00:27:21 radio: I should probably be getting to bed.
00:28:55 radio: If sleep is for the weak, then I'll be saying goodbye to strength.
00:29:03 radio: G'night gentlemen, have a good one.
03:23:19 ER: First death! That was dumb.
04:08:25 MidJag: It's Hasbro, if you want stupid and semi evil look no further
04:09:06 Devastator: It's not really particularly evil.
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04:15:49 syv: Heeey we have more people than campers for once.
04:18:46 syv: Better than I've been. Might update PS tonight.
04:19:41 ER: Welp, this part is way more interesting than standup fights.
04:20:02 Devastator: I was hoping it was a youtube video showing pigeons playing ping-pong.
04:20:14 Devastator: No offense, but that would have been cooler.
04:20:28 MidJag: None taken, I completely agree.
04:20:34 MidJag: that would have been way cooler
04:21:45 MidJag: oh yeah
syv, I started my internship.
04:22:24 MidJag: Yup, it seems pretty neat.
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04:59:13 Devastator: do look at the related ones after reading that one.
05:03:37 MidJag: I'm sensing a pattern here
05:04:09 Devastator: would it involve stabbings?
05:04:30 syv: ""Judge Kurtz told the jurors to, as the report put it, disregard “the restraints, … the incident involving [the] pen, and the defense attorney’s sudden absence.” ""
05:07:01 ER: Damn, that first lawyer was a trooper.
05:07:26 ER: Kinda have to be to be a public defender, but still.
05:07:41 MidJag: It just might involve stabbings
dev.
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05:15:26 syv: I kinda wanna make a game about SWAT handling a zombie apocolypse.
05:16:00 MidJag: So like XCOM But your fighting reapers? :P
05:17:01 syv: Like, the department is intact, and the world isn't overrun, but instead of breaching building and killing criminals, you're breaching houses and killing zombies, while trying to rescue civilians, some of whom may be infected and/or twitchy.
05:17:21 syv: With a mixture of violent humans with guns because variety.
05:17:35 MidJag: I read a book with that sorta thing.
05:17:52 ER: Zombies are kinda boring as enemies really.
05:18:00 syv: This may be relevant to my interests. Was it good?
05:18:17 ER: Especially if you're well-armed and civilization is intact.
05:18:22 syv: Why are you so into Hunt: Showdown, then? Most of the enemies are zombies.
05:19:06 MidJag: I've told you about it before as well.
05:19:53 ER: You're in a damn swamp, nobody's there to help you, you've got cowboy shooty guns rather than boring SMGs or whatever, the enemies aren't all boring zombies, and sometimes real people shoot at you with aforementioned shooty bang cowboy guns.
05:20:06 syv: ...Ah, you did. Apparently involves ghouls, vampires, and ghosts. Nevermind then. ._.
05:20:07 MidJag: Essentially Van Hellsling is a swat force for super natural ghosts and shit, you kill them with guns to weaken them and kill anything that's got an actual semblance of biology and cameras and flashbangs to kill ghosts and stuff that doesn't follow biology.
05:21:10 syv: Well fine. I guess I'll just stick with traumatizing magical girls, rather than make a game in a genre I like. -.-
05:21:30 syv: Eventually SWAT are going to show up in PS, I swear...
05:21:57 ER: Do I get to show them my leetle friend?
05:23:26 syv: You get to be shot by them.
05:23:54 syv: And then they all die because emotional little girls are OP as fuck...
05:24:40 MidJag: Hmmmm, you could make a game where you are a SWAT team that gets thrown into supernatural things way above their paygrade.
05:25:50 syv: I would love to do that (
MJ's suggestion, not
ER's) and it pretty much sums up my last plan for the CQB game, but that's a full time game. Not a quick simple thing like SWAT zombies would be.
05:26:54 MidJag: Heh, I wonder what exactlly SWAT in MP would have. I mean I give the fucking MP's RPG's so who the hell knows what the SWAT/ true special forces get.
05:27:00 syv: It was also a much different kind of supernatural than what you probably mean. more "XCOM if the ayys were Lovecraftian horrors" than "Doorkickers but you're shooting werewolves and vampires."
