00:11:21 Devastator: apparently it's simply not economically viable to build luxury cars in the Soviet Union. ;-p
00:11:30 Devastator: so now trying to build the best cheapwagon possible.
00:11:40 Devastator: 15% of the lower market can afford the car!
00:11:48 Devastator: they have no money.
00:13:15 Devastator: Glorious 8.5 HP engine.
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05:00:57 syv: I've felt fine all day, and only start feeling sleepy just before my eight hour shift.
05:08:16 Devastator: time to get tired, just before work.
05:09:45 Devastator: looks like Nak's back around.
05:09:56 Devastator: 1 year delay between updates.
05:10:10 syv: Haven't posted in PS, though PS looks dead.
05:10:35 Devastator: there is only one Nakéen.
05:11:17 syv: Is there anything special about them?
05:12:24 Devastator: but don't say haven't, it sounds like " I haven't "
05:14:39 syv: Hum. Yeah, problem arising from thinking of Nak as a gender-neutral individual. "They haven't" vs "Nak hasn't".
05:15:50 Devastator: The thing is, "Hasn't posted in PS" is itself non-masculine or feminine.
05:16:28 syv: But I was omitting the "they" in my head.
05:16:48 Devastator: Still don't see one, there's only Nakéen.
05:16:52 Devastator: but you know my opinion on that.
05:18:21 Devastator: That carmaking game might be too complicated for me.
05:18:54 Devastator: Also the business plan of 'building luxury cars for the post-war soviet union was a poor idea.'
05:19:47 Devastator: The market is just too small.
05:20:06 Devastator: game not really intended for making 30 cars a month, when the smallest engine factory can make 1000 units a month or so.
05:21:26 Devastator: but it was fun designing soviet jalopies. Just how cheap can you make a car?
05:22:25 Devastator: Can get like 400 competitiveness ratings for like the budget family demographic, because you can't go below a zero rating in many categories.
05:22:47 Devastator: Sportiness for a 9 HP vehicles might be like -45, but that rounds to zero.
05:23:58 syv: "We want to make the people's car! What is the shittiest vehicle that can move?"
05:25:54 Devastator: It's a few years in now..
05:26:11 Devastator: some of the markets have gotten more money.
05:26:17 Devastator: some with more buyers, some with more money.
05:26:43 Devastator: Family budget median: 2780, +- 2080.
05:27:29 Devastator: so the poorest individual buyers there have 700 bucks.
05:27:41 Devastator: No, I can't make a car cheap enough for that.
05:28:26 Devastator: some poor bastard in the standard convertible market bought one, which is sad.
05:28:40 syv: How cheap *can* you make it?
05:29:51 Devastator: I'm pretty close to the limit. It's hard to give an exact number, because there's factory tooling and wage adjustments.
05:32:56 Devastator: okay, 5.5 million to build 2080 cars a month.
05:33:25 Devastator: but there's engineering and tooling and factory costs above that.
05:34:50 syv: So the average family *can* indeed purchase your jalopy/
05:36:01 syv: Does it explode when it crashes?
05:37:21 Devastator: it has a safety rating of 6.
05:37:42 Devastator: it's easier to design a new one rather than to show you in the middle of things, can't change stuff when a project is ongoing.
05:37:57 Devastator: doesn't seem to be an upper limit for most ratings, but sure.
05:38:54 Devastator: anyway, it's easier to show you.
05:41:33 syv: But will have to set up comp, so a few minutes.
05:46:40 Devastator: Okay, what's the name of jalopy motors?
05:50:13 Devastator: Gasmea is America, Hetvesia is Sweden, Fruinia is Italy, Archana is the Soviet Union, and Dalluma is basically an oil petrostate.
05:51:01 syv: Just to change from the sovoet union
05:51:19 Devastator: ahh, I was going to show off jalopies.
05:51:41 Devastator: and they're really only amusing when dealing with the utter shithole that is the glorious soviet market.
