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00:51:09 Devastator: Yeah, it's a little extreme for Katia.
00:51:16 Devastator: but there might be more failure for her in the future.
00:52:06 Devastator: was hoping that forum PM was from whisperling..
00:52:11 Devastator: but I guess RL caught up with his PM game.
00:52:18 Devastator: shame, didn't get to do even one arena fight.
00:52:24 Devastator: I like getting PMs.
00:52:47 Devastator: Right, forgot the metal plates.
00:52:56 Devastator: no, it wouldn't make sense for them to be spiky if it's metal plates.
00:53:12 syv: As for Katia: Yes, she might not be the champion of Cyrodiil, but the extreme intelligence points in that direction, and generally I view things which point in that direction to be somewhat more negative.
00:54:33 Devastator: Yes, I'm sympathetic towards that point of view.
00:54:41 Devastator: I'm hoping she isn't, myself.
00:56:54 Devastator: Super int, IMO, might be there for maximum mana pool size purposes.
00:57:04 Devastator: There's something going on with that.
00:57:06 syv: I can't make myself believe that there's any chance she *isn't*, tbh.
00:57:17 syv: Still would rather not, but I believe it's the only option.
00:58:14 Devastator: She could be used as a ritual object to kick off the cataclysm.
00:58:20 Devastator: or be a participant in it.
01:00:16 syv: I mean, just going on a literalist point of view, next update a bandit could walk up to her and stab her through the eye, and then drop her and leave her to die.
01:00:42 syv: There is nothing preventing Kazerad from doing that, aside from the fact that he has too many diehard fans that can find where he lives.
01:00:56 Devastator: Man, that might do it.
01:01:00 syv: No, she's the Oblivion protag.
01:01:18 Devastator: It does seem more likely than not to me.
01:01:32 Devastator: but I wouldn't guarantee it like I did some of my Rothfuss predictions.
01:02:53 Devastator: besides, it won't get resolved.
01:03:00 Devastator: we'll get like 15 updates over the next ten years. ;-p
01:04:06 syv: Heh, a very unusual application of Death of the Author. "Does Prequel's story structure mean Katia is the Oblivion protag? No, Kaz will die of old age before that can happen."
01:06:13 Devastator: Gotta ask you about PS, I'm afraid.
01:06:34 syv: Not right now, Synthetik run. I'll do it after I die.
01:07:33 Devastator: going to finish eating and then fly.
01:07:34 syv: This one's good. I have an RPG that I only just came up with a use for (enemies bunch on the exit teleporter after you touch it, rockets can explode offscreen), a heavily upgraded cursed AA12 which I no longer have any curse from, and 56 base dodge.
01:07:55 syv: Also, two smoke grenades, because I realized you can dupe items and perks.
01:10:09 Devastator: dang, bunch of times that would have been good.
01:10:24 Devastator: got a divine blade launcher once.
01:10:30 Devastator: double up on that would have been something.
01:10:50 syv: Yeah. Right click on items/perks to turn them into random modules (which is also good). Then just change them to a copy of the other item/perk.
01:10:56 syv: Oh, it only works with starting stuff.
01:11:59 syv: Yeah, a dupe for any equipped items would be completely insane. With assassin, that would allow *permanent* invis.
01:13:58 Devastator: Yeah, someone might murder Kazerad.
01:15:11 syv: Welp, actually killed the armored transport for the first time. :|
01:15:27 Devastator: never done that myself.
01:15:40 Devastator: got it down to about 1/3 in a game yesterday.
01:16:11 syv: Full auto massively buffed AA12 with lots of ammo, huge mobility, and a doubleshot RPG to swap when heat got high.
01:16:26 syv: I still only barely managed it, it was maybe 5% away from finishing.
01:17:53 Devastator: I would have killed it in that game if I hadn't fucked up and made my pistol burst-fire instead of the plasma explosion launcher.
01:18:06 Devastator: 5-shot burst on that thing? Sign me up!