05:27:49 syv: I wish I loved guns and gunplay less, so that I could actually finish that system and not just endlessly rewrite it.
05:28:23 syv: No, TFTD lets you see and kill the aliens. Proper lovecraftian horror, if you see them, you're too busy screaming to shoot, and it won't do much anyway.
05:28:52 ER: Ah, like the good old [kittens]?
05:29:11 syv: Fuck CoC's whole "Enough combat shotguns can kill Cthulhu", Lovecraftian horrors shouldn't ever fall prey to the Lord British Postulate...
05:29:18 MidJag: You'll have to show me that system some time, it sounds intresting.
05:29:18 ER: Though I let you look at the lesser kinds of those without screaming.
05:30:23 ER: At the lower levels the [kittens] are really there more for the reader's safety, at at higher levels the things can no longer be expressed in terms of [kittens] anyway.
05:30:24 MidJag: Hmmm, I guess the Spec's guys in MP would end up looking something like a cross between Groo and Damien, depeninding on what they did and how much the valued living.
05:30:36 syv: The system is almost all guns and tactics,
MJ. It has nothing to do with Lovecraft, as Lovecraft should remain statless.
05:31:44 MidJag: Yes, both of which I like and have a general sense of, but to a much lesser amount then you therefore I can look at it, see that it's generally fine and yell at you finish it :P
05:31:49 ER: "People often say, "It's not the fall that kills you, it's the sudden stop at the end." Unfortunately, in this case, it's probably going to be both."
05:33:15 syv: Want me to scrape together some of the old text files and just send them all to you? It's an annoying project which I've been working on intermittently, for years, and only remember to write things down about half the time.
05:33:21 syv: Across at least four computers.
05:34:03 ER: ...If you're fighting true eldritch unstatted beasties, why are the gunplay mechanics *even important*?
05:34:09 syv: Think there's at least three separate iterations of the cover system, some of which have multiple different files.
05:34:22 Devastator: CoC.. actual CoC doesn't end like that,
syv.
05:34:33 Devastator: SWAT vs Magical Girls.
05:34:34 syv: It *can* though, and that annoys me.
05:34:40 Devastator: Then it isn't real CoC.
05:34:45 Devastator: Yeah, that might be funnish.
05:34:50 Devastator: kill the magical girls with a swat team.
05:35:01 syv: SWAT vs Magical girls would be boring. If you want we can run it right now, it'll be over in minutes.
05:35:01 Devastator: random commenters can come up with bonus magical girl powers!
05:35:32 ER: If the whole masquerade thing is still up, swat loses.
05:35:41 Devastator: Yeah, magical girls can definately make bullet-stopping shields.
05:35:57 ER: Because it'll be impossible for them to know that the only real killshot is a gem shot.
05:37:21 ER: I made a love first thing and just haven't played one again because I'd done it already.
05:38:31 MidJag: heh, there's a double entrdree somewhere in there
05:38:46 Devastator: Ugh, I need fabrication 4 to make steel plating? That'll slow things down.
05:39:02 syv: Fabrication is trivial to level.
05:39:09 Devastator: What's the best way?
05:39:37 syv: I don't know, I haven't played in years. I just remember that there was lots of easy stuff you could do with abundant raw materials.
05:39:53 syv: Cooking, cooking is difficult past the lower levels.
05:40:15 Devastator: Yeah, probably. Just wondering what's quick.
05:40:20 Devastator: I've got books for cooking.
05:40:30 Devastator: I have books for fabrication, too, but that doesn't seem quick either.
05:40:45 Devastator: I just want armour plating, dammit! Is that so hard?
05:41:26 syv: It really shouldn't be. Shaping the metal might be, I guess, but welding isn't that hard.
05:41:43 MidJag: Makeing the heat source for it might be hard
05:42:05 Devastator: I have a stack of four acetylene torches. I've been wanting to make a supercar for a while.
05:43:20 MidJag: Welding in general is one of those skills that at some point in time I'd like to learn, but have absoulutly no idea when it would actually be useful to know.
05:43:55 Devastator: I've played with it enough to know I'm not good at it.
