
06:06:41 Devastator: Lightweight is serious business that way.
06:07:11 syv: Lightweight is pure pain if you take anything serious.
06:07:43 Devastator: Nah, it wasn't much of a big deal until the new version.. didn't hurt much.
06:07:51 Devastator: the new meth cooldown though makes it matter.
07:38:47 syv: Having a glock 17 is more fun though.
07:38:53 ER: It occurs to me that this is basically L4D. ;P
07:39:07 syv: Except with WAAAY less effective guns.
07:39:33 Devastator: Well, Cabal was a failure, but dammit.
07:39:52 ER: Less effective guns means more reason to hits things with an axe
07:40:14 Devastator: Also, Katia is absurdly addicted to alcohol in Cataclysm. Is there any way to put a number on it?
07:40:19 syv: It's a good move, really. The low-tech balances the game. I'm so used to having high capacity assault rifles, but in this game, a single-barrel break action shotgun is STRONG.
07:40:24 ER: Really hope that I can get my mic to work next time.
07:40:42 syv: I'm pretty sure there's a number in the code. You could list the penalties she takes, I guess.
07:41:22 ER: single barrel break action actually feeling like something you might have some reason to use, yeah.
07:43:28 Devastator: well, it's somewhat vague. She is taking -30 hits to morale every time the booze wears off, and the hits come NOW, one after the other.
07:44:25 syv: Kinda makes me want to play wielding a mag-fed assault shotgun. Would be an utter power trip, not that assault shotguns are ever not a power trip.
07:44:57 syv: Does she die if she goes cold turkey?
07:46:45 Devastator: I don't think alcohol can do that.
07:47:06 Devastator: I do know she'll be utterly useless with those huge penalties, though.
07:48:29 syv: I thought it could, with a strong enough addiction. I'm pretty sure it used to.
07:49:14 ER: I think at the very highest levels you can get something absurd like an automatic rifle?
07:54:11 syv: An automatic rifle which probably costs so much that if you can afford it, you don't need it.
07:55:02 ER: think there's a high level russian semiauto pistol too.
08:00:28 ER: Hmm, should probably learn to use the "get out while you're ahead" mechanic in that game.
08:00:57 ER: It didn't REALLY seem like we could beat the butcher.
08:01:37 ER: Both times we died a ways in we'd already done well against mobs, and you're rewarded for those if you just leave.
08:04:54 ER: time to rest and have beautiful dreams of walking meat and bullets.
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08:05:23 syv: We also make double money if we both survive...
08:06:14 syv: Finding three clues and the boss grants 100$, so if we'd ran we would've made a profit of ~280 each, including the surviving hunter.
08:06:24 syv: Which I am saying despite
ER leaving. -.-'
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08:55:06 Devastator: I don't know if Katia will die trying to go cold turky on alcohol.
08:58:49 Devastator: only intensity 7 according to the saves.
09:01:47 Devastator: saving shows that it's now up to 8, which isn't as high as I was hoping.
09:02:43 Devastator: I also heard that it works differently now.
10:55:38 syv: Apparently, Hunt:Showdown's integrated VoIP and even *text chat* features are proximity based, and are broadcast to nearby enemies. Which can be trivially circumvented by using Steam's voice or chat features, among others.
10:55:52 syv: What's even the point of including such features in the game?
11:05:22 Devastator: But yeah, it's just silly features.
11:06:38 syv: It's not stated anywhere in the game.
11:06:55 Devastator: if it isn't functional, it won't help any.
11:07:10 syv: It's not even roleplaying, it's willfully making things harder for people who don't research.
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13:43:52 Radio_Controlled: Hello you overhyped trains.
14:00:54 Devastator: turn went okay in Cabal.
14:01:40 Devastator: and Katia in Cata is now enough of an alcoholic she's wasted by the end of the day if she drinks every time her addiction forces her to.
14:01:49 Radio_Controlled: 'ok' is one way to put it.
14:02:51 Radio_Controlled: But you got some mana out of it at least, so that opens up some more options.
14:03:13 Devastator: up to intensity 11, yes!
14:03:22 Devastator: 6 more mana is a lot.
