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03:00:32 ER: I've mostly forgotten this story
03:00:34 syv: Has no clue his brother is specops.
03:00:52 syv: John is the handler of Rico.
03:01:07 syv: Has a dead sister killed by terrorists?
03:03:12 ER: this guy is going to make poor decisions
03:04:01 syv: He's Sophia's brother, after all.
03:05:05 ER: gotta hydrate before murder
03:05:35 ER: "assassination is illegal. Let us do it for you!"
03:06:37 syv: Where're the other murderkids?
03:06:46 syv: One murderkid in an operation is insufficient.
03:08:48 syv: Because she was crippled before being made into a murderchild.
03:08:52 ER: don't worry, if you lose your extremities they can just drill in new ones
03:10:37 ER: ah yes, they're going to explain this stuff NOW
03:12:06 ER: ah yes, the city that smells like sewage
03:13:17 syv: Are there more murderchild branches?
03:15:12 syv: Nope, has no clue that she's a murderkid.
03:16:05 ER: guess that was waxed dynamite
03:16:42 syv: I wonder if frag bombs work in water.
03:17:06 ER: I threw a flash into the water and it didn't work
03:17:50 syv: No fucking way an SVD fit in that damn case,
03:18:23 ER: that or a sudden ptsd attack
03:18:56 ER: are your fancy immortal cyborgs vulnerable to drowing?
03:20:04 ER: just slap some gills on them, jeez
03:21:53 ER: it was perfectly acceptable!
03:46:44 Devastator: Naturegirl seems to be having trouble parsing that turn in Extinction.
03:50:05 Devastator: I was going to explain, but it might be best forgotten.
03:54:55 Devastator: allow the naturgirl to be wandering around in the darkness for a week or two.
03:56:37 Devastator: that's some proper confusion, that.
04:00:26 Devastator: so how are you two?
04:02:44 Devastator: clouds important totday?
04:03:25 syv: Played Hunt with
ER, now I have to do the busywork I put off. >.>
05:10:14 ER: no, I'm not watching a 2-hour long vod
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05:15:27 Devastator: the punch out single segment champtionship just went down.
05:18:13 Devastator: it's the title bout, Summoning Salt of the videos versus some dude. ;-p
05:20:33 MidJag: I'll be back in like 30 mintues, have to go pick my brothers up from a friends house.
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05:36:13 Devastator: still watching that video.
05:37:32 Devastator: the tyson's punch out world championship finals.
05:56:27 Devastator: Which battle first?
05:58:03 Devastator: mmm, maybe Columbia one then, since that has the jets..
05:58:08 Devastator: or the easier one, the one in Scandinavia.
05:58:20 Devastator: yeah, I'll do scandinavia first.
05:59:53 syv: Hope the govs aren't too mad about us splitting up the kaiju duties.
06:00:17 Devastator: not splitting them up would be challenging.
06:00:32 Devastator: but I need to be careful about assigning scores since not everyone is at every battle.
06:01:01 syv: I know we get scored partly on showing up, and dealing damage, and that this is per-org to a degree.
06:01:30 Devastator: Scores are per-org. Some penalties can hit orgs not there.
06:01:50 Devastator: but in this case, I think they'll all be attended.
06:02:01 Devastator: so might be rough for whoever is jobbing, but that's where most of the damage will fall.
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06:02:19 Devastator: yeah, I think Stirk will manage some damage, which is all that's necessary.
06:02:21 syv: I don't think anyone is jobbing, today?
06:02:40 Devastator: stirck trying to solo the harder kaiju is pretty rough.
06:02:59 Devastator: but stirk will get a very good score for soloing, if that's a win.
06:03:37 syv: King Zultan and Irony are also sending their stuff to Scandinavia.
06:03:57 Devastator: Mad scientists don't count.
06:04:06 syv: Irony isn't a mad scientist.
06:04:07 Devastator: but yes, irony changes that.
06:05:36 Devastator: although looking at them, the two MS bio units should be hitting the other kaiju. ;-p
06:05:45 Devastator: they'd be better matches the other way around.
06:06:33 Devastator: that tanky one is going to take some killing and NG's has more offense.
06:07:22 Devastator: should be a battle.
06:07:48 Devastator: second one should be killable. The old weapons are less formidable.
06:07:57 Devastator: first one's gonna be tricky.
06:11:50 Devastator: Those bugs are so swingy.
