00:44:46 ER: hey
syv, what's your opinion on the FAMAS? I always thought it looked awesome.
00:45:10 ER: I mean, looking cool and being good are two seperate things, but I sure do like how it looks :P
00:46:57 Devastator: I do give credit for that first comment.
00:47:00 Devastator: "Only a bloody Frenchman would make a rifle with three round burst, but has a magazine capacity that isn't divisible by three."
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01:12:30 syv: I don't like the FAMAS. I haven't watched that video, but I seem to recall hearing somethig about it being a pretty meh rifle? Reliability issues IIRC.
01:12:52 syv: Beyond that, it's kinda ugly and just looks unpleasant to use. Like an F2000 as designed by an orc.
01:14:43 syv: As I recall, the three round burst with a mag size not divisible by three actually had a kind of use; when you get a burst that's short, you're out of ammo and need to reload. Means you know immediately rather than on your *next* burst, if you're inattentive. Though I kinda doubt the actual utility of that in general.
01:15:02 syv: FAMAS is her ugly stepsister.
01:15:49 syv: Note also: a grip on the front.
01:16:29 syv: A sight rail that isn't another dumb carry handle rail.
01:16:50 syv: There's a lot of aesthetic superiorities.
01:16:54 ER: also made me think... should a coilgun rifle be bullpup?
01:17:03 ER: I don't see too many reasons why it shouldn't be
01:17:33 syv: Stock means much much more space for recoil absorption.
01:17:55 syv: And you can't jam a muzzle brake on a magnetic weapon. You're getting the full recoil of the projectile.
01:18:10 syv: Muzzle brakes are *ridiculously* awesome.
01:18:33 ER: I guess recoil would be a big problem, then.
01:19:07 ER: Especially with huge... how much were the bullets used in
ER again? like anti-tank rifle caliber?
01:19:57 ER: Did that thing originally have a strength requirement?
01:20:07 ER: I think it didn't when I joined
01:20:44 syv: I think it might've been like 3 str? Not sure, don't think it was respected.
01:21:10 syv: It had recoil reducers in the stock. I think they may even have been space magic, because what wasn't?
01:22:19 ER: It would be a little odd for the 2 token rifles to have space magic in them
01:22:41 ER: they were supposed to be super cheaply made during the altered wars
01:22:51 syv: Also, 20mm doesn't necessarily mean too much. That's only how wide the bullet is. .50 AE is muuuuch much weaker than .50 BMG, despite both being equally wide, because .50 BMG is much longer... though, that being said, the gauss rifles dealt damage comparable to 20x102mm.
01:23:16 syv: Yeah, but Dubs does weird shit.
01:24:18 ER: How much would bullet length matter with magnets? Hmm, maybe even more than normal because you have more ferromagnetic mass for the coils to pull on?
01:24:33 syv: I think it was an offhanded mention of automanips at some point, like "oh, and they're used for mundane things too sometimes, like there's some in the stocks of gauss rifles to prevent them from breaking your shoulder
01:24:34 ER: the whole bullet is propellant. kinda.
01:25:01 syv: Overall bullet weight would matter, I dunno about how shape would matter.
01:25:24 syv: Heavier bullet = speeds up more slowly = pulled for longer, I'd think.
01:34:38 syv: I wonder how the action would work on a coilgun. Maybe the barrel magnets reciprocate, or something weird like that.
01:35:30 ER: it's sci-fi, let's just build in a little electric motor arm which moves them up~
01:38:49 syv: Mechanical designs are just better.
01:40:56 ER: Just stick a kinamp in the bottom of the magazine so that the bullets shoot up
01:41:05 ER: space magic fix everything lul
01:41:57 ER: for serious, I don't know. Maybe a double action revolver coilgun is practical? :V
01:45:52 syv: I think the simplest way really would be to have the coils be a separate part from the barrel. When the bullet is launched forwards, the magnets are pulled back, and that loads the next bullet by the standard method.
01:46:11 syv: The barrel itself wouldn't reciprocate, like the G11, but its housing would.
01:47:49 ER: You would just need more iron behind the coils than in front of them, which would... already be true I'd think?
01:48:46 ER: though then it might not cycle correctly if there's something magnetic right in front of the barrel.
