00:29:16 ER: I checked it earlier today and even commented below it, so it's super recent
00:29:53 Devastator: Yeah, I checked earlier today too.
00:30:57 Devastator: It's not possible for ASOTIL to show up while she's changing.
00:31:03 Devastator: that takes ZERO TIME.
00:32:07 Devastator: maybe she's just out of magic.
00:33:59 Devastator: Also, bet everyone's going to come up with competing much better explanations.
00:39:48 Devastator: also wondering how long she's declawed for.
00:54:10 Devastator: fuck,
syv's gonna kill me if he reads that before the comic.
01:06:23 Devastator: I will back up about changing, though,
syv already knows that and it doesn't spoil anything.
04:15:32 Devastator: any feedback on how it's going?
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04:19:12 syv: Thanks for the PM, haven't pulled it open yet.
04:19:58 Devastator: I spoiled it here, so read it first before logs.
04:22:40 syv: Aww, there's some kind've scaling issue on the snake pictures for me.
04:25:13 syv: I know how to click view image, yes. That's how I knew they weren't supposed to be jaggy. :P
04:25:37 Devastator: some devices it might not be easy to do that.
04:26:43 syv: Luckily I stopped believing Apple had any saving graces many years ago.
04:28:16 syv: ...Oddly it looks better on my Android than my PC.
04:28:30 ER: okay, so what do you think of my PS class blurbs? :3
04:29:43 Devastator: they seem good to me.
04:30:47 ER: truth be told they kind of just formed in my head while I was trying to sleep and then I had to get out of bed and write them down.
04:31:04 ER: which is why I changed my personal text to [TRANCES} :V
04:32:31 Devastator: yeah, not a super-long update.
04:32:38 Devastator: might still be anxious over trying to finish the game.
04:32:41 syv: I really liked a couple of them, meaning somewhere from 2-5, and the others I'd rewrite I think. Some I'd tinker a little bit with. I liked joy but wanted to put something about ignorance in.
04:32:42 Devastator: should just drop that, really.
04:33:19 syv: I'd say I have no idea why it's not done yet, but then I've had plenty of times where I waited months to make a tiny piece of progress because of anxiety.
04:33:51 syv: The Y-axis goes up way too much over time.
04:34:31 ER: okay but specifically which of them do you like any why
04:37:45 syv: Eq is nice, Bravery is great and really puts a character image into my head, Joy is great (but I want implication of something teamkilly), Inn I really like but think I might change the last line, Purity same--last line change, possibly just removable, Mercy is good but "good person" is lame; I'd choose a noun that's fancier.
04:38:11 syv: Love is perfect, and makes me want to change the class a little to match better.
04:38:28 ER: mercy was the one I couldn't think of anything very cool for :V
04:39:04 Devastator: "to do the right thing"
04:40:37 ER: bravery was one of the ones I wasn't sure if I captured what was in my head correctly, so I'm glad you liked it!
04:42:13 ER: Bravery and Innocence were just directly based off my reads of Blue and homura
04:42:32 ER: which is why Inn is implied to be hecking OP
04:42:44 ER: and Brav is implied to get you killed :V
04:46:33 ER: oh yeah, and my inspiration for creativity
04:55:07 ER: ironically I consider Creativity slightly more enlightened than Innocence
04:55:49 syv: Or maybe physics and biology.
04:58:17 ER: math isn't real but it can hurt you
04:59:19 Devastator: Mmm, chev asking for advice.
04:59:23 Devastator: I should write orders for Alida.
05:00:47 syv: I have what feels like a very obvious answer for Chev.
05:01:12 ER: SEVEN ARTILLERY ROUND STRENTH BOLTS
05:01:38 Devastator: "You can't carry a body and fight, you'll just get us both killed."
05:02:14 syv: Strictly speaking just dumping 90% of her soul into a bunch of manabolts very well might work.
05:02:21 syv: It's a really bad idea, but it might work.
05:02:28 Devastator: yeah. It's all-or nothing.
05:02:45 ER: it's a bad idea because that's still not enuff dakka
05:02:59 Devastator: way better than just sitting there and tanking it, but a good DwR song and getting ready for a less all-or-nothing shot should help.
05:03:42 syv: Hrm, she doesn't have soul nova.
05:04:34 syv: ...I don't recall what specifically I was thinking back when I first came up with this scenario, but it was before she did her last levelup. I wonder if I had deliberately been planning to avoid letting Tooru Soul Nova for a dungeon bypass.
