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01:01:17 Devastator: just one-rounded a miniboss.
01:01:55 Devastator: using a roof-mounted saw to get rage, doubling weapon damage. Then another roof-mounted saw to inflict piles of damage and inflict vulnerability.
01:02:18 Devastator: then a couple of bashes followed by a top gear 'make room' bash attack that shoved the opponent into the wall twice.
01:02:50 Devastator: 5 bashes, two roof mounted saws, and two wall collisions.
01:03:15 Devastator: I think they really underestimated the potential of the 'controlled chaos' card that lets you regain actions mid-turn if you hit an opponent.
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03:31:03 Devastator: goddamn it, stupid enemies with missile marks.
03:36:47 Devastator: remarkable how quickly a great run turns into a bad one due to a couple of mistakes.
03:37:36 Egan: well, strategy games in general
03:38:17 Egan: brain too melty, I perform better when parrying twelve incoming attacks with a sword or mindlessly chopping wood
03:38:57 Devastator: but yeah, I made two or three mistakes and ended up really slammed in this battle, and welp, more turns to get kills, more turns for enemies to get attacks in and lay down status effects.
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03:46:37 Topic for #einsteinianroulette: MJ should read Extinction!
03:46:37 Topic set by syv [Thursday 29 June 2023, 06:20:36]
03:55:39 Devastator: oh,
Egan, had an idea.
03:55:47 Devastator: you need sights for your sniper rifle in kitten, right?
03:55:56 Devastator: You think you could take 'laser generation' as a skill?
03:56:33 Egan: they's skills, not powers
03:57:15 Egan: I could pump another 4 points into sniping until I can hit things at range with a rifled musket, though
03:58:18 Devastator: I mean, that would work. You sure you want to specialize that much, though?
03:59:19 Egan: ... but that's the same upgrade choice as you were suggesting
03:59:23 Devastator: also, skills not powers. Wonder if alida could take it, then. She -is- a magical girl, even if she could only brute force that power.
03:59:33 Devastator: I think it might be more effective than spending four points.
03:59:41 Devastator: plus laser sights on all guns don't need just sniping range.
04:01:33 Devastator: I asked
syv earlier if you could take impossible things as skills.
04:01:43 Devastator: he said 'yes, assuming it fits inside the game's desired power level.'
04:01:52 Devastator: I think you could do personal laser sights.
04:49:34 syv: ...A laser sight attached to *you* rather than to your gun wouldn't be a very good sight at all.
04:49:58 syv: And if you want to modify the gun that's a different advancement
04:49:59 Devastator: shoot it out of your eye.
04:50:28 syv: That ensures you can check whether or not you are indeed looking at what you're looking at.
04:50:38 syv: Your eye is not attached to your gun, however
04:51:00 Egan: with glue, we can fix this
04:52:55 Devastator: There's gotta be a way to do it.
04:53:13 Devastator: eye is looking down sights.
04:56:06 syv: on the eyelaser, think about it. Your eye is *already* pointed at what you're trying to shoot, with essentially perfect accuracy.
04:56:34 syv: The entire point of sights is to help you align your line of sight with your gun's barrel.
04:57:17 syv: Hence, iron sights; two pieces of metal which you line up with your line of sight.
04:57:46 syv: Lasers work by a different mechanism, showing you where the barrel is actually pointing, itself.
04:58:48 syv: In any case, any skill that generally buffs
04:59:18 syv: shooting people at a range will inherently be costed the same as just buying the "shoot people at range" skill, unless there's some caveat or drawback.
04:59:33 syv: Like I might make it cheaper to buy "shoot people at range with this specific gun".
05:01:01 syv: I suppose since precision covers two ranges, you could buy (closer) precision or (sniper) precision, for half cost. :P
05:01:31 Devastator: Mmm, I more meant 'one improved rank for the gun'
05:02:17 Egan: and/or steal a telescope, sharpie a dot in the middle, and duct tape it to the top of the rifle
05:02:33 Devastator: take zoom eyes. ;-p
05:02:55 Egan: again, which advancement option are you getting these magical powers from
05:03:30 Devastator: I'm pretty sure you can take at least some of these as skills.
05:21:11 Devastator: and I'm not sure you can't roll to shoot lasers.
