00:13:17 Devastator: I dunno if I'd call Madoka a Chad.
00:13:34 ER: compared to the other guy, certainly
00:13:34 Devastator: comparison seems totally valide.
00:13:42 Devastator: but maybe Chad isn't the right word.
00:14:02 ER: it is but a humble meme sir, you wound me ;-l
00:15:33 Devastator: What, you're telling me I can't applaud you for your excellent application of a meme, while criticizing the meme itself?
00:16:04 ER: I'm pretty sure that I cound find enough data points to make her chadly
00:17:02 ER: don't want to go to the trouble of actually shopping up an image though, that would probably involve reference images to make it recognisable even if it's intentionally shoddy for meme purposes
00:18:26 Devastator: Ahh, that's probably the worst part of this epidemic.
00:18:35 Devastator: having someone you love go to hospital and not being able to visit.
00:19:00 ER: my grandpa was in the hospital since before.
00:19:25 ER: and then they moved him to a hospital further away from us, and THEN covid
00:32:19 Devastator: oh, had a question,
piecewise.
00:32:30 Devastator: normal people don't risk mutations when enchanted, right?
00:34:15 piecewise: Uh...well I guess they should actually. I only thought of it on wizards but no reason it wouldn't be universal
00:34:39 Devastator: I thought it was because they could only handle a few.
00:34:48 Devastator: guess won't be passing those around to guards.
00:34:53 Devastator: so no catgirl maids,
ER.
00:35:03 ER: I figured that permanant enchants could only go on wizards
00:35:46 ER: just make sure that you only have to physically change them, with no ongoing magic effect
00:36:13 Devastator: well, the biomodder might be able to do that then.
00:36:14 ER: if you cut someone with magic, they stay cut
00:38:34 ER: wow, feels like persona is about to let me start making choices :P
00:38:48 Devastator: how far are you in?
00:39:32 ER: says 3:40, but I may or may not leave things idle sometimes >.>
00:39:54 Devastator: so are catgirl maids on the table,
PW?
00:41:11 ER: JRPGs are a kind of VN which periodically force you to grind for some time. Persona innovates on that formula by letting it be a *good* VN you're grinding for~
00:43:25 Devastator: I do dearly love JRPGs, though..
00:44:53 Devastator: and there are plenty I don't like much.
00:45:10 Devastator: also,
PW won't say yes or no to catgirls. I'll have to ask during a turn at some point.
00:45:47 ER: I adore the menu design and such
00:46:10 ER: ya didn't ping him properly, did you
00:46:12 Devastator: could do it via disease.
00:46:55 piecewise: ie turning people into cat girls?
00:47:01 piecewise: that can be done of course
00:47:22 piecewise: mutation chances are lower depending on how much magic you stack on a person
00:47:37 piecewise: with one enchantment to make them cat girls its a fairly low chance. like 5%
00:47:56 Devastator: wellp, so gonna mutate every spell soon then.
00:57:55 Devastator: I'd backpedal them, but I think the number can't be decreased.
01:00:53 Devastator: maybe just give up on it.
01:03:28 piecewise: It hits a max chance at about 30% actually
01:03:53 Devastator: be pointless to keep spelling at much higher.
01:04:09 Devastator: probably already at that, actually.
01:06:07 Devastator: and went 4/10 getting to that.
01:06:16 Devastator: so odds should go down from here on.
01:09:57 Devastator: man, been shitty luck so far.
01:12:16 Devastator: in Persona? Lots of stuff IIRC.
01:13:58 ER: ah, was just given a choice between increasing my equipped one's luck or getting a new one
01:14:13 ER: but probably not worth it if it's not my main one
01:16:34 Devastator: luck isn't a big stat.
01:16:42 Devastator: it's more than nothing.
01:19:52 ER: I like how everyone meets their own supressed self and have an argument and deny that this evil thing is a part of them and you have to fight it
01:20:08 ER: except the MC. he's just like "okay, I haz persona now"
01:20:11 Devastator: That's classic literature.