01:49:17 ER: like trying to shoot a steel wall point blank or something, which feels like something that would happen in the HMRC
01:50:45 ER: would probably work best if the back of the rifle were really heavy, which wouldn't hurt in general what with the heavy recoil
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02:24:18 ER: when I want to start reading a webcomic
02:24:20 Devastator: whoops, just missed him.
02:24:33 ER: but I haven't read any of it so I don't know FOR SURE if I'll like it
02:24:43 ER: like dude just try to am I right
02:24:52 ER: but what if I don't like it man
02:25:15 ER: then where will your BRILLIANT PLAN have gotten us!?
02:27:38 ER: the very forward and back buttons are sparkles, apparently
02:29:28 ER: not sure how much I'll get on with this art style, but eh we'll try it
02:31:31 ER: "who needs strategy meetings? We hit things until they die!"
02:31:47 ER: Yeah, I suppose this will fit with me decently well ;P
02:32:10 Devastator: also, amused at watching it choke a bit on my browser. ;-p
02:32:25 Devastator: non auto-resizing images really didn't do that any favors.
02:33:02 Devastator was hoping for some more from that game from Irony.
02:33:07 ER: I suppose it's designed for a computer and connection which aren't both potatos. Though I will grant it didn't need to be.
02:33:29 ER: I've told him to contenue it multiple times, but no.
02:34:11 Devastator: ask him if he thinks it's worse than k-com that way.
02:34:40 ER: he probably just thinks you're insane like the rest of us do
02:35:01 Devastator: That is not in doubt.
02:36:08 Devastator: I do give credit for naming the stab girl sally.
02:37:17 Devastator: Also, with everyone locked in I can do this.
02:41:50 Devastator: Also also, because I annoyed
syv with a non-answer, I was going to give him a straight answer on a research question to make up for it.
02:42:20 ER: yeah, I'd bet he's sleeping.
02:46:01 Devastator: Sweet jesus, the evil conservative think team anti-trump ads are insane.
04:20:38 Devastator: "You gotta let other people say the mean thigns about you. And then you hit them."
04:43:37 ER: I dunno
dev, you'd have to ask Piecewise__
04:44:10 Devastator:
ER posted the room list in-thread.
04:44:24 Devastator: was just asking if the forge the sparrow spirit pointed out specifically, forge 8, was on the list.
04:44:35 Devastator: Wouldn't mind finding a bird word to add to the one I have.
04:45:53 Piecewise__: "Forge" would likely be the automated production systems
04:46:12 Devastator: yeah, just wondering for that one in particular.
04:46:20 Devastator: only going to have a few turns left to take stuff apart.
04:46:21 ER: Hmm, maybe look there for animal words then
04:51:49 Devastator: I suppose I could live with bird and nothing else, I mean that could be bent to include dinos.
04:52:46 ER: That's bascally what Eclair is.
04:52:57 Devastator: or just be an increasingly large bird.
05:01:33 Devastator: although roc seems more likely.
05:07:32 Devastator: smaller multiplier.
05:23:08 Devastator: and so much stuff to loot.
05:34:32 Devastator: they changed solo in surviv.io a bit, let you choose who you spectate.
05:41:59 ER: ran into one of those in the 50v50 move
05:43:00 ER: was chasing after a medic and ran into a guy who was spinning at abusrd speed, locked onto me and killed me, then returned to spinning the moment I died
05:43:31 Devastator: This wasn't subtle either, perfectly accurate fire and macro shooting.
05:44:21 Devastator: Also, 5 months for your catgirls.
05:46:25 ER: Should have made them even stronger. ;P
05:48:28 Devastator: that'd take longer.
05:48:40 Devastator: I'll give you a bit of feedback in the turn.
05:49:04 Devastator: some bad news, some good news.
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05:49:29 ER: I suppose that I could tweak it to be MOAR STR after first month's report, right?
05:49:49 ER: I was getting ready for like a year or more
05:49:52 Devastator: Yeah, you have one turn to tweak.
05:50:00 Devastator: but you can't tweak this one down due to the kaiju bits.
05:50:31 ER: because I was definately going up
05:53:21 ER: regardless, I still have to give them demon swords
05:54:09 ER: part of why I'm fine with catgirls taking so long was because I was planning on doing various smaller things with the small lab
05:54:46 ER: and I need time to source more kaiju bits before I can actually build catgirls anyways
05:57:24 Devastator: can't tweak down, there were some odd bit-related results.
