00:00:10 Devastator: if there is a confrontation it'll happen at some point after they're no longer physically compatable. ;-p
00:01:18 ER: "not physically compatable" is a lie told by people with insufficeint bravery
00:03:55 Devastator: Nah, I don't think it'd be possible once she's so large her nerve endings are too far apart to feel Ekrov. So there is a theoretical limit. ;-p
00:04:42 Devastator: I don't want to do that math, though.
00:06:49 ER: what's you don't want to be upgrading your sensativity alongside your size?
00:07:00 ER: it's more information for you, my freind
00:07:22 Devastator: I don't have a word for that.
00:10:20 Devastator: although she'll probably get bigger this turn to help move furnature, and smaller the day after to help fly up and bag that crystal.
00:11:38 ER: Yeah. Well, Human is absurdly good for all kind of enchantments.
00:12:05 ER: Because it gives you at least one toehold to work with even if you don't have anything pertaining to the thing you want
00:13:15 ER: And also it make reproducing a lot easier. :V
00:13:47 Devastator: you'd probably create a person who doesn't create mana.
00:13:51 Devastator: which could be bad.
00:14:16 ER: Perma created baboon seemed to work fine
00:14:43 ER: people don't need a large amount of mana to live.
00:15:57 Devastator: oh, it isn't fatal for one person.
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03:18:09 Devastator: just wondering how you're doing.
03:18:12 Devastator: and if I'm boring you too much.
03:22:35 Devastator: Also, is Zavi undergoing some kind of obvious special effects from +5 in stats?
03:30:22 Devastator: also, I bet those home lab boxes contain rare stuff.
03:31:43 Devastator: or maybe just stuff the king wanted.
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03:56:57 Devastator: going to update k-com tomorrow.
03:57:03 Devastator:
ER's catgirls are 5 turns away.
03:59:24 Piecewise__: I'll be honest
dev, I'm really in and out right now
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04:58:41 Devastator: well, saeko's doing okay.
04:58:53 Devastator: trying out wings to try and fly up to grab the city core from the middle of the core room.
04:59:20 Devastator: will do that after removing a shitload of stuff from the ceiling first, because it's got some weird 360 degree gravity.
04:59:45 MidJag: I'm currentlly drunklyl playing stone soup
04:59:54 MidJag: and watching seinfeld with my brothers
05:00:37 Devastator: also almost drowned herself because apparently flight-capable wings are biiig and they ship a lot of water when they get wet.
05:06:27 Devastator: well, if I can get
ER's character to magically lighten her a bit more drowning will be nearly impossible.
05:11:16 Devastator: unless canoe-style happens.
05:12:37 Devastator: ie, she's upside down. Light enough to float, but can't flip over.
05:24:24 Devastator: also probably going to have to work on finding a solution to armour them, as she wraps them around herself twice to fold them up.
05:24:28 Devastator: I'll come up with something.
05:30:41 MidJag: Seinfeld is a funny show
05:44:16 Devastator: been some years since I watched any Seinfeld.
05:54:33 MidJag: Oh, the pothole is hilarious
06:06:51 Devastator: that was a good one.
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16:59:05 ER: Well, as I mentioned when it happened, I'm an uncle now.
17:19:47 Devastator: 'convert 200 gold into 40 mana'
17:19:52 Devastator: that's a good rate.
17:47:20 Devastator: dangit, no prequel yet.
17:47:31 Devastator: 5 days for my guess, right?
18:32:56 Devastator: dragon-logic is fun.
18:43:17 Devastator: "Plus, you know, this is Treasure! Treasure is either guarded or it is hidden away. We came here looking for treasure. We found something that isn't only just hidden, but is both hidden and guarded. That must mean it's really special treasure!"
19:20:07 syv: Hmm. Quelaag Hanako. Awesome.
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21:31:17 ER: hey
Devastator, you updating kcom today?
21:31:26 Devastator: Yeah, working on it right now.
21:32:28 Devastator: then it's you and
syv.
21:32:49 Devastator: I'll do the MSes on sunday.
22:09:13 Devastator: Okay, and you last.
22:10:25 Devastator: just due to having the last orders to come in.
