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01:57:54 Devastator: how's the game dungon?
02:40:55 er: Not watching video on phone
02:41:02 Devastator: it's nothing special.
02:41:10 Devastator: just the 'bort' joke from simpsons.
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05:24:57 MidJag_: Also I've realized something, I can modulate my accent to be more or less southern depending on the situation. It's weird.
05:25:51 syv: Does it have to do with your latitude?
05:25:56 Devastator: good lowering the bar today,
MJ.
05:26:16 MidJag_: haha, that is quite the lowering the bar
05:27:05 Devastator: "The situation had to be explained at least two times to Judge David Navarro, according to the report"
05:27:17 Devastator: yeah, I think I'd want to hear that a second time before it sinks in.
05:28:53 MidJag_: Possibly a third time honestlly. Very slowlly, just to make sure I got it.
05:30:20 Devastator: although that last link from the bottom of the most recent article is probably one of the dumbest guys alive.
05:30:35 Devastator: how hammered would you have to be to do that,
MJ?
05:30:55 MidJag_: I think the amount of hammered I would have to be would actually kill me.
05:33:45 Devastator: "It’s frankly hard to think of any non-incriminating explanation for that comment, though, to be honest."
05:34:23 MidJag_: It would be quite the lawyer to come up with one.
05:35:35 Devastator: the guy is a lawyer.
05:35:50 Devastator: he had a tweet a while ago that there wasn't enough for an article on.
05:35:57 MidJag_: Clearlly it would take several lawyers to come up with one~
05:36:30 Devastator: someone told him about getting an acquittal because the witness told the cops the client attacked someone with the wrong kind of frozen mammal.
05:36:45 Devastator: ie, a failure to identify it.
05:37:09 MidJag_: The justice system is an odd thing.
05:41:11 MidJag_: mmm, there is a fix for that.
05:41:28 MidJag_: Well I could stream something or other.
05:58:25 Devastator: “Lewis himself remembers little of the events leading up to his arrest, other than that they involved a quart of rum, cocaine and a four-day house party.”
06:01:22 Devastator: add three more people and you have a hangover movie.
06:07:12 MidJag_: Apperenlty prince philip died.
06:10:05 MidJag_: I'm begining to think that queen may be an immortal
06:20:05 Devastator: How old was the queen mother?
06:21:58 MidJag_: apperently monarchies breed for long life and literally nothing else
06:22:42 Devastator: It's hard to complain about a figurehead monarchy after what you guys had happen.
06:23:32 Devastator: Nah, they had like three revolutions. Figureheads.
06:24:04 Devastator: The current stuff is no different than Edward VII, really.
06:24:27 MidJag_: I'm also not sure which guy that is if I'm being honest
06:24:30 Devastator: The english civil was wasn't small,
MJ.
06:24:44 Devastator: neither was the follow-up war between the parliamentarians and Cromwell.
06:24:59 MidJag_: Right, I mean IIRC the english civil war ended with a very dead king
06:25:18 MidJag_: And then cromwell went a bit insanse.
06:25:42 MidJag_: I just don't rember who Edward VII is.
06:26:00 syv: "Which Edward?" "The seventh one."
06:26:12 Devastator: There was also a follow up revolution to that after the Duke of Orange invaded,
MJ.
06:26:23 syv: Only slightly better than the US military's weapon naming scheme.
06:27:06 syv: Edward VII, .45 caliber, semiautomatic.
06:27:07 Devastator: I meant Edward VIII.
06:27:18 Devastator: not Edward, heir to Victoria.
06:27:47 MidJag_: Wasn't elizbeth heir to victoria?
06:28:38 Devastator: The first Elizabeth was in the 17th century.
06:28:52 Devastator: Victoria I died in 1801, IIRC.
06:29:14 Devastator: Elizabeth II of the United Kingdom sin't that old,
MJ. ;-p
06:29:43 Devastator: She was coronated in the fifties after George VI died.
06:30:33 MidJag_: And I thought the duke of orange was an absoulte monarch
06:30:43 MidJag_: Like in the glorious revolution or whatever
06:31:05 Devastator: but it was another long step towards figurehead.
06:31:23 MidJag_: I suppose if only because he was probably a bit concerned about losing his head.
06:32:21 Devastator: Orange? Well, it was also that the invasion only worked because James VII was seen as a tyrant.
