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06:09:50 Devastator: okay, I gotta read this LP.
06:10:58 Devastator: "For some no doubt unfathomable reason, Jesus never found Western release, and as such the game went untranslated until Chris Halvorson (AKA Niahak) took on the project to improve his Japanese. Avoiding the Pandora's Box of changing hex pointers, Niahak rewrote the script such that every English letter matched one character of Japanese and, not yet fluent in the language, used a Japanese-English d
06:10:59 Devastator: ictionary to fill in the gaps. As a result of these compromises and the game being Jesus: Kyōfu No Bio Monster, the end result resembles a 14-year-old's creative writing project half-remembered by Hideo Kojima during a Nyquil binge or something else inane."
06:22:40 syv: ...Soviety Galaxy Warrior in Jesus, Bio Monster. Alright.
06:28:52 Devastator: This is something but I don't know if I can read this.
06:43:52 syv: Did you want to have an advanced war
06:45:32 syv: Sire? I am a lord and thou shalt address me as such.
06:50:05 ER: is that something spectatable
06:50:34 Devastator: I think it is, yeah.
06:53:11 Devastator: Also, hey, magical girl powers. ;-p
06:55:03 Devastator: anyway, made a new account. Forgot my password.
07:00:04 syv: Will be a minute, then log in
07:00:11 syv: I have my stuff saved in lastpass
07:00:25 syv: Which recently had data stolen, and therefore cannot be recommended :b
07:01:14 Devastator: 90% of this I use disposables and generate passwords fresh.
07:01:43 Devastator: I do a little reuse with a set that I don't use anywhere that matters.
07:03:24 Devastator: If I get into it I'll make a more permanent account and generate a permanent one. Then change a few characters so it's something I can memorize.
07:20:20 syv: Ah, awbw *does* allow sharklasers
07:20:27 syv: I've found that to be getting rarer.
07:21:24 syv: So places that don't allow disposable emails need me to use protonmail, which is more annoying than just saving the details.
07:23:57 Devastator: nah, they can be on.
07:28:55 syv: I chose Olaf because he looks Russian
07:29:04 syv: In a mirror match he does nothing, apparently
07:29:28 syv: His power is making things snowy, and he's immune to snow.
07:29:28 Devastator: nah, he's got global damage poewrs.
07:29:32 Devastator: but sure, olaf vs olaf.
07:30:18 Devastator: I forget the tiers. I'll take Max.
07:31:14 syv: They're both tier 2 according to the wiki
07:40:13 Devastator: ahh, whoops, didn't realize you'd captured that town already.
07:40:16 syv: ...This is probably a bad map for Max.
07:40:35 syv: Those rivers are gonna be great for indirects.
07:40:47 Devastator: Yeah, but there are airports.
07:40:52 Devastator: and max has good B-copters.
07:48:41 Devastator: also, damn, made a misplay.
07:50:02 Devastator: wanted a mech at that left factory.
07:51:00 syv: ...Oh man that tank is fast
07:51:06 syv: Damn. I should've gone for the AP
07:54:45 Devastator: Max would call Olaf a puny man, but Olaf isn't puny. ;-p
07:55:12 Devastator: also ouch, mechshot.
07:57:17 Devastator: you should be able to watch,
ER.
07:57:50 syv: A 3k income advantage will be hard to recover from
08:02:57 ER: you fucks picked basically the same color :p
08:04:05 Devastator: and as we know, I'ma Luigi, Number One.
08:06:41 syv: What am I even supposed to do against bcopters
08:10:27 Devastator: Yes, finally knocked a HP off that anti-air.
08:11:51 ER: that mean you can knock it our from the air?
08:12:23 Devastator: no, just means it has more difficulty one-shotting infantry.
08:15:03 ER: this is better than when I played because I can actually see what happened on the enemy turn :p
08:15:11 ER: presumably, if it works like spectate
08:15:47 syv: I can watch
Dev as he plays
08:24:50 Devastator: you're welcome to resign.
08:24:57 Devastator: No idea what the capture threshhold is for this map.
08:27:02 Devastator: ahh, then it's route or HQ, then.
08:31:58 ER: so you need transports to actually capture the HQ in this one?
08:32:14 syv: There's two beaches, infantry can walk across
08:32:36 syv: The blue strip between them is quantum ocean. It's only deep when there's ships in the tile.
08:32:47 Devastator: the light blue is shoals, anything can cross them.
08:33:20 syv: Yeaaaah, a 30k unit advantage, and a 10k pay advantage
08:34:44 Devastator: was kinda ridiculous with the stopped captures.
