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00:42:27 Piecewise: Every time I fugging do a test it closes IRC
00:42:33 ER: what, you horrid clowncubus?
00:43:20 Piecewise: Clowncubus was my father
00:44:08 Piecewise: Nothing in particular, just figured I should connect again since some of my players have locked themselves away here and cannot contact me via other means
00:44:16 ER: I meant you're a clown incubus, not a clwon succubus
00:44:31 Devastator: I'd just grumble about imprecise descriptions. ;-p
00:44:35 Devastator: so didn't miss much.
00:45:32 Piecewise: Imprecise description of your pathogen bladder? Its green, about the size of a basketball, and located between your spleen and small intestine, to the left.
00:46:06 Devastator: I was trying to come up with a better name for it.
00:47:05 Piecewise: or saccule if you wish
00:47:18 Devastator: Maybe something with like Phagus in the name of it. ;-p
00:47:41 Piecewise: Whats the name of joint cushions....Bursa I think
00:53:05 Piecewise: What are the Ghibli movies you guys have seen?
00:53:17 Piecewise: Spirited away better be on there
00:54:22 Devastator: I think we're on to shows for a bit.
00:54:25 Devastator: the last movie had feels.
00:54:45 Piecewise: just asking for later
00:56:09 ER: we only saw the... I was going to say "the aitships one" but I'm pretty sure that's a theme with ghilbi
00:57:25 Piecewise: So you guys have not seen any of the other ghibli movies?
00:58:09 Devastator: we don't watch that many shows..
00:58:35 Piecewise: Whenever you feel like watching a movie again, I really recommend spirited away
00:59:48 Piecewise: Its considered by many to be the best the studio ever made.
01:00:49 Piecewise: I dunno if its my favorite, but its really good
01:03:01 Piecewise: What show are you guys working through currently?
01:11:46 ER: next time we watch something we'll be seeing psychopass 2
01:15:08 Piecewise: How was the first season?
01:33:06 Piecewise: It is by the guy who made Madoka
01:33:25 Piecewise: Makes sense it would be good
01:34:01 ER: see it's efficient because when you kill a guy with this
01:34:13 ER: you don't need a bodybag, just a mop
01:34:23 ER: less collective trauma for people that way
01:35:24 Piecewise: I'm not 100% sure thats how it works
01:35:28 Piecewise: but I think its worth trying
01:36:11 Piecewise: Man, makes me wish Cop Craft didn't go to crap. That was an interesting show and premise until..like the 5th episode
01:36:43 ER: it sucks as a weapon, but that's just because it's not a weapon for the wielder, it's a tool to turn the wielder into a weapon of the state :)
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02:05:57 Devastator: That's a pretty good observation, really.
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02:11:10 MidJag_: Oh yeah
dev this is the essay I was talking about.
02:11:27 MidJag_: it's really quite stunning in terms of just sheer insanity
02:12:50 MidJag_: Essentialyl the mans argument is that democary is bad and that you have a more succeful goverment with a facist/oligarchial goverment
02:16:43 Devastator: Probably a lot of that in 'bama.
02:16:58 Devastator: FREEEEDOM! Through eternal subjugation to someone else.
02:20:30 MidJag_: Honestlly if you offered to make bama a crhsitian theocarcy...assuming it was the right kind of christian they'd probably take you up on that.
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02:20:55 syv: So I opened that out of curiousity and read like a paragraph before I noticed how tiny the scroll bar block was.
02:21:14 MidJag_: Yeah the spoken version is like ten hours long.
02:21:39 syv: Instead of reading, I copied all of the chapters into one text file. Mostly with ctrl+A, because selecting just the essay and scrolling was too slow.
02:22:04 MidJag_: Yeah that's one essay. There are 14.
02:22:07 Devastator: well, that's what's been busy going on.
02:22:16 MidJag_: I dunno what you call this then.
02:22:21 Devastator: running at the mouth?
02:22:25 Devastator: Do you have the guy's name?
02:23:04 MidJag_: Aside from I currently can't decide which person I want to slap more, the guy who wrote this or the guy who I'm reading this to better refute.
02:23:18 syv: Curtis Yarvin is his actual name.
02:23:27 syv: But he chooses to go by Moldbug.
