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03:26:22 syv: Nothing bad had happened when I left earlier. I had just realized I had about ten-fifteen minutes to pack up my computer and stuff before my relief came.
03:26:56 syv: As for the "
syv is smarter than me, I'll let him figure it out"...
03:26:58 syv: 17:10:13
Piecewise_: I'm assuming
dev is holding the key, by the way
03:27:07 syv: Pretty sure that's the massive hint.
03:27:28 syv: It was mentioned immediately after proving that the bracelet disenchants things.
03:29:26 syv: The normal keys aren't really enchanted objects so much as circuits that can be charged with mana, so they should be unharmed by an antimagic effect. Even if the King's key has a special enchantment, its only use we've found is opening *this* door, so if the field beyond the door breaks it that's no apparent loss, and there's not gonna be another use beyond the field that breaks it.
03:30:07 syv: So the very probable answer is that he specified this because something else would happen if the king's key is held while you interact with the field.
03:30:46 syv: Simple to test; stick an enchanted object inside the field while holding the key. Maybe stick the key through too. If both break, well, the hint was something else.
03:31:31 syv: A more significant question is whether anyone should follow Saeko in. The key will probably keep *her* safe, but whether it'll keep anyone else safe is ambiguous.
03:31:40 syv: Could just spoil it with scrying spells, though.
03:33:35 syv: Admittedly, it does seem a bit dumb to have two layers of defense in a row... which both are deactivated by the same method. The lock can be picked, I suppose, so there is *some* argument, but it's weird regardless.
03:33:46 Devastator: it's would be weird if the kings key gets broken by being taken through the king door.
03:34:12 Devastator: if it was a safety device to ensure the key doesn't get stuck inside the door, it'll just remain behind.
03:34:36 syv: Safety device? What do you mean?
03:35:07 Devastator: so you don't end up with a locked door with the key behind it.
03:35:36 syv: It doesn't really follow with the hint.
03:36:12 Devastator: I don't know what the hint might be. But yeah, could interact with the king's key again.
03:36:37 syv: I'm willing to do a camerabot trick, if you want, but I don't think it'll help.
03:37:19 Devastator: Could also try to stick a gold wire through it and use a view spell on it.
03:37:19 Piecewise_: I'm around for the moment, by the way. So if you have questions I can answer them to a point
03:37:20 syv: Also, I think if you don't confirm that the disenchant field doesn't... y'know, disenchant your stuff, you probably shouldn't carry it in.
03:37:53 syv:
Dev? You wanna ask about key tests?
03:37:54 Devastator: but I think at this point it's time to just go in.
03:38:06 Devastator: well, if we're getting free tests then maybe, yeah.
03:38:13 syv: (
Piecewise_) I'm around for the moment, by the way. So if you have questions I can answer them to a point
03:38:17 Devastator: could try the gold wire thing, but
PW said that would fail.
03:38:24 Devastator: but summoning a magic eye or something.
03:38:25 syv: He's literally right here.
03:38:39 syv: And I literally just said an obvious test that's trivial to perform.
03:39:01 syv: (
syv) Simple to test; stick an enchanted object inside the field while holding the key. Maybe stick the key through too. If both break, well, the hint was something else.
03:39:02 Devastator: test if it doesn't disenchant my stuff?
03:39:29 Devastator: there's the magic spyglass, the popsicle stick, her backpack, and her clothing.
03:40:00 Piecewise_: You could always just make a simple enchanted object
03:40:02 Devastator: right, the drone bit.
03:40:14 Piecewise_: d4 stick of something
03:40:15 syv: The piece of metal that Ekrov enchanted to send texts between them.
03:40:25 syv: But Dubs' suggestion is better.
03:41:27 Devastator: right, forgot to list that.
03:41:32 Devastator: gotta add that to charsheet.
03:41:40 Devastator: that's important, too, hard to make.
03:42:02 Devastator: ok, I'll take a bit of non-gold precious metal, like silver, and d4 bird it to make a bird sculpture.
