00:02:08 Devastator: welp, have to say goodbye to the glowing. ;-p
00:02:42 Piecewise: You might still end up glowing. Maybe even more so
00:03:38 Devastator: that'd be something.
00:03:53 Piecewise: Depending on how level up mutations go, you might end up as a straight up radiant catgirl
00:04:20 Piecewise: I'm gonna have to go create a roll chart that is at least equal parts good, bad and neutral effects..
00:05:12 Devastator: it's a mutation for a level up, or a permanent self-buff, right?
00:06:04 Piecewise: Basically any permanent manipulation of your body that doesn't include a mana pool you have to upkeep
00:06:14 Devastator: ahh, ok, I'll list those.
00:06:29 Devastator: got 3. ears, str to d6, kno to d8.
00:06:52 Devastator: a mana a day presumably.
00:07:38 Devastator: I'll drop the str one.
00:07:52 Devastator: the ears also aren't enough to probably be worth it, I'll think about that.
00:08:54 Devastator: I'll make a list for you.
00:09:23 Devastator: sorry for flip-flopping.
00:13:01 Devastator: what's the goal with the changes, anyway?
00:13:12 Devastator: no items with 1200 spells on them?
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00:37:25 Piecewise: have you seen cabal?
00:39:13 sy: Was thinking about writing a big post essay about my thoughts
00:40:26 Piecewise: And
Dev, the goal here is to address the problem of people asking me questions I have no idea the answer to
00:41:33 Piecewise: I made a game about people getting into gang fights and now we're doing Magic Tinker built on several years worth of snap decisions and assumptions
00:42:15 sy: So... Perplexicon, yet again. :V
00:42:31 Piecewise: Perplexicon's issue was power creep less than tinker
00:42:41 Piecewise: once you knew the words, you were a living god
00:42:49 Piecewise: and it had 50 players which was...a lot
00:42:55 sy: I thought Perplexicon's issue was too many players
00:43:01 Devastator: I'm just going to write a blank list of stuff I'm keeping on saeko.
00:43:06 Devastator: do actions.. later.
00:44:22 Piecewise:
Er's already posted a thing
00:44:51 Devastator: or maybe I'll just watch for a while.
00:44:55 sy: Yeah, 100% agreement with his last post.
00:45:03 Devastator: anyway, let me know if you're asking your Question,
sy.
00:45:22 sy: Time before you begin working on update?
00:45:32 sy: I could just throw something out now if necessary.
00:45:48 Devastator: I'll work on it sometime after waking up Saturday.
00:46:16 Devastator: There is one thing I do kinda agree with.
00:46:33 Devastator: if it's just mundane reshaping, it might not take much upkeep at all, maybe close enough to count as zero.
00:46:44 Devastator: I mean, steel cloth armour isn't anything that would take any world changes to maintain.
00:46:48 Devastator: enchanting that would.
00:48:02 Devastator: I do think anything biology related should take mana, mana being life and all.
00:48:30 sy: "Purely biological", you mean.
00:48:47 Devastator: nah, biology related, not just purely biological.
00:49:00 sy: A mouse that eats sand and defecates gold is biology related, but is clearly a problem.
00:49:23 Devastator: yeah, and would take mana.
00:49:54 sy: Ahh, yeah, misread initially.
00:50:05 sy: I shouldn't be writing opinions right now! Oh well.
00:52:02 Devastator: It'll definately make it harder to become a giant monster/sky goddess, though.
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01:10:46 sy: Yeah, but there's less every day. The amazon's still on fire, isn't it?
01:14:21 ER: where were you when they announced Cabal Second Edition
01:15:10 sy: Lying in bed reading about Worm, rather than getting up and making breakfast.
01:15:55 ER: I grant this action a grade of A
01:16:21 sy: Apparently Worm had an overly-paranoid hacker character who was scared of artificial intelligence, named Saint.
01:17:06 sy: It's honestly a little creepy.
01:17:52 Piecewise: Its not like we're all in a big truman show situation or anything
01:18:36 ER: if so we really need to fire the writers
01:19:47 Devastator: I was going to say that none of our lives are probably that interesting, but then I remembered reality TV.
01:20:06 sy: Screw you, my life is fascinating.
01:20:34 sy: Also, Dubs has an anime harem or something, so he probably rates a second rate timeslot.
01:20:36 Piecewise: We're just heavily edited
01:21:10 Piecewise: Anyone's life can look fun if you only watch 1 minute of it a day
01:21:26 ER: if you edited my life down to only the interesting bits, you would have a couple episodes where you're very very confused about who this idiot is
01:21:46 Piecewise: looking back on today, I might disprove that statement
01:21:51 Devastator: It's
MJ who might have it.