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02:27:23 MidJag_: My favorite thing about this is that he's arguing that China and other facist countreis don't have death camps and allow for personal freedoms.
02:29:00 er: Hello
Devastator and
MidJag_
02:29:09 MidJag_: I always kinda figured neo monarchists was an actual joke, not like a thing that certain people actually belive in.
02:29:51 er: There are people who believe in anything,
mj
02:30:06 syv: (
MidJag_) My favorite thing about this is that he's arguing that China and other facist countreis don't have death camps and allow for personal freedoms.
02:30:06 syv: Also, don't forget that he advocates for mass shootings of peaceful protesters.
02:30:34 Devastator: I'm increasingly convinced that the only political movements that don't exist are the ones used as strawmen. ;-p (neoliberals)
02:31:23 MidJag_: To be fair his "ideal" is one in which only people who violently protest are shot, but I suppose you have to break a few eggs to make an omlet no?~
02:32:21 er: You only get to use that phrase if you can spell omelette ~
02:33:07 MidJag_: I'm really not sure I'm continuting to read this, but theres something stunning about a man who's just this crazy
02:33:26 Devastator: Some people need to interact with others.
02:33:33 Devastator: and some people are just good at hiding the crazy.
02:38:05 er: Isn't it supposed to reset if you hold down the power button
02:38:16 Piecewise: I'll have you know I've been seeing this whole time
02:38:32 Piecewise: Depends. Sometimes you have to remove the battery
02:38:42 Piecewise: Or hit it with a hammer
02:39:11 Devastator: It's supposed to shut off, but not necessarily reset.
02:39:34 Piecewise: sometimes you have to hold it for a while
02:40:01 er: Well it's- it's not shutting down, AUGH
02:40:16 Piecewise: oh, that kind of bork
02:40:40 er: It's also getting fucking hot
02:40:41 Piecewise: assuming you have one that can remove the battery
02:41:53 MidJag_: hey
syv how many words is the hobbit again?
02:42:39 MidJag_: mmmm, so I'm reading a 350 page book written by a madman.
02:43:09 Piecewise: Madmen and idiots tend to be very verbose
02:43:17 Piecewise: remember how huge time cube was
02:43:29 MidJag_: Honestlly it's taking longer than it should to read it because it's eye-bleeding poorly written at times.
02:43:38 Devastator: time cube was something special.
02:43:39 MidJag_: though every now and then he does have a good line.
02:43:44 syv: I'd love to see an argument between Moldbug and the timecube guy.
02:43:48 er: The guy who thought cubes have for sides :p
02:43:55 Piecewise: Well, timecube guy is dead
02:44:11 Piecewise: Maybe they can both die and then argue?
02:44:14 syv: I want to see Moldbug's refutation of Timecube.
02:44:35 er: In HEEEEEELLLLLLLLLLLLLL AHAHAHAAAAA
02:44:35 MidJag_: Nah I don't think Moldbug is actually schiphernic, he's just a moron
02:44:44 Piecewise: "Far right blogger" oh dear
02:45:03 Piecewise: "Dark enlightenment"
02:45:25 MidJag_: Yes. No one can I'm not willing to expose myself to alternative viewpoints
02:45:51 Piecewise: " American software engineer "
02:46:09 Piecewise: Engineers seem to go nuts like this more often than other people
02:46:24 Piecewise: The guy who made Temple OS was a software engineer
02:46:28 MidJag_: It's because engineering teaches you that the world makes sense.
02:46:33 Piecewise: And lived like 5 minutes away from me
02:46:48 Piecewise: When he lived with his parents at least
02:46:53 Piecewise: before he lived in a car
02:46:55 Devastator: Engineers tend to go off the rails the most.
02:47:00 MidJag_: Well Temple OS was just an untreated schiophrenizce
02:47:08 MidJag_: Which is pretty sad honestlly
02:47:26 Devastator: right up there with sci-fi writers.
02:47:31 MidJag_: But yeah engineers do tend to go nuts more than most.
02:47:34 Piecewise: Nah man, he thought the FBI were black people who glowed in the dark
02:48:18 er: Just gonna leave my laptop unplugged for the night :v
02:48:20 MidJag_: But I geuuinelly think its becasue engineering teaches you that any problem is fixable by using a few simple principles and simplisitic models and then scaling up .
