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04:54:12 ER: I should probably rest soon to try to get through it
04:54:28 ER: because I have things I can do but I just. don't want to
05:08:38 MJ: Well I mean I would suggest trying to go to bed
05:24:12 ER: maybe talking to friends will help as well
05:25:56 MJ: I've learned like two things in med school, and that is sleep is important, and the krebs cycle for about the 30th time.
05:27:34 Devastator: What is the krebs cycle again?
05:28:14 MJ: it's a metabolic cycle that is how the mitochandria generate ATP.
05:28:41 MJ: It's annoying to learn but you never really use it day to day so you always half forget it
05:29:05 ER: I learned "mitochondria make ADP into ATP"
05:29:12 ER: and I feel this was sufficient!
05:29:36 MJ: I mean that's a better understanding of biology then most americans honestly
05:29:40 Devastator: More seriously, can it go down to monophosphate?
05:30:26 MJ: I belivie it can? But fuck if I rember what you actually do with it.
05:30:51 ER: chuck a glucose into that bad boy and then it turns little ADP things into energy-bearing versions for smaller bursts of energy than using a *whole glucose molecule* :p
05:34:26 MJ: I mean you can also just end up with adenosine which is just a part of DNA
05:37:30 Devastator: bought some chinese tonight.
05:37:43 ER: too many chemicals, us organisms really gotta simplify
05:37:52 Devastator: did you see the ninered video,
MJ?
05:38:09 Devastator: The guy with the home lab youtube channel.
05:38:23 MJ: I've seen the the thumbnail
05:39:49 Devastator: He's making thioacetone.
05:44:10 MJ: I've seen the grape soda one
05:45:26 Devastator: yeah, he's reallly good
05:49:41 ER: good for the "chemist attempts normal cooking" value :p
05:54:51 Devastator: so a hammer will be involved.
05:57:04 Devastator: and two minutes in, a hammer.
05:59:04 ER: have to open these fruits. what tool will I use for that?
06:12:34 Devastator: "THey might not have been roasted properly."
06:33:13 Devastator: as Derek Lowe says..
06:33:33 Devastator: never trust a chemist who can't cook.
06:40:05 ER: apparently the tempering part is the hard part and he did fairly well at it for not knowing what he was doing?
06:40:37 ER: also like how he just gets cocoa butter from a packet at some point
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06:45:27 MJ: Yeah I'm about to go bed soon though
06:45:37 syv: Understandable, it is late
06:46:39 syv: How are you aside from sleepiness?
06:47:14 MJ: tired and stressed, trying to get a paper/letter written for my reaserch
06:48:14 ER: ah, writing while tired is difficult v.v
06:52:24 syv: Yes, very familiar with that myself.
06:52:53 syv: Technical writing for school sounds extra annoying
06:53:12 MJ: It's 1238 words and I need to add all the citations
06:54:45 syv: Writing out citations always annoyed me
06:55:16 MJ: I've actuallly got a program for it so it's not too bad
06:55:36 syv: I did it all by hand in collegr
07:02:10 Devastator: I haven't written a paper with citations since high school.
07:03:41 MJ: This would be easier if I didn't suck at writing, but I really really suck at writing. Oh well, Soon I'll be doing the actual experiment, which is much less writing.
07:07:50 syv: "Man, I look forward to doing surgery. That's way easier than writing."
07:07:57 syv: You truly are a doctor,
MJ.
07:09:50 ER: the mad doctors are the ones who can write as well
07:10:31 MJ: Yes, those are the ones who are truelly mad
07:11:23 MJ: I also slightly singed my hair being dumb with a grill, so I look even more mad sciency then usual.
07:14:56 Devastator: any electrocutions?
07:15:14 MJ: Nah, my hair just naturally stands on end
07:17:42 ER: does that ping give me enough information to teleport precisely?
07:42:10 ER: great, I need to make a different action then~
07:47:03 MJ: Ah, finnally done with citations. Probably need to add more, but I can look at them tommorow
08:09:50 syv: Your action is actually the last, then.
