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01:41:03 Devastator: well that simplifies things.
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03:03:18 Devastator: Just need a bit. Tric's being annoying, and Knightwing's gave me a shouty PM mistaking 'you're holding me responsible for banning order edits' to 'you're holding me responsible for the actions of other players.'
03:03:28 Devastator: so I'm cooling down because there's nothing productive to say.
03:04:19 Devastator: Yeah, maybe in a few days.
03:04:44 Devastator: Still though, you need to be able to edit orders so you can respond to someone PvPing you.
03:05:31 Devastator: Anyway, doing good other than that.
03:05:37 Devastator: and this is pretty low key stuff.
03:14:19 Devastator: also, like those
syv orders in Extinction.
03:24:23 MidJag: Uhh, I'm intrested in show. Like an hour work?
03:28:01 Devastator: reading a LP where essentiall you're running the SCP foundation, except less weird.
03:28:34 MidJag: Hey
dev what was the LP were people played these super detailed gods and the guy doing the LP played some water onyl god
03:28:47 Devastator: He decides to pull out a crowbar and start freeing Abnormalities. Unfortunately for him, since the only Abnormality in the facility is O-03-03 and it's an immobile skull, all he can do is stand there and stare menacingly at the door for all of eternity.
03:29:12 Devastator: what sort of game was it?
03:30:08 MidJag: Something kinda like CIV?
03:30:15 MidJag: But like way more in depth
03:31:08 Devastator: also, what's a water onyl god?
03:31:53 MidJag: like he could only build on water tiles and his civilization was entierlly underwater
03:32:02 MidJag: There was a complex magic system.
03:33:42 Devastator: something to do with Dominions?
03:34:25 MidJag: I don't which one, but one of the
03:38:50 MidJag: Cool, I was just trying to rember what the hell the game was and how it worked
03:39:46 Devastator: I've played it a couple times.
03:39:56 Devastator: I have never seen a game that more rewarded unemployment.
03:40:05 Devastator: It's the timesink to end all timesinks.
03:40:17 MidJag: Yeah, It seems incrediblly complicated
03:41:48 Devastator: It's not quite that bad, but there's ten thousand things you can tweak.
03:42:32 Devastator: and some of them actually matter, which is hard.
03:44:48 Devastator: I'm about 2 for 3 in pulling off tricksy moves in Dominions.
03:45:48 Devastator: one failure when I tried to teleport in ~26 astral assassin mages followed up by several big armies of forest travellers to seige down someone's capital.
03:46:07 Devastator: that worked, but none of the forest armies landed in the capital province, so I lost an extra turn that ended up mattering.
03:46:34 Devastator: the assassin mages were not normally buildable by my faction.. I found a rare magic site that let me recruit them.
03:48:22 Devastator: yeah, it almost worked.
03:48:25 Devastator: oh, now I remember.
03:49:04 Devastator: I had the guy with the actual spell that guaranteed landing in the capital province nailed by a homing arrow and dying on the important turn.
03:49:17 Devastator: and I had like 40 other commanders who could have been hit by that randomly.
03:49:33 Devastator: with the commander dead, the troops didn't do anything.
03:55:15 Devastator: I did pull off a similar good move by betraying someone very nicely.
03:55:29 Devastator: I wanted to take a coastal fort held by a water nation, and that water nation wanted to attack me.
03:55:32 Devastator: and we had a big border.
03:55:42 Devastator: but I can't really hit them, and they could hit me, but with difficulty.
03:55:46 Devastator: but I could go for the fort.
03:55:55 MidJag: So how long does Domnions take to play?
03:55:57 Devastator: anyway, I went for the fort, failed, and had to retreat.
03:56:08 Devastator: depends on setting, but like 60-100 turns.
03:56:17 MidJag: I meant more in terms of hours
03:56:23 Devastator: you can spend infinity hours.
03:56:31 Devastator: but 1-2 hours is normalish.
03:57:05 Devastator: after that I came on a cunning plan. I told blue, the water nation, that I was going after red instead.