05:04:55 syv: Probably not, she wouldn't murder the thousands of spectators.
05:05:57 ER: the whole crowd gives her their power
05:11:47 Devastator: that's a lotta corpses.
05:16:35 ER: I do have to admire how this labrynth has a wide range debuff which both me and ada are straight immune to
05:19:07 Devastator: though I was told that it wouldn't hamper a mobility 3 giant wolf too much.
05:19:18 Devastator: but yes, IS does seem handy.
05:29:31 Devastator: You guys totally could have designed a magical girl in K-com
05:29:38 Devastator: manabolts or whatever could have been weapons.
05:31:08 syv: The system is meant to adopt pretty much anything that can be expressed in terms of "hits about this hard, at about this range, moves about this fast, and is about this durable".
05:32:16 syv: We can't make Light Yagami as a unit, but beyond that there's not a great deal of combatants that can't be depicted decently accurately with rules so loose.
05:33:12 Devastator: light yagami's the thing that kills via the death note, right?
05:33:14 Devastator: or the person who uses it?
05:33:28 syv: Yes, he's the guy that uses it.
05:34:15 syv: If he knows the name of the victim, he writes it down and they die in the way described. And he more or less could just know the name of Kaiju if he's on the battlefield.
05:36:04 Devastator: I do have it downloaded it.
05:36:14 Devastator: he has no way of knowing the name of a kaiju.
05:36:41 syv: Dubs did seem to want to watch it with us, which is my only complaint, but that's a fairly minor issue.
05:36:54 ER: he both has the artifact, and he's buddies with a god of death who gave him said artifact
05:37:14 ER: who could probably tell him a kaiju's name because anime doesn't need logic
05:37:15 Devastator: yes, happy to watch it with dubs.
05:37:23 Devastator: yeah. Although, I doubt it.
05:37:28 Devastator: where did he meet the god of death?
05:37:36 syv: Also gods of death can see a thing's name by just looking at it. It's a core part of the plot.
05:38:06 syv: Kaiju might not have names, but then it probably works if he arbitrarily names the Kaiju "Mr Flufferkins" or whatever.
05:38:06 Devastator: otherwise, yeah, he wouldn't be able to know the name of kaiju.
05:38:12 Devastator: no, they have names.
05:38:37 ER: well, dubs isn't around for a while
05:38:37 syv: Are they named after angels?
05:39:28 syv: Really it wouldn't work, because I think the death note *specifically* works only on humans.
05:40:03 syv: But the point stands that the system isn't meant to accomodate a unit with the ability "if it sees something it can instantly kill that thing at any moment from then on, from any place."
05:40:32 syv: You could make a tag for it, ofc, but it's not exactly built for this.
05:41:03 syv: Also, he can get the names from a video feed.
05:41:08 syv: So doesn't even need to deploy.
05:41:11 Devastator: I haven't named any of them, but canonically they have names.
05:41:26 syv: Name them all retroactively!
05:41:26 Devastator: and yeah, the system can't handle that thing, I'd declare that invalid.
05:42:20 ER: can the system handle deathtouch?
05:42:39 ER: I think that's "If this unit deals any damage to another unit, that unit dies"
05:42:46 ER: or something along those lines
05:43:15 syv: It's never as good as it sounds. :(
05:43:41 ER: game's balanced based on both players having bullshit ;p
05:44:36 Devastator: It could handle some pretty potent hits like that.
05:44:40 Devastator: but not ID attacks.
05:44:58 Devastator: The damage table gets pretty high, though.
05:45:01 ER: hmm. seeing as
PW's already watched it, it probably wouldn't be too annoying if we start abyss without him
05:45:12 ER: though it would rob us of the ability to yell at him
05:45:50 syv: "This enemy has 10x power on every hit, but if its attack would not instantly kill the target, no damage is dealt."
05:46:18 syv: Probably how I'd rule ID in KCom.
05:46:20 Devastator: and yeah, it'd rob us of the ability to yell at him.
05:46:47 Devastator: I've got it, but I don't particularly want to watch anything tonight, anyway.
05:49:50 Devastator: also, 10x power on every hit would one-shot a huge number of kaiju.
05:50:37 ER: well yeah, the deathtoucher would have to be an expensive unit
05:50:55 Devastator: at the beginning of every damage step it'd basically murder everything, assuming you aren't dealing with like a - power unit.