22:17:56 Devastator: Also, your extrauniversal R&D thing will be like HA's kaiju dissection annex. You'll have to build one for each lab.
22:18:02 Devastator: you can change it to be a special lab for more time.
22:18:17 Devastator: or just accept that only one lab can be sanctified with the blood of orphans.
22:18:44 ER: for each lab? But it's more of a workshop
22:18:51 ER: what does it have to do with labs?
22:19:47 ER: you said that we couldn't upgrade our labs, so I was going off of that, making it a workshop instead
22:20:20 Devastator: you can't just make a research booster, but you can make stuff that lets you research things that are normally impossible.
22:20:25 Devastator: but yeah, a workshop works too.
22:21:59 Devastator: ok, got it worked out what it can do.
22:22:12 ER: Ah. would a workshop not give me the ability to research related things, though?...
22:22:34 Devastator: No, but in this case it'd let you make stuff without actually having a design, like demonic versions of simple items.
22:22:39 ER: I assumed that our labs were capable of researching anything that's possible to research
22:22:42 Devastator: or demonic versions of stuff you have designs for.
22:22:58 Devastator: Yeah pretty much, but there are some things you can't do directly.
22:23:20 ER: So I *can't* just go ahead and research demon swords?
22:23:38 Devastator: you can research like energy swords or demon swords if you want to call them.
22:23:50 Devastator: but your extrauniversal R&D factility will let you do stuff you can't do normally.
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22:34:15 Devastator: finishing up the turn,
syv.
22:34:26 Devastator: statting out the powers of damnation is pretty tricky.
22:34:32 syv: Can talk Cabal now if you have time after.
22:34:54 Devastator: Just gotta get some qs from
ER, hopefully.
22:35:12 syv: Yesss, he sent me one of the answers.
22:35:33 ER: [18:32] <
Devastator> No more than 25 ish a pop.
22:35:56 ER: Good reason to raid terrorist orgs, though! :D
22:35:58 syv: So we don't even need to grab people? We could just buy platoons and sacrifice them?
22:36:19 ER: I feel like that would make platoons more expensive >.>
22:36:20 Devastator: Platoons don't volunteer for sacrifice.
22:36:22 syv: What's the cost of raiding terrorist orgs? Can I help?
22:36:30 Devastator: so
ER needs to either grab people or find another source of them.
22:36:48 syv: Screw volunteering, what are they gonna do? Fight off the ultracatgirls?
22:37:02 ER: Hmm, if we have second planes we could apply half of our forces to attacking enemy orgs each month
22:37:36 Devastator: You can buy animals to replace people for this application.
22:37:49 Devastator: but I'll get to that when it's closer to being finished.
22:38:04 Devastator: Don't think so, but there's gonna be a cap on how much power you can get from it.
22:38:06 ER: mmm, 8 months for this though
22:38:22 Devastator: a cap that you can reach through an affordable number of animals.
22:38:33 Devastator: This isn't a bit-related thing.
22:38:46 ER: No, I wasn't expecting what I was researching to be *this*, exactly.
22:39:06 ER: might have been a good thing to use bits on, though.
22:39:19 ER: don't need many workshop type buildings
22:39:28 ER: they don't get destroyed usually
22:39:37 syv: Yeah. Can't you add bits to ongoing projects?
22:40:00 ER: guess I could give it the Guts I just researched, then
22:44:06 ER: I can add bits in the second turn of research, right
dev?
22:46:01 syv: Huh. Saeko cast a spell to improve Ekrov's spell to D10, which Dubs just accepted, and it only costed 3 mana.
22:46:15 syv: Should I just assume it worked and he actually does now have d10 end?
22:46:42 ER:
PW didn't put rolls for a few spells that turn
22:46:44 Devastator: yes it worked,
pw rolled fo rit.
22:48:16 ER: Hope I don't fall behind the cabal power curve :V
22:52:03 ER: End seems like a bit of a godstat for casting, in that it can do nearly everything if you're prepared and have mana for it.
22:52:38 syv: I think enchantments are fiddly in that you can cast them both with end and a more relevant stat.