03:57:39 Devastator: I then told green that I was going after blue, and was going to pay a lot of money to move through three border provinces of green to hit the blue fort from the other side.
03:57:55 Devastator: this was no tactical advantage except having blue not expect an attack from the big stack next to the fort.
03:58:33 Devastator: I also told blue, the target nation, that I was going after green.
03:58:45 Devastator: Blue was friends with Orange, who was greens farside neighbor.
03:59:17 MidJag:
Dev are you actually Ocelot from Metal gear solid? Because that is a lot of fucking betrayles.
03:59:18 Devastator: So I 'attacked' green, paid green a big wad of money, orange attacked green along with me, and I moved through three provinces to go adjacent to blue's land fort.
03:59:44 Devastator: Blue then backstabbed me with an attack out of said fort, into my territory, at the same time as I moved into the fort.
04:00:03 Devastator: so his fort garrison left the fort the same turn I attacked it.
04:01:39 Devastator: I didn't really betray anyone there. I was fighting blue and never signed peace. I stuck to my terms with green, paying a big wad of money for permission to take some territory.
04:02:08 Devastator: General rules of dominions is that you're allowed to lie or betray anyone, but any deals you sign must have their terms agreed upon.
04:02:27 Devastator: I signed a deal with green to pay a big wad of money to move through some provinces, and I did both of them.
04:02:58 MidJag: What do you mean deals sign must have terms agreed upon?
04:03:10 Devastator: any deals you make you must follow through on.
04:03:18 Devastator: like if you say you're going to pay 30 gems for an item, you must do that.
04:03:38 Devastator: the trade mechanic requires that to be done.
04:04:07 Devastator: anyway, Orange beat the crap otu of green, although it wasn't completely hopeless due to the extra money.
04:04:15 Devastator: but even so, orange basically stormed green and knocked green out.
04:04:45 Devastator: when green went to full on collapse mode, I moved my big army (fresh from beating Blue's counterattack) into ex-green territory and almost, almost knocked out Orange.
04:05:30 MidJag: Uhh, sure, and yeah that sounds rather complicated.
04:05:31 Devastator: but yeah, that was a slick move.
04:05:44 Devastator: taking a fort that was completely undefended is extremely rare.
04:06:07 Devastator: and water nations have a hard time getting land forts, too.
04:07:09 Devastator: anyway, red my farside neigbor won that game.
04:07:12 MidJag: Were you a water force?
04:07:18 Devastator: Nah, I was a land nation.
04:07:46 Devastator: nobody could hit red, and red had only two narrow borders.. a one-province one with me, and a bit of a wider one with brown, my friend on their farside.
04:07:59 Devastator: but brown was pretty weak and we'd ran into each other in a bad way by accident early.
04:08:09 Devastator: I beat up one of their giant expansion armies.
04:12:07 Devastator: by giant the army was small.
04:12:11 Devastator: they were a nation of giants.
04:12:22 Devastator: but it ran into flaming arrow longbowmen.
04:12:39 Devastator: anyway, if you do play it I recommend one thing.
04:12:56 Devastator: you should try to think about what to do if you succeed with a battle, and what to do if you fail in a battle.
04:13:17 Devastator: that'll show you both things you can do to make your victory better, ie, reserve or exploitation forces, and what steps you should take to make failing not fatal.
04:14:09 Devastator: ie, if you need backup or reserve troops, or if you really should have a fort somewhere.
04:14:49 Devastator: yeah, I had backup after the blue attack, so I could counterattack their surprise attack with an unseen army of ~250 longbowmen. As it turned out they went to recapture their fort, so that didn't end up fighting, but it was good to have them.
04:15:01 Devastator: meant I could give their backstab army no good options.
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04:17:17 Devastator: and I had that army because I thought about what I would want if the attack failed.
04:18:53 Devastator: Also, this game about SCPs calls the weapon use stat the Justice stat.
04:20:26 MidJag:
Dev was talking about dominions
04:20:34 Devastator: "How am I supposed to use repression on something I can't even see?"