05:58:00 Devastator: down would lead to some negative numbers and bad math things.
05:58:21 Devastator: I do hope
syv pops by, as I owe him some research-related questions.
06:00:37 Devastator: also some tactical info that should come out now.
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09:55:50 Devastator: Barrels are not cover!
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10:33:07 syv: 01:57:50
syv: Well, goodnight.
10:33:26 syv: I am not currently awake when you're active,
Dev. Just send me a PM.
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17:33:08 Devastator: going to make the research info for
syv public,
ER.
17:37:05 Devastator: You can think of kaiju bits as crystallized bundles of research you can pump into designs to have them finish faster. There are a few fiddly bits and side effects that can put some limits on how many you can use or things each bit can be used for, but if you have a big statstick the side effects are not noticeable. If you have something that does exactly one thing or a mod it might be a...
17:37:07 Devastator: ...little less appropriate, but if you use the right kind of bit there's likely to be no downside.. except that you then need more bits to make the stuff, possibly forever.
17:37:08 Devastator: The HEP lab is a straight-up research booster. It lets you do more at all your labs in the same time. Ironically, although I said it works the same as it does for the mad scientists, that isn't 100% true, because it's a slightly larger numerical bonus for a Mad Science Machine. They do work identically mechanically.
17:37:10 Devastator: Exotic materials are like complex numbers. Where k-bits and HEP labs provide roughly parallel bonuses, exotics provide bonuses on a different axis and aren't directly comparable. This can range from relatively small bonuses to very large bonuses or even stuff that's impossible when translated into normal terms.
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18:47:29 Devastator: that's a good word.
18:48:11 Devastator: reading from the bottom because I suffer from crippling anxeity.
18:48:51 ER: and now I have pretty crazy high will, so I suppose I can just... make people.
19:04:00 Devastator: cloth is really good for my character, though..
19:04:43 Devastator: so did the lighten spell work,
Piecewise__?
19:05:10 Piecewise__: it worked but since its permanent you're not that much lighter
19:05:17 ER: I keep rolling 1 for my mana costs
19:06:10 Devastator: hmm. Have to ask Zavi to do it again.
19:06:21 Devastator: is it enough to fly right now?
19:09:00 Devastator: assuming not soaked.
19:09:55 ER: soaked naked saeko with gigantic bird wings
19:10:13 Devastator: yes, that's the case currently. Had to drop the clothes outside so they didn't get disenchanted.
19:10:16 ER: that's something hard to take my mind's eye off of
19:16:09 ER: ah, lightweight enchants should be easier now, I have human too
19:16:31 Devastator: yeah, but that might wear off if she adds more nonhuman bits.. ;-p
19:16:50 Devastator: so maybe for someone else.
19:18:08 Devastator: Also,
Piecewise__ do the tools look like they have gold wire endpoints like the functional food box, or do they look like they were supposed to run on the freely available global mana that was available in the past?
19:18:28 Devastator: and was the lightweight enough to fly, should she be dried out? I'll need that functionality to try and grab the core.
19:20:15 Devastator: If I don't have it, have to either try to strengthen it or beg zavi for another. ;-p
19:24:49 Piecewise__: They are of the gold wire kind
19:25:21 Piecewise__: You can fly, though going from dead stop on flat ground with no wind is gonna be tough
19:25:34 Piecewise__: you'd be better with wind and a run up
19:25:38 Piecewise__: kind of like a hang glider
19:26:15 Devastator: well, should be mostly good enough. Or I'll add a force word to help a bit.
19:26:21 Devastator: what's the wind goddess look like?
20:08:21 Devastator: ..I also just realized that my forum account is older than "The Ultimate Showdown"
21:41:16 Devastator: so she does good blow jobs?
21:44:12 ER: wait, are you sorry because it's a sex joke or because it's a pun?
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21:45:47 Devastator: need to leave soon, so shoot quickly.
21:45:56 syv: I have literally nothing to say.
21:46:06 syv: I just saw that you were apparently online.
