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02:46:28 Topic for #einsteinianroulette: MJ should read Extinction!
02:46:28 Topic set by syv [Thursday 29 June 2023, 06:20:36]
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06:08:17 Devastator: agg, there's one of the Kilrathi heavy fighters waiting for me on the other side of this jump point.
06:08:27 Devastator: and I've got an unupgraded starter ship.
06:12:54 syv: I assume the Kill Wrath Eeee! are evil, violent, and angry?
06:13:21 Devastator: it's very vaguely set in the Wing Commander universe.
06:13:32 Devastator: The Kilrathi are the space Klingons. Also cats.
06:18:48 Devastator: They're as violent as cats and as evil and angry as cats.
06:19:53 Devastator: They're also really nice to fight in boarding actions, if you can manage to not die, because they use super-guns that sell for like 10% of the cost of a ship.
06:24:10 syv: Actual housecats would be a lot cooler
06:24:29 syv: I like
Egan's Ocean setting
06:24:52 Egan: ocean kitties could be pirates
06:24:54 syv: He's brave enough to just make an important species actual literal housecats, just they're intelligent and can talk.
06:24:54 Devastator: Yeah, basically lion furries.
06:25:38 syv: I raised this point with Leng when talking about my char, pointing out that furries are really kinda boring.
06:25:53 syv: Just people with weird heads and fur most of the time
06:26:01 Egan: they're wildcats, and more dog sized
06:26:07 syv: And most actual furries don't even make anything like interesting lore
06:26:30 Devastator: They're elves with fur.
06:26:52 syv: I wish the Elder Scrolls games did interesting stuff with khajiit subspecies.
06:27:02 Egan: and non-social sapients, so a little of of blue-orange morality, which works well for klingon-likes
06:27:19 syv: I recall reading one of the in-game books about military tactics with a bunch of their weird ass subspecies, and have ALWAYS thought that was so cool
06:27:28 Egan: intelligence evolved to be better at sorcery, hehe
06:27:32 Devastator: Half of that was just because they couldn't decide on a model and the lore guys were high on drugs.
06:27:45 syv: More furries need to get high, clearly.
06:28:14 Egan: yeah I wish you could choose your khajiit subrace in elder scrolls
06:28:34 Egan: just make half the race choices be different khajiit :p
06:28:48 Devastator: There are like six different kinds of elves, right?
06:28:58 syv: "Remember that incident where someone crashed a furry con by trying to poison them with chlorine gas? Fund my patreon and I'll recreate it, just with LSD! Let's make the furry fandom INTERESTING!"
06:29:33 Egan: and zero kinds of (extant) dwarves >:|
06:29:33 syv: Orcs are elves too, which I guess is actually classic rather than a subversion.
06:29:55 Devastator: I don't know, there are some interesting elf lore in TES.
06:30:12 Devastator: Dark elves being assholes to the point where they have mages literally married to clones of themselves is impressive.
06:30:17 syv: Dwemer, Bosmer, Altmer, Dunmer, Orsimer...
06:30:53 syv googles whether khajiit are actually elves too
06:31:20 Egan: yeah I think it's split into humans and elves
06:31:35 syv: Seven I can think of, then.
06:31:41 Egan: unless the lizzords are actually different
06:31:46 Devastator: humans, elves, and dragons.
06:31:51 Devastator: and yeah, the lizards might be different.
06:32:01 Devastator: and no, I'm not counting recent lore for dragons. ;-p
06:32:02 Egan: something something hist sap
06:32:14 Egan: how many year back is "recent"
06:32:33 Devastator: for dragons, anything before skyrim.
06:32:38 Devastator: for other stuff, skyrim and later is fine.
06:33:28 syv: Argonians are unrelated apparently
06:33:37 Devastator: Sure, about that, yeah.
06:35:00 Devastator: best lore was the utterly drug induced madness of morrowind.
06:38:31 Devastator: Argonians being special is perfect.
06:39:41 Egan: just some weird trees doing some weird stuff to normal lizards in a weird swamp
06:40:03 Egan: a swamp so weird that they can never make a game set there~
06:41:56 Devastator: The same applies to all the interesting places.
06:42:07 Devastator: Except Vvardenfell!
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12:13:14 syv: ...Procrastinating about writing and watching gun videos instead.
12:15:30 syv: Ian did a video on the Gilboa Snake, which is essentially two AR-15s ducktaped together. He brought up that this isn't as absurd an idea as it sounds; multiple major militaries have experimented with this idea. Which I knew, I statted them out in my gun system in fact, since I happened to already have mechanics for how they should work. Satisfyingly, this resulted in meh stats that weren't really worth it.