02:48:54 er: Rather than try to unscrew shit and take out the battery when it's super hot
02:49:20 Piecewise: Though we tend to see some level of it among other highly educated people
02:49:29 Piecewise: mostly among the older people
02:50:02 Piecewise: When they start thinkign their knowledge and discipline can be applied universally
02:50:08 er: This might interfere with my plans to update the catgirl-in-a-dungeon game tonight >:[
02:50:35 Piecewise: Like when Chompsky suddenly thought he was able to predict stocks and shit
02:51:07 Piecewise:
ER coming in with exactly the comic I was thinking of
02:51:15 MidJag_: I've never seen a more accurate comic then that
ER.~
02:52:24 Piecewise: As hare basically all Theoretical linguists
02:52:27 er: All it takes is googling "smbc old physicist"
02:53:19 MidJag_: Theorical linguists is a strange field.
02:53:39 MidJag_: I had to learn a bit about it for my minor and it was enough to convince me I did not want to learn more about it~
02:53:59 Piecewise: Practical linguistics is interesting
02:54:50 Devastator: with stuff like that I wonder if I'd be more worried I'd decide the field is onto something, or worried that the field may turn into an entire mismash of gibberish.
02:55:03 Piecewise: The difference is that linguists go out into the field and learn about languages and cultures. Theoretical linguists sit at home, read a few papers, and then try to make universal rules or declarations based on them
02:55:42 MidJag_: Your not wrong honestlly
02:55:48 Devastator: although that is what the mathmaticians do.
02:55:58 Devastator: they read stuff and think and plug away at home.
02:56:28 Piecewise: Chomsky's famous one was the idea of a "universal language" that we're all born with and then we just forget parts of to make all the languages on earth. Which is an idea pretty soundly debunked and relatively easily
02:56:32 er: As someone who lives with mathematicians, I don't understand them
02:56:55 Devastator: Hasn't that idea been revisited like a dozen times throughout all of recorded history?
02:57:00 Devastator: and always been wrong?
02:57:11 MidJag_: You konw I was reading an intresting article about why you don't ever see garage biologists, and it's becasuse it's very illegal to work on a lot of biology at home, wherease with computers and mathmatatics it's not.
02:57:17 Piecewise: Mathematicians are able to do it a bit better because there are rules and laws they can work with and it doesn't really require going out and making measurements.
02:57:46 MidJag_: And yes
dev is has been.
02:58:50 MidJag_: This philospher is stunningly naive. His entire idea is that if you have a complete lack of freedom somehow the guy in charge would never abuse his power to supress personal freedoms.
02:59:09 MidJag_: ^a complete lack of political freedom
02:59:37 Piecewise: Most political philosophies are very naive
02:59:54 Piecewise: they kind of forget that people can be shitty, greedy, corrupt, and self centered
02:59:56 MidJag_: But shouldn't they be worldrly since they're philosphers on politicis?
03:00:17 Piecewise: however, they also tend to be blinded by their own ideas
03:00:19 MidJag_: and thus in theory should have strudied like history or anthropology or sociology or something?
03:00:41 Devastator: Those involve in theory going places.
03:02:12 Piecewise: I mean, basically any "Pure" political theory is hopeless in reality
03:02:24 Piecewise: Communism, capitalism, democracy, socialism, etc
03:02:35 MidJag_: Okay finnally fucking halfway through the man finnally bothers to make his point. His cerntreal argument is that since a goverment would be bad at running a burger resutrant therefore a goveremnet run in the style of a buisness would be better
03:02:38 Piecewise: its why basically every actual government or system is a mix of stuff
03:03:31 Piecewise: Does the "invisible hand of the market" come up in there?
03:03:55 Piecewise: Thats a favorite idea of mine, because it exists but it doesn't do what they claim
03:04:09 MidJag_: Suprisngly he hasn't mentioend it yet.
03:04:12 syv: (
Piecewise) they kind of forget that people can be shitty, greedy, corrupt, and self centered
03:04:12 syv: This is rather ironic considering Moldbug appears to hit at least half of these.
