02:46:17 Devastator: gonna update ascent today.
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02:59:43 Topic set by syv [Saturday 22 May 2021, 04:44:55]
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03:52:49 Devastator: need to update Ascent today.
03:52:52 Devastator: probably do so in a bit.
03:52:55 Devastator: and then I'll be free.
03:53:07 MidJag: Slowlly going insanse from writing secondary applications
03:54:31 MidJag: Like fuck, I hate writing on a good day. But I'm making a lot of proress, nearlly halfway through at this point.
03:56:20 MidJag: and then it's nothing but checking my email obbsevvily for the next like 4 months. Which is fine.
03:58:13 MidJag: That meme is me right now
dev, literally.
03:58:39 Devastator: oh, got my second shot appointment for saturday.
04:05:19 Devastator: looks like BC is going to just creep over 80% vaccine takeup.
04:05:28 Devastator: well, like 81% or so.
04:07:01 MidJag: Neat. Alabmas is still just embarassing.
04:07:44 Devastator: one of three states where it seems they made it actively hard to get it, even if you want it.
04:08:05 Devastator: Alabama, Louisiana, and Mississippi.
04:08:08 MidJag: Yeah, no legimettlly one of my friends has been trying to get his for like a week
04:08:31 Devastator: every other state, pro-democratic areas got more shots than less democratic areas.
04:08:32 MidJag: And that's after I spent 3 weeks convincing him to get it.
04:08:49 Devastator: Might be the most convincing argument, really.
04:09:01 Devastator: "These are the three states where they won't let you get it"
04:09:09 Devastator: "And those who want it are the sheep?"
04:11:22 Devastator: eh, use the term "Compliant"
04:11:29 Devastator: it's the current go-to derogatory term.
04:11:43 Devastator: Quite the turn around from 'anarchist radicals'
04:11:46 Devastator: who are now 'compliant'
04:12:01 Devastator: Remember, if you can prove up is down, you can prove anything.
04:17:52 Devastator: of course you beat the 14 required to get Dane to speak up.
04:36:10 Devastator: I was going to go further, but that 15..
04:40:50 ER: link me cells again if you want me to watch that
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04:51:07 MidJag: I'd be down in like 30 mintues
05:35:32 MidJag: sorry, uhh, maybe antoher 30 mintues?
05:40:18 ER: I think it would be wise for me to go to bed before then,
MidJag
05:40:38 MidJag: apologies, I can wartch in like 10 mintues if that works better
05:43:22 ER: aww, not the spiderman game I had as a kid
05:43:28 ER: looks fairly similar though
05:46:12 Devastator: ep 3 next, I think.
05:49:23 MJ: okay, I think maybe the computer people are neurons?
05:49:46 MJ: Maybe the orange book lady is a memory B cell?
05:49:55 ER: why aren't the buildings made out of people?
05:50:04 Devastator: I think they have people living in them.
05:50:07 Devastator: and maintaining them.
05:50:11 Devastator: so it's sort of like that.
05:50:36 MJ: Which means it's an immune cell that hasn't ecnoutred a pathogen yet
05:50:50 MJ: So it just wants to murder literally everything and then explode and tell the other clels.
05:51:15 Devastator: okay, so virus infected cells are zombies.
05:51:22 Devastator: also, that doesn't seem about right. ;-p
05:51:57 MJ: I dunno, Cells infected by viruses are pretty much zombies
05:52:11 MJ: All they do is make more viruses and then explode.
05:52:24 MJ: I think Natrual killer cells get guns
05:52:44 MJ: Not gonna lie, it might be sleep deprivation, but I kimnda love it.
05:53:16 Devastator: I think the knives are stand-ins for cells that kill pathogens by eating them.
05:53:21 MJ: Fuck, my goddamn player always freezes on the fucking song, but just hte visuals
05:53:30 Devastator: I mean the frightened kid instead of MURDER ALL
05:53:48 Devastator: do we need to pause?
05:54:28 Devastator: pause it, go to 4:45, and ready.
05:54:53 MJ: Hmm, actually I think the neutrophil is supposed to bring things to the naive T cell.
05:55:06 Devastator: maybe some other cell.
05:56:52 Devastator: this guy just gets sick all the time.