05:44:36 syv: Broadly wouldn't be useful, at all, but it's also not hard to learn. Though I know there's harder methods/materials to work with, and I'm pretty sure I learned with the easier ones.
05:45:41 Devastator: Eh, there's less useful skills.
05:46:25 syv: I'm salty that they fixed Dead Angling.
05:48:11 MidJag: huh, I'm listening to this one song from an old movie from my childhood and I could have sworn the sound was way harder when I listened to it as a kid.
05:48:50 MidJag: Heh, desitization perhaps?
05:49:24 syv: Going on the sorts of things you've linked and called "Kinda slow", yes.
05:49:46 syv: And yes
Dev, fixed. DAs are a bug. A good bug that helps balance shields, but a bug nonetheless.
05:50:37 syv: And they didn't fix chaining, which doesn't really add anything except makes experienced PvPers even more impossible to fight for newbies.
05:52:00 Devastator: well, I have about half the vehicle. I really need steel plating or it is just a bad car.
05:52:09 ER: really remastered those souls eh
05:52:44 ER: and TAKING THE ORIGINAL OFF THE STORE ARRGGGHHHHH
05:52:51 syv: I'm almost certainly buying it anyway.
05:53:03 syv: Yeah, that one was THE WORST choice.
05:53:13 Devastator: They always take the original off it.
05:53:25 Devastator: Can't buy original version of Planescape anymore, either.
05:53:40 syv: Why would you? It's two decades old.
05:54:57 Devastator: Why would I buy an updated version?
05:56:55 syv: At least with DaS there's multiplayer, and you're paying the people who actually made it.
05:58:04 ER: Are you? Pretty sure you're paying the publisher.
05:58:20 ER: Specially because DSR isn't made by FRom.
06:07:18 syv: We're never watching any other movie for movie night because nobody cares enough to actually arrange anything.
06:08:51 MidJag: Fine how about we watch a movie either Crank, or like Kingsmen, or Panty and stocking, on a Wensday around like Ten o clock my time which is like Eastern time zone on the 30th.
06:10:34 syv: "Like eastern time zone"? So, it's GMT-6:00+/-2:00?
06:11:44 ER: I have no idea what's going on in that scene but it seems wholly unnessesary.
06:11:49 syv: Oh wait, no, you mean EST, which isn't your timezone, and is GMT-5:00 right now.
06:15:44 Devastator: Nah, need One Punch Man.
06:15:58 Devastator:
RC said he had some time off, poke him.
06:16:03 Devastator: He'll arrange something.
06:16:39 syv: Yes, because adding a Belgian will make scheduling things easier.
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06:17:14 MidJag: heh honestlly most of our sleep schedules are so fucked it won't nessicarally make things worse :P
06:18:10 ER: Does that mean that you're no longer comatose,
paris?
06:18:54 parisbre56: for the moment, yes
06:19:16 Devastator: so what's going on with that scene?
06:20:31 MidJag: Evil dude has a thing in peoples phones that makes every one go completelly beserk when they hear it.
06:20:42 Devastator: It looks good, but I don't think it's as impressive as Hardcore Henry.
06:25:23 Devastator: I doubt it'll have a tank.
06:40:25 Devastator:
paris, you interested in some kind of movie night?
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07:27:27 ER: (watching dark souls meme videos is fun)
07:52:42 syv: I'm not sure how I could use that as inspiration?
07:53:34 syv: Witch #3 is semi-dark souls inspired, and may feature little girls being smashed by ultra weapons, but nothing should dual-wield UGSs...
07:54:33 syv: Also, I've only heard that song once before, but the opening song was from that Japanese kawaii death metal band which features two little girls and a giant australian man who wears the same outfits as the girls.
07:54:49 syv: I just feel the need to point out that that exists.
07:56:07 syv: But yeah, these swords seem pretty boring.
08:19:59 syv: I found a random enemies mod for DaS 1.
08:20:25 syv: It randomizes all the bosses and mobs to be random *other* bosses and mobs.
08:36:57 ER: Someone complaining that I didn't give them more mana for 2 XP! My favorite!
08:43:00 Devastator: Just gotta kill yourself, then he would have gotten 12 XP! ;-p
09:05:39 Devastator: although extra mana is vastly more useful than extra arcane.