14:03:27 Devastator: Probably going to summon a gorilla.
14:03:36 Devastator: didn't want to, but what can I do when I can't negotiate?
14:04:56 Radio_Controlled: Could try to run or create a distraction.
14:05:40 Radio_Controlled: Could have tried to talk to them, if you still had sound.
14:06:35 Radio_Controlled: Or create a distant sound of a predator to try and scare them off.
14:07:53 Radio_Controlled: Or use expand on the flames again but direct it so you get an impromptu flamethrower.
14:08:00 Devastator: I don't have sound any more.
14:08:16 Devastator: and running into a mist when surrounded by enemy cavalry that can see through it? Not going to happen.
14:08:22 Radio_Controlled: I know, I remember trying to convince you to keep it.
14:08:29 Radio_Controlled: Vindication at last! :p
14:08:42 Radio_Controlled: I'm just enumerating options here.
14:08:43 Devastator: Nah, still not useful. Sound to understand sounds like a Kno roll..
14:09:04 Devastator: Easier to scare them off by summoning a big gorilla.
14:09:06 Radio_Controlled: Also, did this caravan have horses or something? That could help you outrun them.
14:09:22 Devastator: They might be gone. And they'd be tied to the wagons, too.
14:09:29 Devastator: but yeah, I don't see that as workable in the least.
14:09:47 Radio_Controlled: 'that' after I gave like half a dozen options.
14:10:07 Devastator: run was the first thing you said!
14:10:26 Radio_Controlled: Besides, the point of brainstorm sessions is to generate ideas and see if nothing comes up, not to evaluate ideas first before daring to voice them.
14:10:41 Devastator: I am thinking about fire uses and expand.
14:10:54 Radio_Controlled: "but what can I do when I can't negotiate?" is an invitation to sum up alternatives.
14:10:57 Devastator: I don't think I have that much control over things. Chalice I'd be able to do about that.
14:11:13 Radio_Controlled: Why wouldn't you expand in a certain direction?
14:11:21 Devastator: I don't think I can really control that.
14:11:34 Radio_Controlled: Doesn't hurt to check.
14:11:37 Devastator: and if I could, I might burn a couple but not that many.
14:11:47 Radio_Controlled: Don't gimp yourself based on an assumption.
14:12:05 Radio_Controlled: If you're already married to plan gorilla, by all means, go for it.
14:12:17 Radio_Controlled: I'm just generating ideas after you prompted me.
14:13:27 Devastator: There's a better way to do the impromptu flamethrower thing.
14:14:03 Radio_Controlled: Could also try to use grow as an illusion, your senses is d8 so still ok.
14:14:22 Devastator: That's a good idea.
14:16:46 Radio_Controlled: Intimidate them with a rendition of "Attack of the 50 Ft. Woman".
14:17:09 Devastator: Might do that by summoning a gorilla, faking a giant gorilla and trying to scare them off with it.
14:17:20 Devastator: and if they don't run off making it a real giant gorilla.
14:17:31 Devastator: Yeah, that's probably the plan, sounds good.
14:17:35 Radio_Controlled: That's an option.
14:18:02 Devastator: 50 ft woman would be fun, but the mist would make it less intimidating than it normally would.
14:18:02 Radio_Controlled: Might want to hug another scared dude for some extra mana in case you get a bad roll and need a lot for gorilla summoning.
14:18:16 Devastator: That's the plan. Gorilla, hug next guy in line.
14:18:57 Radio_Controlled: Too bad Ecalir and me aren't there.
14:19:10 Radio_Controlled: Some d10 thaumic flamethrower would come in handy...
14:19:57 Devastator: Yeah, that would get things done.
14:20:05 Devastator: but you might not get them all before running out of juice.
14:20:16 Devastator: the thing about gorilla is that it can keep punching.
14:20:18 Radio_Controlled: Then if they try to run, use gut feeling to track them to their lair.
14:20:49 Radio_Controlled: True, but Pan gets mana from fighting, so if he runs out he'll have some fresh mana to start deploying his electrobutt.
14:21:32 Radio_Controlled: Then once we get to their lair, smoke 'em out and try to capture one alive for vivisection.
