ERLOG 2021-08-23

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00:05:39 Devastator: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcE0aAhbVFc
02:06:38 syv has joined #einsteinianroulette
02:06:54 syv: I've played Paranoia once. With B12ers
02:07:21 syv: Only lasted one session IIRC
02:07:41 ER: a sy
02:07:49 syv: a sy!
02:08:18 ER: I now have a new, undamaged laptop charger!
02:08:26 ER: the part it plugs into is still mangled
02:08:48 ER: as is basically everything along the joint
02:09:30 ER: and also the rubbery bit along the bottom sometimes feels like peeling away, which I guess I could solve by adding some new glue but I'm not so clever
02:10:48 syv: This is worrying
03:09:15 Devastator: got the cards.
03:09:23 Devastator: well, got markers and a pile of index cards.
03:09:26 Devastator: to the deckmaking.
03:15:55 syv: Have fun~
03:25:54 Devastator: and.. finished.
03:29:29 Devastator: I'm the proud owner of the one and only set of Tidak Sopani playing cards.
03:33:30 syv: Neat
03:33:35 syv: Do they have card art?
03:36:05 ER: gotta draw pretty elemental card art or it's not a real deck
03:49:06 Devastator: no.
03:49:14 Devastator: Just made it extremely basic.
03:49:24 Devastator: need skill to make real art, even bad real art.
03:49:30 Devastator: maybe later, I have 300 cards.
03:49:40 Devastator: and only used like 62
03:52:12 syv: A full deck and two jokers~?
03:52:23 syv: Not mistakes, no, no, jokers
03:56:33 Devastator: two mistakes.
03:56:40 Devastator: 60 cards, but I made two mistakes.
04:10:50 Devastator: can you list Trence's hand again?
04:16:30 Devastator: 9 of lightning, 5 of fire, 9 of cold, 5 of cold, 2 of cold?
04:17:15 Devastator: yup, okay.
04:17:17 Devastator: I think we're rolling.
04:44:19 Devastator: hot damn.
04:44:27 Devastator: syv, you draw the 9 of Water and the 10 of Fire.
04:50:33 Devastator: updated.
06:08:37 syv: Holy fuck
06:11:08 syv: Damn it we only called?
06:12:18 syv: Eh doesn'y matter
06:15:14 syv: What does "muck" mean?
06:16:01 Devastator: you discard your hand.
06:16:14 Devastator: ie, doesn't put more chips in.
06:34:10 syv: Will there be another discard phase after this one?
06:35:08 Devastator: yes
06:35:19 Devastator: bets, then draws.
06:35:24 Devastator: then final bets and showdown.
06:36:52 syv: Actually, heh
06:36:58 syv: We should ask out loud
06:36:59 ER: hm
06:37:10 ER: does the term "showdown" come from card games?
06:37:14 syv: The kid asking about the rules of the game sounds like someone you can beat.
06:37:17 Devastator: no.
06:37:56 Devastator: showdown is not a new word, nor is it particularly restricted to card games.
06:38:32 Devastator: everyone discarded two cards, syv.
06:38:40 ER: card games are pretty old too
06:38:40 syv: Oh
06:38:43 syv: Hrm
06:39:16 Devastator: and no, after reading your post, this is the final discard phase.
06:39:27 Devastator: I thought you meant 'this one' as in during the last update.
06:39:34 Devastator: there are two chances to discard.
06:40:21 syv: *edits yet again*
06:40:51 Devastator: mmm.
06:41:12 Devastator: summoning salt has a new video on the 16 star SM64 world record.
06:41:26 Devastator: Starts off by saying that 'for years, everyone though 70 stars was the minimum needed.'
06:41:40 Devastator: BLJing was known less than a year in.
06:41:47 Devastator: which knocked it down to 30.
06:42:32 Devastator: mips wasn't known then, though.
06:42:33 syv: Ahhh, I see!
06:42:40 syv: We can't discard now, is that right?
06:42:42 Devastator: that took a while.
06:42:45 Devastator: you bet now.
06:42:53 syv: Everyone bets, then everyone discards?
06:42:57 Devastator: yup.