08:10:06 syv: Hm, Egan, would Emine have any weapons' caches anywhere?
08:11:11 ER: probably all concentrated there.
08:11:32 ER: maybe smaller cashes far away but not on the mountain
08:12:05 ER: because she CAN just teleport to the cabin and stasis stuff quick before teleporting away :p
08:12:46 ER: though she's also a paranoid teenager so maybe she forgot some stuff in places?
08:15:21 syv: Gonna say she did leave some rocket launchers around, and isn't sure where.
08:27:49 ER: not accurate, I can't make them :p
08:28:36 Devastator: "I wish I could manifest whatever weapon I wished with my magic."
08:46:04 ER: going TM4 with a power drill
08:46:21 ER: making so many heavy machines covered in orange plastic
08:47:09 ER: summoning a functional mech with autocannons all built from distorted drill parts
08:53:01 syv: This is the drill that will pierce the heavens!
08:54:49 ER: how much soul to summon a galaxy sized mech
syv
09:26:52 syv: It's 36 stages higher than finale.
09:27:03 syv: In terms of how much soul that is...
09:27:40 syv: My calculator stops giving me bigger numbers after 5.22194440E+208 souls.
09:28:48 syv: Though this is pricing it as a level 3 equanimity power, which significantly overcosts it.
09:29:16 syv: Buuut the aforementioned soul count is only ten stages above finale, not 36.
09:38:57 syv: No, wolfram alpha is just frozen after asking.
09:40:44 Devastator: well, there's ways to estimate.
09:40:49 Devastator: what's the formula per iteration?
09:41:59 Devastator: I'll take it to assume 'the pile of human souls would be larger than the mecha.'
09:42:00 syv: Ahh, figured out how to calculate it.
09:43:07 syv: A good chunk fewer if they're innocents
09:49:48 Devastator: Yup, that's larger than the mecha.
09:52:06 syv: That's more souls than there are atoms in the universe.
09:52:18 Devastator: 10^(101) dalmations are larger than the universe.
09:53:46 ER: I'll be subbing that cost for the limitless fuel of the indefaugable human spirit thanks
09:56:14 syv: If I were to *actually* make usable soul tiers above finale, I'd probably ditch the diminishing returns of larger mana costs, and make them exponentially better instead. In which case it'd cost a soul ten times as powerful as normal.
10:19:12 Devastator: stable soul tiers above Finale..
10:19:25 Devastator: not sure you can store extra soul outside of the two ranks.
10:21:04 syv: "outside of the two ranks"?
10:24:32 Devastator: Yeah, the innocence power that gives you two additional ranks.
10:25:17 ER: presumably bunnycats can ;p
10:25:44 ER: which DO seem to exist in smak
10:25:52 Devastator: need to snort iqquid bunnycat.
10:26:43 ER: what tier is it to keep the sun shining another year
10:31:55 syv: Determination gives you +3 ranks. I was originally going to let you get another rank for sacrificing a witch soul, but lorewise it doesn't really make sense and mechanically it's negative, IMO.
10:32:34 syv: That said, when you use a grief seed in PS, you're grafting a surviving part of that witch's soul onto your own, which canonically does make you more powerful.
10:32:40 Devastator: I figured that would only happen if someone was a sole survivor or something.
10:33:00 syv: So, say you can summon gurren lagann after thirty ninety grief seeds or something.
10:33:16 syv: Actually, that lines up fairly well with my estimate of bacon eggs dogs?
10:33:59 syv: Though bacon eggs dogs is supposed to be more like a meduka "nope the rules of reality are different now", which should be simpler than straight up creating mass equal to the galaxy from nothing.
10:34:26 Devastator: well mass is just fluctuations, after all. ;-p
10:34:33 syv: Egan, it's cheap multiple times a day for the most efficient sun fuel.
10:34:38 ER: one is probably necessary for the other to function really
10:35:14 syv: More, the current rules of the universe require a cost in exchange for the mass, and it'd be easier to just rewrite those rules than to actually pay the full cost.