03:42:42 Piecewise_: so you want to stick it in with one hand while holding the key in the other? Or some other arrangement?
03:44:59 Devastator: it's silly, though, because her outfit includes gloves.
03:45:02 Devastator: which are also enchanted.
03:45:18 syv: I mean you can take off gloves.
03:45:38 syv: They're not melted to your skin, yet.
03:47:05 Piecewise_: We'll assume you do so
03:47:52 Piecewise_: In that case you stick the bird statue in and not only does it come back out without being unenchanted, but you can actually see your hand in the darkness, as though it is surrounded in a sort of bubble of ambient light.
03:48:18 Devastator: I'll go with the orders as stated. If I need help getting something, I'll come back.
03:49:03 Devastator: ..Fine, I'll bring it.
03:50:50 syv: It's amusing. My reaction to this wall, even having figured out the hint, would probably have been to test it for a couple turns at least. Just to be sure.
03:51:08 syv:
Dev's immediate reaction is to just stick his dick in it.
03:51:09 Devastator: It'd be the height of idiocity for the king door to hurt the king.
03:51:28 Devastator: There are risks, like 'what if there's a vacuum' or 'what if it's underwtaer' or 'what if it's radioactive.'
03:51:52 syv: The key can be faked, and can be stolen.
03:52:09 syv: It does make sense to have more lines of defense that require knowledge. Something you have, something you know.
03:53:16 syv: And considering the apparent danger of this place, having the "know" be "if you do this wrong you get killed" isn't unreasonable.
03:53:18 Devastator: I could see 'are you magical' or some other two factor.
03:53:28 Devastator: but if there was two factor, wouldn't it have came up with our scrying?
03:53:45 syv: Additionally, just because only the king can unlock the door doesn't mean that the king is meant to enter.
03:54:06 Devastator: hence 'it might have a dangerous environment' or something.
03:54:27 syv: It does make sense, say, to require a high level of authorization to get close to a nuclear reactor. But you'd probably want the actual guy going in to be rather disposable.
03:54:31 Piecewise_: The worst part is when the key gets lost and the king has get a new one sent to his email and then reset it. Ugh.
03:55:07 syv: Hence, even knowing this, my instinct is "okay, figure out what I'm missing. Cast spells, look for the less obvious traps."
03:55:20 Devastator: yeah, but we could do it forever.
03:55:26 Devastator: there's like 800 ways to kill someone with magic.
03:55:38 Devastator: and we can't even verifiably eliminate one of them.
03:55:52 Devastator: so.. just going to go in and get it done with.
03:56:04 syv: I can pretty easily cast a human-based "will this kill me?" :P
03:56:14 syv: But yeah. I'm not saying you
03:56:22 syv: 're wrong. I just find it amusing.
03:56:56 Devastator: "Will this kill me?"
03:57:06 Devastator: "Will this kill me?"
03:57:39 syv: Ekrov wants to cast a scry spell "Will Saeko be heavily injured or killed if she just marches in there with the key?"
03:58:12 syv: Using human as the focus, and I guess maybe animate since that's loosely tied to life.
03:59:18 Piecewise_: -11 mana. "Don't count on it"
04:00:05 Piecewise_: well...in that very specific circumstance, yes
04:01:10 Devastator: sounds like a good idea, then.
04:01:18 Devastator: eh, she's pretty tough.
04:01:30 syv: Amusingly, the paranoid side of my brain is saying I should verify that I didn't just get a null result due to the magical blocking field.
04:01:38 syv: But yeah, that side will *never* shut up.
04:01:59 Devastator: and if she dies, maybe I can play her animated painting-self.
04:02:39 Devastator: don't count on her getting heavily injured or killed from marching in there with the key.