12:17:17 syv: Anyways a commentor pointed out that this is still actually significantly lighter than a SAW, and in theory should have greater wear resistance. SAWs typically come with replacable barrels for exactly the same reasons, but a double-barrel design allows you to not need to physically change the barrels, and split heat and wear loads between the two barrels (which is substantially superior to focusing on one barrel at a time).
12:17:58 syv: And now I'm just wondering about that.
12:18:30 syv: There's a major flaw in that a belt feed would be... at the very least impractical.
12:20:07 syv: Ejection would also be a problem, albeit not an unfixable one. There's lots of ambidextrous ejection systems.
12:21:59 syv: You'd need a more complicated action system, which is inevitably going to drive up cost. Theoretically you could have some redundancy in the system to perhaps increase reliability, but that will ABSLLUTELY drive up weight for an already heavy weapon system.
12:23:52 syv: And you'll double the weight for any muzzle devices. Which isn't a big deal for a SAW historically (they MURDER suppressors, and naturally deal very well with recoil), though IRL the US military is actively working to adopt new suppressor tech which -does- work with MGs.
12:25:44 syv: Outside those flaws, the only real difference from a single barrel design--which I can think of--is in the fact that you have both barrels in the gun at once. For a SAW with a quick change barrel, one is carried on your back, or maybe set on the ground next to the gun. Much lighter than both being in your hands.
12:26:23 syv: ...But SAW barrels are so heavy in large part because they need to be resilient.
12:32:02 syv: And double barrels have several advantages for wear. Each has to fire half as many bullets over a firing cycle, and the weight-to-surface-area ratio is better since both are simultaneously acting as heat sinks.
12:34:38 syv: It would also simply be a better standard infantry rifle than an MG (ignoring the increased weight), since single shots could be set up to fire simultaneously. This isn't how you use an MG of any kind, they broadly have terrible accuracy and compensate by being very steady firing platforms that fire many bullets. Which is part of why they're so static, and infantry rifles comparatively so mobile.
12:35:29 syv: Less wear means more accuracy, and double shots means MUCH higher single-shot accuracy .
12:37:09 syv: Which makes me think about another firearms development that some militaries have been trying, just miniaturizing MGs so ALL your infantry are machine gunners. That's sorta what the M27 is about, though at the same time the M27 is also kinda just a loop hole to get HK 416s while being in the US military.
12:38:11 syv: Still, it's not a bad idea. Improved technology and training has lead to infantry weapons getting lighter and more compact, with more skilled users that can serve more functions.
12:38:22 syv: It's not unambiguously a bad idea *
12:39:24 syv: I can see an argument that in a specific technological and industrial band, double-barrel ARs could be a viable strategy.
12:40:24 syv: IRL, we weren't there in the cold war, and we're not there now because improved suppressor technology prolly tilts too much in favor of what we're doing now, but... I could see it maybe having worked in like, 2000.
12:41:09 syv: Thanks for reading my gun nerding, logs
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19:17:27 syv: Alright now I have the visual the the cursed fucking N0 SMG in nyafor being a double-barrel double-magazine bullpup with two drum mags and a bipod
19:17:56 syv: The N0 was always supposed to be a double-mag gun, but I wanted to come up with some insane way for it to feed two mags into one chamber
19:18:17 syv: It's kinda sad to backtrack on that, but OTOH double barrels perfectly works with double mags.
19:19:20 syv: And the stuff I said above really perfectly suits the entire concept of the N0, being an insane "everything gun" that is supposed to fulfill the roles of SMG, AR, and LMG simultaneously.
19:19:37 syv: Yes I'm aware of this being stupid, note it being named "NO"
19:20:03 syv: It's an exaggagerated parody of the CMS
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20:09:42 Egan: are there any actual examples of a multi-barrel gun that fires the barrels staggered and automatic?
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21:27:18 Topic for #einsteinianroulette: MJ should read Extinction!
21:27:18 Topic set by syv [Thursday 29 June 2023, 06:20:36]
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22:45:24 Devastator: yeah, that's a
syv question,
Egan.
22:45:34 Devastator: I know about the Nock Volley Gun, but that's not staggered and automatic.
22:49:10 syv: Multiple-barrel guns were investigated more for increasing hit probability, not for durability.
22:49:41 syv: So firing staggered defeats the point, the advantage is firing multiple projectiles without recoil.
22:50:38 syv: It wouldn't be an exceptionally difficult task to have multiple fire modes though.
22:52:21 syv: Staggered auto and simultaneous semi, there, bam. You have a weapon with high semiauto hit rate and with effective sustained auto capability... which, oh, is basically exactly the perfect assault rifle.
22:53:25 syv: We know the former isn't effective enough to justify the weight addition with cold-war era tech, but we haven't really investigated the latter.
22:54:02 syv: It probably isn't... but it's plausible, and plausible is more than good enough for me to give it to catgirls
22:54:11 syv: Or wolfgirls as the case may be
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