10:35:52 ER: simply rewrite the rules of the universe to have a more optimistic writer
10:36:15 syv: That one's not so expensive.
10:36:21 ER: no more gut punches just progressively larger mecha
10:36:24 syv: An innocent could do it for less than one soul stage.
10:36:33 syv: Just need a pistol and some well-place teleports.
10:37:00 syv: A wish could fix Musk easy.
10:37:13 syv: Hell, a love could fix him for free, if she got access to him.
10:37:30 Devastator: is there anywhere a love can't get access to?
10:37:46 syv: Given enough time, probably not.
10:38:27 Devastator: of course that applies to any class of MG.
10:38:52 syv: You do have to be pretty close to do that though, so no talking someone into giving you a meeting with Musk through a microphone.
10:39:04 syv: You'd have to find the right people in person.
10:39:30 syv: Though with ElonJet, that's probably still reasonable to achieve.
10:39:50 syv: Or just head to Twitter HQ, I think he does appear there sometimes.
10:41:36 Devastator: yeah, I think most MGs could get in wherever they pleased, with sufficient time.
10:53:11 Devastator: several cheaps a day to keep the sun running is amazing.
10:53:40 Devastator: n owonder MG power is enough to fuel galactic civilizations.
11:01:41 syv: Yeah, it might be fifty cheaps or something even more absurd, I dunno.
11:02:05 syv: If I gave it the same equivalent cost as the kinetic energy of manabolts, then you'd soul out in a day.
11:02:44 Devastator: that said, thanks to my what-if book, it shows me that sunstuff is less hot than people stuff.
11:02:47 Devastator: there's just more sunstuff.
11:02:57 syv: Just saying that the *stage* needed would be much more expensive if cast at once than if spread into many many individual spells
11:03:08 Devastator: a cup of suns core is as hot as a cup of lizard.
11:03:17 Devastator: in terms of energy produced.
11:03:30 Devastator: there are just many, many cups of sun core.
11:04:27 syv: Yeah, and then there's that. If we, say, compared it to the cost of whatever the upper end of mimicry would be to generate a certain amount of mass of whatever is most energetically efficient, you probably get a much more efficient conversion rate between soul and sunlife.
11:05:13 syv: Mimicry is a specialized class-limited dark souls ability. And is still much more general than "power the sun".
11:05:24 Devastator: also you'd have to eat sun.
11:06:08 syv: Just get a love to shield you, and an innocent to teleport you all there and back.
11:06:31 Devastator: Doesn't that just aplit it?
11:06:38 syv: ...It's worrying that "eat part of the sun" is actually entirely reasonable and not even difficult to do in this setting.
11:07:00 syv: I don't know what you're asking,
Dev.
11:07:19 syv: There's a limited amount of "sun" you could eat.
11:07:33 syv: So you'd just mimic a small scoop of it.
11:07:43 Devastator: not sure that would let you touch it to mimic it, but maybe.
11:08:44 syv: Yeah, that'd be the question.
11:09:19 Devastator: Mimicry might go through the shield.
11:09:38 syv: TK might let you mimicry at a range, it does confer touch, but if you open a hole in the shield to let TK through that would instabake your gems?
11:09:39 Devastator: shield should protect you from the surface of the sun for a second or two.
11:10:16 Devastator: it's deadly, but 3k degrees isn't that outrageous from a heat standpoint.
11:10:36 Devastator: and it'd lock in atmosphere.
11:10:54 syv: If you had a pure as the fourth member it'd definitely be possible.
11:10:58 Devastator: the difficulty is getting the mimicry to do it.
11:11:07 Devastator: the pocket dimension thing?
11:11:13 Devastator: be a good plan, actually.
11:11:18 syv: Actually, don't need the love then.
11:11:21 Devastator: if you wanted to get a sunbolt for a weapon or something.
11:11:32 Devastator: 'immune to environmental effects'
11:11:39 Devastator: Making that word do work.
11:12:14 syv: Innocent casts timestop, drags the curiousity and pure along, pure casts ruler's rune, uses that to protect from the sun and scoop out + contain a part of the sun. Curio mimics it.