08:35:00 syv: There's no 3 player FFA map, damn
08:35:49 ER: seems google remembers my password
08:35:53 syv: Actually there are 3-player maps
08:36:00 Devastator: "Kills, 25,000 gold, losses 47,000 gold."
08:36:06 syv: Just not S-rank, which I had on for choosing our map
08:36:25 Devastator: you almost made 2:1 on your kill ratio.
08:36:33 ER: just do not except competence :p
08:36:38 Devastator: it just wasn't enough. ;-p
08:37:12 syv: Ehhh, that was because I was playing defensive.
08:37:28 syv: You traded down a lot, but gained territory
08:38:24 Devastator: Just amused, negative KD, lost twice the value, and won.
08:38:27 syv: And
ER, I'm not worried about competence, I just want someone to distract
Dev
08:38:28 Devastator: I bet that doesn't happen often.
08:38:51 syv: Basically I had a lot of value I couldn't protect
08:38:59 syv: Though yeah, that was me playing poorly
08:39:01 Devastator: just the stats tab.
08:39:17 syv: Overfocused on AA, and didn't realize how limited they'd be in mobility.
08:39:28 syv: You had two fronts and could just move your helis from one to the other.
08:39:41 Devastator: mind you you did have a bunch of stuff that alost was killed and thus didn't count.
08:39:41 syv: I'd have been better off if I had more of an offensive from my capital island
08:39:48 Devastator: an aa, that arty, three mechs..
08:41:00 Devastator: plus I took some infantry deaths just to give you multiple targets for one of your AAs.
08:41:20 Devastator: "Well, you cn't get both of them, and then I can use the B-copter on whichever side you don't go for."
08:41:30 Devastator: anyway, just need five.
08:50:48 Devastator: can you provide a link?
08:51:35 ER: doesn't seem to appear on the list?
09:01:22 ER:
syv I can't see that game in the join game list
09:06:08 syv: I accidentally banned the CO I wanted to use >.<
09:07:02 Devastator: need the stooges here.
09:07:56 Devastator: also yow, this map's tiny.
09:08:12 syv: Sami is the elite infantry specialist
09:10:12 syv: I could restart the map to unban Sami, if
ER really wants her?
09:10:26 ER: nah I'll play the lucky blonde
09:10:39 ER: that's an easy enough power to work with :p
09:11:48 syv: And force us to focus on you.
09:11:54 Devastator: I'll stick with Max utnil I lose.
09:12:15 syv: Literally the opposite, heh
09:12:53 ER: victory march on sami just letting you win insantly if you're in range to walk to their HQ is fun
09:13:25 ER: wiki says I should still focus on cheap units because luck can let me win unfavorable matchups
09:15:20 ER: oh, had to refresh to see :v
09:20:21 syv: Counter infantry and mechs, die to mechs or anything with a real gun
09:22:08 syv: Egan you need to capture buildings twice
09:22:10 ER: fuck I have to tell them to capture
09:24:17 ER: well I have the shit of jack
09:24:49 Devastator: Well, you came after me. And I decided to defend in my usual balls-out overly agressive style.
09:26:00 syv: My units are focused on
Dev (also because if he takes your land he'll beat me), so do not worry
09:26:43 ER: economy in shambles because I didn't tell my soldiers yeah they should cap
09:27:44 syv: "WHY DID YOU JUST STAND AROUND? I TOLD YOU TO RAPE AND PILLAGE AND STEAL!"
09:27:53 syv: You wouldn't have this problem if they were catgirls
09:28:15 ER: but I guess this is sophia game
09:28:50 ER: well this is shaping up to be a meat grinder war
09:29:17 Devastator: ahh, the sadness that is the max artillery.
09:29:25 syv: ...
Dev you're playing Max.
09:29:34 ER: which botes can shoot copters?
09:29:47 Devastator: Cruisers can do so directly.
09:29:50 Devastator: Carriers have missiles.
09:31:12 ER: hmm cly I should build missile to defend my botes
09:32:23 syv: Carriers have built in missiles
09:32:58 ER: my user name on this site also matches catgirls pillaging actually
09:35:18 syv: Your artillery is *tragic*
09:37:10 ER: leaving a dude standing on my HQ just in case
09:41:51 syv: Huh, that's better than I expected.
09:42:33 ER: oh huh he has an actual tank down there huh
09:43:35 Devastator: Well, yeah, need something that can hurt that AA.
09:45:01 Devastator: pull it back, then.