05:57:07 Devastator: although I suppose you fight off mild infections all the time, I guess.
05:58:01 MJ: I'm not sure what she is actually
05:58:08 Devastator: well, we'll find out.
05:58:11 Devastator: they don't have names.
05:58:47 MJ: Yes, they're called macrophages because they're literally large
05:58:53 MJ: And consume a bunch of cells
05:59:01 Devastator: they're the ones that take up debris and whole bad cells, right?
06:00:01 Devastator: looks just like a beefier white blood cell. ;-p
06:00:25 Devastator: maybe they want him to kill one so he grows up.
06:00:45 MJ: Oh I guess that guys a memory T cell
06:00:56 MJ: He tells things how to make antibodies IIRc
06:01:27 Devastator: yeah, these guys are all about the melee.
06:02:10 Devastator: "We're red blood cells, so we do.. pretty much nothing?"
06:02:23 Devastator: ahh, that's the tree thing.
06:02:35 MJ: I mean red blood cells really don't do much beyond carry oxygen and CO2
06:02:52 MJ: They don't even have nucleuses
06:02:55 Devastator: I like that, I mean.. it's important, but they seem to be extraordinarly helpless.
06:03:04 ER: inject him with the fighty data juice
06:04:01 MJ: Honestlly I'm not entierlly sure where you get DNA from when you take blood samples. I assume it's white blood cells, but I'm not really sure
06:04:13 Devastator: I thought that too.
06:04:41 Devastator: I mean, this isn't antigen bits, but it's also amusing. ;-p
06:05:03 MJ: He should be eating the hearts of his enemies, like a true warrior
06:05:04 Devastator: now give him a new hat!
06:05:43 MJ: Nah I think he's gotta kill shit for his hat.
06:06:01 MJ: I guess motivational speechs count.
06:06:11 Devastator: eh, dendritic cell shows him something.
06:06:18 MJ: Techincallly I think he's supposed to be presented it?
06:06:42 MJ: Ugh, I don't rember anymore, all I know anymore is how to bullshit application essays
06:06:52 MJ: Oh neat, the viruses conform.
06:07:10 ER: and remember to MURDER EVERYTHING which isn't definately supposed to be there
06:07:18 Devastator: and some stuff that is.
06:07:21 Devastator: only wayt to be sure.
06:07:23 MJ: And possibly something things that are.
06:07:39 ER: and then kill yourself befoer you get too old
06:07:44 Devastator: I do like how they're always shown in big groups.
06:08:15 Devastator: welp, someone got geared up for these viruses.
06:08:16 MJ: Oh, because he's recongized it and become mature
06:09:22 Devastator: hey, they ain't gonna wait for you.
06:09:25 Devastator: better get to work.
06:10:22 Devastator: sandwich assembly line!
06:10:52 MJ: I love red blood cells just running away.
06:11:13 Devastator: everything except the hat
06:11:18 MJ: I think they give him a new hat soon.
06:12:00 MJ: I do like the impression of a devestated city.
06:12:08 Devastator: I mean, it's huge, but also tiny.
06:12:24 Devastator: you're no good either.
06:12:25 MJ: Or a muataiton or something
06:12:29 Devastator: the normal WBCs might work.
06:12:39 MJ: Yup. Gotta remake the whole thing
06:12:54 Devastator: yeah. Why you don't have only an adaptive immune system.
06:13:41 MJ: Yup, innate keeps you from dying while adaptive does a ton of mutations and tries new and exciting ways of killing things.
06:14:00 Devastator: Yeah, they had to make platelets kids.
06:14:08 Devastator: it would have either been kids or.. well, little people.
06:14:16 MJ: I enjoy this show more then I expected.
06:14:41 Devastator: although I am wondering if they hitch rides to get around now.
06:14:46 ER: metaphors bother me a little :p
06:14:57 MJ: Nah, they just get carried along in hte blood stream
06:15:09 MJ: Which is also how RBC's get around
06:15:18 MJ: So I think that's why it shows them being carried.
06:15:41 Devastator: I have no idea what your body actually does when you get food poisoning.
06:15:55 MJ: Uhh, mostly make antibodies to the toxins.