04:02:40 Piecewise_: Turns out that big third eye is just a magic 8ball
04:02:48 Piecewise_: Rattle
Sy's head to tell the future
04:04:11 Devastator: also, no worries about melding with her armour. At least not until stage 5. ;-p
04:05:09 GameServ:
syv rolled 3d6: 5 2 1 <Total: 8>
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04:05:46 mode/#einsteinianroulette [+v parisbre56[Away]] by ChanServ!chanserv@services.darkmyst.org
04:05:55 mode/#einsteinianroulette [+v syv] by ChanServ!chanserv@services.darkmyst.org
04:06:30 GameServ:
Devastator rolled 3d6: 4 3 4 <Total: 11>
04:06:42 GameServ: Result: [-][+][ ][ ][-][-][-][-][ ][-]
04:09:02 GameServ: Result: [ ][+][+][-][-][-][ ][+][-][-]
04:09:26 syv: DF rolls 1d3 with the sides positive, negative, null.
04:10:24 Devastator: and you got three [-] to kick it off.
04:10:31 GameServ:
Devastator rolled 3d6: 2 4 1 <Total: 7>
04:12:06 GameServ:
Devastator rolled 3d6: 6 1 6 <Total: 13>
04:12:08 GameServ:
Devastator rolled 3d6: 4 6 3 <Total: 13>
04:12:10 GameServ:
Devastator rolled 3d6: 4 4 4 <Total: 12>
04:12:11 GameServ:
Devastator rolled 3d6: 2 5 3 <Total: 10>
04:12:13 GameServ:
Devastator rolled 3d6: 1 5 3 <Total: 9>
04:12:14 GameServ:
Devastator rolled 3d6: 2 4 4 <Total: 10>
04:12:41 Devastator: so 13 str, 13 dex, 12 con, 10 int, 9 wis, 10 cha.
04:15:20 syv: Good enough for fighter college.
04:15:46 syv: But you may want to stick to barbarian high.
04:16:00 Devastator: yeah, those are.. very good stats for freaking straight 3d6 in order.
04:16:08 Devastator: but low according to normal PC rules.
04:16:48 syv: Not sure I'd call just a bit above average "very good".
04:17:14 syv: Nice, not great. Especially considering you didn't get any caster stats.
04:17:27 mode/#einsteinianroulette [-v syv] by ChanServ!chanserv@services.darkmyst.org
04:17:44 syv: `devoice
parisbre56[Away] devastator
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04:18:12 syv: In my app it's represented like this: (+syv) `devoice
syv
04:19:56 syv: WHY can I ask it to solve an equation five times?
04:21:41 syv: And it's worse than google anyway.
04:23:47 GameServ: Some names to ponder: Yaslin, Urtarginemel, Napganttyne, Aldaurreth, Lablocgaynquent, Sarir, Urdothert, Ryienal, Korretharikris, Synanartyn, Vabartynelene, Wyastyastar, Sepiensume, Rogaryarny, Nevgine, Norert, Caantrisar, Varzane, Pesentaky, Teror.
04:24:08 syv: Okay, I could see that actually being useful.
04:24:10 GameServ: Some names to ponder: Rois, Jastaurarynian, Forsenegaryeth, Harlennalen, Darfynlalin, Dirgantenene, Raldrethanerry, Yalsenecath, Odastunyquinesume, Chiessenearryim, Kilanegary, Yasastareasluth, Klabrotinnyd, Cyndor, Uldaynartharry, Haboller, Tocronun, Dainendaryneern, Alvarn, Kasteaderryert.
04:24:11 GameServ: Some names to ponder: Melta.
04:24:22 GameServ: Some names to ponder: Ryastyin, Moldvarnarik, Horyartheth, Bayheniam, Verdalleryn, Carienarn, Plagrathlirquent, Vardalleriam, Asaian, Kopcuthcodda, Kuvyddtunyer, Lasliniensa, Staralenarth, Dezert, Yalidaney, Kolnal, Synvalerer, Roereerro, Vadluth, Pararynimeene.
04:24:25 Devastator: other than the obsession with the letter y.
04:25:22 Devastator: "Plagrathlirquent, sir."
04:26:02 syv: No, no, it's someone from Asaia.
04:28:13 Devastator: Some of that stuff looks like names for Numenorians, except for the lack of accents.
