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01:02:39 Devastator: still screwed in Valheim.
01:02:45 Devastator: have to get you and
syv to help out. I'll pay.
01:03:52 Egan: it's in black forest, right?
01:04:06 Devastator: It's across a big water gap and in a big river through black forest.
01:04:29 Devastator: there's a -little- swamp right there, but the issue was me jumping out of the ship, getting poisoned, and dying outside of the boat.
01:06:51 Devastator: There's a ton of stuff on the mainland, though.
01:07:15 Egan: seems sketchy for my character with level 1 leather armor, level 2 flint spear, and level 3 plank shield
01:10:07 Devastator: there's a big pile of stuff in my mainland base.
01:10:10 Devastator: including resources.
01:10:11 Egan: Can't really fight swamp mobs at all, I think
01:10:31 Devastator: Mostly I just want some real food.
01:10:42 Devastator: then I can make some attempts on sneaking in.
01:41:46 Devastator: also, I have a portal where I'm stuck, but no portal on the mainland.
01:41:53 Devastator: I do have the stuff on the mainland to make a portal.
01:41:57 Devastator: that would also get me out of the jam.
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03:38:40 Devastator: you want to come help too?
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03:52:26 Topic for #einsteinianroulette: MJ should read Extinction!
03:52:26 Topic set by syv [Thursday 29 June 2023, 06:20:36]
04:15:12 Devastator: okay, well, thanks.
04:18:19 Egan: yeah, I would have built a portal but there was no fine wood, and I would have chopped some fine wood but there's wasn't enough metal for an axe
04:18:33 Egan: so I tried to sail directly through the ocean but got eaten
04:24:57 Devastator: I meant to suggest 'use hammer to unbuild some of the stuff I had there which had fine wood.
04:25:38 Devastator: I did find your corpse.
04:26:02 Egan: I have no idea which things have fine wood
04:26:50 Devastator: the dragon head and the fancy chairs.
04:27:00 Devastator: and the table upstairs.
04:39:13 Devastator: ahh, there was no dragon head at main, that was at the base way to the south.
04:39:48 Devastator: Thank you, though, I'm back.
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06:37:51 Devastator: apparently you can transport metals between worlds fine.
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06:42:54 Devastator: any kitten tonight?
06:43:12 sy: Kitten after Saki submits an action
06:43:59 sy: Yesterday I wrote part of an OP for a SWAT PMC game set in Nyafor because I didn't really feel like anything
06:45:00 sy: Damn I write crapsack worlds
06:45:28 sy: Especially the catgirls are just really damn hard to not make utterly hateable given the lore we already have
06:45:28 Devastator: long way to reach the urobutcher.
06:46:11 Devastator: Alida is isekaied into nyafor land. There are no dogs. All are against her.
06:46:35 sy: (
sy) Fuck it you have good odds of me doing that if you genuinely ask for it
06:46:35 sy: (
sy) I have mechanics for Alida RIGHT THERE.
06:46:59 Egan: well, having bad baddies is pretty normal for a story
06:47:57 Egan: like star wars isn't necesarilly seen as a crapsack world just because it's really bad when the fascists backed by evil sorcerers are winning
06:48:04 sy: Yes but the intention with the gun system, prior to it being kemonomimi, was to have four *mostly* neutralish factions you could reasonably choose
06:48:54 sy: Catgirls? Explicitly racist fascist orcs. Just short adorable ones.
06:49:12 sy: Spiders? Drow or something.
