00:09:22 Devastator: got a long time to go myself.
00:10:01 ER: we can just snub
PW and watch PP instead if we want to watch something tonight~
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00:15:29 Devastator: that helped a little.
00:16:03 Devastator: still zero internet.
00:17:12 ER: IRC uses slightly more than zero, so it's not that
00:18:12 Devastator: it's low enought to be a rounding error.
00:18:26 Devastator: and IRC uses so little it's like homing pigeon net.
00:19:30 ER: even if you have no connection at all, you can still IRC because of quantum fluxuations.
00:39:18 Piecewise: why do you have no internet
dev
00:43:57 Devastator: looks like my router broke last week.
00:44:05 Devastator: getting about 5% of the speed I should.
01:05:31 Devastator: It's been bad noticeably for a while, but this is broken.
01:10:16 Piecewise: I'm faxing you a router
01:11:26 Devastator: Just send me a picture of it.
01:11:29 Devastator: that's how it works, right?
01:12:52 Devastator: That's Ekrov. I've got him on dial-up.
01:13:28 Devastator: can I do my orders,
Piecewise? Can I drain extra strength from something with strengthen temporarily like that?
01:16:55 Devastator: it's not that important, but if there's hundreds of them every edge should help.
01:20:34 Devastator: (If I can't, I"ll think of something else.)
01:25:07 Devastator: Sorry. Just with no internet tonight I'm cracking out the books, and reading always makes me happy.
01:48:55 Piecewise: nothing there looks impossible
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03:45:10 Devastator: hmm, wonder if the subtitle means anything.
03:45:15 Devastator: 'dawn of the deep soul.'
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03:52:00 syv: I have fifteen fucking notifications from Discord.
03:52:10 syv: I think this might break my record for B12 PMs.
03:52:26 syv: Nope, five separate people.
03:52:52 syv: One of them sent six messages... each one sentence long.
03:53:07 syv: So still shorter than the average message I send people in the morninh.
03:54:58 syv: One of these annoying people is an anvil holding down the very far end of the bell curve.
03:55:45 syv: Sends me a misspelled and terribly stated message, then a phone picture that is so blurry I can't make anything else. And somehow this, without being drunk.
04:09:33 Devastator: finished the update.
04:15:33 syv: Yeah, one of the messages was
ER tagging me.
04:22:50 Devastator: let me know if you find any errors.
04:23:09 Devastator: I probably forgot to add 'with valencite' to someone's stuff, now that I"m thinking about it.
04:25:54 Devastator: only missed one thing, and it wasn't Valencite.
05:00:29 syv: "You have never seen a helicopter than can make subsonic airspeeds"
05:01:28 Devastator: No, it isn't that faat. I meant it hits the transsonic wall.
05:02:14 syv: I'd suggest you change that to transsonic, then.
05:02:59 Devastator: I've only heard that referred to things that can break the sound barrier.
05:02:59 syv: Because using subsonic there, to me, is like saying "its speed is <10" and meaning "its speed is 9".
05:03:16 Devastator: I'll change it, but not like that.
05:07:13 Devastator: just removed the line.
05:07:24 syv: Is the bomb version single-use?
05:07:47 syv: Would we be able to put Valencite in it?
05:07:58 Devastator: I don't see why not, no.
05:08:19 syv: I hadn't considered this before.
05:08:24 Devastator: Expect a bigger payload than your jet missiles.
05:08:37 Devastator: not giving a number unless you buy it.
05:08:37 syv: Now I want to make a large-size plane that is literally just a massive fucking bomb.
05:08:51 Devastator: System can handle those just fine.
05:09:08 syv: It gets one attack! And loading explosives on it, it'll be the biggest bang we can make.
05:09:21 syv: Does that count as a casualty, if a unit suicides?
05:09:56 Devastator: No, it counts as half of one.
05:10:17 Devastator: halved again if you design it as a drone.
05:10:23 syv: I really wonder what the cost discounts there would be.