05:51:17 Devastator: at the end of resolution it'd tink more, but.. yeah, kaiju aren't big on hitpoints.
05:51:32 syv: ...10x F damage would oneshot things?
05:53:30 Devastator: but no, not so much with F either.
05:53:56 syv: Armor weighs more heavily than I assumed, I guess?
05:53:58 Devastator: yeah, they don't take dozens of damaging hits to kill.
05:54:16 Devastator: there's also a lot of tinks that wouldn't happen with 10x damage at the start of the calculation.
05:54:42 syv: Only after armor breaking?
05:54:48 Devastator: odds are like one in 70.
05:55:24 Devastator: I'm also fudging that number a bit because I don't want to give you an exact one.
05:55:33 Devastator: and I can for that situation.
05:55:42 syv: I was literally just starting to pull open anydice.
05:56:27 Devastator: Should have made that your question.
05:56:29 syv: <4 on 2d12 is 1.39%, which is pretty close to 100/70.
05:56:39 Devastator: "What happens when an X shoots a kaiju."
05:57:08 syv: I'm sure there's many of better questions I could have asked.
05:57:14 Devastator: better than that, too.
05:58:26 Devastator: that x10 changes a bit depending on where it is.
05:58:31 Devastator: but most kaiju have under 20HP.
05:58:46 Devastator: so do 2+ damage and you're looking at oneshots.
05:59:23 syv: Mm, yeah, you said Kaiju strength tier was tied to boons, not actual stats, but boons can buff stats?
05:59:44 syv: I forget what exactly was said.
06:00:10 Devastator: there aren't that many stats being used.
06:00:27 Devastator: 'Strength' is a stat that does a huge amount of work.
06:00:56 syv:
ER, want to play Necrodancer or something?
06:04:35 Devastator: anyway, you did send in your orders, right?
06:04:42 Devastator: and
ER has the new info site.
06:06:12 Devastator: Next kaiju has 13 HP.
06:06:15 syv: I had been playing that map when we were talking about it.
06:07:49 Devastator: yeah, that's impressive as hell.
06:08:38 Devastator: how does he do the pushes away from the walls at the end?
06:10:25 syv: Gas bursts. Spend... 4% of total gas I think, you get a ~50 m/s speed boost for a fraction of a second, *unless* you either interrupt it by landing a grapple within a few frames of bursting (keeps the speed boost and lets you burst again instantly) OR burst *against* your current momentum, which straight reduces your speed.
06:11:27 syv: He uses the K speedometer, which measures in fractions of 100 m/s.
06:11:47 syv: ...Also it's units per second, and units are like a half meter, but meh. It's all relative.
06:13:09 Devastator: so make sure you don't run out of gas there.
06:13:13 Devastator: need it at the end.
06:13:36 syv: Actually, no. There's an entirely different strat that you can do, which looks entirely cooler.
06:13:53 syv: ...I kinda wanna upload a vid I have of that, it's really neat...
06:27:14 ER: I have thoughts that I want to share from my brain, but they're actually just massive jpegs of a bunch of plain exclaimation marks scattered around randomly
06:27:26 ER: so I'm not sure what that means
06:27:29 syv: Dunno how to help with that!
06:27:32 Devastator: You're a Metal Gear guard?
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06:38:23 Devastator: anyway, posted PS orders.
06:38:33 Devastator: they're a bit complicated. Can you read them enough to make sense of it?
06:39:49 syv: Oh, I noticed that when I posted.
06:39:55 syv: Yeah, they're fine. Clear and makes sense.
06:40:09 Devastator: also noticed I don't have painless yet.
06:40:29 Devastator: need to activate that when going to the next labrynth, before doing anything.
06:47:47 syv: Unless you stab yourself in the face or something.
06:48:03 Devastator: cheaper than effigy.
06:48:07 Devastator: and that is a possibility.
06:49:40 syv: I enjoy the fact that you're having the precise difficulties with your class that I intended your class to have.
06:50:18 Devastator: yes, it makes sense.
06:50:22 Devastator: not enough primary actions.
06:50:29 syv: It's a pity that
ER doesn't seem likely to run Refine. I'd adore having someone take my game and spin it in their own way.
06:50:52 Devastator: I don't think I could do it justice myself.
06:50:57 Devastator: k-com and Sh are more my style.