04:20:50 Devastator: "Repression" means "Weapons."
04:26:24 Devastator: I think we were on 18
04:26:41 MidJag: That sounds maybe right?
04:26:48 Devastator: yeah, end of 17 has Betel all pissed that someone can see the Unseen Hand.
04:26:56 Devastator: which makes it just the Hand and a lot less interesting.
04:28:06 Devastator: okay, closeup of puck.
04:38:49 MidJag: Puck looks like shadow the hedghog right nwo
04:39:16 Devastator: you do not kill the great spirit puck that easily.
04:39:16 MidJag: Brain Trembly guy is intresting
04:41:22 MidJag: See? Literally every useful thing is just people insulting Car while providing useful information.
04:42:07 MidJag: Thats an impressive amount of frostbite.
04:43:00 MidJag: Appa man has a weird infintely regnetating day.
04:43:10 MidJag: Of just Car doing something weird and running away.
04:44:26 MidJag: Car is impressively stuipid in many different ways
04:44:45 MidJag: But I gotta respect his commitment, full sends every time.
04:45:09 Devastator: Yes, he never just puts one foot in it, does he?
04:45:28 Devastator: jump right in, both feet, pinching nostrils closed.
04:46:14 syv: It's an admirable trait, really. Works great with his power.
04:46:27 MidJag: PRogress by trial and error?
04:48:03 MidJag: I wonder, if Car dies of old age without hitting a checkpoint does he just reset to hear?
04:48:24 Devastator: but yeah, best girl. ;-p
04:48:42 MidJag: Does a half demon end up with two halves of a horn?
04:48:49 Devastator: Who the hell knows.
04:49:09 Devastator: but I'm just amused at this sequence.
04:49:32 Devastator: It's a lot of poking fun at the shippers. But not -just- that.
04:50:30 MidJag: God damn, Sub may have just died of pyschic damage there~
04:50:35 Devastator: You know, Rem just out subaru-ed Subaru. That's jumping in with both feet.
04:51:34 MidJag: Heh, honestlly figuring out how to give up on things is can be really hard/
04:51:58 Devastator: Yeah, I mean.. when doing research it's an important lesson.
04:52:40 syv: "I spent the last year researching the origins of the name Tiffany"
04:53:09 Devastator: Also, this is a counterpoint to your observation,
MJ. This is not someone belittling Subaru.
04:53:32 MidJag: But does he learn anything from it?~
04:53:38 MidJag: Yeah, it took me way too long to quit that masters, which honestly after I did it felt like I'd just jumped out of a car before it went over the side of a cliff.
04:53:57 Devastator: There's nothing stopping you from pursuing it again several years from now,
MJ.
04:54:34 Devastator: I'm also amused at the eleoquence.
04:54:59 MidJag: Car can be a good speaker when he wants
04:55:08 Devastator: how comprehensive, elaborate, and detailed this self-abuse is.
04:55:21 syv: Writers are good, better than he actually would be.
04:55:31 MidJag: Okay to be fair
dev in this one Car is the one belitingling Car~
04:55:46 Devastator: Yeah, so maybe he does need someone like that.
04:56:19 MidJag: So is car still in love with elf chick?
04:56:33 Devastator: Always and forever. But blue is the best girl.
04:56:53 MidJag: Contractually obligated I see.
04:56:56 Devastator: As she said, he did not smile when he described running away with her.
04:57:36 MidJag: So car has a girl chasing after him out of sheer oblvinoussness.
04:57:57 syv: And comfort her, and care about her.
04:58:00 Devastator: Has done quite a bit.
04:58:08 syv: Aside from her twin, he's her best friend, it seems.
04:58:13 MidJag: I mean yeah, but he would also do that for other people, because that's just car near as I can tell
04:58:22 Devastator: Which is what she's saying right now,
MJ.
04:59:49 MidJag: That was a good speech. Even I can notice that.
05:00:31 MidJag: Man, this show is very well written, somehow.
05:02:21 MidJag: I would like this more if it weren't for the fact that romantic speeches are still just weird to me.