06:16:04 MJ: And then neturalize said toxins
06:16:11 Devastator: ahh, so like cleanup?
06:16:32 MJ: Kills the bacteria producing toxin, and then has to clean up all the toxins.
06:18:09 Devastator: we'd better see the inside at some point.
06:18:13 MJ: I hope it's got 4 oxygen in it. That would bea. nice touch
06:18:25 Devastator: isn't it 4 per hemoglobin?
06:18:59 MJ: I mean htey carry a lot more then just 1 hemoglobin, but like eh.
06:19:09 Devastator: I do remember seeing someone extract a perfect hemoglobin from an oil deposit, except the central iron atom was replaced with Vanadium.
06:19:19 Devastator: that was a beautiful paper.
06:19:46 MJ: At the same fucking spot for some reason
06:19:57 Devastator: lets go past that, then.
06:20:49 ER: I recall hearing that there was a grimdark spinoff of this show or something
06:21:01 Devastator: well, there was a show called "Code Black"
06:21:07 Devastator: so maybe it's what happens after the body dies?
06:21:27 MJ: It is an intresting proccesses. everything kinda eats itself.
06:22:16 Devastator: some kinda specialized cell?
06:22:35 Devastator: obviously not as murderous as the stablord.
06:22:51 MJ: She might be like an epithelial cell or something?
06:22:58 MJ: I'm not sure, what the tines repesent
06:23:40 Devastator: Eosinophil. What do they do?
06:23:52 MJ: I think they mostly have like parasite funcitons?
06:24:02 MJ: They like to hang out in the intestines I think.
06:24:06 Devastator: so not much good against ordinary germs?
06:24:14 Devastator: and this is the intestine..
06:24:48 Devastator: mmm, well, that would make sense.
06:24:56 Devastator: parasites are like multicellular organisms.
06:25:02 Devastator: you'd need something different to deal with those.
06:25:06 MJ: Yeah, I think she might also do like some kinda regulatory role?
06:25:11 ER: yeah, that's called warfare
06:25:22 Devastator: I think 'regulatory role' is what they say about any immune cell they can't identify.
06:25:34 MJ: Oh, that's what lab coat is.
06:25:37 Devastator: okay, computer one is a mast cell.
06:26:33 MJ: I've got no idea what he does.
06:26:54 Devastator: Sounds like they don't know either.
06:27:24 MJ: Every now and then in immunology it's just like, Yup, the immune system sure does someetihgn
06:27:34 Devastator: "The immune system is at it again."
06:28:02 Devastator: dude ate some bad fish.
06:28:12 ER: life is a bit more intricate than we're suited to understanding~
06:28:26 MJ: Yeah, just kinda slow, and I found them annoying.
06:28:26 Devastator: and reinforcements!
06:28:34 Devastator: here come the billion WBCs. ;-p
06:28:58 MJ: Vibrio make.....damnit I can't rember the toxin.
06:29:11 MJ: It might just be called vibrio toxing
06:29:35 Devastator: what do they look like?
06:30:21 Devastator: I do like this guy.
06:30:33 Devastator: "We don't know what this cell does, so he's Mr. Mysterioso."
06:30:45 MJ: I do love WBC just covered ib lood
06:30:46 ER: blood cells being scared of blood
06:31:07 Devastator: I mean, he does do this a lot.
06:31:37 Devastator: you don't get to mock anyone about killy powers, RBC. ;-p
06:32:48 Devastator: well, we have parasite killer.
06:33:14 Devastator: a parasite might be like a kaiju..
06:33:31 MJ: And a parasite is like a Kaiju.
06:33:48 ER: something made out of multiple people!
06:33:56 MJ: Yup, and shoot it with shooty tings
06:34:12 MJ: I've not actually heard of that one.
06:34:23 Devastator: right that was the chemical thing you were talking about earlier, right?
06:34:29 Devastator: we'll have to see those cells later.
06:34:41 Devastator: or something like that.
06:35:30 Devastator: that does sound like ranged weaponry.
06:35:30 MJ: I think they get involved in this yeah
06:36:04 Devastator: this why I have big fork.
06:37:37 MJ: Yeah, I thikn Eosins like puncture eukarotic walls or somehting. I can't really rember what their mechansims is.