11:12:19 ER: don't shield, just max painless or convol
11:12:34 ER: explicit immunity to damage stopping you
11:12:46 Devastator: you could also throw an offspring into the sun.
11:13:19 ER: timestop teleport stasis a bit of the surface of the sun
11:13:32 Devastator: there are a lot of ways to do it, yeah.
11:13:37 syv: ...Actually, no, could do it with the innocent alone. Timestop, teleport to the sun, shove a bit of it into L3 stasis, teleport back. Then the innocent just pulls out the sunscoop for the curiousity when they get back.
11:13:53 syv: Painless doesn't give soul gem immunity to damage.
11:14:16 syv: Don't believe convalesence does either.
11:14:19 Devastator: yeah, a sun encounter would kill the painless fast.
11:14:33 syv: They just make the body functionally not care about wounds.
11:14:51 ER: hmm all the more reason to hoard some pocketsun to toss at people
11:14:54 syv: Thooough if your gem is in your stomach, convalesence might regen your body faster than the heat can eat through it.
11:15:00 Devastator: Convalescence 3 wouldn't?
11:15:09 Devastator: I'd say it could manage to get the job done.
11:15:20 Devastator: ahh, yeah, but not if your gem is out there.
11:15:35 Devastator: yeah, convalescence 3 on alida might do it.
11:15:57 Devastator: but theoretically she wouldn't need starstuff. Just wait long enough to grow that big. ;-p
11:16:28 syv: I guess wound link works as well. Just need a love back on the planet to take the immolation damage.
11:16:37 ER: too bad I didn't think of primarilly arming myself with sun shards in smak
11:16:48 syv: There's a lot of ways to eat the stars in this game, huh.
11:16:51 Devastator: creative could go over.
11:17:00 Devastator: mimic something that'll stand up to the sun for a moment or two.
11:17:03 Devastator: then teleport back.
11:17:04 ER: who needs outburst grenades when I can just yeet that at people
11:17:17 Devastator: I do admit, starstuff on tap would be a damn fine weapon.
11:17:37 syv: I'll totally just give that to you now if you did.
11:17:58 ER: Figured I wouldn't need it :p
11:17:59 Devastator: I don't think you can lift the sun anyway. ;-p
11:18:21 ER: going to celestial bodies is teleport 2 and not 3 isn't it
11:18:26 Devastator: I'm very dissapointed you said creative forms wouldn't stack with stasis.
11:18:26 syv: Teleport into a solar plume and grab a glob!
11:18:31 Devastator: it'd be really nice to drop anvils on people.
11:18:36 ER: because you're not personally familiar with the surface
11:18:50 syv: It'd be really nice to drop tanks on people,
Dev.
11:19:04 Devastator: I figure anvil lifting would be easier than tank lifting.
11:19:20 Devastator: so less time spent finding an anvil and making a form to lift one.
11:19:28 Devastator: so you can teleport to any star?
11:19:35 Devastator: someone totally should have done that in game.
11:19:47 Devastator: "I can teleport to the moon?"
11:19:51 syv: But I'd find it fun to let you eat a star, so I'd allow that.
11:20:15 syv: Though... now you're making me curious.
11:20:22 Devastator: IS3 purity with teleport.
11:20:27 Devastator: totally should have lived on the moon.
11:20:28 syv: Lore wise I guess there's nothing wrong with a magical girl teleporting through space.
11:20:33 Devastator: just to be able to do that.
11:20:38 ER: too bad the refuge can only have one door open at a time, no way to YOUR PRECIOUS MOON people
11:20:41 syv: And game wise... it doesn't really hurt anything.
11:20:51 ER: besides just grabbing them and teleporting I guess
11:20:53 syv: Yeah, you can go to space, but there's no real benefit to that?
11:21:09 Devastator: Moonbase would be too cool to not do.
11:21:19 syv: So maybe I would just let innocents teleport into space if they want.
11:21:31 Devastator: the worry is getting back.
11:21:40 ER: break into an exoplanet observatory, make them tell you which star most likely has earthlike planets
11:21:50 ER: and leave this hellhole behind you
11:22:15 Devastator: no witches in space.