09:06:50 ER: I dunno, suffecent arcane could let you be an invisible murderkitty with an instakill scythe every single turn.
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09:23:16 syv: Yeah, if he's using the same upgrade system from P&P 1, mages can get +1 mana, mechs can get... +70 arcane? A lot more than +33. Though there wasn't as much high-drain gear in that version.
09:32:39 Devastator: yeah, but sufficient mana could let you do that, but sufficient arcane won't let you buff yourself permanently.
09:35:37 syv: Ehhhh. It kinda does. Invisible murderkitty costs 20 Arcane, so you get five rounds, assuming you don't spend any arcane on guns. If you can do that for another five rounds, AND use the most powerful weapons too, that's a pretty massive buff which you wouldn't normally get.
09:36:01 syv: It's not a literal buff in the vein of mage powers, and it isn't as versatile, but it's nothing to sneeze st either.
09:42:37 Devastator: Invisible murderkitty for five rounds costs 5 mana..
09:43:34 syv: Except that murderkitty only weighs several hundred pounds, not several thousand, and it doesn't have steel plating armor.
09:43:59 syv: It's also simpler for its opponents to detect it.
09:44:03 Devastator: I don't see any particular reason mage powers couldn't include both of those.
09:44:36 Devastator: I'm also wondering if anyone will come up with the idea of attacking from below.
09:47:31 Devastator: Buckler guy could have easily pushed to make a grenade-proof shield covering two people in that last mission..
09:47:59 Devastator: Mechs are powerful, but the versitility!
09:48:34 syv: You need a large quantity of metal, elebending and a complex action to form it into armor. Selfshift and a push to turn into an animal, so let's say they only turn into a furry because that'd be complex. Now you need lightshift, which at least is simple to stay invisible, and power, which needs a push to be equivalently as strong as the mech version.
09:49:36 Devastator: No you don't. You pair up with someone who can summon armour, and split the duties.
09:49:58 syv: This uses up all four powers, and is very unreliable unless you use a wand, and even then you're going to spend two turns buffing before being able to do anything which means you actually need 7 mana to be an invisible murderkitty for five rounds.
09:49:58 Devastator: Go with three people. One material summoner, one elebender, one selfshifter.
09:50:31 Devastator: Material summoner does turn one defense and summons stuff for #2 to kit all three people out. Selfshifter does first turn recon, self buffs, and goes in for short range attacks after getting kitted.
09:50:34 syv: Okay. So now you have a three-man team who can emulate one mech.
09:50:41 Devastator: No, better than that.
09:50:53 syv: You're failing to convince me.
09:51:35 Devastator: It's okay, I'm not expecting to be able to do that.
09:51:54 syv: Hell, I can improve on your strategy by immediately doing away with the material summoner and having a pocket dimension person with a few tons of steel ingots in their hyperspace.
09:52:02 Devastator: That would work too.
09:52:12 syv: ...Which just demonstrates that you don't know ehat you're talking about.
09:53:49 Devastator: Eh, still like having the summoner on group defense.
09:54:02 Devastator: More flexable, in case you need rubber armour or something.
09:54:45 Devastator: Probably the two non-summoners need the 'grab item' power, too. One of them having hammerspace would be nice, stuff incoming arty shells in an empty dimension.
09:57:01 Devastator: It might just mean I'm doing this off the top of my head instead of planning this out in detail,
syv.
09:57:41 syv: I'm doing it off the top of my head as well...
09:58:07 syv: Oh, and elebenders need to push to create materials. And pushes are Bad.
09:58:33 syv: I DO confirm what I say before I say it, but I haven't been wrong yet so I don't consider that being unfair.
09:59:41 Devastator: hmm, yeah, pocket dimension would be more handy, then.
10:01:47 syv: The problem with mages is in reliability. Most of the useful stuff they do requires a roll, which gives 50% chance of some success, and 33% chance of screwing yourself over.
10:02:12 syv: Mechs don't really get screwed over on a bad attempt, and a failure doesn't eat up time.
10:12:29 Devastator: Yeah, but mages can generally pick something to give them two dice in favor.