06:37:51 Devastator: that would explain the spear symbolysm.
06:38:02 Devastator: no, spear metaphor.
06:38:16 ER: why can't I shoot these at things consiously
06:38:18 Devastator: mmm, that'd also do for like amoebas, right?
06:38:53 MJ: I think they might also get phagositized?
06:39:18 MJ: I just realized she's got the tied togehter russian hat
06:39:35 Devastator: I wonder if that's supposed to be similar to how they look.
06:39:50 Devastator: WBCs are basically just lumps, right?
06:40:03 Devastator: that would be suitable for ballcaps, then.
06:40:42 MJ: Hmm, thikning about it, I guess the hat does look kinda right.
06:40:42 Devastator: yeah, this show is weird.
06:40:49 MJ: I like it, but wow this show is weird
06:41:43 Devastator: ..I don't know if we're ever going to see leadership.
06:42:03 MJ: I mean there isn't really leadership? Ish. there's memory cells.
06:42:34 Devastator: I mean like a brain.
06:42:43 MJ: It's like milita dwarves in DF, if you set them to kill things they'll kill things.
06:43:07 MJ: And the brain is semi immunologically privlaged.
06:43:19 Devastator: yeah, it's got an extra barrier, right?
06:43:27 Devastator: so it should look a lot different.
06:43:35 MJ: So it doesn't really have any normal immune cells.
06:43:44 Devastator: it does get RBCs, though.
06:44:05 Devastator: also, that commander helper T had four stars..
06:44:22 MJ: For a while people thought the brain didn't have any bacteria in it, but I don't entierlly think that's correct.
06:44:27 Devastator: there's what, fifty billion immune cells?
06:44:57 MJ: Eh, something like that, I don't really know the number. And IIRC it varies depending on the state of the immune system.
06:45:15 Devastator: Just trying to work out what rank would be on top of a heirarchy that big.
06:45:32 Devastator: two stars are divisional generals for about 10k or so.
06:45:50 Devastator: as a rule of thumb, you go up one rank to triple the number of people below you.
06:46:55 Devastator: so eleven ranks higher than a field marshal.
06:47:08 Devastator: it's not a firm rule, just a rule of thumb if you really need that many ranks,
MJ.
06:48:17 Devastator: but yeah, if you're treating cells as people, you'd have like national leadership in charge of 1/11th of your heart or something.
06:48:49 Devastator: numbers too big, really.
06:49:02 MJ: Honestly if they had to pick a region as semi auntonomous the hearts not a bad choice, it kinda does it's own thing honestlly.
06:49:03 ER: at least you're not the one in charge of that planet with more guardsmen on it than there are atoms in the universe
06:49:28 MJ: And your brain sends chemical messanger asking if it would please slow or speed up.
06:49:52 Devastator: "We just do our jobs"
06:50:02 Devastator: with that many cells about, that's the only way anything could work.
06:50:40 MJ: Indeed. Really the more I've learned about biology the more amazed I am that like I can even walk around and not just collapse into goo immedeitly.
06:51:03 Devastator: four billion years of natural selection, baby.
06:51:21 Devastator: and one amazing event where some bacterum ate another bacterium and decided not to kill it.
06:51:28 Devastator: all hail the eukaryotic cell.
06:51:52 MJ: Not dieing is a powerful motivation
06:52:00 ER: you ever just look in the mirror and think about how you're just a big lump of tissues barely arranged into the shape of a functional machine?
06:52:02 Devastator: My money is on that as the event that lead to us people, more than any other one event.
06:53:13 MJ: I dunno to me that's a bit like saying the big bang was the event that lead to people, Like your not wrong, but it's kinda cheating~
06:53:44 Devastator: although it does seem to be a truly weird event.
06:53:50 Devastator: ie, not something that happens again and again.
06:54:04 MJ: I dunno, it did happen one more time with chloroplasts.
06:54:25 Devastator: I mean, maybe something that was an eukaryote ate a chloropast.
06:54:38 MJ: I mean that's what happenend
06:54:40 Devastator: so it was just the second time, so to speak.