21:49:48 syv: 19:09:55
ER: soaked naked saeko with gigantic bird wings
21:49:48 syv: 19:10:13
Devastator: yes, that's the case currently. Had to drop the clothes outside so they didn't get disenchanted.
21:49:48 syv: 19:10:16
ER: that's something hard to take my mind's eye off of
21:49:55 syv: When did
ER grow a sexuality?
21:52:29 Devastator: because saeko normally wears clothing.
21:52:51 ER: I didn't say that me liking birds was the ONLY consideration,
syv
21:53:17 syv: It was kinda neat thinking I knew an actual asexual
21:53:18 ER: but wet feathers is certainly a big part of that picture
21:53:26 ER: wouldn't be something special without that
21:54:06 syv: Yeah, now you're just the guy that keeps generating game ideas that I love, and which you can't keep alive.
21:54:13 syv: Like an inverse
Piecewise.
22:01:14 ER: so
dev, you gonna make saeko into a sky godess?
22:02:14 Devastator: sounds like an idea, yeah.
22:03:41 syv: Ekrov's probably gonna think she's something like that
22:03:57 syv: Since apparently winged humans do exist as religious icons...
22:04:05 Devastator: not necessary, but eh.
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22:05:14 Devastator: anyway, bye. I'll look at stuff here when I'm back.
22:05:58 ER: if anything, the one with +5 will and the word Human is a goddess~
22:08:33 syv: Yes, but she's muscley and Saeko is cute. And busty.
22:12:21 ER: poor ek will never know the true comfort of a friggin humongous buff waifu
22:16:40 syv: Well, considering
Dev's plans for Saeko...
22:16:54 syv: Eh. He's not gonna end up with anyone regardless.
22:17:44 ER: you know I'm not much of a fan of eternal romantic stasis~
22:18:10 ER: relationships are narratively interesting!
22:18:13 syv: All the more reason to not have him swap his affections~
22:18:56 syv: While it might be interesting to attempt to write the development of such, I imagine it'd just be pain from neither of us being skilled enough to do it well.
22:19:49 syv: Also, there's the more important concern of me being interested in continuing to tinker with
Dev's stuff.
22:20:15 syv: Zavi, dating Zavi would be going on adventures to ounch things that the mage breakers say need punching.
22:20:26 ER: Well, I'm not telling you to have E stay with Z.
22:20:37 ER: She's probably not interested in a scrawny nerd
22:21:40 syv: I was figuring you'd just have her be weird just to allow it.
22:22:50 syv: I should ask Dubs how good the power armor is. If it's not good enough to beat Zavi, then it's flat not good enough. ;P
22:23:14 ER: not as strong as nekobutchers.
22:23:30 ER: Also my Str is going to be going up next.
22:23:48 ER: d10+5 is probably pretty unreasonable.
22:25:37 syv: Power armor should be unreasonable!
22:26:35 ER: It's a big spring vs a very strong person enhanced by 250 mana
22:27:29 syv: Well, I figure I'd need to enchant the power armor suit more.
22:31:58 ER: not sure where I'll take Z, character-wise
22:32:20 syv: Just continue punching things for the mage breakers?
22:32:22 ER: guess we'll see what becoming a breaker is like
22:32:59 ER: I'm sure that I COULD be a pure combat breaker, but they seem to do many many other things
22:34:27 syv: Become concubine of Telcal.
22:34:38 syv: Someone's gotta pop out the daughters of Telcal.
22:34:49 ER: not sure if he's up to that any more
22:35:20 syv: I'm sure d20+5 will can get him up for anything.
22:36:04 syv: Might take a few tries, if "arouse Telcal" is a d100 difficulty, but hey. Doesn't need mana, so you can prolly do it.
22:36:22 ER: who says it doesn't take mana
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23:44:53 Devastator: Eh, Z's probably going to work with punching many things. Plus you might have to go on some long range trip.. maybe to some other region far away.
23:45:57 Devastator: or go to space or something.
23:49:54 ER: maybe I'll get a job to go Sort those fools who assembled the Nuke Staff
23:51:56 Devastator: "But Zavi isn't going to get an enormous waifu" is also a bit of a questionable argument. ;-p
23:59:16 ER: I just hope that Saeko forces him to admit to his feelings eventually ;P
23:59:57 Devastator: she won't have to. I'll upgrade that empathy until it's obvious she knows.
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