05:02:41 Devastator: Yeah, this is a bit of speech overload.
05:02:48 Devastator: but blue remains best girl.
05:04:19 MidJag: So If I had to guesss this shows fanbase is entirely made of shippers
05:04:40 Devastator: I gotta admit, Blue -is- the best girl.
05:04:40 syv: It's popular among transsexuals and crossdressers.
05:04:46 Devastator: not surprised either.
05:05:10 syv: The author wrote a spinoff where Rem accepted his proposal.
05:05:25 MidJag: Is Car in a lot of lacy outfits later or something?
05:06:03 syv: Catboy that looks like a catgirl.
05:06:19 Devastator: There's other elements about the structure,
syv.
05:06:29 MidJag: I thought that was just kind of a standard anime thing.
05:06:48 syv: It's really not, I don't think there's another popular anime with such a character.
05:07:52 MidJag: Intresting, what's neat to me is the catboy is still manly, he's not a joke char or anything, he just happens to like wearing dresses apparently.
05:08:54 syv: He's a pure support healer who's in a relationship with a female warrior knight frontliner.
05:09:53 Devastator: Prussian Officer,
syv.
05:10:07 syv: Especially not while wearing lacy dresses.
05:10:27 syv: Hm? What are you referring to,
Dev?
05:10:36 Devastator: warrior knight frontliner.
05:10:47 Devastator: and it's hard to imagine a more stuffy masculine group than old-line Prussian officers.
05:11:13 MidJag: Yeah, considering they had to invent new dueling styles just to limit the amount of causlities they had.
05:11:37 MidJag: But also fair point
syv.
05:12:08 syv: I encourage you to try and prove me wrong.
05:12:32 MidJag: Welp time to go ruin my search history
05:12:38 MidJag: And find a counter example
05:13:32 Devastator: we could move on to the next episode.
05:16:01 MidJag: Oh right, the guy from babymetal
05:16:56 syv: I won't join the next one.
05:17:05 syv: Kinda just wanted to see best girl scene again.
05:17:51 MidJag: Huh, you know what would be a neat inversion? A magic system where fire is the healing element
05:18:07 Devastator: but yeah, that would be neat.
05:19:36 syv: I feel like I've seen that before?
05:20:09 MidJag: I dunno what would be the detructive magic, maybe fire or just like earth or something, something kinda non standard.
05:20:23 Devastator: "I cast Hurricane!"
05:20:43 MidJag: There's a Druid subclass that's all about fire and healing
syv
05:23:14 MidJag: Did I show you the collab of baby metal and bring me the horizion
syv?
05:23:19 MidJag: It's actually pretty sick.
05:24:12 MidJag: The intro is fucking sick.
05:29:41 Devastator: not much of a metal fan, sorry.
05:29:44 Devastator: sounds pretty good.
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05:32:37 MidJag: weird, fucking limechat craseh
05:48:46 MidJag: Almost ready, I got distracted by my favorite music video
05:52:05 MidJag: Just wanted to make sure we were on the same page
05:52:55 MidJag: So every princess has an assitant?
05:53:01 MidJag: I guess I'm not suprised
05:54:22 MidJag: Also when a dude literally pulses he might be slightly angry
05:54:48 Devastator: "How the hell do you know I want that?"
05:55:32 MidJag: I like how car just comes off as a genius because he's replayed the game so many times, it's a very dark souls approach
05:56:36 MidJag: So wait, there's fully furries and also cat people in this show, how does that work?
05:56:56 syv: It works by furries and cat people being separate racea.
05:57:11 MidJag: I dunno why I find that weird, but I find that weird.
05:58:02 Devastator: ahh, time travel can help you outmaneuver people.
05:59:19 MidJag: So the Russian is the buisness princess?
05:59:29 Devastator: also, that's a fur coat.
06:00:30 Devastator: Do note that Sir Dragonsword has the same name.
06:00:42 MidJag: Dragons word? The red guy?
06:00:57 MidJag: IE I'll kill everyone without even trying guy?