06:49:57 sy: Wolfgirls? Evil capitalists because I didn't want to just make a genuinely AMERICA FUCK YEAH setting (too many of those)
06:49:57 Egan: woofs are america, and america are always the good guys :3
06:50:19 Egan: anf foxes are the IRA, so also good guys /s
06:50:23 sy: I do seem to have accidentally made the foxes mostly not evil
06:50:53 Egan: this is merely the natural result of making an anarchist insurgent faction
06:51:13 sy: "Oh I'll try and give all the dominant powers reasons to dislike them"
06:51:25 sy: "...oh that makes the insurgents really sympathetic actually"
06:51:52 Egan: the same four gun factions in FMD are basically all bastards due to being foreign military forces in YOUR county, and you're a civilian trying to survive
06:53:22 Egan: maybe acirema has better reason to be there than sovereign in an international politics discussion, but you're kids who don't care about that and soldiers are terrible
06:53:37 Egan: yeaaah, FMD is what I should run
06:57:21 sy: Is Grimalia or Sovereign worse
06:57:45 sy: Funny how that one faction has kept the same name through all iterations of this
06:58:22 Egan: Sovereign has more variation
06:59:09 Egan: are the deep spiders not part of sovereign?
06:59:31 sy: I prefer to think that different areas of Grimalia do vary a lot based on the local leadership
07:00:00 sy: I'd say the deep spiders are part of Sov, yeah
07:00:39 sy: Though the greater structure of Sov is in general questionable. Spiders themselves would probably have a lot of factionalism subdividing themselves.
07:00:44 Egan: they both allow for bad stuff, but sovereign leans more authoritarian and grimalia more libertarian
07:01:17 Egan: and sovereign appears bad to cats because it's evil in a foreign, scary way, and vice versa
07:02:07 sy: Cats learn anything about the societal role of drones and think "Yup you guys need to be exterminated"
07:02:29 sy: ...It'd be interesting if some more empathic cats decided to "liberate" drones
07:03:10 sy: Maybe Grimalia has drone-only hives because of this kinda meddling.
07:03:25 Egan: the drones long for the facotires
07:04:15 Devastator: maybe the evil capitalists should be bears instead.
07:04:51 sy: Reasonable and would make sense but counterpoint: I like head triangles not head circles
07:05:07 Egan: they live out in the hills and don't bother people mostly
07:05:24 sy: Damn it
ER you have too many neat ideas
07:05:35 sy: I'd still like to play a magician cat in OCEAN.
07:05:48 Egan: avoiding the touch of civilization by grace of being huge, tough, and knowing magic
07:05:51 sy: Run some of them (and keep them alive)
07:06:05 sy: ...Are the bears in OCEAN literal bears, or bear-people?
07:07:01 Egan: the only human looking people in Ocean are humans
07:08:37 Egan: Ocean started in my brain as a sci-fi setting, but if the ship fights are going to be WWII ship fights, why not just put them on the water where they make sense, and to avoid forehead aliens, the alien races are truly not-human-like normal animals from our world
07:08:42 Devastator: capitalist lizards, then.
07:13:56 Egan: much as I'd like to run an Ocean game, I'm not really sure what to make the campaign, like, about
07:14:12 Egan: long ago my plan was to simply rip off
ER, but that's kinda eh
07:14:35 Egan: I guess I could rip off DIG instead
07:18:32 sy: Your ship is an immortal giant snail that is very determined to kill some giant that wronged it in the past
07:27:36 sy: There's some meme about being immortal, at the cost of there being an immortal snail somewhere in the world that instantly kills you if it touches you, which always knows where you are and is heading towards yoy
07:57:02 Egan: just found a weirdly compelling wand in noita, in layer one
07:57:39 Egan: it has an always cast on it, personal gravity field, which usually has 20 casts but is unlimited due to the always cast
07:58:02 Egan: and it shoots bubble sparks which have a wide spread and linger around a little bit
07:58:51 Egan: so I shoot at an enemy a few times, miss them, and when one of the bubble sparks does hit, it creates a gravity field around the enemy, drawing in the lingering bubble sparks which missed earlier for a bunch of damage
08:00:02 Devastator: plus other enemies, projectiles.. all sorts of nonsense.
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08:09:08 Egan: sadly bubble spark isn't one of the spells that does more damage the faster it's going, hrm
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08:15:44 Egan: I took the personal plasma beam perk
08:21:29 Egan: oh neat, the gravity well keeps the minigun bots from hitting me
08:23:07 sy: What does personal plasma beam do?