06:33:38 MidJag_: ...Wait, I thought it was, Cromwell wins the civil war, goes kinda crazy invades ireland kills a shit ton of people, and then dies, and then they find the orange guy to fill the power vacum
06:33:51 Devastator: No, missing a few other actors there..
06:35:15 MidJag_: Who took over after cromwell died?
06:35:28 MidJag_: and why did they go back to a monarchy again?
06:36:34 MidJag_: ....I thought they were a republic/military dictatroship during cromwells time.
06:36:49 MidJag_: Why did a king take over after it?
06:37:54 Devastator: Because there was several years of intense infighting after Cromwell was forced out.
06:38:45 Devastator: Then the next parliament was full of royalists.
06:38:54 Devastator: so.. they basically offered the crown to Charles II.
06:39:50 MidJag_: okay, and that's not the glorious revolution right?
06:40:43 Devastator: No, that's the Duke of Orange invading against James VII.
06:40:48 Devastator: who was the guy after Charles II.
06:42:19 MidJag_: Wait, this is starting to sound famliar. Because they were the ones who brought the monarchy back this gave parliment more power or something right?
06:42:50 Devastator: it was more that the preceding rounds of revolution had established that certain powers firmly belonged to parliament.
06:43:05 Devastator: and even a pro-royalist parliament didn't walk back many of them.
06:43:30 Devastator: The restoration happened because everyone was really exhausted.
06:43:50 Devastator: they needed someone in charge, and Charles II didn't seem like a total asshole.
06:44:34 Devastator: Making a ruling on the formal succession of the king did also move things along away from an absolute monarchy, yes.
06:45:29 Devastator: can't really unhatch that egg.
06:46:09 MidJag_: Hmm. Yeah, that book I read for a class spent way more time on monarchs then parilment.
06:46:43 MidJag_: Either that or I just forgot most of it.
06:47:23 Devastator: I suspect it's just too messy a topic to deal with in one book.
06:47:33 Devastator: 17th century england was hella complicated.
06:48:20 Devastator: It's probably less remembered than the French revolution because they didn't declare war on basically the entire rest of the world following it, and managed to sort out their own problems.
06:50:28 MidJag_: Funny thing, my European history professor in highschool was actually a pretty well respected expert on napoleon. He'd like retired from academia and was like fuck it I'll teach highschool.
06:50:53 Devastator: Heh, happens sometimes.
06:51:00 Devastator: nice when you get a true expert as a teacher.
06:51:03 Devastator: well, usually nice.
06:51:13 MidJag_: Nah he was a cool guy.
06:52:00 Devastator: also, the other reason the Duke of Orange's invasion was called a glorious revolution was because it was largely bloodless.
06:52:20 MidJag_: Right I rember that part.
06:52:38 Devastator: Plus it was legally solve by having the duke marry Jame's daughter and heir.
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06:55:30 Devastator: It might also be one of the only times in history where the people writing a foreign ruler and asking him to invade because the local population is ready for revolt in his favor were actually telling the truth.
06:55:46 MidJag: heh, that's actually a fair point
06:56:02 Devastator: Normally that doesn't go beyond a city-state level.
07:00:44 MidJag: something that always kinda confused me is what exactlly happened with Frances kings after Napoleon got defeated. It got very confusing.
07:00:59 MidJag: Like I know they got restored and kicked out a bunch.
07:01:06 MidJag: It just get's very confusing
07:01:29 MidJag: I know somehow they were a republic again by WWI, but like I never had the timeline nailed down.
07:03:12 Devastator: You mean the ones installed by Napoleon on various thrones, or the July Monarchy?
07:05:18 Devastator: I think that one was the only success of a string of pro-republican revolts across Eurpoe.
07:05:53 Devastator: plus IIRC, the king at that time was not seen as competent or effective.
07:06:36 MidJag: I don't think any french king has ever been seen as competnet or effective aside from louis XIV~
07:06:45 Devastator: oh, hey, Lafayette was involved.
07:07:03 Devastator: now there's a guy who you could call competent.
07:08:30 Devastator: Mmm, a contender for one of those people who lead a truly full life.
07:08:53 Devastator: hah, that'd be a sci-fi novel.
07:08:57 Devastator: Lafayette, the time-traveller.
07:10:03 MidJag: Yeah. Also I mean he's also arguablly one of the reasons the country I live in exsists, so it's hard not to find the guy intresting~
07:11:38 Devastator: nah, I'd have to write up a world where Lafayette died young or never existed or such, and some time traveller went back from that world to create a new one.