05:10:45 Devastator: There would be some, yeah.
05:12:04 Devastator: Ahh, aura weapons, the counter to flying bombs.
05:16:58 syv: Well, I'm worried it'd be ammo short and be -25.
05:17:09 syv: Hey, could I give arty ammo short and get 25 cost arty?
05:21:43 Devastator: No, arty are barely 50. You'd need more than that.
05:21:46 Devastator: could go with single-shot.
05:22:00 Devastator: still be 50. Price is funny.
05:24:32 Devastator: There are a few things you can make for 25, but they're very limited.
05:24:38 Devastator: in terms of deployable vehicles.
05:36:27 syv: So maybe ammo short + ^AP + ^Payload.
05:36:50 syv: Stay at 50 cost, when the true cost would be 75. 33% discount.
05:37:51 syv: ...Or maybe just ^payload, no ^AP. Since if we're adding ammo short we'd want to use unstable valencite, not stable.
05:41:43 Devastator: Adding payload would prevent it from reaching 25.
05:41:52 Devastator: basically in order for a deployable unit to be 25, it can only do one thing badly.
05:42:13 Devastator: that includes 'uses payload' and 'range'
05:43:53 syv: You already said it'd be impossible to make an arty that's 25 cost without penalty.
05:44:10 Devastator: yeah, and I mean stuff like giving up on power or carrying payload.
05:44:16 syv: Hence I'd actually be making an arty that's 75 cost, plus a 25 cost discount. So 50, still the same cost, with a buff.
05:44:55 Devastator: Did I give you a quote for a discount from a special ability?
05:45:00 Devastator: for something other than your payload?
05:45:20 Devastator: and I mean price not time.
05:46:06 syv: I think I got -25 for not having extra sensors, which I still don't see why I'd want.
05:48:13 Devastator: Yeah, but that was due to not having them.
05:48:18 Devastator: extra sensors make it more expensive.
05:48:32 Devastator: not having them makes it cheaper due to not having them, because it makes it cost more.l
05:48:38 Devastator: those make it cost more.
05:51:42 Devastator: For what you can get without bumping the cost up to 75..
05:51:57 Devastator: well, there's the free boost by putting it on a standard small vehicle, to get speed up to D.
05:52:09 syv: Oh, that's actually not bad.)
05:52:20 syv: Might as well roll it in if I add anything.
05:52:24 Devastator: for 75, lots of stuff. Basically you can add a couple ranks in most places, with some combos doing nothing.
05:52:48 syv: Still costs research time, though.
05:52:49 Devastator: ie, not working right. But yeah, you could add a rank to AP, or to payload, but I don't think you can do both..
05:52:55 Devastator: get a specific design and I'll answer you.
05:53:15 syv: So would it be free, cost wise, if I gave jets D/D armor/durability?
05:54:38 Devastator: Nope. That'd be at least +50, and I think +75.
05:54:52 syv: Holy shit why did you encourage that so much?
05:55:08 Devastator: because they keep going down on like 3 damage hits.
05:55:18 Devastator: save you the price of a full jet.
05:55:54 Devastator: I'm also suspecting that E/E is free.
05:57:54 Devastator: You're aiming for C range, right? I think that might be +25 too.
05:58:18 syv: Please write research projects down.
05:58:48 Devastator: I do have that one written, I just don't have my notes all open.
05:59:36 Devastator: It isn't, actually, checking it now.
06:01:24 Devastator: Also, D/D is only +25 to boot.
06:02:32 syv: Research time becomes the problem, then.
06:03:31 Devastator: do remember, research time and price are completely independant from each other.
06:10:16 Devastator: mostly because I like far too complicated games.
06:13:13 Devastator: could have linked them easy as pie.
06:16:35 Devastator: maybe I should just tell you how exotic materials work.
06:16:38 Devastator: nobody is going to use the.
06:29:57 syv: Shadowclaw said he was going to ask how much it costs to upgrade a small lab to make exotics.