06:51:16 Devastator: k-com is TOO MANY LEVERS and Sh is TOO MUCH WORLD.
06:52:39 syv: Still, I'd love to see someone else's take. PS is something I made by taking a bunch of things and mixing them together for a purpose, and it's very much flavored by my ideas of what it should be. It'd be so cool to see someone else take it and add their own ideas. I'm sure I'd disagree with most, but it'd still be awesome.
06:53:03 Devastator: oh yes, absolutely.
06:53:13 Devastator: more PS is good, and there's plenty of room for varients.
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06:53:46 syv: I really like this segment of that map ^
06:54:14 syv: And it shows the alternate method of the stairs in Makina Volcano, if you don't want to spend all your gas like Alpi did.
06:57:20 syv: The game is really quite boring in the core titan-killing.
06:57:38 syv: But I can't think of any other game that has anywhere near the creativity available for obstacle courses and races.
06:57:56 syv: It's completely broken too, but broken in the best way.
06:58:19 syv: I'm sure you could have four racers play that map and have them use four solutions for those stairs.
07:03:37 syv: Not really very good for MP though.
07:03:57 syv: I like Alleg's VC system. More games should do that kind've thing.
07:06:03 Devastator: Just.. very precise.
07:06:22 Devastator: and it's fully integrated with the chat system, so can send as PM, send to sectors, etc.
07:06:34 Devastator: ..also another reason why I sometimes PM too much on here.
07:06:47 Devastator: gets it off the team channel in Alleg.
07:07:59 Devastator: oh, you wanted something to do in Cabal?
07:08:05 Devastator: maybe find out what angelic means.
07:14:35 syv: Knew I was forgetting something
07:15:20 syv: Think I can cast a simple Kno spell asking "what is angelic?"
07:15:32 Devastator: with the word? Sure.
07:15:51 Devastator: hell, you have human, so spell yourself knowledge directly maybe.
07:16:39 syv: I'm hesitant to mix angelic with human, especially on myself.
07:16:59 syv: If I had to bet, "angelic" is closer to NGE angels than typical angels.
07:17:27 Devastator: well, could just do a d4 summon or something.
07:17:28 syv: Or to the really biblical ones, the ones that are fricking terrifying.
07:17:37 Devastator: wheel of eyes, baby.
07:25:11 Devastator: ahh, christian.. (the guy in pikasprey).
07:25:25 Devastator: builds a really complicated searching deck for a stupid strategy that depends on a specific card.
07:26:36 Devastator: he's playing a Yu-Gi-Oh game.
07:26:47 Devastator: less annoying than the last one of those he played, but it's good no-brain content.
07:27:40 Devastator: starts building the deck at 1:52
07:28:52 syv: Working on turn right now, sorry.
07:29:10 syv: Any suggestions for Universal Lube experiments?
07:29:47 Devastator: stuff related to monsterization would be nice.
07:29:58 Devastator: but I'd want to see if you can swap 'alive' and 'dead'
07:30:14 syv: Monsterization you'll have to suggest.
07:30:23 syv: Cause I don't have ideas there.
07:30:35 Devastator: or use 'full and empty' to refill stuff.
07:31:08 Devastator: basically if you can make a creature improbably powerful in some way without it like exploding.
07:31:19 Devastator: like make a beetle as strong as a mouse.
07:31:31 Devastator: can do summons for that.
07:32:20 syv: I'd probably just buy some mice and a cat or dog.
07:32:24 Devastator: other than that, well, maybe some materials work, like can you make diamond-hard but still shapable steel plate?
07:32:41 Devastator: I kinda want to do summons at one point to find out if you can summon a temporary creature and use it as one of the ingredients.
07:33:01 Devastator: a 1hr duration d12 feline will have a lot more oomph than anything you can buy, for instance.
07:37:14 Devastator: also want to buy some diamonds for the alchemy kit. And that, probably.
07:39:14 Devastator: stage 2 will be pretty quickly.
07:39:34 syv: An idea I had was swapping alcohol's flammability with other materials. Though thinking about it now, it's probably not very useful? Air is always going to be a better way to make something disappear.
07:40:27 Devastator: remember how it almost broke
ER when it happened during that test game?
07:40:57 syv: There's conservation of traits by volume, though.
07:41:25 Devastator: although, can you swap volume?
07:41:45 syv: If I switch a whiskey bottle's worth of alcohol with a patch of ground with triple the volume, it's one third as flammable. Or at least I'd assume. That's how solidity and weight work.