06:45:22 syv: ...I find it amusing that we actually did get a triple 9, which NJW suggested as the outcome to gamble on.
06:45:36 syv: When that was perhaps the least likely result.
06:46:14 Devastator: it wasn't super unlikely.
06:46:29 Devastator: but yeah, a nice result.
06:47:07 ER: is this a standard playing set for this setting
06:47:21 ER: standard deck, I mean
06:49:06 Devastator: The kids aren't really gamblers, but yes.
06:59:26 syv: ...Is having two tens worth 18 points? 10+10-2 for dupe?
07:00:11 Devastator: yes
07:00:44 syv: Then yeah, we don't have to worry about that either.
07:01:38 syv: Do discards get reshuffled?
07:02:58 syv: 1-4 of fire, 1-6 of Lightning, or 1-2 of water to lose value.
07:03:55 Devastator: no
07:05:22 syv: No re-drawing cold then.
07:05:53 syv: Thinking about it, that means late game discards are superior, with people having discarded hands.
07:06:05 Devastator: mmm?
07:06:08 syv: Those hands probably have worse cards, leaving high values in play.
07:06:12 Devastator: the decks and discards are shuffled after hands.
07:06:26 Devastator: the deck isn't reshuffled during a hand.
07:06:36 syv: ...Yes.
07:06:45 syv: And people discarded hands?
07:06:55 Devastator: late game discards are from the same deck that you draw from the start.
07:07:00 syv: If you discard all five cards, that would be discarding a hand?
07:07:07 Devastator: hence the term muck, discarded hands go into the discards, not the deck.
07:07:17 syv: Yes, exactly.
07:07:37 Devastator: so it doesn't matter when you draw, be it early or late.
07:08:22 syv: Except we have information about what cards have already entered play, and are therefore no longer accessible.
07:08:50 syv: If everyone stays in the game, everyone likely has above-average value cards, thus meaning any given card from the deck is likely somewhat lower value.
07:09:26 syv: If a lot of people discard, that means they drew lower value cards, thus meaning the remaining cards in play are somewhat higher value.
07:09:36 Devastator: mmm.
07:09:57 Devastator: okay, when you phrase it that way, that might be the case, yes.
07:10:28 syv: 2/5 people went out
07:11:32 syv: So I guess probably about average? Maybe a little worse? I think someone with an average hand is more likely to stay in than not, because an average hand can improve, but 60% stayed in. And this is low % stuff.
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09:23:05 Topic for #einsteinianroulette: Fleshorrors dream of feline BASS
09:23:05 Topic set by syv [Saturday 22 May 2021, 04:44:55]
09:27:49 ER: hmph
09:28:24 ER: strange feeling to look at my own notes and see a vague lore statement which I've totally forgotten
09:29:44 ER: what is The Snake, egg!?
09:30:58 Devastator: "Come in, Otacon"
09:31:02 Devastator: "It's Snake"
09:32:25 ER: "the five great titans who were once gods have settled in the five corners of the world, where they await the end"
09:32:55 syv: What kind of world has five corners
09:33:07 ER: "with the titans inert and uncaring, the underworld pours forth onto the surface, releasing droves of dead and demons"
09:33:22 ER: "freed from captivity, the Snake awakens"
09:33:34 ER: a pentagonal one
09:36:41 Devastator: A cube has eight corners.
09:36:53 Devastator: five is a triangular dipyramid.
09:37:30 syv: ...Is that something different than a pyramid?
09:37:48 ER: it's two pyramids
09:38:05 syv: A d8?
09:38:14 ER: sure
09:38:24 Devastator: I think it's got six sides.
09:38:32 Devastator: it's two d4s joined together.
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09:45:22 Topic for #einsteinianroulette: Fleshorrors dream of feline BASS
09:45:22 Topic set by syv [Saturday 22 May 2021, 04:44:55]
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22:49:40 ER: yo Devastator
22:50:02 ER: in Galaxy of Grey, research actions cost 2 actions
22:50:16 ER: so you can only do up to three of those per turn
23:01:47 ER: also research comes into effect on the following turn, so IE researching wind power then building a turbine in the same turn won't give you the research bonus I think?
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