11:22:52 ER: just find some alien sobs you can MGify
11:23:20 Devastator: yeah, I'm pretty sure.
11:23:26 Devastator: you won't find a witch in space.
11:23:50 syv: Bold of you to assume big means anything to a witch
11:23:55 syv: Or space, for that matter.
11:25:23 syv: Witches are not spacially locked. They functionally choose where they want to manifest. And manifestation isn't really limited spacially. It's only limited conceptually, IE in that choice.
11:25:32 Devastator: Alida's really hoping big matters to a witch. ;-p
11:25:47 syv: If there's magical girls in space, there's really no reason there can't be witches in space.
11:26:07 syv: They just wouldn't have a reason to go there, unless they wanted specifically to go to you, which is conceivable.
11:26:21 syv: After all, Pumsy would probably visit you in space eventually.
11:27:27 Devastator: would he complain about it?
11:28:09 ER: what happens if I toss my soul gem into the event horizon
11:28:22 syv: It gets ripped apart, like anything else.
11:28:33 ER: what happens if I teleport PAST the event horizon
11:28:48 syv: I'm sorry, can you see past the event horizon?
11:29:49 Devastator: You see stuff falling into the black hole.
11:29:59 Devastator: the part where you can't see anything is well inside where the event horizon actually is.
11:30:16 Devastator: it's already gone, but it isn't immediately apparent when you cross it.
11:31:37 syv: No, the event horizon is where the escape velocity is beyond the speed of light, so while there's things just beyond it you can *barely* see, shouldn't it be 100% impossible to see things just past?
11:35:20 Devastator: very much depends on your path into the black hole.
11:36:34 syv: I thought that the even horizon was the point at which something traveling exactly at c cannot gain more distance from the black hole.
11:37:13 Devastator: But it's also the point where all paths lead towards the black hole.
11:37:24 Devastator: There are some paths that take more time between the radius and the singularity.
11:37:33 Devastator: so you can 'catch up' to light depending on how you fall.
11:40:28 Devastator: there are much better renditions of that these days.
11:40:32 Devastator: I should find one of those.
11:43:24 syv: That's not seeing below you though, so much as falling past something, yeah?
11:43:45 Devastator: it looks like you're seeing below you.
11:44:01 syv: At most, I guess you could... "see something below you as it used to be when it was above you"?
11:46:09 Devastator: but it's all dependant on your path.
11:46:24 Devastator: if you fall directly into a black hole, the event horizon is the point where the universe you can see shrinks to a point.
11:46:36 Devastator: if you fall with momentum different things happen.
11:48:32 syv: Well, I guess I don't need to know this to answer
ER's question, anyway.
11:48:49 syv: If you teleport into a black hole you die.
11:49:24 syv: Your soul still becomes a witch outside of it though.
11:50:00 ER: okay but I bring a human with me and someone on earth cast convol 3 on her
11:52:29 Devastator: actually, teleportation is the only way something can escape from inside the event horizon of the black hole.
11:52:38 ER: convoled wards OP becaue no weak point
11:52:54 ER: just need to give them good weapons
11:55:51 Devastator: "I wish I could eat black holes"
11:58:43 syv: Damn, Convalesencing wards is a fantastic idea. A perfect use of the power.
11:59:00 syv: I wish I had deliberately designed it for that idea.
12:02:18 Devastator: For pumsy? as a MG? Uhh..
12:02:35 syv: BTW,
ER, if you send a new action before you sleep I'll update SMAK tonight.
12:02:50 ER: nah, I don't know what to do
12:04:20 ER: oh yeah I have just mobility 1 >.>
12:07:39 ER: pent up anger but not really directed at anything
12:16:30 syv: The ideal is a proper punching bag, but a pillow works alright.
12:17:40 syv: Alright, that action works.
12:18:39 ER: realized that I have cursed cre and talented inn so... attempting to use inn to hide by making use of the environment? :p
12:19:09 ER: using the mundane around me *nodding*
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