01:20:14 Devastator: Also classic persona.
01:20:40 ER: like, apparently he has super-self-knowledge inherently or something~
01:21:17 Devastator: you're the Chosen One.
01:21:27 ER: ahh, he's a Pure. That must be why he's in charge. ;P
01:23:53 Devastator: and the combat orders make sense that way too!
01:28:32 ER: aw heck, strong vs physical
01:35:39 ER: I do like how resistances and vulnerabilities actually matter
01:36:19 ER: I appriciate when a turn based combat like this asks me to consider something more than hitting attack until the enemy's gone
01:36:57 ER: it's easy for them to be either way too easy or brutally difficult, because there's not much player choice sometimes
01:47:34 ER: THOU ART I... AND I AM THOU
01:54:09 ER: starting a persona game at a time in my life when I have to start managing my time again...
01:57:40 ER: I've never been bad at it...
01:57:59 ER: school sucks. I don't ming being late for school
01:58:05 ER: the fuckers don't even pay you
02:13:31 piecewise: I have to pay thousands to work for free
02:18:22 ER: I'll have another now, and then probably one for breakfast too
02:18:43 ER: gotta live like there's not tomorrow
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02:30:42 Devastator: ahh, that show ended well.
02:30:51 Devastator: no more DBZ Abriged!
02:31:10 Devastator: topping P is for Perfect would be too much.
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02:40:03 er: Wanted to try writing a system for Big Hole game where you go down a big hole and then die or go insane
02:47:38 er: Freeeeeee faaaaaaalllllling
02:50:04 er: "It is said that when a caver or other animal is trapped underground with no light, their sorrow and desire wells and bubbles up through the earth, forming crystalline structures resembling trees."
02:50:31 piecewise: I've been thinking of that system too
02:51:04 piecewise: Though I'm trying for a universal exploration system first, then maybe slotting in some new things for specific setting
02:51:52 er: "Though the trunk and branches themselves are inert crystal, these structures are not dead. A special kind of lichen grows leaf-like structures on them to help gather sunlight."
02:54:25 er: "The crystalized despair itself is painful and poisonous to contact, but the lichen seems to process it into something else. Eating these leaves causes one to 'yearn towards the light', such cavers may find useful on an upward leg of their journey. "
03:02:23 Devastator: Made in the Abyss might have something to say about this.
03:06:30 piecewise: A lot of steam sales right now
03:17:57 piecewise: Nah I just got an email from them. Generally its like "hey, you got like 2 games on your wishlist on sale" but this time it was 25
03:19:01 piecewise: Guess I'll hoover up everything thats less than a dollar
03:20:53 piecewise: Killer is dead is 4 bucks
03:21:33 Devastator: gal gun double peace.
03:21:40 Devastator: not gal gun double piece?
03:22:49 Devastator: so it's area 51 with lovestruck schoolchildren?
03:22:50 piecewise: its house of the dead
03:36:57 piecewise: because thats a good game
03:39:56 piecewise: That and sunless skies
03:40:00 piecewise: been wanting to play that
03:40:11 piecewise: or rather experience its world. Might inspire me
03:47:57 Devastator: been through a LP of it, but haven't played it.
03:48:03 Devastator: some interesting ideas, but seemed overrated.
03:48:25 Devastator: it's no Planescape: Torment.
03:48:33 Devastator: oh, and same world as cultist simulator..
03:53:35 piecewise: I'll be interested to see it
03:53:46 piecewise: even if the whole isn't amazing, I steal parts
03:53:57 Devastator: good artists create, great artists steal.
03:54:14 Devastator: I'd play CS for you, but it takes about 36 hours to beat.
04:09:30 Devastator: not sad I played it, but there's not that much there.
04:09:47 Devastator: probably more than the other, come to think of it.
04:09:55 Devastator: in terms of worldbuilding.
04:11:44 Devastator: and it's better themed, less scattershot adventures.