06:01:20 MidJag: Oh did I tell you I'm going to chicago for an interview
dev? I'll end up seeing what an actual winter looks like.
06:02:04 MidJag: So what I'm hearing is butler dude is dangerous and Red haired dude has some intresting familial alliances
06:03:03 MidJag: I like how anything humans ride in a fantasy landscape has the same personalities as horses
06:03:27 MidJag: See? It's fucking weird
06:04:21 MidJag: Her armor appears to be missing the lower part.
06:04:35 MidJag: I mean yeah, but still.
06:05:03 Devastator: That's Subaru for you.
06:05:08 MidJag: I guess car is just like worst case scenario I have to go trhough all this bullshit again
06:05:23 MidJag: So all the whale hunters are old dudes?
06:05:52 Devastator: Nah, they have like a regular army, but these guys all have personal grievances.
06:06:11 MidJag: Ah, so old men in a dangerous proffesion.
06:06:59 MidJag: So wait if the whale eats someone whole whole, how do they learn people go missing?
06:08:05 Devastator: Wolf riding a wolf.
06:09:12 MidJag: I wonder if wolf guy dies.
06:10:27 syv: They know people go missing because all their effects on the world remain.
06:10:34 MidJag: I just realized did the witch bring sub into the world just to cause chaos?
06:10:49 syv: "Whose house is that?" "Dunno, but it's maintained like someone was living there until yesterday"
06:11:16 MidJag: Yeah, except when Rem got eaten no one seemed to notice.
06:11:29 syv: And the whale has been around for AWHILE, so they've had time to figure it out.
06:11:33 Devastator: Sometimes they find bodies.
06:12:13 Devastator: Princess mentioned "Graves with stones where we do not know the names to write on them."
06:12:43 Devastator: Which implies corpses to me.
06:12:51 syv: I had taken that as monuments to people they know died, but didn't have bodies or memories for. Just the implication they exists.
06:13:30 MidJag: I see butlers got a death wish
06:14:18 Devastator: I'm not sure why Subaru's here. It might be to navigate this ridiculous gauntlet of death.
06:14:41 MidJag: So it's cat people, Prussian army, old guys and car.
06:14:48 syv: He needs to be there to see how it goes with maximum response time.
06:15:06 MidJag: I lumped them in with the ca t people
06:15:37 Devastator: gonna need a bigger spell.
06:15:50 MidJag: Cars suicifical insanity is handy
06:15:59 MidJag: And I'm down for another ep.
06:23:29 MidJag: Oh hey is tha thte butler?
06:25:01 MidJag: Car by being essentially immortal is rather brave.
06:25:07 Devastator: You forgot the magicannons.
06:25:16 MidJag: Oh neat, magic artillery
06:25:36 Devastator: Whale hasn't yet began to fight.
06:25:43 MidJag: So are they killing a god?
06:26:00 Devastator: God dragon's stronger than that.
06:26:08 Devastator: but this is about one step down.
06:26:13 MidJag: Is the witch stronger then the dragon?
06:26:37 Devastator: The witch of envy is completely invulnerable.
06:26:40 MidJag: So why doesn't she just conquer everything?
06:27:01 Devastator: she was sealed away by a dragon, a sage, and a hero.
06:27:31 MidJag: I love the beezelebub guy, he's great.
06:27:31 Devastator: new scene in the opening.
06:27:52 Devastator: well, if I want to be super pedantic..
06:28:31 MidJag: It's like moby dick, if it was wirtten by a weeb~
06:28:58 Devastator: No, dangit, they formally changed the name from the arabic a couple years ago.
06:29:43 MidJag: God damn that guys cool
06:29:51 Devastator: I see he brought spares.
06:30:19 MidJag: Oh wow, he really is captain ahab, for hates sake I stab at thee and such
06:31:25 MidJag: I'm gonna be really dissapointed if that killed it.
06:32:03 MidJag: I think this may have just pissed it off
06:32:45 Devastator: It's been a long day.
06:33:15 Devastator: Creature's just too big to hurt.