03:04:30 Piecewise: yeah, but like I said they're blinded by their own ideas
03:04:54 Piecewise: my government couldn't POSSIBLY fail! Everything will go great!
03:05:18 Piecewise: THe issues that plague the current one, and that could easily plague this one, just won't happen!
03:05:34 Devastator: wasn't the birth of what is considered political philosophy supposedly the greek city-states? Which tended to bounce around randomly between governments?
03:07:06 MidJag_: “Woodrow Wilson himself, of course, had a great deal of undivided power. Nor did he use it responsibly. When we think of sovereign executives, we tend to think of bad examples. We think of Hitler, not of Frederick the Great. We don’t think of Sultan Qaboos or Lee Kuan Yew or Hans-Adam II. If you think this is a coincidence, think again. But perhaps a thought-experiment will help.”
03:07:07 MidJag_: Hahahahah This guy is really quite something. "
03:07:21 MidJag_: I like he gives these examples and then neglects why the bad examples are an issue.
03:07:51 Piecewise: I mean, its one of those things
03:07:59 Piecewise: There's nothing that says a monarchy can't work
03:08:07 MidJag_: Yeah, except genetics and luck
03:08:19 Piecewise: but there's nothing that says it can't fail horribly
03:09:10 Piecewise: Capitalism can produce great stuff, or it can result in banana republics
03:09:55 Piecewise: Imma check out these examples of his
03:10:01 Devastator: Also odd that he'd consider Frederick the Great an undivided autocrat.
03:10:08 Devastator: I was going to comment on 'good' but..
03:10:25 MidJag_: Like I said the man has some odd examples
03:10:27 Devastator: the question of 'held unlimited power' is doubtful.
03:10:39 MidJag_: And a tenuous grasp of history
03:10:53 MidJag_: ...and human devlopment in general.
03:13:11 syv: While copying the novel into a text file, I skimmed over his footnotes.
03:13:58 Piecewise: I mean, its true that if you have one person wielding total power and authority it can result in a great deal of advancement and work as a whole. But that doesn't mean the quality of living of the people will be better or even good
03:13:59 syv: At one point while discussing homophobia (which apparently would be a bad idea to get rid of, as it would be harmful to society?) he described himself as a breeder.
03:14:37 Piecewise: Sultan Qaboos is a pretty good example of that actually
03:14:58 syv: "Despite my breeder tendencies", yes.
03:16:10 MidJag_: I can't properly explain it.
03:19:29 Piecewise: That is way too many words
03:20:00 Piecewise: put this in meme format
03:20:14 MidJag_: Brave New World meets Apple
03:20:37 MidJag_: With steve jobs as the benevloent god king
03:21:00 Piecewise: Its always funny how they'll just assume benevolence
03:21:08 Devastator: I'd take Freddie the Great over a marketeer.
03:21:17 Piecewise: They always forget fucking Prima Nocta
03:21:29 MidJag_: He claims that the controllers would remove him if he hurt the bottom line.
03:21:37 Devastator: They always think someone else's face will be the one getting eaten off by leopards.
03:21:46 Devastator: ..man, that's a guy who doesn't know business either.
03:22:11 Piecewise: "You can rape as many kids as you want, just don't hurt the sales"
03:22:28 MidJag_: But I'm not entierlly sure how he assumes that jobs couldn't like cajole or threaten the board into beliving in him. Or just make a mistake and concinvce the board to contiune beliving in it.
03:22:30 Piecewise: This is sounding like those Anarchocapitalist memes
03:22:40 Devastator: or bribe the board to screw the investors.
03:22:54 MidJag_: honestly I can't even describe this. It's just bizzare.
03:22:56 Piecewise: This sounds a lot like the idea of the invisible hand
03:23:09 Piecewise: Ie the idea that market forces will prevent corruption and bad actions
03:23:22 Piecewise: because the customers won't like them
03:23:29 Piecewise: Which completely forgets several things
03:23:37 Piecewise: 1. That these actions can be done secretly
03:23:48 Devastator: 2. You can always lie.
03:24:01 MidJag_: 3. people don't always have other options.
03:24:02 Piecewise: 2. That most of the time people only care about getting a good enough product at a low enough price
03:24:32 MidJag_: In this guys thing Calgood is the idea of a coporoate run california "Furthermore, Calgood’s shares are, like any shares, negotiable. They are just financial instruments. If Calgood’s investment managers decide it makes financial sense to sell California and buy Google or Gazprom or GE, they can go right ahead."