05:51:47 syv: Well, make a soviet jalopy if you want/
05:51:56 Devastator: Basically, demographics here are how many car buyers there are in each market.
05:53:21 Devastator: how much the size of each category is changing per year.
05:53:45 syv: 're growing massively in Russia.
05:53:49 Devastator: as you can see, some people are getting out of the dirt poor categories, so they're not growing as fast as the sane ones.
05:53:56 Devastator: this isn't you, this is the whole country.
05:54:46 Devastator: but jalopies, well.. aiming for family budget.
05:55:07 Devastator: There's another detail there.
05:55:16 Devastator: see that checkbox with 'limit to awareness'?
05:55:25 Devastator: here it is with only the number of people who have heard of this car company.
05:55:33 Devastator: so this is the reachable market size.
05:55:52 Devastator: it goes up as you expand dealerships, and actually sell vehicles in that category.
05:56:10 Devastator: I picked level 3 to start with for free, so 6% across the board.
05:56:18 syv: I like how there's one single convertible luxury buyer who knows you exist.
05:56:29 Devastator: Luxury Convertables!
05:56:40 Devastator: unlmit it and you can see it's a whole 22 people a month.
05:56:53 Devastator: the Luxury Premium market seems to be two people every three months or so.
05:57:08 syv: Those are the friends of the president, I guess.
05:57:27 Devastator: although, really, premium, luxury and luxury P are probably all officials.
05:57:43 Devastator: maybe guys like factory bosses and such can make it into the regular premium demos and Premium Budget.
05:58:18 Devastator: but no, need to target those lower demos, as they're the only ones with enough people to keep a car factory running.
06:00:27 Devastator: anyway, going back a year because for some reason the 1946 trim bodies all have small cabins and long hoods. Don't need that, so going back a year for more room.
06:01:40 syv: This game strikes me as a car company fetishist's wet dream.
06:01:51 Devastator: It's insanely detailed.
06:04:42 Devastator: I'll be seeing if I can add a couple varients to this, like the pickup bed one.
06:04:47 Devastator: helps increase your market a little.
06:05:02 Devastator: but might not be worth it, since these have more storage than the '46 model.
06:05:42 Devastator: was common in dragsters through the 60s.
06:06:42 Devastator: Note that the Premium AM Radio is 1800 bucks just for the radio.
06:07:34 Devastator: okay, there's issues and a ton of optimization to be done, but here we go.
06:08:48 syv: This is just a wall of information.
06:09:44 Devastator: right now I'm jsut making it bounce on springs horribly, because it's at zero sportiness and will never get positive, so..
06:09:49 Devastator: may as well have some comfort!
06:12:50 Devastator: the amusing part is the numbers at the upper left.
06:13:03 Devastator: the percentages there are the estimated percentage of that market who can afford this vehicle.
06:13:23 Devastator: at.. 1470.7 per car, game estimates it at 15.7% of that market can buy this.
06:13:26 Devastator: which is hilariously low.
06:13:34 Devastator: I'll get it lower from engineering choices and factory choices.
06:14:42 Devastator: tire and wheel sizes there made it steer much differently.
06:14:58 Devastator: currently it's at a position that's mostly functional on skinny tires.. that's 105mm.
06:15:08 Devastator: or about four inches.
06:15:40 Devastator: smaller tires also knocked 50 bucks off the price.
06:15:51 syv: If your car kills people, will you lose market share
06:16:12 syv: ...Actually, can you kill off a market by making sufficiently lethal cars?
06:16:15 Devastator: but no, recalls hurt how many people like it.
06:16:18 Devastator: and no, they just won't buy them.
06:16:18 syv: I want that to be possible.
06:17:00 syv: This game seems really silly to me, but if someone made basically the same thing but with guns, I'd adore it.
06:17:40 Devastator: it'd even have the different markets!
06:17:55 syv: The gun version should definitely allow you to kill off markets.
06:17:59 Devastator: I'm gaming the fuel efficiency calculations there by having the gearing be too short to reach the next speed.