05:23:44 Egan: at that point, why bother with the gun
05:26:13 Egan:
syv, what's the letter rating / skill for hitting things with eye beams?
05:26:25 Egan: IE, successfully looking directly at things :p
05:28:48 Egan: and is "death eye beams magic" a skill?
05:29:37 Egan: are there magic skills at all?
05:29:57 Egan: well, I'd guess you might want a wizard staff or something and then you could
05:30:34 Egan: which I do have one, but i can't cast light with the friggin cthonic effigy
05:31:02 Egan: the other issue is that I don't think lasers are all that great for long distance sniping anyways
05:35:28 Devastator: but yeah, you can probably take skills in tentacles or something.
05:36:36 syv: There are magic skills if you buy them, sure.
05:36:42 syv: You have a magic artifact already,
05:37:04 Egan: light mage works pretty well then
05:37:27 syv: This system actually prolly works well for random magic spells
05:37:45 Egan: if I want to cast a spell every mission to accomplish something which could be done by a small electonic device, which probably only helps at the closer two ranges
05:38:00 syv: Give spells a casting difficulty, and make magic ranks expensive. Fireball is C difficulty, say.
05:38:02 Egan: but be able to do other things as well
05:39:34 Devastator: That does sound interesting.
05:40:15 Devastator: I'm pretty sure Alida will go for magic after big wolf. She's missing too many powers to make her human form combat effective in melee, so that's a reasonable way to do it.
05:42:37 Egan: wait, neither of you took a physical gift for some reason
05:42:48 Devastator: wolf isn't a physical gift?
05:42:58 Devastator: same with better mutations?
05:43:24 Egan: syyyy, my team is throwing :p
05:43:28 Devastator: ahh, yeah, those both counted as double.
05:43:55 Devastator: I'm also
Dev. I've played utterly powerless characters in high-power settings.
05:44:08 Egan: no, they're not double, you just both rejected having a starting item
05:44:47 Devastator: I mean, if you want to make the case that they're too weak.
05:44:54 syv: Saki got an absurd snowball power that lets her oneshot with advantage in melee after just one mission's snowball.
05:45:03 Devastator: I suspect after several more missions, wolf will no longer be too weak.
05:45:10 syv: And
Dev basically got double HP.
05:45:28 Devastator: although it's not dramatically good at this particular moment.
05:45:59 syv: In fact
Dev's power snowballs too
05:46:34 Devastator: which is good, really. Lets the other teammates tank.
05:46:36 syv: Definitely half power in comparison. No snowball and it can be wholly useless.
05:47:38 syv: The elder god talisman is quite nice though
05:48:16 Devastator: yeah, it's unpredictable but it can absolutely get stuff done.
05:48:23 Devastator: although this is Dark Souls.
05:48:31 Devastator: might have some weird interactions with elder gods.
05:48:56 Egan: so you're saying that it lets me cast Pursuers
05:49:33 syv: Pursuers has fairly crappy range
05:50:28 Egan: and oneshots low level characters in undead burg!
05:50:30 Devastator: It summons Darkstalker Kaathe
05:53:54 syv: It oneshots high level characters in township too
05:54:00 syv: Pursuers is deeply deeply bullshit
05:54:16 syv: You may be thinking of Dark Bead? Shotgun spell?
05:54:59 Egan: oh yes, that might be more of the griefing spell
05:55:12 syv: It's the one that gets more dubstep edits
05:55:49 syv: It's also much more reasonable to fight if you know what you're doing. It can fairly consistently be rolled, and Crest Shield can tank it as long as you're not in melee.
05:56:14 Egan: still nutty damage at point blank, though
05:56:39 syv: Pursuers is so much more bullshit because it desyncs, making it extremely inconstent to dodge. If you even can see it coming.
05:56:56 Devastator: It's bullshit because the game can't handle it?
05:57:13 syv: More because the game is shittily coded :v
05:57:19 Egan: can the game also not handle homing crystal soulmass?
05:57:58 syv: I don't think soulmass desyncs in the same way. And it's not nearly as lethal even then. It can miss pretty easily.
05:58:50 syv: Pursuers has essentially perfect tracking, a boatload of damage, way more range, and desync can make it effectively invisible.