03:24:40 Piecewise: 3. If you're a monopoly (or collude with all the others making your product) it doesn't matter what they think
03:25:35 syv: Is he talking about making california publically traded?
03:25:52 Piecewise: I'd like it if they made california another country
03:26:03 Piecewise: so we can build a fricking wall and keep them out
03:26:15 MidJag_: I'm not really sure, because he doesn't describe how the goverments could be traded on a market, but kinda yes
03:26:44 Piecewise: I'mma buy 10 shares of california
03:26:47 MidJag_: He also glosses over that Jobs was crazy enough to ignore very treateble cancer in favor of homopathy for quite some time
03:26:57 Piecewise: does that mean that you could have a hostile take over?
03:27:13 Piecewise: What was job's cancer?
03:27:32 Piecewise: I thought it was pancreatic
03:28:08 MidJag_: Panceratic I think? Been a long time since I read about it. From what I rember they'd caught it exceptionally early and actually had very good odds and he decided to ignore it rather aggresivly treat it until after it had gotten bad
03:28:40 Piecewise: And yeah, even if they catch it early, it has a bad prognosis
03:28:48 Piecewise: they caught my dad's before he had any symptoms
03:29:16 Piecewise: Pancreatic cancer has like a 2% 5 year survival rate
03:29:20 MidJag_: I rember there was something weird about Jobs' though. I dunno I'd have to check. And sorry about your dad.
03:29:49 Piecewise: I'll look into it real fast
03:31:44 Piecewise: Originated in Islet cells
03:33:08 MidJag_: And that means what for survival?
03:34:51 Piecewise: 77% 5 year survival rate it looks like.
03:36:17 Piecewise: Prostate, Breast, Skin and testicular all have higher but of course they do
03:37:04 MidJag_: That's what I was thinking of. It was pretty survivable IIRc
03:37:08 Piecewise: Donate to colon cancer research
03:37:12 syv: Don't need skin, it's only useful for finding mates.
03:37:21 Piecewise: breast cancer has more than enough cash and is really survivable
03:37:49 Piecewise: and skin has such high rates because if its not melanoma you really have to try to die of skin cancer
03:38:39 Piecewise: skin cancer will fucking dig a pot hole into you before it metastasizes
03:38:48 Piecewise: you really gotta ignore it hard
03:40:16 er: My skin is boiling away? This is fine.
03:40:29 Devastator: I'm sure some people manage.
03:40:49 Piecewise: I've treated people who said they didn't have cancer
03:41:27 Piecewise: Brother, I'm shooting 12 mega electron volts of gamma rays into your fucking torso, you better hope you have cancer
03:41:33 Piecewise: cause if you didn't, you probably do now
03:42:02 Devastator: just need to put a hyperchondriac next to one of those. ;-p
03:42:22 Piecewise: We have those a fair amount
03:42:28 Piecewise: people who swear they can feel the radiation
03:42:49 Piecewise: "Ow, it burns!" says the lady while the machine isn't even on
03:42:50 Devastator: before you've pushed the button?
03:43:41 Piecewise: Now, if we were hitting your nasal passages or catching the retina then you might have something
03:43:56 Piecewise: because that can cause flashing lights or the smell of "burning wires"
03:44:07 Piecewise: but you don't Feel anything
03:44:29 Devastator: clearly, you just aren't using ENOUGH RADIATION.
03:45:29 Piecewise: there were a few times...
03:45:53 Piecewise: Radiation accidents and such
03:46:36 Devastator: From what I know of them, you can easily get hit by enough to kill you a hundred times over without feeling a thing.
03:47:32 Piecewise: different kinds of radiation have different "Quality levels"
03:47:42 Piecewise: which relate to their biological effectiveness
03:47:55 Piecewise: Alpha is 20 times more damaging than gamma for example
03:48:22 Piecewise: and it also matters how much of you is being irradiated
03:49:39 Piecewise: I mean, full body you get into 95-100% fatality rate at 6-8 gy
03:50:53 Piecewise: But if you focus it in, organs and such can take several times that much
03:51:13 syv: 95-100% fataliry eate with only six guys? Geez
03:51:52 Piecewise: Gy is short for Grey, a measurement of dose
03:52:31 Piecewise: but I didn't get it which makes me even more stupid
03:53:50 Piecewise: But yeah, you can easily get fatally dosed and feel nothing, espcially if its fast.