06:54:46 ER: maybe we're the only animals in the universe because both those things needed to happen :v
06:56:11 MJ: I just want humans to find some microbial life on another planet so I can abandon all of my plans and become a xenobiologist~
06:57:26 MJ: Becuse like being a doctor would be cool, but being someoone who studies alien bacteria would just be so god damn cool.~
06:58:17 Devastator: do you want to find alien bacteria?
06:58:31 Devastator: because then that means that somewhere, someone didn't make it.
06:59:10 Devastator: It'd be much better to be the first advanced aliens.
06:59:25 Devastator: if we find nothing else alive in the universe, then it becomes really, really likely that we're the first.
06:59:45 Devastator: if we find lots of stuff alive, then it's more likely that we're not going to make it.
07:00:10 ER: I think that's fairly likely anyways
07:00:21 MJ: Hmm. I suppose that's a point. On the other hand, alien bacteria. Think about it
dev, you'd find goddamn microbes on fucking venus, it'd be so cool.
07:00:22 ER: "making it" doesn't seem to be a simple process~
07:00:43 Devastator: although I think plain bacteria wouldn't be too bad.
07:00:51 Devastator: it's stuff more advanced than that which would worry me.
07:02:20 ER: but think of the cute alien penguins
dev
07:02:37 Devastator: if they are, they are.
07:02:41 MJ: Eh, that's fair, if there's an alien seal or something swimming around Titan in the breif moments of clarity before I died of excitment I would be a little concerned~
07:03:14 Devastator: "All these planets are yours, except Europa."
07:05:27 Devastator: Zultan's last two orders in Ascent:
07:11:30 ER: dreamed that I lost a canine tooth
07:11:53 ER: it's always damned one tooth at a time
07:12:03 ER: cried about that one. in the dream that is.
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07:12:29 ER: I'd like to keep my teeth thanks
07:12:48 MJ: I've always wondered what it would be like to have fangs on the subject of canine teeth. I've always figured vampires would find them really annoying.
07:13:30 Devastator: and I hate those dreams.
07:13:31 ER: probably gotta redesign the jaw some
07:13:41 Devastator: had one just last night.
07:14:30 MJ: Maybe they get like fang reducitons? Like the way some people get like breast reductions? Are fangs a sex linked trait for vampires? Does it exert antagonistic pressure, do some vampires with too shot of fangs get like longer fangs?
07:14:53 Devastator: it probably wouldn't be fun.
07:15:06 ER: well they're not a species, they're just mutated dead humans
07:15:38 ER hugs syv into a compact carbon cube
07:16:53 MJ: Welp I'm going to bed, perhaps my dreams shall be full of being a vampire dentist.
07:17:33 Devastator: welp, I did have 'alida thinks herself into a monster' include trying to grow fangs.
07:17:44 ER: I should make him give a review for nyafor some time
07:18:02 ER: I don't think he's mentioned it at all since I gave him his last turn :p
07:18:20 syv: He mentioned it in a DM, way after the last update
07:18:37 syv: I think it was like "Oh did I win? Oh, wait, no, I lost..."
07:18:50 syv: And then was semi-annoyed with me I think
07:21:52 Devastator: that's one of many things Jag is, yes.
07:28:35 ER: and to think he would probably have lived that if he'd just gone one fewer tiles south :p
07:36:39 ER: oh yeah, seems that naturegirl has returned
07:36:57 ER: after making us think maybe she died, again~
07:37:30 Devastator: only bit I'm annoyed is trying for bonus turns in Nak's game. Nak almost never shows up, and then does immediate burnout trying to update six games that should be dead.
07:37:40 Devastator: but Nature wouldn't know that dynamic.
07:48:40 syv: She's in every fucking game
07:48:50 syv: Might try to ca6ch up on/post in thirty different games
07:49:07 ER: she doesn't know much restraint, no
07:52:27 Devastator: might be doing the burnout dance, yeah.
07:52:39 Devastator remembers her last apperance in Extinction, after learning how to dragon.
07:52:52 Devastator: I think you told her that just happened.
07:55:11 Devastator: There's a bunch of games where an extra really active player would have been great, mine included.
07:55:16 Devastator: just every game was too much.
08:28:12 Devastator: Mr. Hammond never got his dinosaurs.
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