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06:04:33 syv: I do have a bad temper, but I'm not angry *that* often, am I? v.v
09:29:19 Devastator: I'm really hard on the soldiers in Wars World.
09:29:44 syv: She uses spec ops like Russia.
09:31:59 syv: Using tanks vs Sami is a bit of an odd situation
09:33:13 syv: I think it's a winning trade to fight sami mechs with max tanks, unless they have indirect support or good terrain. The terrain in the northwest was way more favorable to infantry, which I think is what really let me keep it, beyond overcommitting.
09:34:01 syv: I should've focused more on the south from the start, and invested less in the north. I tried to respond to losses on your side with counterattacks, but going much past the river was really dangerous.
09:35:07 syv: I also should've diverted more of the left bases to center. Hitting center with rockets was very good in that map, and it would've made it much easier to secure a foothold in the south.
09:36:08 syv: I still feel like you had an advantage there, in direct units Max is definitely much better given open terrain like that... but good use of rockets and aircraft could prolly have shifted that to me.
09:36:42 syv: Though then a worry is simply that max can out-aircraft Sami
09:36:56 Devastator: lbut yes, the better b-copters matters.
09:36:59 Devastator: the others, not so much.
09:37:08 Devastator: max bbrs are basically overkill.
09:37:14 syv: No, I think better tanks and recons matters a lot.
09:37:21 Devastator: yeah, those are useful.
09:37:29 Devastator: It was really hard finding good trades against those mechs.
09:37:49 syv: It means you can hit mechs and mostly kill them. Without max buffs, I think that would've been a lot worse.
09:37:55 Devastator: I think you mighta done better with a coupla arty, maybe only one rocket, and mechs/neo.
09:38:10 Devastator: It wasn't really viable without his powers.
09:38:19 Devastator: nah, they take little damage from even max tanks.
09:38:27 Devastator: and can still hit hard enough to be unfightable with tanks.
09:38:34 syv: Md tanks are much cheaper and do 45% against neo
09:38:37 Devastator: and Max can't arty them down.
09:38:43 Devastator: yeah, but Mds are slooooow.
09:38:54 Devastator: and take more to b-copters.
09:40:28 syv: ...Yeah, but seriously, that's giving up a bomber for a unit with 5 tread move that deals 68 to your md tanks and takes 54
09:41:39 syv: Or dropping rockets which if I'm defensive are very nearly as good against tanks (deal 80), while costing 8k less
09:41:58 Devastator: Yeah, but rockets just die to one misstep.
09:42:04 Devastator: and can't take territory back very well.
09:42:38 Devastator: I had a bunch of 'I can sac a unit and blow up this rocket' moments, but didn't take them because I didn't have enough follow-up units to make it decisive.
09:43:24 syv: Sami neos against max bcopters also deal 20 and take 24.
09:43:46 syv: I played awful with my rockets.
09:44:21 Devastator: yeah, only take 24.
09:44:44 syv: Mds take 30 from max bcopters
09:44:55 Devastator: 3 points is a lot more than 2.
09:45:03 Devastator: particularly since you usually have one star.
09:45:31 syv: Bcopters also cost less than half as much, and have far better movement...
09:45:46 syv: Okay, next time, we do max vs sami on the same map, but I play Max. :P
09:45:53 Devastator: what's a sami b-copter first strike against max?
09:49:49 syv: I imagine max is a human with flesh and blood, so 100% if he's alone.
09:50:13 syv: If he's with an inf squad, ~68
11:33:42 Devastator: sami b-copter against max b-copter.
11:34:04 Devastator: I also question max's humanness.
11:34:20 Devastator: Wars World COs do have strange powers, but they don't seem to be magical girls.
12:09:48 syv: 59 to max bcopter, 78 to sami bcopter
12:10:16 syv: Note that all of these are base game. That map had comms towers, which changes things by adding 10% offense.
12:11:00 syv: Max goes from having 33% more offensive strength to having "only" 30% more offensive strength, for instance.
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