07:42:03 syv: I'm testing swapping volume, yes.
07:42:48 Devastator: doesn't mean it won't work.
07:42:52 Devastator: that could be better, actually.
07:43:01 Devastator: Saeko has chemical, after all.
07:43:05 Devastator: could make some really serious bombs.
07:43:51 Devastator: also, maybe you could do something like mass-produce items. Take like a bag of sand and swap the number of it with something more valuable, like a few tree logs.
07:44:02 Devastator: I don't think you can do that.
07:45:02 syv: I can definitely make some very neat bombs.
07:45:28 syv: I have a bag of bomblets that I've been carrying around for months, and then there's the uranium...
07:45:35 Devastator: might end up eating that.
07:45:40 syv: Ohhh we could remove the radiation.
07:45:49 Devastator: then it wouldn't be anything special.
07:45:58 Devastator: but yes, could make something else radioactive.
07:46:00 syv: Wouldn't you rather build a furnace to power the spirit C130?
07:46:32 Devastator: nah, rather alter saekos digestive system so she can eat radiation, and then be powered by expanded pellet chunks. Never need to eat anything at all.
07:46:46 Devastator: in truth I think I'd rather just dismantle that C130 into a fixed location.
07:47:33 Devastator: Use it as like a base AI and to run any thaumic stuff we want to build into it.
07:47:47 syv: I'd rather rip AI from broken aircraft, myself.
07:49:05 Devastator: fair point, go back and get others.
07:49:20 syv: I did plant that teleport beacon in there~
07:49:27 Devastator: plus we need to pick up saeko there and get that painting, if willing. I'd really like to get access to the huge mana pile.
07:51:46 Devastator: plus it could be cool in itself..
07:51:50 Devastator: I know I like it more than you do, though.
07:52:57 Devastator: yes, the huge pile of mana.
07:53:14 Devastator: it'd also free saeko from having to have ekrov as an intermediary every time a little mana is needed.
07:54:02 syv: Yeah, to me it's mostly just freedom from having to think about resource costs.
07:54:10 syv: Which I already kinda functionally have.
07:55:10 syv: I guess I have until Monday for it to really matter, so if you have any suggestions, say so.
07:57:00 Devastator: I might add a line about what the goal is with 'help saeko find people'
07:57:07 Devastator: cheaper price? Better people?
07:57:25 syv: What's your opinion there?
07:57:35 syv: I'd think skilled and loyal workers are the priorities.
07:58:38 Devastator: yeah, but
PW won't remember that.
07:58:53 Devastator: I don't know, better might be better.
07:59:10 syv: Literally asking for "better"? /:|
08:00:40 syv: Eh, you come up with an answer, I'll edit it in later.
08:00:47 syv: Someone asked to race with me.
08:14:50 Devastator: also suggested the players look at the philosophy of Willie Sutton in Sh.
08:14:55 Devastator: can you understand what that means?
11:33:02 syv: I don't recognize the name, no,
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16:56:55 Devastator: "Why do you rob banks?"
16:57:00 Devastator: "Because that's where the money is."
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23:07:15 Piecewise: I've heard we're watching anime tonight
23:07:49 ER: I've corralled
PW and Irony so far
23:08:07 ER: Hopefully
dev and
syv will appear at appropriate times
23:14:06 ER:
Piecewise, about that Scupture that
syv made in cabal
23:14:30 ER: do you have a predefined list of aspects which it can be used to modify?
23:15:13 ER: I feel like you might want to do that and give him the list, unless it's supposed to be able to do like, basically anything
23:15:28 ER: because "trait" is a pretty broad category
23:29:43 Piecewise: thats why it has a cool cown
23:30:00 Piecewise: so if he does something OP I can just slap a year cool down on it
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23:41:43 ER: you know that
syv doesn't show up until like midnight our time, right?
23:45:49 animewhen: When does irony show up?
23:46:42 ER: anyway, game where you're trying to prevent the apocalyse. settlements can have four basic status effects on them. pestilence, war, death, and conquest. :P
23:54:05 animewhen: how do you prevent it?
23:57:56 ER: by killing the dead gods and mantling their divinity, obviously
23:58:15 ER: and then hopefully it wasn't just inevitable anyways
23:58:42 ER: I mean, the gods gave up on it, but surely if you had their power you could do better, right?
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