01:22:50 sy: Your life would be edited into vines,
ER.
01:26:04 Devastator:
MJ would have the anime series, you two would get docudramas,
PW would get.. what?
01:26:40 Devastator: disaster news film?
01:26:47 Devastator: found footage, that's it.
01:27:24 sy:
MJ's life is mostly schoolwork and getting drunk then watching shows or talking to people. Some D&D in there.
01:27:50 sy: It'd be a pretty crappy anime to be honest.
01:28:25 sy: Though I think his room is a harem protagonist, so he might be a secondary character in *that* guy
01:28:29 Devastator: yeah, but he's got the roommate harem situation.
01:28:39 Devastator: it might be an alternate point of view anime.
01:34:33 Devastator: Those text plates seeme pretty tought to me.
01:35:55 Devastator: ..and yeah, the reason we have nigh-unlimited resources is because nigh-unlimited resources were given to us.
01:38:25 sy: That's seemed consistently weird to me.
01:38:58 sy: Keep feeling like the rug's gonna be pulled out from under us, yet... there's nothing. It's just oh, random free endless treasure.
01:39:30 sy: I also suspect this won't actually fix any problems.
01:39:51 sy: Magical tinker isn't a problem because of permanent enchants, it's a problem because people are interested in the system.
01:40:26 sy: Changed the system, it won't end questions or stop the plates from spinning, it just changes the questions and plates...
01:40:56 Devastator: eh, I'll cut things down some.
01:41:02 Devastator: concentrate on one thing at a time.
01:41:14 Devastator: and it'll be a bit better.
01:41:20 Devastator: there's a more reasonable framework for answers.
01:41:24 ER: It makes the answers more consistant though.
01:42:01 ER: He posted that right after I pointed out that Painting consumes 5 mana a day, and initially costed 14 mana for 6 days.
01:42:40 ER: and then I guess he got fed up with the ad hoc answers he'd been giving and decided to change it to something he makes up now
01:43:28 sy: Yeah, but that's something that can still happen. "I want to make a wand of cast fireball" "Okay, you spend 14 mana and have a wand with six fireballs". Later, with a different person "I want to charge up a wand of cast fireball" "Okay, your wand will cost 5 mana per fireball."
01:44:00 sy: At best, the magical items can now have their exact cost listed next to them, so there's less asking.
01:44:16 Devastator: and easier to look them up.
01:44:23 ER: no, the way it works is that it costs 14 mana to make it, and additionally 5 or 10 or whatever you chose mana flat to charge it.
01:45:06 ER: and then the item contains the mana you used as a battery, uses a fairly consistant amount for its effect, and can be recharged to its full.
01:45:50 sy: And all these numbers are decided on the fly. So if somebody else asks for the same information, because the information either was not recorded or was not remembered, he can give a different answer.
01:46:17 Devastator: having it recorded should help.
01:46:49 sy: But it won't really fix questions about creating magical buffs, or items, or whatever.
01:47:02 ER: I'd assume that he's going to make notes for approximately how much effects should cost now
01:47:14 sy: Now they just have a different framework they're answered within.
01:47:58 Devastator: which can make things easier.
01:56:39 ER: Trump: "hey, disinfectant kills viruses, right? why don't we just inject that inside of ourselves? everyone else is dumb and I'm a genius for coming up with this flawless plan"
01:56:55 Devastator: That's pretty close.
01:56:59 Devastator: 'inject sunlight inside your body.'
01:57:28 Devastator: on the plus side, his poll numbers are starting to actually slide a bit.
01:57:59 sy: And they didn't get nearly as much of a bump from covid as they should've.
01:58:05 ER:
Aigre went to the lewd roleplaying forum
01:58:11 sy: And we're still not on the downslope.
01:58:31 sy: Was this the same lewd roleplaying forum as the one I found?
01:58:48 ER: well, I'm just assuming he's still there
01:58:49 sy: With the space game named kriemhilde gretchen, that had no visible connection to PM3/
01:58:59 ER: he was talking about how much he loved it
01:59:13 sy: I'd totally join an
Aigre ERP.
01:59:33 sy: Grab the catgirls by the pussy!
02:01:01 Devastator: posted the sum of enchants I'm keeping.
02:01:13 Devastator: might drop some of the lightness ones.
02:01:29 Devastator: Benedict is going to be assumed to be charged until we get back to the capital. I'll then redo him.
02:01:41 Devastator: except he eats the supply.