04:11:49 Devastator: so there's more depth.
04:12:33 Devastator: like 200 related things not 200 more widespread things.
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06:56:44 syv: I despise the virgin/chad meme format, but I have to say, virgin Shinji vs chad Madoka is the best and most accurate use of it I've ever seen.
06:59:33 syv: Shinji: Keeps waking up in a giant room with no furniture. Madoka: Keeps waking up in a small room with twenty chairs.
07:02:13 Devastator: and yes, it was appropriate.
07:02:36 Devastator: angelic seems like a good work.
07:03:11 Devastator: also, apparently despite mutations getting more common as you have more enchantments, the mutation rate in the future will be smaller than the rate experienced so far.
07:05:56 syv: I still haven't checked Cabal
07:06:04 syv: I should probably post tonight.
07:06:24 syv: Starts at 5%, maxes at 30%.
07:06:45 syv: I figured shit luck, considering Ekrov just got bendy arms despite all his stat boosts.
07:07:02 syv: Bendy arms which have become a straight buff...
07:08:24 syv: This does imply gold eating is a good idea to fix.
07:08:57 Devastator: dunno. Still don't have a price for it.
07:09:05 Devastator: so maybe at some point.
07:10:23 Devastator: plus
PW said he knows what is actually needed from the gold, so can eat depleted gold a few times.
07:10:32 Devastator: remove something from it.
07:10:47 syv: Suppose I can use a human know spell to just directly ask what she needs.
07:11:34 syv: Action economy wise, I'm 100% fine with spending <10 mana to do something in one action rather than five.
07:11:35 Devastator: that could work, but it might give you 'gold'
07:11:52 Devastator: also, wanted depleted gold for a few other things. Making something chemically inert.
07:12:09 Devastator: ..and also also d12 + 5 kno + someone who can summon stuff with Chemical plus the universal lubricant.
07:13:06 syv: d12 + 5 kno + Chemical summoning + Universal Lubricant.
07:13:13 syv: I'm sorry, that "plus" was bugging me.
07:13:32 syv: But yeah, sky's the limit.
07:13:52 syv: Not even, really. ClF3 is great for liquid rocket fuels.
07:14:23 Devastator: can summon outright impossible stuff with permanent, say.
07:14:32 Devastator: permanent and solid.
07:14:39 Devastator: hell, could summon stuff like radicals.
07:15:04 Devastator: solid nitrogen allotropes.
07:16:03 syv: My chemistry knowledge is insufficient to know what that means.
07:16:58 Devastator: could summon things that would only normally be stable under extreme conditions, stuff like metallic hydrogen and what not.
07:17:17 Devastator: radicals are intermediary species that would normally be found in the middle of chemical reactions, because they're extremely unstable.
07:18:16 Devastator: yeah, can store vastly more energy than would otherwise be normal, do all kinds of strange and bizarre things.
07:18:33 syv: I'm suddenly reminded about an In The Pipeline article about azides, which mentioned a mixture that you couldn't not mix vigourously because it would continually explode.
07:19:45 syv: We do have some kind of fissile material just sitting around.
07:19:53 syv: It's buried in a hole, but still.
07:20:31 Devastator: still think it'd be best to be able to be powered by radiation.
07:20:46 Devastator: much easier than gold or normal food.
07:21:32 syv: For a very interesting definition of "easier", perhaps.
07:21:54 syv: I think uranium is generally considered more difficult to obtain than apples.
07:22:23 Devastator: eh, apples would work for now.
07:23:16 Devastator: cost less mana to make the nearly-infinite power supply from expanding radioactive pellets enough to have a large subcritical mass, which is all that's necessary.
07:24:56 syv: Gonna try to mold a winged mouse from clay, then swap the winged mouse's shape with a living mouse.
07:25:03 Devastator: that'd be enough to produce like megawats of energy.
07:25:31 syv: I'd assume this would kill the mouse instantly, since clay mouse would have no muscles or organs.