06:12:13 Devastator: I'll get to work on that later.
06:12:50 MidJag_: so what've people been up to?
06:13:00 Devastator: gotta work tomorrow too.
06:13:06 Devastator: just a few hours, but..
06:13:39 Devastator: Also, after all the trouble I had with schlepping around getting my car fixed, someone just moved into the empty two-bay site immediately adjacent to my work.
06:13:43 MidJag_: I start school again Monday, but we will see if that actually ends up happening
06:13:44 Devastator: and opened a car shop.
06:14:01 Devastator: well, someone could push the button.
06:14:04 Devastator: that'll make things exciting.
06:14:52 Devastator: if that happened last month, could just have dropped it off there.
06:15:13 MidJag_: Yeah, I wouldn't be suprised if they make everything virtual.
06:15:41 MidJag_: My fraternity already is restricted to just virutal rush again
06:20:38 syv: Kevin sprinted across me a minute ago, completely at random, for no apparent reason.
06:20:54 syv: Springboarded off of my forearm... with his claws extended.
06:21:01 syv: I now have two nice red gashes.
06:21:34 Devastator: cat knows he can get away with it.
06:21:51 syv: No, I think he was just scared of something.
06:21:59 syv: He's always scared of something.
06:22:02 Devastator: Kevin's the frady cat, right?
06:22:13 syv: But sometimes he startles and flees in a blind panic.
06:22:40 Devastator: and the one entirely composed of fluff.
06:22:47 Devastator: except claws, it seems.
06:22:53 syv: Also broadly the biggest and heaviest.
06:23:06 Devastator: biggest cat = most scared?
06:23:12 syv: I'm sure he could beat a small dog to death.
06:23:21 MidJag_: Gentle Giant I suppose
06:24:06 syv: Doppler, who lives outside, is only a little bit lighter than him. And I think he's more muscle; Kevin's pretty fat.
06:24:14 syv: And Doppler fucking charges coyotes.
06:24:55 MidJag_: That's a large ct then
06:25:09 syv: No, they're much much larger than him.
06:25:28 syv: He's just psycho, I guess? Scares them off.
06:25:35 syv: Very nice cat, friendly and cuddly.
06:25:43 Devastator: unless you're a dog.
06:25:57 syv: Even to Bastet, so it's not like he hates--yeah, no, actually.
06:26:13 syv: It's specifically coyotes he fights.
06:27:08 Devastator: no swamp creatures?
06:27:12 Devastator: I mean, coyotes are normal.
06:28:00 Devastator: there stuff other than gators, presumably?
06:28:12 MidJag_: Look you have to dispose of mad science projects somewhere
06:29:03 Devastator: Cataclysm, now set in Florida. ;-p
06:29:09 syv: Black bears and wild pigs.
06:29:45 syv: But as far as nuisane predators, it's gators and coyotes.
06:29:53 syv: And gators don't stay long.
06:29:55 MidJag_: Apperently Florida used to have Jaguars actually
06:29:57 Devastator: and I don't think the cats are tough enough to chase wild pigs.
06:30:07 Devastator: any of them drag back turkeys?
06:30:30 syv: Nah, turkeys are also way too big and dangerous. It'd be nice if the cats killed them.
06:30:43 MidJag_: Aren't Turkeys supposed to be pretty smart
06:31:07 Devastator: they are, except during mating season.
06:31:10 syv: If you consider something that attacks its reflection in car doors to be smart.
06:31:15 Devastator: during mating season they turn into absolute idiots.
06:31:23 Devastator: like incredibly dumb.
06:32:01 syv: Only particularly = notable thing cats have dragged back was rabbits.
06:32:07 MidJag_: Ah, so like regular human males then~
06:32:31 MidJag_: That's impressive for a cat to kill a rabbit
06:32:39 Devastator: Lynxes do it all the time.
06:33:01 syv: It was impressive and adorable to watch her drag along a rabbit almost the same size as her.
06:33:03 Devastator: and they're basically just fit housecats.
06:33:15 Devastator: that sounds awesome.
06:33:20 syv: Had to kinda waddle along with her front legs splayed out.
06:33:32 syv: She was just an awesome cat all around.
06:33:36 Devastator: so was she walking forwards or sideways?
06:33:51 syv: Dragging it sorta under her.
06:33:51 Devastator: ahh, and rabbit in mouth?