09:45:05 Devastator: and it'll shoot at the mechs.
09:47:03 syv: You're not even using your properties to attack
09:51:09 ER: hang on where's out income go
09:51:29 Devastator: it's next to the little white square thingy.
09:51:51 Devastator: you're 1k short because you haven't captured that last property.
09:52:27 Devastator: also, b-copters can attack other b-copters.
09:53:00 syv: Yeah, it's why I didn't aggress earlier.
09:56:11 ER: I suspect we'll stalemate a while :p
09:57:52 Devastator: all hail the maxtillery.
10:05:09 Devastator: I expect this will be the only time I ever build this much maxtillery.
10:06:05 Devastator: what have I killed?
10:06:37 ER: infantry, mechs, and vehicles :p
10:06:57 Devastator: Don't know how to check that.
10:08:19 Devastator: six infantry, two mechs, one recon, one AA, one b-copter.
10:08:44 syv: Hehe, and you don't have a real unit disadvantage
10:08:45 ER: I can't create a border incident without getting closer
10:10:22 syv: Money invested in my
Dev border: 62k
10:10:33 syv: Money invested in my
ER border: 4k
10:10:50 syv: Border status: coming closer to me
10:11:16 Devastator: and you mean maxtillery isn't a unit disadvantage? ;-p
10:15:44 ER: strange that the people of advance wars verse never though to put an MG on an APC
10:17:39 Devastator: Ahh, the
Dev effect.
10:17:46 ER: oh, jet inside of missile range so that it can leapfrong to assassinate the helo next turn?
10:20:12 ER: med tank SMASH PUNY SCOUT CAR
10:24:43 syv: That's it you do not deserve your properties
10:27:04 ER: aww, not letting my AA run behind your lines?
10:36:19 ER: yes blow up HIS shit please
10:40:32 Devastator: I'll take them for the two T-copters, the infantry, and a B-copter.
10:42:32 ER: kindly halt this aggression
10:46:51 ER: this is border sir pls stop
10:47:25 ER: fuck do I need to take
dev cities to fight you off :p
10:49:04 syv: I wanted to battleship your AA. :(
10:52:19 ER: why is
dev brain so efficient
10:52:56 syv: Click the stars to activate
10:55:16 ER: move in haste and die, welp!
10:55:56 Devastator: that's a shot fired.
11:01:20 syv: Oh no my overpriced missiles
11:02:00 syv:
ER if you don't use your power you don't charge it
11:02:00 ER: geen helo 1 out of my missile
11:03:38 Devastator: yeah, you need to click the littel stars to use it.
11:03:40 Devastator: next to your power.
11:06:52 Devastator: yeah, it basically means you get a pile of random bonus damage.
11:07:07 Devastator: it's limited if your unit is wounded or if the target is on defensive terrain, but it can be pretty good.
11:08:43 syv: This map is super defensive
11:09:03 ER: ok b fun but I'd like con concede here
11:09:13 Devastator: ..how many ground indirects have you built?
11:09:33 syv: Missiles are bad units and should never be bought
11:09:44 Devastator: THE max player is the only one who bought artillery!
11:09:51 Devastator: his artillery is made of sadness.
11:09:57 Devastator: we can leave it off here.
11:09:59 Devastator: the site saves games.
11:09:59 syv: I was saving up for artillery!
11:10:18 syv: Do you want to continue this?
11:10:28 Devastator: Nah, not really. Not sure who wins, but..
11:10:31 ER: wouldn't want to pick it up really
11:10:33 syv: I think my position is too good, but unsure.
11:10:34 Devastator: no, don't really want to continue.
11:11:06 syv: I was going to buy a stealth next, to counter your copters, and then go for AA or a fighter.
11:11:16 Devastator: they counter stealths.
11:11:46 syv: I was willing to eat some battleship hits from copters, since my supee would be up and would repair it and the missiles.
11:12:10 syv: I'd have to play defensive even MORE, but I felt it was safe as long as you and
ER didn't stop fighting.
11:12:29 syv: ...Huh, I miscounted on missile range.
11:12:34 syv: Meant to put it in the sweet spot.
11:14:01 syv: You killed 50% more than both of us combined :v
11:14:18 Devastator: well you guys fought me far more than each other.
11:15:02 syv: Yes, and you were winning still
11:15:03 Devastator: anyway, yeah, I think we're done. I wouldn't say that one is conclusively either of us.
11:15:06 syv: The battleship changed that
11:15:18 syv: On this map, Max is at a huge penalty.