06:30:11 syv: But... yeah, it's a pretty good chance nobody's gonna use them.
06:30:36 syv: It just makes research much much faster, doesn't it?
06:33:54 syv: Yeah, construction costs are stated to be triple, but it doesn't actually say they're tripled for units. Even if they are, as you said immediately before that, unit price and research are decoupled. You could massively increase research benefit while increasing per-stat cost, and still have it be a good deal.
06:36:30 Devastator: It's not like that at all.
06:36:41 Devastator: It's very simple, but not like that.
06:36:52 Devastator: The hard part was finding a way to explain it without giving away the game.
06:37:12 Devastator: I'll tell you if you're barred from using them. ;-p
06:37:30 Devastator: (They're potentially very amazing.)
06:38:40 Devastator: ahh, hell, I'll spill it.
06:38:53 Devastator: Not going to repeat this, okay,
syv?
06:39:18 syv: I'm not going to promise not to use them.
06:40:57 Devastator: Something built with exotic materials can ge two stat ranks in any category of your choice. (or one and one) Research and manufacturing is entirely normal, aside from the free +2 stat ranks. Price of any produce is mostly tripled, except the minimum price to field something that uses exotic materials is 100. Payloads are more complicated and aren't worth it.
06:42:14 Devastator: Shadowclaw can't upgrade a lab into an exotic materials lab, one has to be built.
06:43:05 syv: That seems extremely worth it to, say, go to S range.
06:43:14 syv: But otherwise a HORRIBLE choice.
06:43:42 syv: Can you make a normal design into an exotic one?
06:44:42 Devastator: it is absolutely positively worth it, if you apply it well.
06:46:18 Devastator: If you screw it up and apply it badly, it's worthless.
10:07:43 syv: I still don't see any situation in which I'd want to build something out of exotics.
10:08:49 syv: Essentially the only one that seems possible is "Grades past B or A are impractical to ever build at all, and are so massively useful that they justify any cost"
10:11:00 syv: You have to start from scratch, which means researching a full B-grade unit from scratch, on *top* of all the expense multiplication.
10:13:42 syv: So it takes about a thousand cash overall, which is dead money until you get the unit, takes many months to have anything to show, and at the end you have one stat that's... ~5x as good? With the rest of the unit being only 1x? Again, something with S range and good speed will be amazing just for being untouchable without a specialty weapon, but otherwise that seems like junk. And just prohibitively expensive.
10:14:03 syv: A thousand cash is an *underestimate*
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10:29:57 NJW: So,
Devastator, there's something I've been meaning to ask about K-Com. When you say mad scientists can "research" new buildings, does that mean create buildings without using money, or just learn to make a new kind of building?
10:35:16 syv: I soj't think he's awake right now.
10:36:36 NJW: Ah, fair enough. I did wonder.
10:53:44 NJW: Fair enough. Relaxing weekend?
10:57:59 syv: No, I've worked both days this weekend.
10:58:17 syv: This is my last day in this stretch. I go home in an hour.
10:58:42 NJW: ouch. Can't come too soon, eh?
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16:39:23 Devastator: create new kinds of buildings.
18:05:37 Devastator: looks like it'll be done this evening, if I don't manage to get my net fixed.
19:32:27 Piecewise: I'll bonk irony and see if they're up to watching this evening
19:33:43 Devastator: estimate is currently at 5.5 hours, although it should be playable if it's like 98% complete or so.
19:41:21 Piecewise: 5 hours from now ain't bad
19:41:33 Piecewise:
sy won't even be around for 5 hours after that!
19:51:38 Devastator: It is bad. When it's working properly I can download video at a bit faster than it can be watched.
19:51:51 Devastator: 30 hours to download 1.5 hours of video is bad.
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20:40:18 Piecewise: but for your non-connected ass its not bad comparatively
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21:31:25 Devastator: mmm, no, not gonna do it today.
22:23:33 Devastator: I meant fix internet.
22:23:39 Devastator: should be able to watch tonight.
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