07:11:43 Devastator: That'd be something.
07:11:55 MidJag: But yes, I would tottally read about a time traveling lafayette impersonator
07:12:41 Devastator: Be a tough road to see Napoleon.
07:12:54 Devastator: "Dammit, another autocrat turned up, and this one might be worse!" ;-p
07:15:14 MidJag: So
dev did Canada have like a civil war or anything like that? As far as I know I don't think you guys did, but I could have missed it in a readtrhough of history
07:15:27 Devastator: Well, there was the conquest of Quebec.
07:15:34 Devastator: but that doesn't really count.
07:16:30 Devastator: You couldn't call "Canada" independant at that time.
07:16:32 MidJag: Heh, I met a guy from Quebec.
07:16:45 Devastator: But no, nothing like that.
07:16:58 MidJag: He was much more french then I expected.
07:17:13 Devastator: we got our independance incrementally.
07:17:32 Devastator: Don't tell that to someone from Metropolitan France,
MJ. ;-p
07:18:05 MidJag: You live in a place literally called British Columbia
dev. What am I supposed to think? :P
07:19:24 Devastator: Vous êtes Quebecois.
07:19:50 Devastator: It's because we're not Columbia,
MJ. ;-p
07:20:51 MidJag: You guys have far to confusing of names for places, just steal them from every other nation like a normal country.~
07:22:13 Devastator: What's the capital of BC,
MJ?
07:22:59 MidJag: uhhhhh, shit, I wasn't expecting a georgrpahy quiz
07:23:56 MidJag: google suggests it's a place named victoria
07:27:04 Devastator: What's the biggest city?
07:27:22 MidJag: Oh, I know this one, Vancouver
07:27:32 Devastator: Which is named that way, because..?
07:27:34 MidJag: Which is French I assume?
07:31:04 MidJag: So if I rember right, the Western part of Canada is more british and the eastern part is more French?
07:32:34 Devastator: Quebec was a French colony.
07:32:52 Devastator: and also part of the rest of American New France, overall.
07:33:58 Devastator: it was conquered during the Seven Years war, by a Britisher general and not American troops, which probably ensured it didn't become part of the U.S.
07:34:33 Devastator: This was furthered becase some of the key complaints by the American colonials were that certain lands were assigned to that colony, and not the united states.
07:34:59 Devastator: looking at the map, it was about a third of mainland New France was to be annexed to that, and the americans wanted more.
07:36:07 MidJag: Hmm, I just realized I should go to bed.
07:36:11 Devastator: Anyway, then the american revolution occured, which determined that the United States would be independant, and that the borders between it and English Canada would be roughly where they are now, at least in eastern Canada.
07:36:25 MidJag: Right I rmeber that part~
07:37:11 Devastator: well, then there's the war of 1812.
07:37:28 MidJag: Oh god learning about the american revolution always rmeinds me of the stupidest people in my American history class.
07:37:36 MidJag: Who were the defention of lost causers
07:37:40 Devastator: Where it was determined through some impressive clown-shoes generalship that Canada would remain not part of the United States.
07:37:53 MidJag: So they kept trying to link the American revolutoin with the civil war
07:37:56 Devastator: The original "Lost Cause" are Stuart Restorationists in England.
07:38:23 MidJag: Stuart restorationists? Like the one that got killed?
07:39:21 Devastator: Start with "Bonnie Prince Charlie"
07:40:27 MidJag: But god learning about the civil war in that class was painful.
07:41:03 MidJag: The proffesor was great but god the classmaters were just godawful.
07:42:16 MidJag: Well the proffesor wasn't great but he was better then expected.
07:44:49 Devastator: heh, yeah, can imagine.
07:46:31 MidJag: One of the classmates was like clearly the north started the war because of like bull run. Which was stupid because we had literally just learned about fort sumter where the confederates shot first.
07:47:34 Devastator: and the seizures of various other arsenals and forts.
07:52:54 MidJag: Like I said lost causers.
08:04:31 Devastator: jump out of a plane into the night.
08:04:38 Devastator: "If you're a good person you won't land in a ditch"
08:04:46 Devastator: god, what kind of life would that be to believe that horseshit?
08:04:54 MidJag: That was genuily this girls worldview
08:06:13 MidJag: It's madness, but that's what Alabamas like occasionall.
08:07:23 Devastator: I much prefer "God won't give you more than your shoulders are capable of bearing"
09:02:59 Devastator: There's a lot of meaty details in that one.
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