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02:37:34 Devastator: Welp, trench infantry aren't beatable by napoleonic riflemen.
02:37:59 Devastator: well, they probably are, but I either need another 60,000 men or trench infantry of my own.
02:38:05 Devastator: 60,000 men is probably easier, so I'll do that.
02:38:25 Egan: just give them shovels smh
02:38:38 Devastator: There's actually a tech for that.
02:39:22 Devastator: I have that one. I don't have the telephones and telegraphs necessary for proper trenchworks.
02:40:08 Devastator: also, for some reason the dumb capitalists built a power plant despite me...
02:40:15 Devastator: no, there is something I have that can use electricity.
02:40:21 Devastator: I can light a city with electric light.
02:40:26 Devastator: nothing else yet, though.
02:41:33 Devastator: I don't know if it's profitable or not.
02:41:50 Devastator: usually new tech is profitable, but if you have plenty of citizens and it's a labour saving device, it may not be.
02:42:12 Devastator: ie, same outputs, consumes more fuel, uses fewer people.
02:42:16 Egan: profitable for the capitalists, surely :p
02:42:36 Devastator: Yup. Although those are good the way down. On a per citizen basis they raise the amount people get paid.
02:42:45 Devastator: but yes, if you make too many unemployed people it's.. a problem.
02:43:09 Devastator: It's a double problem if the state doesn't have free arable land anymore.
02:43:24 Devastator: So they can't just go farm for themselves.
02:43:52 Devastator: (They don't like that, and they won't get rich doing it, but it's much, much better than starving.)
02:44:02 Devastator: particularly if you have laws that don't let your citizens move around, which I just removed.
02:44:18 Devastator: If they CAN move around they'll go find places that need more people.
02:45:00 Devastator: Some of the states I conquered from Sokoto were basically full of people.
02:45:22 Devastator: need to add urban businesses to them that don't take up land and get them off their smallholding farms.
02:45:45 Devastator: then I can add more efficient big farms to take up the land they just left.
02:45:56 Devastator: That'll drive the price of food down, which makes them able to afford more of it.
02:46:11 Devastator: and they'll go from being dirt-poor to being reasonably well off.
02:47:28 Devastator: Although half of that job was done just by conquering the place, and opening it to my market full of machine-sewed clothing and machine made furniture, that's about 1/3 the cost of the handmade stuff. Which frees up a lot of money to buy food.
02:48:16 Devastator: It's not great for the peasants, but in the end they're basically economic zeros. They make nothing and they buy nothing.
02:48:32 Devastator: ie, they make just enough to keep themselves alive and in reasonable shape.
02:49:48 Devastator: 'this block of 5000 peasants produces.. 4.8 units of clothing, and consume.. 4.8 units of clothing.'
02:50:05 Devastator: 'these 5000 shirt factory workers make 218 units of clothing.'
02:50:41 Devastator: Although the peasants I have are a bit unusual. Because I'm in a muslim area, they don't drink liquor.
02:50:52 Devastator: But they produce small amounts of liquor.
02:51:07 Devastator: Which are almost worthless in my 90% muslim country.
02:51:37 Devastator: So they're slightly poorer than normal peasants, because they want tobacco instead.
02:51:57 Devastator: which I can, and do, produce in large quantities, but I have almost nothing to do with the liquor. There isn't enough of it to be worth trading.
02:53:18 Devastator: of course normal people want tobacco too. So these guys basically smoke TWICE AS MUCH tobacco.
02:54:00 Devastator: It's impressive to see stuff like 'such-and-such a country opened a big trade route with you for tobacco.', and I read the find print and I'm going to be importing 290 units of the stuff.
02:54:27 Devastator: I then check a state with a huge tobacco farm, find out it's producing 500 units of it, and the people there want 680.
02:55:01 Devastator: It's also amusing to find out goods substitutions.
02:55:31 Devastator: as it turns out, I accidently screwed up my fancy chair factories by expanding my glassworks which can make porcelain.
02:55:45 Devastator: because to a pop, a vase is as good as a fancy shirt.
02:56:40 Devastator: so I had to turn some of them off of porcelain and to only make normal glass, because a fancy chair factory does that more efficiently, for the most part.
02:57:08 Devastator: I will say it's so nice having access to iron.
02:57:28 Devastator: I want to arm 60,000 guys? Sure thing!
03:39:28 Devastator: Hmm, nope. Can't do electric light without discovering electric generation.
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04:57:22 Devastator: how are you? Looks like the mafia game ended and my viccy playthrough is over.