03:54:23 Piecewise: Though, if you go above a certain dose you'll actually get immediate effects like vomiting, seizures, etc
03:54:24 er: Ideal for suicide, then! :D
03:54:49 Piecewise: Honestly, not really
03:55:06 Piecewise: you don't feel the initial dose but you won't like the time between it and death
03:55:50 er: What if we tried more power?
03:56:19 Devastator: that's what they call a microwave oven.
03:56:25 Piecewise: but nah, one of the worst treatments they do is full body radiation for killing off bone marrow before transplant
03:57:21 Piecewise: yeah, and its often for kids since they have leukemia and such more often.
03:57:27 Devastator: You know, it's really quite impressive that can be done and the recipient survives.
03:57:36 Devastator: Just think about it, really.
03:58:19 Piecewise: We can do it because cells have different susceptibilities to radiation. Marrow cells are quite susceptible.
03:58:36 Piecewise: As are, unfortunately, the cells lining the intestine
03:58:39 Devastator: It's one of those things like "We can make commercial flying machines good enough that the average person can afford to take cross-continential trips in them, and mostly be concerned about having to wait in line before boarding.
03:59:30 er: And being harrassed by security, of course
04:00:27 Devastator: that's self-inflicted, mostly.
04:01:14 Piecewise: We made a metal tube that flies by going really fast and cutting the air just right
04:03:14 Piecewise: We also made iron horses that run on the squeezings of dead dinosaurs.
04:05:06 syv: Guns are really cool and impressive.
04:06:48 er: Testament to the amount of effort we're willing to put into killing each other
04:06:55 Piecewise: We made a metal tube that contains an explosion that hurls a bit of shrapnel at people we don't like
04:07:07 syv: And sometimes people we do like.
04:08:06 er: And weddings full of people who happen to be standing near the people we dislike
04:10:22 Piecewise: Guns don't kill people
04:11:55 er: Or deformation of the brain, or lack of oxygen getting to the blood
04:12:58 Devastator: 'cessation of vital signs'
04:13:42 er: Death happens when the brain breaks or stops getting what it needs from other organs
04:18:51 Piecewise: Is death death if death death death?
04:19:46 Piecewise: English is a mystery
04:25:38 syv: You know, Perplexicon is a really good pun.
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04:29:56 Piecewise: Back when
piecewise games were good
04:30:08 Piecewise: Lemme just respond for
er
04:30:16 Piecewise: "
Piecewise games were never good"
04:30:37 Elastic_Ridicule is now known as ER
04:31:12 syv:
Piecewise games are still good.
04:31:23 syv: Is Call of Earth gonna be released in 2020?
04:31:52 Piecewise: Nah, call of earth ain't coming out in the next...what 5 weeks?
04:33:50 Piecewise: The lore doc is sitting at...103 pages. My estimate of 500 pages or so looks to be roughly correct, maybe a bit low. Time estimate of a year is looking ok so far, though I've been lazy for the last weeks because I was working on school stuff pretty hard
04:34:55 syv: Why did this turn out so massive? O.o
04:35:21 Piecewise: But I always estimated it would be quite large
04:35:43 Piecewise: Its fun to work on though
04:37:46 ER: will this game be suitable for us to roleplay as a lovestruck couple?
04:39:22 syv: Also the question there is whether Egan can successfully not-die in a
Piecewise game.
04:40:53 ER: perhaps I'd have something to live for
04:40:55 Piecewise: The lore doc is basically the entire map and all the items and artifacts and such. Once its done, the mechanics will come next and won't take anywhere near as long. If I continue at a rate of about 2 pages a day (1000 words or so) 200ish days
04:41:07 ER: also, I've died the most times in oz games -_-
04:43:56 MidJag_: That's quite impressive dubs
04:44:05 Piecewise: Praise me when its done~
04:44:15 MidJag_: Nah I shall praise now
04:44:34 Piecewise: Because its like 32 kilometers deep
04:44:47 Piecewise: something like that, forget the exact measurement
04:45:01 ER: how deep is the world in Noita?