06:18:19 Devastator: ..but nah, not my cup of tea.
06:19:19 Devastator: fuel system quality there affects the fuel mileage.
06:19:28 Devastator: so more expensive can be much cheaper.
06:20:06 Devastator: with that I'm mostly looking at engineering time, the bottommost symbol there in the lower left.
06:21:01 Devastator: in there, the better engineered exhaust makes it slightly faster and quieter.
06:21:05 syv: I'm not paying close attention, just looking occasionally and thinking "wow that's a lot of numbers"
06:21:07 Devastator: again, at no dollar value.
06:22:02 Devastator: I like the x10 multiplier on the dynomometer down there.
06:22:08 Devastator: 8.9 HP! So amazing! ;-p
06:28:46 Devastator: Mostly so you can make it look like this.
06:29:27 Devastator: The thing is ridiculous.
06:30:02 Devastator: anyway, there's more that can be gotten out of it, but that'll do.
06:30:53 Devastator: the last jalopy I had scored better, but I gave that game better starting R&D, so there were more points to be earned.
06:31:10 Devastator: ahh, that tall tall second gear.
06:31:37 Devastator: well, yes, a 1946 soviet jalopy?
06:31:40 Devastator: That's kinda the idea.
06:32:48 Devastator: in reality I'd shorten that gear a bit, but the game doesn't care.
06:34:02 Devastator: this part's the downhill.
06:34:02 syv: Can the test driver lose control and go off course?
06:34:05 Devastator: it might get past the redline.
06:34:35 Devastator: no. I mean, you can.
06:34:39 syv: This is the fastest one of these will ever go, I'm guessing?
06:34:42 Devastator: these cars can be exported to a driving program.
06:34:53 Devastator: yeah. In reality that'd have to be put in neutral to take that.
06:36:18 Devastator: should be significantly worse than the starting bay 12 motors jalopy, that had 27 horsepower.
06:37:19 Devastator: I couldn't bear it and retuned it to get an extra horsepower.
06:37:30 Devastator: spent an extra 5 bucks on the engine.
06:38:24 Devastator: and 5 more brings it to 11 HP.
06:39:03 Devastator: should save like a minute.
06:39:14 Devastator: 7 minutes, 29 seconds.
06:39:17 Devastator: this should be much better.
06:43:56 Devastator: 6 minutes 7 seconds.
06:46:00 Devastator: then there's the factory and engineering phase, which is FAR TOO MANY NUMBERS.
06:51:40 Devastator: a small factory can't make steel cars.
06:53:33 Devastator: looks like starting cost is 831.2 per car body.
06:55:02 Devastator: broke 500 with some expensive tooling choices.
06:55:30 Devastator: and rock-bottom pay.
07:00:27 Devastator: engines down to 376 each
07:01:51 Devastator: 368 with engineering changes.
07:04:08 Devastator: game thinks it's gonna be a big winner.
07:04:19 Devastator: total cost is.. 2740 per unit.
07:05:09 Devastator: didn't get it as low as the last one, but that had a 340cc engine. This one has a 450cc engine.
07:07:03 Devastator: well, actually, the game thinks I'll lose 41 million after ten years, but sales are going to be much higher than those minimums.
07:07:16 Devastator: ie, market awareness will mean they all sell.
07:08:38 Devastator: it also includes building a medium factory, which wouldn't have been necessary if I wasn't being stupid about things.
07:09:03 syv: Soon there will be a car in every home!
07:10:11 Devastator: Man, you know a car factory would have all kinds of fun stuff for alida to play with.
07:10:25 Devastator: can run on a dyno, pull a sled..
07:10:31 Devastator: probably something to test biting too.
07:11:43 Devastator: whoops, went bankrupt. Too many factory addons. Could have done it for like 500 million less, but hit some of the factory addons for way too much money.
07:13:18 Devastator: really easy to screw yourself by screwing up when clicking a button to spend 360 million or so.
07:16:13 Devastator: yeah, I clicked two buttons when building that factory that spent too much money.
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