04:29:47 syv: The beautiful thing is that the name probably *was* completely random.
04:29:59 syv: Wonder if it has a dictionary to ensure it doesn't suggest actual words.
04:30:11 Devastator: some markov thingy, I'unno.
04:31:35 syv: Might just be straight random with weighting. "Kuvyddtunyer" has "ddt" in the middle, and I don't see any way to pronounce that.
04:32:51 Devastator: that might just be a merger. First block ends with a d, next block starts with a d.
04:32:58 Devastator: Or that's pronounced Albin.
04:33:59 syv: But in either case the block has to have an unpronouncable pair. "Vydd" or "dtun". Maybe it just doubled the d for style?
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04:37:54 MidJag: Yes. I mean we mostly come out at night/
04:40:08 Devastator: had a cougar walk through my yard.
04:40:12 Devastator: right next to my door, too.
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04:41:57 syv: Maybe I'm just weird for being hostile to predators, due to having lots of pets, but my first reaction to a cougar walking through my yard would be to grab a gun.
04:42:17 Devastator: it only did that because I don't currently have a pet.
04:43:19 syv: Should I mail you a kitten?
04:43:42 Devastator: I'll get a kitten at some point.
04:44:53 Devastator: ..how many kittens do you have at this moment?
04:47:51 syv: One pure white female, two grays with white on their toes and noses (one f one m), one female with messy grayish brownish fur with a pattern I don't know a name for.
04:48:44 syv: White's name is Ripley, gray male is Chunk, the other two are as yet unnamed. I think Mindy was tossed around for the messy one.
04:50:15 Devastator: do I have to promise to not name one 'cat'?
04:51:07 syv: I don't care what people name cats. I name my own largely to keep track of lineage and have memorable references.
04:51:34 syv: I was joking about shipping a kitten, but if you're actually interested I'll look into it.
04:52:05 syv: Seems a *little* cruel, tbh.
04:52:10 Devastator: I'd buy it locally or have it hand-delievered.
04:52:16 Devastator: and I wouldn't name a cat cat.
04:52:37 MidJag: I would tottally name a cat cat. It's the only way I would rember it's name~
04:52:37 Devastator: But really, I'd go and get it. That's more likely.
04:54:00 syv: They are quite friendly little kittens, though the messy one is skittish. They've also got maine coon blood, so big and fluffy. Ah, and they're polydactyl.
04:54:31 syv: Could prolly sell them for a nice sum actually. I'm not particularly interested in that though.
04:54:35 MidJag: Some part of me wants to get on just because of the genetics.
04:55:08 syv: I have offered you cat repeatedly, and that offer will be maintained as long as I have cats to give.
04:56:24 syv: I don't expect these ones to be particularly aloof, though. Both their parents are deeply attached to people, and they already chase humans down whenever they see a person.
04:56:47 syv: These ones are the kind of cats that will cry if left alone for a long time.
04:57:16 Devastator: mmm, that may be too attached for me.
04:57:23 Devastator: I do work, after all.
04:57:37 Devastator: and I don't want a pet that'll be crying when I come back home, or if I spend an evening out.
04:59:41 syv: I don't particularly expect either of you to want one, and it's an annoyance to travel anyway.
04:59:57 Devastator: I do want one, but not enough to send it across the country.
04:59:59 syv:
MJ, I might be able to bring a cat directly.
05:00:22 syv: You though
Dev, I would not be able to guarantee having the time off to drive or travel right now.
05:00:33 Devastator: also like two weeks.
05:01:35 syv: Two weeks off isn't usually an issue for me, though it is right now because of pandemic, yeah.
05:02:44 MidJag: Heh, I will likelly not have the time or maturity to watch a cat for quite some time.
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05:04:25 syv:
MidJag has clearly never owned a cat.
05:08:17 syv: Also, if he has insufficient time *and* maturity, he somehow has less time than a particularly overworked doctor while being less mature than your average twelve year old.
05:08:27 syv: And that's being charitable to him...