11:15:34 ER: missiles have less range than fliers have movement so they're only useful for denying areas and protecting other units, hopefully sorta
11:15:35 syv: He has no real indirects, and I can free repair units.
11:15:49 syv: Yes. And they only protect units at range 4.
11:15:50 Devastator: If I could ever get the money for a sub, your battleships would have went down easy.
11:16:15 syv: I was paying attention to it, and was gonna move my battleship to target both ports if I thought you might.
11:16:21 Devastator: It's why I saved for the fighter. I knew no amount of AA would protect me from copters.
11:16:33 Devastator: yeah, but that would have put it in B-copter range.
11:16:44 Devastator: if you don't have your super up, even one hit means the sub survives.
11:16:48 syv: You weren't using Bcopters
11:17:03 Devastator: I built a few because I knew I needed them to get a sub out.
11:18:34 Devastator: no, 15, that's more like it.
11:19:33 Devastator: and fighter MVP. I think it got three B-copters.
11:19:51 Devastator: plus it made you guys be careful with them.
11:20:02 ER: not a lot of room to capture properties unless you're really winning on that map
11:20:39 syv: Yeah, it's way too defensive.
11:20:40 ER: maybe sami would be able to do some stuff if not properly defended
11:20:41 Devastator: but he sent troops against you.
11:20:49 Devastator: one extra tank and AA and he'd have busted through.
11:21:02 ER: I like her sprite but she buffs transports and I don't know how to use those properly :p
11:21:03 syv: I didn't want to just win only because it was 2v1
11:21:33 Devastator: parrying those T-copters and doing the frontal arty were the only thing that held him off when the battleship hit.
11:21:43 Devastator: I needed more air units to help there.
11:21:53 syv: And you, like, always use infantry.
11:22:05 syv: Transports are best with mechs, to basically put them on the front line.
11:22:15 ER: last time I played her and it made me build APCs and fail
11:22:29 syv: She just gives APCs +1 move, it's not a meaningful buff. Useful, but eh.
11:22:53 syv: I'm curious how Sami vs max would play out
11:22:58 ER: +1 move SOUNDS like a damn meaningful buff
11:23:01 syv: I think it'd be advantaged for Sami.
11:23:05 ER: but I guess transports don't have guns
11:23:15 syv: APCs have 6 move, too. They're already fast.
11:23:31 syv: With her super CO, infantry travel 5 and mechs 4, and can attack.
11:23:55 ER: yeah but that's just a turn
11:24:30 Devastator: can be a big turn. Mechs do real damage when they get the first strike.
11:24:41 Devastator: four moves, with all terrain counting as one move..
11:24:57 syv: And they have +70% attack too
11:25:03 syv: Mechs can oneshot AA like thst
11:25:12 ER: are they called mech because they're *intended* to be used with APCs?
11:26:16 Devastator: Always been called that.
11:26:35 Devastator: Date back to Famicom Wars.
11:31:06 ER: hmm so that game is sort of like mobius front innit? ;p
11:31:21 syv: No, Mobius Front was much worse.
11:31:49 ER: and has real vehicles in it which is near
11:32:39 ER: main problem with mobius front is that it's tuned to kick you in the balls on the easy mode they had to add because normal mode was kicking people in the balls too hard
11:33:04 syv: It was visually better, yes.
11:33:17 syv: Tactically, it's completely about turtling/
11:33:39 syv: And suffers from dumb "realism" that just makes the game more opaque.
11:33:53 syv: Artillery in AW is very clear, unstandable, and can be played around reasonably.
11:34:08 syv: In Mobius Front... I never understood it and it wasn't really clear what it did.
12:01:59 ER: nah, mobius has clearer mechanics
12:02:28 ER: very obvious how sturdy each unit is, what damage it can do, and where it can go
12:03:31 ER: artillery annoys me because it IS very simple, you just click somewhere and that place takes 1 damage. which means it can't do anything to something with armor
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12:17:05 syv: I'm confusing its artillery with something else
12:27:09 syv: I used to really want to make point-buy competitive Doorkickers.
12:28:21 syv: Rebalance the equipment so it's less broken, and make people fight in "matches" of three/four people, with your "base" having X number of dudes with Y same equipment, and being only allowed to use 1/3 or 1/4 of that number and gear for each opponent.
12:29:40 syv: Whoever is most successful at killing the enemy bases, with minimal losses and time taken, is winner.
12:29:58 syv: Cue people retrying missions 100 times for the perfect run, but eh, the idea is a meme.
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