04:57:38 Devastator: I think I'll do one more with this country to see if I can grab a port and knock out Sokoto earlier.
04:58:11 Devastator: and figure out if I can get to 'major power' status.
04:58:16 Devastator: (get enough prestige.)
04:58:52 Devastator: The main trouble with that is one of the best ways of getting prestige is to produce the most of something. The european powers do most of the manufactured stuff, and China covers many of the top slots for things like 'grain'.
04:59:20 Devastator: I could probably get rubber in the late game, though.
04:59:48 Devastator: especially if I can keep my eyes open for opportunities to take colonies from westerners. I had one early in the game, did so, and decided to roll it back.
05:08:57 syv: A little sleepy, stayed up too late yesterday
05:13:05 Devastator: was worth it to celebrate the house.
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05:57:38 Devastator: mmm, nope, can't beat the scandinavian army either. I can beat their army, but they can call in Mexico and the Netherlands.
05:59:51 Devastator: They hate france, so maybe I'll recruit more and try to attack France instead.
06:08:46 Devastator: next game will probably be a different country, thinking about it more. I'll try Canada.
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06:29:40 Devastator: That.. might depend on how competent they are.
06:29:54 Devastator: I've seen games where they suck. I've seen another game where they conquered central america.
06:30:22 Devastator: but sure, might as well start it. Don't really want to optimize the army AGAIN in bornu.
06:30:36 Devastator: so it'd be a restart or nothing there, so it might be time for a different country.
06:30:43 Devastator: Upper Canada or Lower Canada?
06:32:52 syv: I have no idea what the difference is >.>
06:33:04 syv: Would it be easier to conquer America with Lower Canada?
06:33:27 Devastator: Upper canada is further up the st. lawrence.
06:33:30 Devastator: it turned into Ontario.
06:33:39 Devastator: Lower canada is further -down- the st. lawrence.
06:33:43 Devastator: it turned into Quebec.
06:39:54 Devastator: Upper canada has sulfur mines and lumber camps. Lower canada has iron mines and logging camps.
06:43:36 Devastator: That said, Ontario is a fuck-off huge 'state' as the game defines it. 124 units of arable land, and that's not including the other two-thirds of the province which were part of Rupert's Land.
06:46:02 Devastator: Ottawa is named 'Bytown' (the proper name for the date) and Winnipeg is "Fort Douglas" (Also proper), but almost all other towns and cities have their modern names.
07:14:18 Devastator: lottta work. But yes, odd.
07:14:26 Devastator: my city is on the map, despite not existing at all.
07:14:47 Devastator: it's a bit before the gold rush, IIRC.
07:15:11 Devastator: also, damn. That's the first time I've been softcapped on gold reserves and had my economy grow out from under the cap while making a significant positive balance.
07:21:28 Devastator: Britain is always short of lumber. I've been basically building lumber camps since the game started.
07:39:24 Devastator: I was going to say that you can't harvest hardwood from Ontario, but it's before the chestnut blight and before urbanization took over southern Ontario. Still, it barely got there.
07:52:36 syv: Canada exporting tons of lumber seems logical. :P
08:03:53 Devastator: I think I might go for getting first place there.
08:04:02 Devastator: It was something that was actually accomplished at one point.
08:04:26 Devastator: anyway, enough for now. Looks like there are some mechanics involving confederation, but the in-game journal entry tooltips don't mention how.
08:04:42 Devastator: other than 'maintain good relations with the central government while becoming economically dominant.'
08:04:47 Devastator: so totally different than real life.
08:05:49 Devastator: IRL there were two primary reasons it happened.
08:06:17 Devastator: One, it was really, really goddamn stupid to have upper canada and lower canada be different, given their utter dependance on the same damn river system.
08:06:42 Devastator: ooh, I saw the red bar. Damage was done!
08:09:38 Devastator: Also, 'wolf jumps you from behind' is like, the essential, 100% wolf move.
08:23:12 Devastator: two damage. That's 2/3 body armour?
08:23:32 Devastator: not sure if alida would get AP or grow natural armour first.
08:23:52 Devastator: and also, dammit, I have a level 10 lumberyard that still isn't the most productive one in the world.
08:24:11 Devastator: Mind you, it is making no less than 859 units of wood.
08:26:40 Devastator: at a glorious +43% throughput
09:22:32 syv: It's 80% light body armor with two hits.
09:23:14 syv: I decided to "reward" trying to make him land on his own chainsaw by using the chainsaw's damage mechanics
09:23:25 syv: Which are one hit per successful die
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10:55:17 MJ: You know what this story is way too complicated for my present state. I’m just going to bed.
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