02:02:03 ER: I need a large supply of delicious fruits for Salt
02:02:28 ER: probably still going to go for all +5 stats lol
02:02:33 Devastator: eh, I think you're good once hear.
02:02:36 ER: already most of the way there
02:02:36 Devastator: assuming you don't explode.
02:03:14 Devastator: so how's the neon game?
02:03:20 Devastator: Neon Revolver spinoff.
02:03:34 ER: and you know, I do love having good odds on basically every spell type
02:03:52 Devastator: is that the laundromat from all-night laundry?
02:04:14 Devastator: I'd read that again but I lost interest when I realized there were just going to be more and more characters.
02:06:55 Devastator: Just seems less scary and horrific with five or six people around instead of one person alone.
02:09:35 Devastator: eventually more characters are introduced.
02:11:27 Devastator: had a thing of daily updates that continued for years.
02:38:54 sy: I'm apparently still getting comments complaining that I gave Sekiro a negative review.
02:39:12 sy: I also apparently haven't checked my Steam inbox in two months.
02:39:42 ER: sekrio best game, silence the haters
02:40:53 sy: One of the four new comments claimed that I was wrong that it didn't have much replayability. Apparently playing charmless massively changes how one approaches fights.
02:49:42 ER: I barely used the arm tools lol
02:49:55 Devastator: Ahh, inevitable defeat.
02:49:58 Devastator: "The First Canadian Infantry are driving towards Berlin."
02:54:02 sy: Mm. Germany gets to be the *fifth* strongest country in Berlin, then.
03:06:24 Devastator: although in this world it looks like the western allies are going to take Berlin.
03:09:32 Devastator: what's this one about?
03:10:10 ER: you're swat, consisting of humans and aliens.
03:10:29 ER: and besides that only things
dev will hate
03:10:40 Devastator: It's an xcom spinoff.
03:10:44 Devastator: it will only be things I hate.
03:10:57 Devastator: because the only people who make xcom spinoffs enjoy the elements I dislike.
03:11:29 ER: you've got four characters per mission and they're set. If they die you just lose the mission and have to reload so there's no ironman.
03:12:04 Devastator: Fire emblem rules, then.
03:12:19 Devastator: That's not necessarily a problem for a game, just for an x-com one.
03:12:23 ER: the only fire emblem I've ever played has permadeath :P
03:12:49 Devastator: but nobody plays that way. ;-p
03:12:55 ER: the ther thing is interleaved turns
03:13:06 ER: every unit has their own initiavtive
03:13:53 ER: each mission consists of maybe 2 or 3 individual rooms you breach seperately.
03:14:04 ER: clear one room, move to the next.
03:14:07 Devastator: interleaved turns are also okay for a tactical game.
03:14:29 Devastator: It's sounding like someone made it the tactical game it wanted to be.
03:14:32 Devastator: that's not a problem.
03:14:52 ER: I'm fine with it being different and experimental
03:15:41 ER: it's also basically the same setup as Tactical Breach Wizards. :P
03:16:07 ER: take yer characters, breach a little room and deal with the enemy
03:31:24 sy: I'm wondering if I misread Neon Nightmare's rules.
03:32:15 sy: It says that if an attack lands, the enemy dies. If they have an attack of the same type, they can parry and maybe damage you, maybe die. Damage dice only matter for these parries.
03:32:32 Devastator: that seems.. lethal.
03:33:10 sy: ...None of the current enemies have thrust, which is a light weapon thing, so I automatically get to kill two of them basically immediately for free by thrusting. Unless they have special quirks allowing resistance to attacks.
03:33:49 sy: This does not seem like a very reasonable design.
03:38:44 ER: Yeah, but I'll gladly try to exploit it
03:41:19 ER: I'll predict the casual maybe living through my turn because I can't see his weapon
03:41:41 ER: Think both goons are pretty damn dea though
03:50:11 ER: did we want to watch something tonight?
04:01:58 Piecewise: I'd say if you get tired of Eva, try the rebuild movies. The first two are good at least. And they condense everything into a short time
04:02:28 ER: "if you get tired of eva, watch more eva"
04:06:54 Devastator: well, pick a ghibli movie, and we'll watch that after EVA this time.
04:13:07 ER: regardless of the rest of the show, this is a good song ;P
04:13:43 syv: The lyrics are hilarious though
04:13:48 Devastator: You can call that your kill move in PS,
ER.
04:13:55 Devastator: TORRENT OF ARDENT PATHOS.
04:14:04 Devastator: except I don't think your character knows any of those words.
04:14:19 syv: He has a kill move? Beyond IM?