14:22:23 Radio_Controlled: And I bought a d8 gun as a backup as well, so even if Pan needs to get stuck into melee I could back him up without needing mana.
14:23:08 Radio_Controlled: Though his magic sword, or assortment of d8 melee weapons really should be able to do the trick.
14:23:47 Radio_Controlled: Hell, maybe with the glass orb staff we could try to suck the magic out of them, see if they're constructs of some sort.
14:24:58 Devastator: Need
PW here to talk about these orders.
14:25:25 Radio_Controlled: Do the
PW summoning dance.
14:25:52 Devastator: I only get the gorilla a bit less than 3/4 of the time, if I summon a d8 ape.
14:27:36 Radio_Controlled: One downside is that the bugmen on their steeds and long pole weapons have an advantage against the gorilla.
14:27:56 Devastator: they have nets on the ends of said poles.
14:28:04 Radio_Controlled: So maybe specify that your summon should be on the fast side, or they might just kite it.
14:28:07 Devastator: Not the best thing to use.
14:28:19 Devastator: and if they kite it, that gives me time.
14:28:28 Devastator: time to hug people and to keep buffing it.
14:28:40 Radio_Controlled: "They hold what might be catch poles and hooked rods in three fingered hands."
14:28:43 Devastator: kiting only works when the enemy doesn't get stronger the longer you wait.
14:29:16 Radio_Controlled: They outnumber you though, so unless the gorilla stays very close, they can still get to you.
14:29:37 Devastator: I still have my two guards.
14:29:42 Radio_Controlled: Just a thing to keep in mind.
14:29:50 Radio_Controlled: What kind of weapons do they have?
14:30:14 Devastator: dunno. I specifically asked if they were armed and sent in orders to spend money if they weren't, but
PW just said 'they're armed' without specifying.
14:30:27 Devastator: so.. whatever I need. :D
14:30:32 Radio_Controlled: I guess that means they have d8 guns then!
14:31:22 Devastator: Yeah, I think the only time they had to roll was for angerman when he was distracted.
14:31:34 Devastator: but angerman rolled a 1, so they just kinda nabbed him.
14:32:15 Radio_Controlled: Maybe they are carrying assault rifles.
14:32:35 Devastator: Also, those weapons don't work on things too big for them to deal with, so I'm expecting anything bigger than human to be mostly immune to those weapons.
14:32:43 Radio_Controlled: That should clean things up nicely.
14:32:58 Radio_Controlled: PRRRRT end of encounter.
14:36:47 Devastator: You know, there's a feedback between Addictive Personality and Lightweight.
14:36:56 Radio_Controlled: Still, glad that the suggestion of emergency hugging for quick mana refill worked out, you might just get out of there yet.
14:37:10 Radio_Controlled: I never played CDDA, so no, I wouldn't know.
14:37:12 Devastator: Lightweight means booze lasts 50% longer, and Addictive Personality means 2/3 as sated from one drink.
14:37:45 Devastator: Which means that it takes much less addiction to get to the point where she needs to drink faster than her body burns it. ;-p
14:38:25 Radio_Controlled: And hey, if you scare them off but the others are nowhere to be found, why, I guess /you/ will just have to trade all these lucrative goodies in the next town.
14:39:37 Devastator: Saeko doesn't want to do that.
14:50:05 Radio_Controlled: Still, even if you scare them off, gotta do something.
14:53:10 Radio_Controlled: So what's the plan then?
14:54:43 Devastator: summon a gorilla, illusion grow to make it look more dangerous, hug next guy.
14:55:06 Radio_Controlled: No, I mean after that, assuming it works.
14:55:47 Devastator: I'll decide that after seeing what happens.
14:57:05 Radio_Controlled: Man, having to get a +2 to end to be able to use that d8 armor is gonna cost though.
14:57:26 Devastator: you could trade it for a set of d6 armor.
14:58:25 Radio_Controlled: I already have that.
14:59:30 Radio_Controlled: SO right now I have my d6, Pan's d6 that got turned into a d8, and the fitted d8 we just bought.