07:27:18 Devastator: yeah, should find out.
07:27:29 Devastator: buff experiments would be nice too.
07:28:39 syv: I'm doing science for science's sake, not to get you more power.
07:28:42 Devastator: maybe after stage 2.
07:28:50 Devastator: no hurry anyway, need to do other stuff for a while.
07:29:17 syv: But yeah, clay sculptures might be a way to get safe bodymods if you want to experiment on your waitstaff.
07:29:20 Devastator: but maybe other stuff like conductivity and what not.
07:29:38 Devastator: yeah, that'd be interesting if it works.
07:29:48 syv: Maybe I should have specified "very open about transhumanism" in the bit about selecting employees.
07:30:06 Devastator: nah, no worries. I was joking about the catgirl maids.
07:30:18 Devastator: although I am likely to buff at least the two permanent guards, if they want.
07:30:57 syv: Aww, just normal maids then?
07:31:59 Devastator: I mean, I wouldn't veto catgirl maids, but there are enough weirdo stuff in JRPGs that those specifically aren't anything special.
07:33:10 Devastator: could do a robot maid.
07:33:17 syv: It does appeal to me to have Saeko violating her waitstaff's rights and just molding them as she pleases.
07:33:42 syv: Piling on Ekrov's discomfort with who she is, which he constantly just rationalizes.
07:34:02 syv: Might not be able to do a robot maid. Robots can't interpret orders.
07:34:12 Devastator: well, could do that then.
07:34:14 syv: Though maybe I could enchant one to have a humanish mind?
07:34:23 Devastator: after stage 2 then, after she's got some cat parts herself.
07:34:28 syv: Maybe I'll try that this round.
07:34:34 Devastator: and yeah, quite possibly.
07:34:41 Devastator: you have human and animate.
07:36:39 syv: She's the levelup waifu in Bloodborne
07:38:44 syv: The first hunter, who made her and made the Dream which sustains the hunters, made her in imitation of one of his students, who he apparently had a crush on.
07:39:49 syv: She's much nicer than the original girl though, considering the original girl just decides to murder the PC immediately after meeting them, while the doll is very nice and helpful the entire game.
07:39:58 syv: Even if you beat her to death.
07:40:17 Devastator: wouldn't know anything about that.
07:43:08 Devastator: and yeah, abusing wait staff is ok.
07:43:56 syv: Maybe in the end of Cabal, Ekrov will retreat into hiding, taking Painting Saeko with him.
07:44:39 syv: Then he'll become a crotchety old blind man, and teach later mages to fight, training them to eventually try and fight Saeko.
07:44:58 Devastator: nah, saeko's gonna go down.
07:45:05 syv: Though I suppose Lady Maria, who the doll is based on, is a midboss.
07:45:16 Devastator: might try to travel to the sun to retrieve magic to 'fix' the world or whatever.
07:45:20 Devastator: get attacked by other players.
07:45:23 Devastator: either win or go down.
07:45:51 syv: Readers Digest is vs str, right?
07:46:19 syv: So Ekrov will always be very vulnerable to it.
07:46:32 Devastator: wouldn't do it, Ekrov's a PC.
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09:39:56 Topic for #einsteinianroulette: Do fleshorrors dream of eclectic blebs?
09:39:56 Topic set by syv [Sunday 01 March 2020, 07:55:55]
10:21:59 syv: That's all I have right now.
10:25:27 syv: I'm happy to talk, if you want.
10:34:20 syv: I don't know how to interpret that.
10:38:11 er: You know that I still don't consider Fork to be dead?
10:39:23 syv: You gonna update it, then? :3
10:49:12 er: Abyssgame system also appeals to me because it feels like equipment can be made a big part of it while remaining pretty true to the theme
10:50:17 syv: Yeah. MiA (holy shit! That acronym!) is a pretty low power setting, and it seems to be implied that equipment is much more important than personal skills.