04:14:38 syv: Sophia's witch is a top, which kinda fits torrent.
04:15:14 ER: MB4 can kill, even if it's probably not ideal
04:16:27 Devastator: Sadly, these kids mean I can no longer call her the sanest character.
04:17:08 Devastator: Nowhere. Just time filling.
04:18:10 syv: Why would you go to a movie theater, alone, to sleep?
04:19:09 Devastator: Boredrom is a serious issue among the unemployed.
04:19:20 Devastator: as is.. other things.
04:20:26 ER: Guys, I don't think we'll be getting any action in this episode ;p
04:25:08 Devastator: This guy is mellow.
04:25:58 Devastator: He's got more brains than balls. And he went out to see a robot fight.
04:26:47 syv: Guess that's where you're supposed to store gods.
04:27:12 Devastator: I think it's a motto. Like "God's in his heaven, and we're on our earth."
04:27:22 Devastator: can't read the rest.
04:28:13 Devastator: totally going to stick. ;-p
04:28:47 ER: honor dictates that you punch me in the face
04:28:57 Devastator: "I demand satisfaction"
04:29:02 Devastator: "PUNCH ME IN THE FACE"
04:29:31 Devastator: yeah, that could have been better.
04:29:59 Devastator: meguca is suffering.
04:30:53 ER: oh yeah, the difference between the two japanese audio tracks is the song at the end
04:31:22 syv: Is it sung in Japanese in either ver?
04:31:30 ER: in one it's a japanese sounding person singing in english, and in the other it's an american sounding person singing in english
04:33:12 ER: "hey, I decided to suffer some more"
04:33:29 Devastator: one cannot stop being meguca.
04:34:32 ER: so yeah, try the different audios here
04:35:09 Devastator: all three tracks have different VAs.
04:35:17 syv: Yeah, Jap 2 is American, while Jap 1 and Eng are Jap.
04:35:25 Devastator: but different ones.
04:35:50 syv: End and Jap 1 sound identical to me.
04:36:17 Devastator: next one might have action.
04:36:51 Devastator: should I bother scoring the child?
04:36:55 ER: "Rei, Beyond the Heart" and "Rei I"
04:38:16 Devastator: wonder when red shows up.
04:39:14 ER: by yelling at people and killing things with a spear
04:39:15 Devastator: I think red in the opening video is like Kyoko.
04:39:30 Devastator: complete list of bones in the body there.
04:39:35 Devastator: also is american, I think.
04:39:50 Devastator: Those safeties, they do nothing.
04:40:14 syv: Who puts thrusters on a plug?
04:40:18 Devastator: Gendo, you doing good.
04:40:37 syv: Just put thrusters on everythig.
04:40:53 Devastator: Gendo caring about a person?
04:42:34 ER: horribly dangerous untested magitech
04:44:37 Devastator: he's busy cosplaying that enemy from megama.
04:45:06 Devastator: "My father? Don't you mean some kind of parasitic doppelganger?"
04:46:38 Devastator: ..they're both in the same room?
04:47:10 Devastator: "That can't be my father. I must warn them.. warn the world."
04:47:16 Devastator: "The angels, they've infiltrated us."
04:47:46 Devastator: advanced bachelor cuisine that.
04:48:46 Devastator: yeah, looks like some filler before the next fight. Gotta worry about that budget.
04:50:05 syv: Not very adept at being human/
04:52:04 Devastator: someone rolled a 1.
04:52:14 Devastator: and yes, max anime.
04:52:39 ER: and as expected, she doesn't give any fucks
04:52:51 syv: At least that's a difference from usual.
04:53:46 Devastator: and yes, no fucks were given.
04:54:01 ER: you should be like this husk, shinji. you should learn to not care about anything
04:54:20 Devastator: "Doesn't care about anything anymore."
04:55:28 ER: "damn, I thought you were an emotionless husk like your dad"
04:57:05 Devastator: well, not filler, this.
04:57:56 Devastator: so scoring this one?
04:58:02 ER: hey look, it's the city core
04:58:58 Devastator: that's.. like 3, 4 right there.
04:59:23 Devastator: scoring it for comparison to my kaiju system.
04:59:30 Devastator: it'd be a question to get a full explanation.
04:59:33 syv: Can you stop counting in here?
04:59:34 Devastator: but I won't if it bothers you.
05:00:41 Devastator: last one for tonight.
05:03:14 Devastator: that zap deserves a replay.
05:03:38 Devastator: "Why is dodging a subroutine? It's not that hard!"
05:04:05 syv: Just increase power to the life support systems.
05:04:09 Devastator: He's clearly not been zapped hard enough.