05:09:05 Devastator: mmm, yeah, most 12 year olds can watch cats just fine.
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05:22:16 syv: (
syv)
MidJag has clearly never owned a cat.
05:22:16 syv: (
syv) Also, if he has insufficient time *and* maturity, he somehow has less time than a particularly overworked doctor while being less mature than your average twelve year old.
05:22:16 syv: (
syv) And that's being charitable to him...
05:23:46 MidJag: I mean. Those two things are probably not entierlly inaccurate~
05:25:10 syv: No, you definitely have enough time.
05:26:06 syv: I suspect you have enough maturity as well, considering you don't take tests while shitfaced.
05:30:29 MidJag: Eh, I have to remind myself to eat. I am not the best at orgnization or remembering to take care of things.
05:37:06 Devastator: ..Aren't cats like really, really good at reminding people about food?
05:37:30 syv: Cats will not let you forget to feed them. Like, I've gone without eating for an entire day, and I can 100% say that it is easier than not realizing the cat wants food.
05:38:37 syv: Also, while it's not really great ownership, it's not a big problem to not feed a cat for a day. They can do perfectly fine gorging themselves every other day or so. It's arguably healthier than the standard many people do of leaving out food constantly.
05:39:14 Devastator: both cats treated it very differently.
05:39:40 Devastator: One cat got really fat, and the other would almost starve unless it had me to watch his back.
05:40:00 syv: I suspect the latter had some trauma.
05:40:30 syv: I have *never* known a cat to act like that. At most some rescues will refuse to eat unless they're alone.
05:40:49 Devastator: That was the one that showed up after being abandoned.
05:44:28 syv: Aside from feeding, and keeping some water out--which again, requires very little attention if you get some kind of water jug dish--there's cleaning the litter box. Which if you forget will become obvious if you possess a nose.
05:45:17 syv: It's also not really a daily thing with one cat, and you can also have multiple litter boxes if you cannot do a chore more than once a week.
05:46:35 syv: I suspect you could supply enough boxes to make it a monthly chore if you possess a psychotic hatred of chores.
05:46:58 syv: Though at that point, yeah, I'd be reluctant to entrust a kitten to you.
05:48:31 syv: But yeah. "I do not have the time or maturity to take care of a cat" is a gross lie. Just say "I don't want to have a pet". I'll probably tease you about it, but I understand that not everyone wants pets.
05:49:03 Devastator: mmm, not the right living environment either, really.
05:52:03 MidJag: Eh, it's not that I dont want a pet, it's just that I don't have the living situtation to adequetlly care for one.
05:53:13 syv: I'm not going to disagree, but I don't think it's because you couldn't take care of it. It's because you'd never be around and it'd be lonely.
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16:51:33 ER:
Devastator, I'm going to have to ask you to let me into the king door with you.
16:51:53 ER: Just toss the key back through once you've passed, though should work.
16:55:02 GameServ:
ER rolled 3d6: 3 1 6 <Total: 10>
18:04:45 ER: put a bowl of water on the end of a pole, put it through the portal, and hold it there for a minute or two.
18:05:43 Piecewise_: then just bring it back?
18:06:13 Piecewise_: ok, assuming it doesn't get shoved back and you drop it, it would just look like normal water
18:06:39 ER: if it were vaccum in there, it would boiled off, I think.
18:06:47 ER: ergo, there is an atmophere
18:20:11 ER: How much gold wire so we have? Could I make a tube of it?
Piecewise_
18:20:23 Piecewise_: depends on the size of the tube
18:20:29 Piecewise_: You don't have a ton
18:20:38 ER: big enough to look through?
18:21:03 Piecewise_: yeah, but how long do you want it to be
18:21:38 ER: Doesn't have to be long at all, just long enough that one end is inside and the other is outside.
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18:21:48 ER: Saeko stuck her bare hands in there, right?
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18:22:11 ER: I'll borrow the key and hold that along with the tube
18:27:10 Piecewise_: basically gold wire won't let you see in there
18:29:57 ER: Sae had better let me go in there with her.
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