06:33:36 MidJag: Though the eye would defeintly hurt
06:34:52 MidJag: Oh hey it did that thing when it at rem
06:36:28 Devastator: Ahh, so you can count losses.
06:37:10 Devastator: 21 people is a pretty small plotoon.
06:37:22 Devastator: IIRC, normal is like 60.
06:37:32 MidJag: Heh, the butler guy is dressed like cloud from FF
06:37:42 Devastator: don't you need the hair to pull that off?
06:38:20 MidJag: I like how car is just fine
06:38:33 Devastator: Save vs. Witch Power.
06:38:35 MidJag: Probably because he doesn't have a mind~
06:38:52 Devastator: and he's got like ***. ;-p
06:39:37 Devastator: You can't give orders to people who can't hear you, Subaru. ;-p
06:39:46 MidJag: I like how rems like of Car also transltates to his love of sucifical insanity.
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06:40:48 Devastator: Well, that's one way to down it.
06:41:15 Devastator: you could just go for the other eye too, man.
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06:42:12 Devastator: I mean, you'd have to roll to see if your paladin holy mount could do that.
06:42:39 Devastator: hah, maybe all the falling damage protection is in the saddle.
06:42:57 Devastator: also, he's down to two remaining swords.
06:43:13 MidJag: I mean to be fair he's been slicing that thing for a while
06:44:19 MidJag: I like how she just caught that with her thumb.
06:44:59 syv: Honestly I always took the losses counted as being the ones they -knew- were there.
06:45:25 syv: Though I suspect you could write down the size of your team, then count how many you recall bringing, and that would detect losses.
06:45:33 Devastator: that seems to be what they were doing.
06:46:00 Devastator: I don't remember you calling this.
06:46:08 MidJag: The wolf guy getting killed?
06:46:44 Devastator: It doesn't count until Subaru saves.
06:47:06 Devastator: ..which, oddly, we won't know until he dies.
06:47:46 MidJag: welk I should probably call it a night
06:47:49 Devastator: If I find the insanity version of Descent level 11 that would do.
06:48:09 Devastator: god, that level is hell.
06:48:15 Devastator: one of the worst in the entire game.
06:48:54 MidJag: I'll find some more doom metal and send it your way
dev
06:49:11 Devastator: That version has the low end, but it needs the sirens of some of the later one.
06:49:21 Devastator: but yeah, the IO Sulfur Mine is one of the nastiest in the game.
06:49:26 Devastator: I could show you sometime.
06:51:17 Devastator: Yeah, I think I have a save for it, too.
06:58:09 Devastator: also, those orders are good.
06:58:15 Devastator: "WHERE IS OUR REWARD"
06:58:20 Devastator: "YOU ROBBED A FUCKING BANK"
06:58:35 Devastator: "WE'RE HELPING YOU AGAINST A HUGE GODDAMN ARMY"
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07:16:42 syv: "We didn't steal *that* much, and we've definitely saved an equivalent amount in property damage and loot!"
07:17:03 Devastator: (Note this is all non-canon)
07:17:21 Devastator: "Really? I have here one Ortali Raven Banner, which is apparently Unique."
07:17:37 syv: Assuming all the people we knocked out had good equipment levels, and had that stuff taken... we probably have "donated" quite a lot more than we stole.
07:17:51 syv: Did we keep that, or did it burn away or something?
07:18:01 Devastator: Actually, most of them will get their stuff returned, assuming the city survives.
07:18:15 Devastator: I say non-canon, and then give two canon answers.
07:19:48 Devastator: most stuff isn't make or break, and inside-city infiltrators mostly had average stuff.
07:20:00 Devastator: there will be a few people who don't have that.
07:20:14 Devastator: like Sword Hero, but that guy got away.
07:29:27 Devastator: of course, if the city does get destroyed, nobody will care the least about the stuff you stole.
07:30:06 ER: "I play both sides so that I always come out on top" :p
07:32:19 Devastator: well, if you do really, really well, and get lucky, you'll force the Concordat to go biblical.
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