10:13:50 syv: They can pick a wand, which lets them reroll complex actions only, when they aren't in a stressful situation. And they can have traits... which mechs can also have.
10:14:35 syv: And which aren't explicitly stated to give extra dice, and almost certainly wouldn't give extra dice for all magic, as that would be better than any original P&P trait, and almost as good as a mech speccing in "shooting".
10:21:28 Devastator: well, no, not all magic. But you can get most stuff.
10:23:04 Devastator: oh well, it isn't that big a deal, I suppose. Although mechs do have issues when they roll ones, too.
10:25:02 syv: They're more minor "You don't do anything next turn" rather than "You take damage".
10:25:57 Devastator: unless they're you take damage and you don't do anything next turn.
10:29:03 syv: I recall a lot of mechs disabling themselves momentarily, but no mechs damaging themselves, unless the players did blatantly stupid things that would self-damage on *success*.
10:29:44 Devastator: disable yourself, roll next turn to see if you undisable.
10:33:49 syv: Yeah. Which is still better than being injured.
10:35:34 Devastator: Eh.. I'd call it equivalent.
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17:37:28 Radio_Controlled: Good evening you critical existence failures.
17:39:31 Devastator: Do note the bit where getting put in algorithm hell can keep people off your channel.
17:39:59 Radio_Controlled: 'Venison Cooking'
17:40:06 Radio_Controlled: Oh yeah totally right up my alley.
17:40:37 Radio_Controlled: But yeah, YT algos are a dark and mysterious web of questions.
17:42:42 Devastator: It was cooking a head of an elk.
17:43:02 Devastator: Basically, getting tagged for anything on anything you upload means people don't see your videos.
17:43:54 Radio_Controlled: YT is shit, news at eleven.
17:44:15 Devastator: they run YT now, remember.
17:44:53 Radio_Controlled: I guess YT shit is now a subset of the more general google shit.
17:45:05 Radio_Controlled: Maybe we can use set theory to solve this problem.
17:48:15 Radio_Controlled: By the way, did you see what happened to leaf in P&P?
17:48:24 Devastator: The problem being that people can find channels with disreputable comments after all.
17:48:40 Radio_Controlled: Jesus Christ on a pogo stick, what the hell right?
17:48:58 Radio_Controlled: I went to bed last night thinking we were in a pretty good spot: assured mission selection if we wanted to, a mage that would probably suffer some sort of penalty from a spirit quest (if indeed she returned at all), all mechies survived.
17:49:14 Radio_Controlled: One night of stupid dreams later (something about having to catch a butterfly, don't ask) I wake up to Marie having offed herself by injecting magic robot fuel into her blood, the spirit quest having ended successfully and with more xp than me AND we lost our guaranteed mission selection.
17:49:50 Radio_Controlled: When I saw that, my reaction was basically just "Nope, I'm not gonna deal with this right now. I'm gonna go hit the gym and run it off. While screaming internally. Also maybe externally."
17:52:26 Devastator: of course she got the most experience, that's what happens when you roll instant death.
17:54:24 Radio_Controlled: I'm more amazed by the fact Leaf tried to inject magical robot fuel into his bloodstream.
17:54:35 Radio_Controlled: What the hell did he /think/ would happen!
17:54:54 Devastator: Bonus xp, because that's how things work for leng.
17:55:52 Radio_Controlled: Eh, just 1 bonus xp, the meat of it were from good rolls.
17:55:59 Radio_Controlled: 5 and a 5, compared to my 1 and 2.
17:56:04 Radio_Controlled: 5 and 6 even.
17:56:52 Devastator: Where are hidden's orders? I don't see them.
17:57:25 Radio_Controlled: I guess that means they are well... hidden.
17:58:37 Radio_Controlled: Egan posted a transcript of it in the thread.
18:00:44 Devastator: seems kinda dumb. Leaf quit, I take it?
18:00:53 Radio_Controlled: Nah, he might be making a new character.
18:02:48 Radio_Controlled: Oh well, I guess it's very mech to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
18:03:29 Radio_Controlled: Though in this case it might be more akin to breaking open the jaws and dragging out the already half-digested victory.
18:08:59 Devastator:
PW doesn't read Prequel.