22:52:43 ER: Though you'll still need to roll str or dex in combat, even if you're using enchanted stuff
22:52:52 syv: Since a lot of my scrying is actually enchantments, but uses know.
22:53:13 syv: Just be a batman wizard, and avoid combat or use enchanted items with unaimed effects.
22:53:34 syv: Or be Saeko and just buff everything and have allies to use it.
22:55:07 Devastator: well, if you want another die size increase, Saeko isn't light enough yet.
22:57:30 syv: Nah, d10 is actually a bit more than I expected.
22:57:41 ER: I think an entertaining build would be max End Servant Ascetic.
22:57:41 syv: Wondering if I should drop 70 mana to go to +4.
22:58:13 syv: I don't think he's posted. I really wanted to see if he'd wife the spider. :(
22:58:14 ER: Ascetic works best with high End, and it lets you pick what sort of thing you can enchant into stuff.
22:58:32 ER: I think he did wife the spider
22:58:39 ER: but hasn't posted in a while
23:00:21 Devastator: I meant for Zavi. ;-p
23:00:43 Devastator: you want another die size increase, Saeko's willing to do it for more lightness. One more spell should cover enough for flight.
23:01:08 ER: Alright. I could go for more... any stat, really.
23:01:31 ER: Z's a generalist, I can increase whatever and be more than happy. ;P
23:01:55 ER: are you able to increase the mental stats or only the physical ones?
23:02:15 syv: Ekrov should be able to buff mental stats. Human, d10+4 end.
23:02:40 ER: processing this time got only 1,
syv
23:02:51 ER: so it's possible to roll that low
23:03:18 syv: I bet each bit, or all but one bit, are themselves a random roll.
23:03:34 syv: And that the dissection annex just increases the number of good sides.
23:03:47 syv: I have NO reason to suspect this at all, but I think it's true all the same.
23:04:14 Devastator: can do mental and physical stats.
23:04:51 ER: Well, could you upgrade my Will, and make Zavi into even more of a Will Vortex?
23:05:17 Devastator: Is that d10 already?
23:05:28 syv: You should have her give some blood, say it'll help with the spell.
23:06:08 ER: I *will* have to Sense Motive you on that. :P
23:06:09 Devastator: It might, actually.
23:06:35 Devastator: d8 should be doable though.
23:07:05 ER: i meant it's at d8 currently
23:07:19 syv: But yeah, person you've known for a couple weeks, asking to be made into a demigod that can probably rip your soul out?
23:07:39 syv: Maaaybe you might wanna make sure they can't turn around and, like, rip your soul out?
23:07:53 syv: Oh
ER I got info on what the armor does.
23:08:24 Devastator: I do agree with you, and if you suggest that IC, I'll go for it.
23:08:29 Devastator: so you're suggesting it IC?
23:08:47 syv: I'm unsure whether Ekrov would suggest that IC.
23:09:00 ER: You haven't even asked for more lightness IC, afaik
23:09:16 syv: With the know change he's pragmatic enough to be okay with it, but he trusts Zavi too much to think it'd be necessary for her.
23:09:39 ER: I was thinking "wait, wll spells aren't for ripping out souls"
23:09:53 ER: I totally forgot what ELSE will does!
23:10:15 syv: Huh. And here I was assuming your main reason was for the chan synergy.
23:10:29 ER: BESIDES act as MC resistance, charisma, and a base for puppeting people and creating servants
23:10:30 syv: ...Why do you want high will>
23:10:49 Devastator: it's the 'drain mana out of people' stat.
23:11:05 ER: and the everything else stat
23:11:15 ER: it's almost as everything as End for spells
23:11:53 ER: I convinced
PW to let me use it to summon a small explosion inside someone's head ONCE before he realized that's bad ;P
23:13:14 Devastator: that's an attack spell.
23:13:22 syv: Magic in cabal is broadly just really good.
23:13:39 syv: Know literally allows time prediction.
23:13:56 syv: "Can this kill and or harm me severely if I do it?"
23:14:06 syv: Such a simple spell, yet so ridiculously useful.
23:14:44 syv: "Where is the thingy that I want?" "Where is the bad guy?" "Is this a trap?"