15:01:54 Radio_Controlled: But if things go according to plan, Pan's arena time should be a net positive for him in the mana department, so hopefully it'll be enough for a +2.
15:12:33 Radio_Controlled: After that, maybe it'll be time to go find some diamonds.
15:17:07 Radio_Controlled: Or maybe we'll go take over that town we started at, hmm.
15:29:42 Radio_Controlled: By the way, you weren't planning to head in the direction of thion hudor by any chance?
15:30:00 Radio_Controlled: Cause I'd still be willing to pay good money to get some stats increased.
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17:13:06 Radio_Controlled: Hiii doctor Bones.
17:14:18 Radio_Controlled: @
Devastator you better get in here you concrete chordate.
17:18:41 Radio_Controlled: I think his question was about summoning a gorilla to scare away the bugmen.
17:19:08 Radio_Controlled: And maybe also using 'grow' but as an illusion to make the gorilla look enormous and intimidating and stuff.
17:26:32 Radio_Controlled: Ah well, I tried.
17:26:37 Radio_Controlled: Off to grab food.
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18:55:29 Radio_Controlled: So did you catch
dev then?
18:55:32 Piecewise_: I have an idea about how to tinker, but I'm gonna have to think about it and write it out
18:55:57 Radio_Controlled: Oh well, he can't complain I didn't try.
18:56:15 Radio_Controlled: But if he can't be arsed to be online 24/7, why, there's nothing more I can do!
19:02:30 Radio_Controlled: Care to give me the gist of your new tinker brainchild?
19:10:11 Piecewise_: I want to write it out first, because its still only partially formed in my own head
19:10:33 Piecewise_: I'll do that when I'm done updating posts
19:10:46 Piecewise_: ALmost done with luchas, then on to 888th
21:39:57 Devastator:
Piecewise_, was wondering about the Cabal turn. It's another one of those ones where I'd like to talk about costs and such.
21:42:45 Devastator: Just want to get the most monkey for my buck, so to speak.
21:48:27 Devastator: I'm also not against increasing stats for others, but you aren't in the direction I'm travelling in. Was planning on heading to the edge of the map towards the west eventually.
22:41:16 Devastator: Anyway, if you're busy poke me when you're back. I'll be on for the next few hours at least.
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23:24:07 Devastator: Just interested in maximizing monkey for mana.
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23:26:37 Devastator: Also,
RC had some suggestions.
23:26:44 Devastator: well, ape, but monkey is a funnier word.
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23:26:57 Devastator: like using expand to make a torch into a flamethrower. I didn't think it would work.
23:27:29 Piecewise: make it into a flamethrower how?
23:27:39 Piecewise: like...expand the fire out to one side?
23:27:41 ER: wth did my computer just freeze.
23:28:24 Devastator: I think I could do it with a loop of rope around the whole caravan.
23:28:30 Devastator: which makes me wish I'd throught of it.
23:29:29 Piecewise: Ie light the rope and expand it?
23:30:35 Piecewise: I dunno if that would work...maybe. Because expand makes things bigger uniformly. It wouldn't just make the rope longer.
23:30:47 Piecewise: you'd end up with a big ass rope
23:30:52 Radio_Controlled: Wouldn't it be possible to use 'expand' on the fire but expand it in a given direction, making an improvised flame attack?
23:31:29 Devastator: yeah, that's probably the case. I'd need something like an oil-filled wire loop.
23:31:32 Radio_Controlled: Or maybe 'grow' if that works better.
23:31:39 Devastator: Hmm, I wonder what happens if I try to expand a hole?
23:31:52 Devastator: does dirt vanish or get pushed out of the way?
23:31:58 Piecewise: Grow would be better for that, since you can choose direction
23:32:07 Radio_Controlled: It gets shunted to the magical realm.
23:32:28 Radio_Controlled: Ah, good to know. So with 'grow', that plan has a chance of working?
23:32:37 Piecewise: Its used to plant more piss trees in the piss forest
23:33:03 Piecewise: With grow it could work...but only for a moment really since there would be no fuel to continue the fire
23:33:46 Radio_Controlled: Yeah, more like a gout of fire to intimidate and hopefully catch at least one of the buggers. At least, that's how I suggested it to
dev.