18:09:04 Radio_Controlled: Yeah, I know!
18:09:29 Radio_Controlled: Just throw it at him.
18:09:37 Radio_Controlled: Context is for the weak.
18:10:31 Radio_Controlled: Hmm, 14 mana for the teleport in cabal.
18:10:36 Radio_Controlled: That's kinda steep.
18:10:56 Radio_Controlled: But understandable, it's almost literally the other side of the world. :v
18:12:02 Devastator: 4 mana for making a big fire.
18:12:42 Radio_Controlled: Bad rolls be bad.
18:13:25 Radio_Controlled: But yeah, you guys are in a pickle.
18:13:41 Devastator: Surrender might work.
18:13:46 Devastator: There will be a chance to escape.
18:14:50 Radio_Controlled: Or they might accept your surrender, then kill you anyway.
18:15:28 Devastator: they have nets and are kidnapping people.
18:15:56 Radio_Controlled: So they kill (or incapacitate) the threat and take the rest.
18:16:52 Radio_Controlled: Then again, mages probably fetch a good price, if they're selling people as slaves or something.
18:17:01 Devastator: sucks, though, burning four mana for something so trivial.
18:17:08 Radio_Controlled: On what grounds do you doubt it?
18:17:09 Devastator: now I don't have enough to do anything.
18:17:22 Radio_Controlled: And yeah, it does limit your future options quite a bit.
18:17:24 Devastator: Saeko hasn't done anything agressive, they haven't suffered any casulties or injuries.
18:17:34 Devastator: So I doubt they'll go to a change of plans.
18:17:35 Radio_Controlled: Maybe a quick mana refill from your scared compatriots.
18:17:57 Devastator: but who knows? Maybe negotiations will go really well and they'll let us go for a buff or two.
18:18:03 Devastator: Very doubtful, but could happen.
18:18:05 Radio_Controlled: So do it while the fire keeps them away?
18:18:35 Radio_Controlled: Better than just standing there, and you can negotiate while getting some mana I think.
18:19:09 Devastator: Eh, that's doing two different things at once. It seems I need to do a bunch of things to get mana from someone.
18:19:43 Devastator: but you could be right.
18:20:28 Radio_Controlled: Hmm, do you? I thought it was just close physical contact?
18:20:51 Radio_Controlled: I mean, you could pretend to be hugging the nearest dude because you're scared.
18:21:27 Devastator: It is close physical contact, and
PW might let me do it, but I think I'm supposed to be conducting a ritual that takes the form of a hug.
18:21:44 Radio_Controlled: It's up to you of course, but more mana will be good in general, whether to buy or fight them off.
18:22:01 Radio_Controlled: You could add it as a conditional, then
pw can decide if it makes sense.
18:24:15 Devastator: but yeah, skelebones for
PW should be okay. ;-p
18:27:10 Radio_Controlled: By the way, the EU's new privacy rules came into effect recently.
18:28:10 Radio_Controlled: Been buried under emails of people telling me they're updating their privacy rules, only some of which actually mention the real reason they're doing it. :p
18:46:15 Devastator:
MJ was working in that field.
18:46:43 Devastator: To be honest, it'd be nice to see some of the dirty business behind the scenes, so some kind of new rules are necessary.
18:46:56 Devastator: It doesn't mean they're all good. Mandated privacy officers are a shit idea, for instance.
18:49:47 Devastator: I wonder if that's where oblivion skeletons are when they're not summoned.
19:32:41 Radio_Controlled: Oh, and Zuckerberg's questioning by the parliament was rather brutal from what I've heard.
19:34:41 Radio_Controlled: Apparently, didn't see it myself yet.
19:35:08 Radio_Controlled: But yes, he was questioned by the EU parliament about the FB scandal, and they, ah, were less than impressed by his answers. :v
19:38:34 Devastator: "I don't know how my algorithms work"
19:39:07 Radio_Controlled: Are you watching it?
19:40:31 Devastator: It was a nasty scandal, though.
19:43:03 Radio_Controlled: Of to get some food.
19:43:28 Radio_Controlled: Hopefully that will not turn out to be a nasty scandal.
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