06:34:07 MidJag_: I bet she was very proud
06:34:20 Devastator: You know in Wolf Children, Yuki catches all those animals in her hands/forepaws, not her mouth.
06:34:35 syv: My dad actually used her as something like a hunting dog.
06:35:13 syv: He'd go out with her in the morning, with a 22, and shoot rabbits. She'd charge after some and occasionally catch them.
06:35:23 syv: Apparently she didn't mind the gunshots *that* much.
06:35:34 MidJag_: That's a very dog like cat
06:35:45 Devastator: and one day, I guess, she decided to just go get one herself.
06:35:57 syv: Nah, she'd been doing it before then.
06:36:34 syv: She'd also come when called, and loved walks. Never played fetch, though. Liked chasing things, but never brought them back.
06:36:47 Devastator: walks are interesting.
06:36:58 syv: That's not so unusual, here.
06:37:11 syv: We've always trained the barncats to go on walks.
06:37:27 syv: Though Mingy took to it more than most.
06:37:33 Devastator: nah, my cats would always wander, but they couldn't care less if you wanted to walk with them.
06:37:39 MidJag_: My parents could go on a very long winded rant about the medical injury codes being dumb.
06:37:42 Devastator: they're busy being cats.
06:37:49 Devastator: that's not about medical injury codes.
06:38:14 MidJag_: On the aritcle in the link he meantions ICD-10 injury code
06:38:28 Devastator: he plays around with them for a while.
06:38:32 syv: The way it works is you only feed them on walks. Give them a few bites of food, then walk thirty feet or so, give more food. And if they don't follow, they don't get fed.
06:38:43 syv: Eventually they'll just follow you everywhere.
06:39:27 Devastator: They still entertain themselves most of the time, right?
06:39:28 syv: Some never learn, and a lot will only follow when they feel hungry, but a good chunk of cats end up just being loyal followers at all times regardless.
06:39:49 syv: Cats will never heel like a dog.
06:40:04 Devastator: don't think I want them to follow me around even more.. my experience with cats has been that I get sufficient cat related attention without them following extra much.
06:40:22 Devastator: like I'm good with one or so sitting episode a day.
06:40:41 syv: Well, I like cats more than you, then. ;P
06:40:58 Devastator: I like cats, but not at all hours of every day.
06:41:07 Devastator: had enough of thomas waking me up.
06:41:17 syv: I don't let cats into my room.
06:41:25 Devastator: 'poke' 'poke' 'poke'
06:41:27 syv: Beyond that, yeah, I like having them around.
06:41:29 Devastator: he figured out how to open the door.
06:41:55 MidJag_: I would dislike having pets on my own seems like way to much work.
06:42:07 syv: Ugh, Akina figured out how to push open doors. Can't operate doorknobs, but then several of the doors are difficult to latch...
06:42:24 syv: He follows me without *any* training.
06:42:29 Devastator: Thomas usually couldn't do doorknobs.
06:42:33 Devastator: but he got one at least once.
06:42:41 MidJag_: My dad had a dog that could do doorknobs
06:44:20 MidJag_: I think it managed to lock him and his family outside the house once
06:44:57 Devastator: okay, that is hilarious.
06:45:08 MidJag_: I guess it wanted some alone time.
06:45:13 Devastator: and I bet the dog was proud.
06:46:42 syv: Knowing every dog I've ever had, it was thinking "oh god where are the people why am I alone help help help"
06:48:10 Devastator: nah, mine would have been proud at having done something.
06:48:20 Devastator: that dog was proud every time it did something new.
06:48:31 Devastator: the other one never would have figured out doorknobs, ever.
06:48:32 MidJag_: I think the dog was more proud then anyting.
06:53:06 Devastator: although I have known dogs like yours,
syv.
06:54:32 MidJag_: My familys blind immortal dog probably wouldn't care if it locked the family out for quite some time.
06:55:21 Devastator: it'd be quiet! perfect for nappies.
06:56:31 MidJag_: But that dog is fucking immortal.
06:56:55 MidJag_: He doesn't even look different despite being ten years old.
06:57:15 Devastator: that might be where it starts hitting.
06:58:14 MidJag_: French Bulldog, which typically only live like ten years.
06:59:52 Devastator: looks like it would age well.
06:59:56 Devastator: ie, look identical forever.
07:02:00 Devastator: my cousins had a Jack Russell Terrier.
07:02:03 Devastator: when they were kids.
07:02:06 Devastator: that was something.