04:45:32 MidJag_: So dubs how did you come up with this?
04:46:09 ER: we pestered him to make a MiA game :P
04:46:43 Piecewise: Its something I've been thinking about for a while
04:47:02 Piecewise: and I got galvanized into finally doing it.
04:47:24 Piecewise: Though, MIA's hole is still mysterious so I had to create my own histories, rationales, forces, etc
04:47:33 Piecewise: As per noita's depth, not sure
04:47:42 Piecewise: can't find a rip of the map or anyone talking about it
04:48:27 ER: Noita is one impressively huge world
04:49:43 Piecewise: I'll do a quick bit of math for it once its downloaded
04:49:58 Piecewise: assuming the character is roughly 2 meters
04:52:06 Piecewise: We'll assume we're talking the main path too, not the The Work (Hell)
04:52:43 ER: yeah, just down to the main boss
04:56:05 Piecewise: I can't wait to see my image editor struggle painfully with this thing
05:08:38 Piecewise: Estimating VERY roughly
05:13:20 ER: okay so, if I'm visualizing all the "main game" of Noita as a deepass hole
05:13:33 ER: it's not nearly as deepass as your hole
05:13:52 ER: it's a tiny fraction of the mighty depth of
PW's hole
05:14:25 Piecewise: Then Call of earth would be something like 21 to 16 times deeper
05:14:35 ER: this is a hole which we're going to get 0.5% down and then fucking die
05:14:56 Piecewise: Roughly equal to the average thickness of the earth's crust
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05:15:29 ER: is the world in holegame flat or round?
05:16:25 ER: I always liked the idea for a fantasy setting where if you dig deep enough you just come back out the top
05:16:39 ER: congrats, you dug down to the sky's ceiling
05:16:59 ER: not you know why there are so many deep dwarven sky pirates who come out of nowhere
05:17:29 ER: if you had enough piping you could make an infinite waterfall
05:18:15 ER: the gods gave unlimited free energy to whoever dug deepest
05:18:48 Piecewise: if you could fall the whole way it would take you 80 seconds
05:19:17 ER: how many prayers can you fit into that much time?
05:19:32 Piecewise: depends how long the prayer is I suppose
05:23:05 Piecewise: In any case, bed time for me
05:23:50 ER: go regenerate your writer juice
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07:35:45 Devastator: Well, makes sense if she's tortured.
07:35:53 Devastator: would it be reasonable for Ariane to carry her?
07:36:12 ER: Not really, Ariane isn't so strong
07:38:14 Devastator: hmm, hopefully that's a yet.
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07:44:57 Devastator: but she does seem capable enough.
07:45:02 Devastator: just want to think about this.
07:45:20 Devastator: not going to leave her behind, and can't carry her, hmm.
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20:07:55 Devastator: That okay for Ariane? I'm bad at people.
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23:24:23 Devastator: The muscle car market is strange.
23:24:33 Devastator: only market where making the exhaust really, really cheap is a good idea.
23:36:22 Devastator: can't make a really good one, but I'll engineer a prototype just to get practice with those kinds of engines and various other things.
23:36:40 Devastator: I need a bigger factory to make them cheap enough to be popular.
23:38:02 Devastator: That factory should be making cheap versions of my premium trim vehicle, really. I'll make one.
23:38:52 Devastator: sweet jesus this motor is loud.
23:40:56 Devastator: pretty much, sheesh.
23:41:38 ER: your market is "obnoxious cars to annoy the neighbors with", after all
23:43:13 Devastator: fuck it, I'll go for the muscle premium market. This factory can max out at about 300 cars, anyway. Right now it's 60 people, but the market didn't exist two years ago.
23:46:02 Devastator: I'll make a varient of this engine with more sane settings for some kinda sports car too.
23:46:15 Devastator: although the engine is actually pretty cheap. The expensive parts is the chassis.
23:50:21 Devastator: retuning for the premium market just made it louder.
23:50:26 Devastator: (basically just a twin-carb)
23:51:33 Devastator: come to think of it, they can afford a 2 barrel carb too.
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