10:50:47 syv: Consider how ridiculously OP Reg is, when really he's just got extendo-arms, a singleshot laser, and indestructibility.
10:52:38 er: Plus probably some level of transhumanism
10:52:51 er: At least for the higher levels
10:53:50 syv: Fastmole did seem a little inhuman. And the whites absolutely are transhuman, yeah, by nature of their descents if nothing else.
10:54:25 syv: Old black whistle who got attacked by Orby seemed to be pretty mundane. Was just screwed with his gear strewn about, really.
10:55:54 syv: Makes sense to have unusually OP monsters deep down.
10:56:34 syv: I suspect normals don't really have much they can do against the floaty fur wyrm thing that was met a couple of times, either.
10:57:03 er: Knowledge should probably play a big role, so that you can at least try to go around things that instagib your soft meat
10:57:04 syv: Most cavers are probably more "flee into the depths" kinda people.
10:58:55 er: You know we gotta have big weapons for theoretically dealing with big monsters
11:00:22 er: Maybe huge rifles which are a pain to actually get through caves but do pierce armor
11:03:53 er: Hmm, then there's the thing about relics
11:04:04 syv: Think players should have anything to do with setting up waystations?
11:04:39 er: Which would have to act as both nonstandard equipment and as the actual objective
11:05:21 er: The potatos don't seem to find anything useful, but they're not really looking
11:06:32 er: It probably wouldn't be too hard to set up a station. More of a resource sink than anything.
11:07:05 er: Actually settling down and running it yourself, that would be a substantially different game
11:07:59 syv: There does seem to be some old infrastructure in the abyss, like the little prayer caves.
11:08:11 syv: Maybe relics tend to be in places like that.
11:08:47 syv: And yeah, lots of cool stuff that they're just not looking for. They're probably taking mostly direct easy paths, anyway. Other people would've found stuff first.
11:09:12 er: You're not going to do any descending or ascending or finding things or gaining experience and knowledge in the same ways if you're an outpost leader
11:09:19 syv: ...Probably wouldn't make any sense to tie depth mechanics to relic usage, though it'd be cool.
11:09:48 syv: Yeah. I was thinking more of funding them, transporting supplies, getting people to run it.
11:09:50 er: But then, it could be fun in its own ways and this worth having a separate system for
11:10:16 syv: Might be a good retirement option to have PCs settle down and run waystations, giving some kinda permanent minor benefit if you work from there.
11:12:20 er: Well, I'm sure there are people who might prefer that kind of experience
11:13:06 er: Probably the same kind of person who imports foreign children and then farms mutations
11:14:46 syv: If you let me, I'd probably be more than happy to stop playing a character in favor of doing scientific crimes against humanity.
11:15:22 syv: Torturing small children is totally my jam.
11:15:54 syv: ...Though, does a potato still count as a small child if it has cleavage?
11:16:16 syv: I feel like small children don't have cleavage.
11:16:45 syv: How about you just not write about cleavage if you run a holegame.
11:16:51 syv: Raises too many questions.
11:19:48 er: Listen, the theatre of your mind can do what you want with my characters but leave me out of it~
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20:09:11 Topic for #einsteinianroulette: Do fleshorrors dream of eclectic blebs?
20:09:11 Topic set by syv [Sunday 01 March 2020, 07:55:55]
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21:28:16 ER: (More closely resembling an overlarge musket than a true cannon, this weapon is regardless extremely heavy and very cumbersome to use while caving, and despite its size its recoil is bone-shaking. Effective use requires inhuman strength, dogged determination, or an entrenched position such as an outpost or camp site. Despite these downfalls, a single shot from the cannon can pierce the skin of the largest and thoughest of monsters."
21:28:50 ER: "One holding this weapon cannot be mistaken for a killer of man, for its only practical purpose is for killing monsters."
21:30:10 ER: "The name originates from a practice where a deceased caver's bones are incinerated and the ash mixed in small quantities with the propellant. In this way, even should one fall in battle, they are able to strike their foes in death."
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