23:14:46 ER: helpful when you live in a world full of magic, where random things probably WILL maim you is applied wrong
23:15:17 syv: Kinda disappointing that this place has given us so much mana it's kinda destroying our build variety.
23:15:43 ER: but muh INFINITE POWAAAAAAA
23:16:11 ER: I'm gonna get fat on this place and then go home so that they can make me even more OP
23:16:57 Devastator: feel free to go home ASAP.
23:17:04 Devastator: I'd even summon you a personal bird for that. ;-p
23:17:37 ER: My mission isn't done till I see you complete yours.
23:19:21 ER: Cabal is rare for me in that the power is creeping, but it still feels tangible.
23:21:55 Devastator: I just want to become the end-boss.
23:22:54 ER: I can be the end boss for the opposite alignment, okay? :D
23:23:06 ER: and then we can merge in the secret ending
23:25:52 ER: and Ek will be the old mage who's seen some shit and learned from his mistakes and mentors the protagonist
23:31:33 syv: Or the very confused protag boy who's confused at there being two godlike hot girls in his life, who fused together, and also never actually hooked up with him.
23:31:46 syv: "Learned from his mistakes"
23:32:03 ER: honestly? Ek's too powerful for protag material.
23:32:09 syv: "Now son, that's why I hit on every woman I see. Just in case she becomes god and I don't have the chance."
23:33:36 ER: protags need to START the story weak, so they can TRAIN to defeat the bad guy
23:33:54 ER: but if S and Z are the final bosses, the story probably hasn't started yet
23:34:36 ER: unless you're pulling a big twist and making these sympathetic characters into cillians partway through
23:34:52 Devastator: "Well, duh, I had to bang her, she became an incorporeal mass of energy."
23:35:44 ER: but then the plot doesn't make very much sense, because what is Ek gathering power for right now? Just to have it, pretty much. Not to defeat anything in particular.
23:36:15 Devastator: "Dude, she became the artificial inelligence running the huge orbital energy cannons. She's all tubes now, totally not hot."
23:36:16 ER: And Ek has low Str. JRPG protags usually have either equal magic and str or more str than magic
23:36:36 Devastator: Yes,
ER, but this time Saeko's not escorting the protag.
23:36:43 Devastator: she has to be the fighter this time around.
23:36:49 Devastator: I was thinking more like this..
23:38:07 syv: And he's gathering power so he can guarantee his own safety experimenting anf studying this stuff.
23:38:29 ER: yeah, which is more mentor-like than hero-like
23:39:03 ER: Ek's the guy who did all the hard work so that he can just hand the protag some sweet power armor
23:42:33 Devastator: I meant tubes like this.
23:46:22 Devastator: God, Yuna, that bastard.
23:46:46 Devastator: Motherfucker always gets away.
23:47:27 Devastator: personal teleportation while always being the second most important target.
23:48:49 syv: (
ER) Ek's the guy who did all the hard work so that he can just hand the protag some sweet power armor
23:49:08 syv: Plus not having much direct combat ability.
23:49:29 ER: he's certainly not going to be a generic JRPG protag
23:49:46 ER: and in my experince, every single JRPG protag forever is generic ;P
23:50:27 Devastator: well, most of them.
23:50:59 Devastator: although I suppose he gets most of his personality in the final act.
23:51:25 Devastator: Maxim's a bit out there too.
23:55:40 syv: I don't recall much of Maxim's personality.
23:55:44 syv: Probably because I named him
syv.
23:56:30 ER: heh, that could be a contributing factor
23:56:54 ER: renaming your characters, but not giving the player control over their characterization
23:56:57 Devastator: he's not super-unique, but he's not quite normal.
23:57:04 ER: so they have to be maximum generic! ;P
23:58:31 syv: I recall him being dumb, mostly.
23:58:33 Devastator: I will admit the music helped with Lufia II.
23:58:35 Devastator: yeah, not a genius.
23:58:43 Devastator: ..despite being a puzzle game protag.
23:58:47 syv: Probably because the dumb moments are when I was most annoyed at him using my namw.
23:59:10 ER: glad that I didn't rename Ark...
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