05:59:05 Egan: i feel like pursuers was supposed to be better because more damage / physical damage but worse because slower, but the projectiles being slow just makes them home better and harder to time a dodge
05:59:09 syv: The only consistent counter is havel's greatshield or crest + the GMB spell.
05:59:14 Egan: that, or DLC power creep :v
05:59:49 syv: I think Pursuers was meant to be the best dark magic? IIRC it has a much lower number of casts than bead.
06:00:29 Devastator: Isn't it also hidden?
06:00:29 syv: Mostly I know bead is spammed like hell, while pursuers is usually only used a couple times in a duel.
06:01:00 syv: Pursuers is gained by trading the DLC's final boss to the random crow in the starting area
06:04:16 Egan: meaning that it has no real use in pve before NG+
06:04:33 Egan: since you already killed one of the hardest bosses
06:05:39 syv: Maaaaybe you could use it on Kalameet. Some people find him harder than Manus
06:07:02 syv: Kinda like how Kalameet's tailcut weapon is a fabulously powerful weapon... for someone who has low damage scaling stats.
06:07:14 syv: And it's kinda weak for someone who's leveled up.
06:07:37 syv: Dark Souls loves to give you powerful stuff after you've proved you don't need it.
06:07:44 Egan: well, item trading is possible, clearly that's what they were going for ;p
06:08:49 Egan: tail cut kalameet at twink levels and you've earned a bit of bullying people
06:09:13 Devastator: If you're that good do you need it to bully people?
06:09:34 syv: PvP is vastly harder than PvE
06:10:29 syv: ...I don't think I ever really used it for PvP. I've always hated "greatswords" in DS1.
06:11:17 Devastator: ultra greatsword man?
06:11:40 syv: So I'm not sure how good it even is. It doesn't hit the damage levels of ultras, so it's not that great a backstab stick, and it isn't fast like katanas and curved swords, which were meta.
06:12:06 syv: I played basically EVERYTHING in DS1 PvP, except hammers and greatswords.
06:13:39 syv: Hammers are truly awful in DS1. And I've just... always really disliked how greatswords feel. They're at a weird medium point where they aren't fast enough to rely on speed, too short to rely on ranging, and too weak to trade with.
06:14:10 syv: Just about everything else has some significant advantage over greatswords.
06:14:20 Egan: well, I don't care for pvp at all and I enjoy mace and claymore
06:14:28 syv: Claymore is the exception ofc
06:14:38 syv: Because of that delightfully glorious thrust attack
06:14:59 Devastator: I was using a claymore, right?
06:14:59 syv: Claymore is actually one of my favorite weapons in Elden Ring.
06:15:11 syv: Yes, but you were using it onehanded. You heretic.
06:15:25 Devastator: onehanded without a shield.
06:15:39 syv: DS1 claymore is generally meh even among greatswords, EXCEPT for the 2H strong attack, which is an amazing stab.
06:16:17 syv: That genuinely might be the best strong attack in the game.
06:17:24 syv: It fixes a lot of the issue with greatswords; it adds a fair bit of reach, and does counter damage, so it trades surprisingly well. And it's not slow enough to be really balanced, but is slow enough to give the light attack some utility in mixups.
06:26:53 syv reminisces about dark souls PvP
06:27:06 syv: It was truly terrible, but I loved it.
06:27:37 Egan: did they ever put the servers back up for DSR
06:28:00 syv: Definitely not gonna return to it, though
06:28:23 syv: DaS is SO fucking obtuse. I only got into PvP as much as I did because I could cheat my builds into the game.
06:28:42 syv: Actually collecting and leveling everything correctly is so time consuming and easy to screw up.
06:28:53 Egan: lmao at "oh btw our past three games, released over 10 years, all have the same arbitrary code execution exploit which can be accessed by anyone you play online with"
06:29:26 syv: "and we were told about this a year ago and did nothing until someone started streamsniping with it"
06:30:04 Egan: I love 'em, sometimes their priorities are wrong >.>
06:30:50 syv: Even better, it ALSO never applied to PTDE, I don't believe.
06:31:08 Egan: and then they hastily bang EAC into
ER, a game which can be played entirely singleplayer
06:31:12 syv: Yet another way in which Remastered was inferior
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09:22:59 Topic set by syv [Thursday 29 June 2023, 06:20:36]
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