07:02:14 Devastator: zoom zoom zoom zoom.
07:03:17 Devastator: bark barkbarkbarkbark bark bark bark barkbarkbark.
07:04:58 Devastator: the cutest of all puppies, however.
07:09:10 MidJag_: When I was a kid my family had three dogs, all muts. They were great.
07:10:37 MidJag_: And those puppies are adoraable
07:10:52 Devastator: puppies tend to not be kittens.
07:12:08 MidJag_: I like dogs more than cats I must say
07:13:41 syv: "I don't want pets because they're too much work"
07:13:48 syv: "I like dogs more than cats"
07:13:59 Devastator: cats are less work.
07:14:05 MidJag_: I never said I wanted either~
07:14:20 syv: Yes. That's what I was pointing out,
Dev.
07:14:57 syv: Cats, you do the litter box, and you give it food when it sits on your keyboard and meows at you.
07:15:35 Devastator: unless cats want pets.
07:15:41 Devastator: because that's not optional.
07:16:13 MidJag_: Eh, I'm in no way responsible enough for pets. But those are points
07:16:15 syv: If the cat is allowing you to grace your handskin with the glory of its soft pelt, you take advantage of that offer.
07:17:03 syv: It also depends on the cat.
07:17:06 Devastator: plus cats don't go and dive into any sewage lagoons.
07:17:30 syv: I've had plenty of cats that liked people, but felt the optimal way to spend time with people was to sleep about four feet away.
07:17:36 Devastator: I'll never get how something that could supposedly smell so well that wanted to smell so awful.
07:17:49 ER: the kitten has become a bit less obnoxious since he broke his toe and had to have it all bandaged up :v
07:18:22 ER: though he still tries to attack people and other cats sometimes, which seems like poor decision making
07:18:40 MidJag_: He's not gonna let a little broken toe slow him down~
07:18:42 syv: Well, kittens aren't known for their sharp reasoning.
07:18:57 Devastator: had a friend break his toe as a kid.
07:19:02 Devastator: it stopped growing, so he had a short toe.
07:19:46 syv: We should just have chitin plating there.
07:19:47 Devastator: syvarris, horse fan.
07:19:56 MidJag_: You really only need like oneish.
07:20:08 Devastator: that's horses. One toe.
07:20:16 syv: I *am* a fan of horses, yeah.
07:20:51 Devastator: birbs have like 4, but they don't use them as much.
07:20:57 syv: I'd be pro-toe if we had cat toes with built-in knives.
07:20:58 ER: I've always felt like human feet are in a bit of a need of a redesign
07:21:10 Devastator: tough job with those ones.
07:21:17 syv: I've always felt like humans are in a bit of a need of a redesign
07:21:24 ER: less knives, more fishing hooks
07:21:34 Devastator: other than choking, humans are good.
07:22:12 ER: I'd like... cat ears, please >.>
07:22:32 syv: Cat ears are aesthetic, but admittedly impractical.
07:22:44 ER: if this is how well I can hear with stunted human hearing, I want to be in the world that all the better mammals are in
07:22:46 MidJag_: Yeah, the issue would be getting your toes and hands to rember which fingernails you have
07:23:23 MidJag_: Also you'd have to rejigger a lot of tendons and how fingernails are shaped to get cat toe knives.
07:23:41 syv: Eagle eyes would also be acceptable, I think. I forget whether they can get near/farsightedneas like humans.
07:23:55 syv: Spiders don't have that problem, their eyes are muscular.
07:24:46 Devastator: they can't, because they have the zoomable corneas.
07:24:59 Devastator: if an eagle were to be nearsighted, it'd be able to power through it.
07:25:21 ER: I want to see through a massive array of tiny flying drones which also have defensive functions, tbh
07:25:38 MidJag_: Hmm, quite giving me ideas guys~
07:25:50 Devastator: I'm half-blind and deaf. ;-p
07:26:10 syv: Hrm, what other changes...
07:26:10 Devastator: I wouldn't mind a little better, but don't really see why it'd be so much better.
07:26:30 syv: I don't like being nearsighted, mostly.
07:27:06 syv: And the eyes being kinda badly designed is a pet peeve of mine, because people like to talk about how amazing eyes are.
07:27:20 MidJag_: Hey for getting made by tinkering they're pretty neat.
07:27:24 syv: Basing it mostly on the fact humans have evolved to place most emotional eight on the eyes...