23:34:31 Radio_Controlled: And hey, /they/ don't have to know she can only do it for an instant, for all they know that was a warning shot and she is secretly a Mistress of Flame.
23:34:36 Piecewise: whats this thing about maximum monkey
23:34:50 Devastator: summoning a monkey to help fight.
23:34:59 Devastator: then using 'grow' as an illusion to make it seem bigger and more dangerous.
23:35:09 Radio_Controlled: Summoning an ape of reasonable size, then maybe using 'grow' but as an illusion to make it seem REALLY big.
23:35:14 Devastator: I figure that way will let it seem bigger than just growing it for the same difficulty.
23:35:25 Radio_Controlled: Idea being that an illusion to make it enormous is easier than actually making it enormous.
23:35:33 Devastator: Also, I don't want to summon it permanently, just enough to act for a day or so.
23:36:23 Devastator: Yeah, if they hold back I should be able to buff it every turn the ant-men hesitate.
23:38:43 Devastator: Anyway, just wondering at what splits I should aim at to maximize monkey for minimizing cost.
23:40:07 Radio_Controlled: Maybe it's easier to word your spell in terms of the challenge die you're aiming for?
23:40:33 Radio_Controlled: "summon a d8 monkey and enlarge it with an illusion of about d6"
23:40:49 Piecewise: yeah, that might be easier
23:40:53 Radio_Controlled: (the dice values being the challenge die)
23:41:15 Radio_Controlled: Then
pw can wing it as he's wont to. :p
23:43:09 Radio_Controlled: Maybe I should start charging a magical consultancy fee.
23:44:10 Devastator: I'll help you out with a lift on Giant Bird Airlines, assuming Saeko survives this and can reach the next town with some mana.
23:44:35 Radio_Controlled: I'd prefer some buffs honestly, we can teleport around.
23:44:40 Devastator: just doing the math on odds to succeed at d8 or d6.
23:44:49 Radio_Controlled: Though I do imaging Giant Birb will be cheaper to operate.
23:45:54 Devastator: looks like 68.75% odds to succeed at d6.
23:46:04 Devastator: (for the grow illusion.)
23:46:09 Devastator: but would d4 be enough?
23:46:17 Piecewise: It would grow the beast
23:46:34 Piecewise: for an illusion...like 3 or 4 times
23:46:55 Piecewise: so 5 foot to 15 or 20 feet
23:46:59 Devastator: Yeah, that should be fine then. 3 times bigger from a man-sized ape is enough to get started.
23:47:29 Devastator: besides, I might need to make it actually bigger if they don't get scared.
23:47:30 Radio_Controlled: Now hope the Bugmen didn't get no_fear tags.
23:48:00 Devastator: the fire slowed them down, so that's out.
23:48:52 Devastator: If they seemed outright harmed by it I'd probably have made another fire on the other side of the caravan and tried to use that to hold them off until dawn.
23:49:08 Devastator: ie, making more wood with enlarge spells to keep the fires going all night.
23:50:33 Radio_Controlled: Or, I'll mention again, attack of the 50 ft. woman.
23:50:46 Radio_Controlled: This is a thing that should happen.
23:52:09 Devastator: If I were to go for attack of the 50 foot woman I'd want to actually be piloting the attack of the 50 foot woman.
23:54:57 Devastator: Already did that, sheesh.
23:55:10 Devastator: besides, if any character goes that way it'll be Nan in Coven. ;-p
23:55:51 ER: Nam Nam the greatest biggest one
23:56:12 ER: who crushes her enemies with the power of magic~
23:56:17 Devastator: But yeah, I burned six mana on six inches already. ;-p
23:56:28 Devastator: after that experience it isn't going to be the plan.
23:58:45 Radio_Controlled: 'Attack of the 6 inches taller woman' doesn't quite have the same ring to it.
23:59:29 Devastator: 50 feet would be what, 534 mana?
23:59:40 Devastator: I don't have that much.
23:59:48 Radio_Controlled: For an illusion? Probably not, no.
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