08:23:22 Egan: I was hoping that the gravity would interact with the plasma beam at all, but it doesn't
08:24:00 Egan: the perk makes it so you shoot out plasma from your face whenever you're holding a wand, but your wands fire slower
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08:24:41 Egan: does a ton of damage up really close, but that's it and it might do things you didn't intend because you can't turn it off other than switching to a potion
08:24:57 Egan: for example shooting out a bomb directly into your own plasma beam
08:25:08 Egan: it also vaporizes water and snow
08:29:10 Egan: because I forgot to face away from my bomb lol
08:36:07 Egan: note: do not shoot the acid-bag enemy with an explosive weapon while it is above me
08:36:59 syv: Most of it was written yesterday while sleepy, and I did not reread.
08:38:10 syv: Strangely for me I wrote lore before I wrote mechanics
08:38:33 syv: Though I suppose the lore here already existed
08:39:04 syv: That one silly game about me and
MJ wargaming against each other reaaaally spiraled
08:40:09 Egan: for some reason wargaming seems to breed tons of lore
08:41:22 Devastator: It's not woof, though! ;-p
08:42:32 syv: War is an extension of politics
08:42:35 Egan: reference image gets "this content is no longer available"
08:42:37 syv: And I guess politics breed lore
08:42:53 Egan: don't use discord as image host, they hates it
08:44:36 syv grumbles and looks up his Imgur account details
08:45:17 Egan: I've had no issues with postimages.org
08:48:53 syv: I was going to say they'll fail eventually, but Imgur isn't letting me upload from mobile.
08:49:10 syv: I used to be able to use desktop mode but that's not working for some reason.
08:49:20 syv: So I'll use that rather than install their spyware.
08:49:49 Egan: unless someone finds a way to make it profitable or the government starts doing it as a public utility, they will all fail eventually
08:50:27 syv: I do think Discord is likely to last longer, at least for images.
08:50:44 syv: They're set up to make much more profit than imgur, thanks to their spyware genuinely being required.
08:52:22 Devastator: I had a paid imgur account. No spyware or applications required.
08:52:33 syv: I'm referring to the mobile app.
08:52:53 syv: I broadly regard any app that some service forcefully tries to make me install as spyware.
08:53:29 syv: If I can't use the service in private browsing on my phone, something is up.
08:54:57 Egan: when smartphones first came out, I thought the whole avertising angle that apps can do anything was neat
08:55:12 Egan: but then I realized, web browser can also do anything
08:56:18 syv: Just rebranding the already-true statement that "there's code for that, somewhere, probably."
08:56:31 syv: Except less true because PCs can do a hell of a lot more
08:56:54 Egan: it was cool when it was a shitty little computer which one could take anywhere, now it's the shitty little computer that's the standard used by everyone
08:58:28 syv: ...Also there's two standards.
08:59:20 Egan: ...what if you got everything that you need from one company
08:59:43 Egan: wouldn't that be great? wouldn't you love that? yeah, you stupid little consumer.
08:59:48 syv: But why does the alternative company have to be even WORSE?
09:00:57 syv: Every apple device I've had the displeasure of using has consistently been worse _and_ more expensive than the alternative
09:01:03 Egan: I'm more referring to the fact that everything on apple is apple
09:01:18 Egan: if you are an apple customer then you will be spoonfed everything apple
09:02:15 syv: I thought you were saying "everything microsoft/Google would be worse"
09:02:44 Egan: my sister used to use a paid weather app with really nice fine-detail information, like how many minutes it will rain or whatever. then the company was bought by apple to put it into their own weather app
09:03:11 Egan: and even on their app, which is only on their phones, there's not as much information as there was on the original app
09:03:45 Egan: at least microsoft and google begrudgingly let you use things not made by them
09:06:52 Egan: "your country belongs to us now. here's some money, use it to occupy yourself"
09:09:59 syv: they're doing their best okay
09:12:34 Egan: how well can you administer a continent using overwhelming an indiscriminite firepower, a handful of highly enthusiastic [s]murderers[/s] spec ops, and a mostly incompetent beurocracy
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