05:04:33 ER: THE DRILL THAT SHALL PIERCE THE HEAVENS
05:04:52 Devastator: well, clearly the angels know where to sttack now.
05:05:22 ER: this shit didn't work last time
05:05:43 Devastator: I think they're just buying a minute or two.
05:06:21 Devastator: this is one serious thing.
05:06:49 ER: I want an underground fortress with 22 layers of armor
05:06:56 Devastator: How much did this cost?
05:07:11 Devastator: That might actually be the case.
05:08:05 Devastator: I'd complain about this room being excessive, but 22 layers of armour.
05:09:02 syv: And they're doing ALL THIS while it's drilling into their base?
05:09:18 Devastator: They built that base tough.
05:09:41 Devastator: yeah.. all the money,
ER.
05:11:47 Devastator: This really is something.
05:12:38 Devastator: Other than not really understanding their magic robots, NERV is like competent.
05:15:58 ER: insert modern warfare reference here
05:16:22 Devastator: I'd complain about this being dodgy, but they put this together in what, 15 hours?
05:16:40 Devastator: yeah, not being able to sim it up in that time..
05:16:51 Devastator: getting the computers probably took a lot of the time.
05:17:31 ER: will the diamond get suspicious at ALL the power going out at once?
05:19:00 Devastator: "No pressure, kid."
05:19:42 Devastator: I'd expect there to be a handful of failures, but compensated through design, personally.
05:20:00 Devastator: ie, they only need, say, 95% of them to work.
05:21:24 Devastator: that's a serious octahedron.
05:23:18 Devastator: now victory achieved.
05:23:39 syv: The angels seem to be following a rather exponential power curve.
05:23:40 Devastator: yeah, that was a good ep.
05:24:08 Devastator: that might have been precision, though, that first one seemed to have an area weapon.
05:24:11 Devastator: second one had melee.
05:24:14 Devastator: this one was a sniper.
05:24:49 ER: they had better loot the fuck out of that shape
05:25:12 Devastator: yeah, find that gun.
05:25:51 Devastator: not a good ep,
syv?
05:26:46 Devastator: It didn't enter a beam war..
05:26:47 syv: Didn't care much for its story.
05:28:53 Devastator: looks like new character next ep.
05:29:02 Devastator: but yeah, probably done.
05:31:19 Devastator: be ok with watching something else another day.
05:34:46 Devastator: also up for a particular movie if you'd prefer.
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05:46:27 MidJag: Also, motor protiens are adorable, they literally walk around.
05:47:12 MidJag: I mean, it's not the most super duper accurate, but close enough.
05:47:25 Devastator: been down. Screwed up a few times at work.
05:47:33 Devastator: but made a good meal today so feeling a bit better.
05:47:38 Devastator: and watched a good movie yesterday.
05:48:36 Devastator: "Laputa, Castle in the Sky."
05:48:43 Devastator: also been watching EVA with the others.
05:49:01 MidJag: Isn't a Laputa a type of bullet?
05:50:33 syv: Laputa is from Gulliver's travels.
05:50:38 syv: And means whore in Spanish.
05:50:47 MidJag: Ah, I was wondering why that sounded familiar.
05:52:07 MidJag: Anything I can do to help?
05:53:10 MidJag: Well, hope you feel better soon.
06:00:01 Devastator: you available for a watch anytime,
MJ?
06:00:24 Devastator: Right, you're just finishing up.
06:00:41 MidJag: Not till after next week. I got finals next week.
06:03:15 MidJag: Welp, I Should probably start heading to bed anyway. Got a test tomorrow afternoon.
06:03:17 Devastator: and good luck to you,
syv.
06:04:30 MidJag: Also,
ER, I know you aren't here, but I'm saying high!
06:06:21 Devastator: and good luck to you three
ER.
06:08:00 MidJag: But there's only 1~ of me. Because, goodnight.
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22:46:21 Devastator: You okay with the answer to your question,
ER?
22:50:06 Devastator: just worried there wasn't enough info.
22:50:43 ER: tell me which universe they come from, then
22:50:51 ER: so that I can throw rocks at them
22:51:31 Devastator: I didn't name it. You'll get a lead on the 'directions' to it from your new intel building.
22:51:41 Devastator: you'll need to figure out how to get there, though.
22:53:10 Devastator: or in other words, research some kind of portal or something after the information is finished.
22:54:02 ER: portal with built in trebuchet
22:54:09 ER: so that I can throw rocks at them
22:56:18 Devastator: like catgirls, go for it.
23:04:19 Devastator: going to buy Medieval:TW again.
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