07:27:27 Devastator: human eyes are above par.
07:27:42 syv: They're also stupidly flawed.
07:28:33 syv: More cones would be neat, I think.
07:28:44 syv: Being able to see infrared would be cool?
07:28:50 ER: gimme octopus eyes. no blind spots, ability to see polarity!?!?!?
07:28:55 Devastator: and blind spots are common on everyone.
07:29:13 Devastator: nearsightedness is almost solely a product of it not killing people anymore.
07:29:36 MidJag_: Yeah gotta put the never somewhere intially and evolutionarilly it's really hard to get it to move somweher that doesn't create a blindspot.
07:29:43 ER: yeah slap some pit organs on my face, why not ;p
07:29:48 syv: And also our eyes being a design that requires exercise to not degrade.
07:30:23 MidJag_: Pretty much everything in your body requires exercise to not degrade
07:30:30 syv: Not for eagles or spiders.
07:30:40 MidJag_: They just exercise to see.
07:30:45 Devastator: is that really true for eyes?
07:30:58 MidJag_: There's a lot of debate over that.
07:31:15 syv: To my understanding, the big problem with blind spots was that the vascular system is layered on *top* of the photoreceptors?
07:31:45 syv: So there has to be a hole where it goes through that layer, rather than photoreceptors just being the top layer?
07:32:05 MidJag_: I don't belive that's entierlly right? But then again it's been quite some time since I looked at eye antomy, IIRC it's essentially that the nerve feeds back into it along with the vascular system.
07:32:39 Devastator: yeah, there needs to be some hole somewhere.
07:32:40 syv: Even then. Why not just have the nerves and vascular system *under* the sensors?
07:32:52 Devastator: because then you'd go blind if you hit your head?
07:33:27 MidJag_: I think it's got something to do with robustness? I'll be honest I don't know too much about the evolution of the eye.
07:33:40 ER: doesn't need to be a hole somewhere. see the picture
07:33:59 ER: the eye on the right is a cephalopod eye, which evolved seperately
07:34:46 syv: If robustness were the issue, why not just evolve a little bit more padding, rather than using the sensors as padding?
07:34:55 syv: A little more weight, but you get more visual acuity.
07:35:59 syv: Because this is what happened, it worked, and flipping it upside down would require steps backwards first. :P
07:36:22 syv: Evolution is a bad engineer who's just very persistent.
07:36:40 ER: and the mollusks did it better, by chance :v
07:36:42 MidJag_: That's why humans grow like that.
07:37:16 MidJag_: So Cephalpods are made by invaginatoin, wherease in humans theres a stage of devolopment where your nerves form and then your eyes form along with it.
07:37:37 MidJag_: Hmm, maybe it's got something to do with nerve proccessing speed
07:42:42 MidJag_: Hahaha "The cephalopod solution requires long-distance neural wiring between photoreceptors and higher order neurons, which is space-demanding as well as it leads to slower processing and noisier signals (Wirth et al., 1984)."
07:43:30 MidJag_: And since we evolvued from a bunch of small terrified things I could see evolution favoring something that's space efficent and fast versus large and slightlly slower
07:44:12 MidJag_: So it's a bad idea now, but made sense at the time.
07:44:20 Devastator: fast still matters.
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07:45:31 MidJag_: This article is neat. lemme figure out how to share it outside of it's paywall
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07:47:45 syv: Well, you didn't get autokicked.
07:48:45 Devastator: redirect to the abstract, btw.
07:48:51 Devastator: your token won't work on someone else's broser.
07:50:28 MidJag_: Because my browser keeps trying to autoredirect through my proxy.
07:50:41 MidJag_: And I'm kinda scared to turn it off.
07:50:51 syv: Download it, send it on Discord, then link the discord file.
07:51:06 MidJag_: ..You can link discord files?
07:51:16 Devastator: you can technically do them through IRC, too.
07:51:26 Devastator: but _nobody_ ever sends stuff that way. ;-p
07:51:37 syv: I'm not 100% on *pdfs*, but I'm pretty sure it's possible.
07:52:07 syv: Any other filehost would also work, Discord is just irritatingly convenient.
07:52:35 Devastator: I should send you descent, actually.
07:58:57 MidJag_: Anyway article is neat, it's about the evolution of the eye and the early evolution of vertebrates
09:08:34 MidJag_: Hmm, I thinking I'm going to bed
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