01:19:12 syv: Err, the AA12 is eight-shot. 16 ammo.
01:20:03 syv: It's massive overkill on virtually everything that isn't a boss, so far. Mooks die in one short range blast, I've yet to find a non boss who survives to the eighth blast, unless it's distant or behind a crowd.
01:21:16 syv: I was hoping for a semiauto conversion, but wasn't so lucky. I did score the cooldown reducer, though, which is prolly better with this build.
01:29:44 Devastator: that's a pretty insane weapon.
01:29:49 Devastator: no wonder you killed the transporter.
01:30:22 Devastator: and I meant I had a mod kit that rolled the burst conversion, and I thought I was upgrading my plasma explosion cannon.
01:30:55 syv: It also seems to have a weak heal-on-kill effect, which applies to ALL kills. At least, I don't have anything else which should be providing that, and it has a unique "Fighting the World" perk with the regen symbol next to it.
01:37:18 syv: Yuuup, Arena masters after L3 took two mags, and that was only because I missed most of a burst on one of them. Also, it's up to 22 ammo after max upgrades.
01:46:55 Devastator: Well, that's a new one.
01:48:28 ER: I wrote the parts of it which will have no impact whatsoever
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02:20:52 ER: hey
syv, have you read up on Unsounded yet? :P
02:23:06 syv: I just beat the final boss.
02:23:28 syv: Three mags, I think? I stopped after the second and just ran around because the gun overheated.
02:23:32 ER: how do I describe a character yelling btw
02:23:34 syv: Also, recorded it, because why not.
02:23:52 syv: "Shouts angrily", and use an exclamation mark after their speech.
02:24:32 ER: Hmm, is fork shouting for help angrilly?
02:25:12 ER: Perhaps I can't milk this for much description because this character is a total blank slate. :V
02:28:05 syv: Not really a good job, tbh. I had 96% dodge chance when smoking, and invis that last longer than the two smoke cooldowns, and a gun that reduces cooldowns.
02:28:25 syv: Which also is full auto with fast reloads despite a single shot killing nearly anything.
02:28:51 Devastator: so an auto-win, then.
02:29:23 syv: Yes. Though the dodge chance thing was very much planned, and was actually much worss than I should've been.
02:29:51 syv: I got a SINGLE dodge+ upgrade throughout the entire run, and only three random body upgrades in total.
02:30:22 Devastator: mmm, so assassins are always auto-wins, then?
02:32:20 syv: If specced like this, yes, the closest thing to it that I've found.
02:32:21 syv: Though I got an extra +10% dodge from the dodge boost being a random "favored" perk.
02:32:52 Devastator: another reason to not level, then.
02:33:49 syv: Yeah, you can actually have some agency if you level. It's just terrible. Gambling is the one true route.
02:34:43 syv: I also did get very lucky with finding an AA12. I think the actual final boss might've been able to kill me anyway by ignoring cloak, not sure.
02:35:10 Devastator: don't you adore DS, king of the phrase 'git good?'
02:35:42 syv: Yeah, but the last boss is just a DPS race. Hell, some of the early bosses are DPS races.
02:36:37 Devastator: you can dodge nearly all the attacks of the first two bosses.
02:36:45 Devastator: the arena masters are harder.
02:36:56 Devastator: you can dodge blobbo too, it's easy.
02:36:58 syv: The cube also has random shooting.
02:37:01 Devastator: yeah, you can dodge fighter jet forever.
02:37:10 Devastator: cube's shooting isn't actually random. I figured it out.
02:37:11 syv: Blobbo needs speed upgrades, actually.
02:37:22 Devastator: nah, base speed raider can stay out of reach easy.
02:37:33 Devastator: you kill the mook makers and last forever. It's trivial when you fight it right.
02:37:52 syv: Ahh, that's a point. Raider gets *two* dodges.
02:38:15 syv: Also, seriously? You can dodge fighter jet forever? How>
02:39:10 syv: And then you hit the wall. And then you have to walk across its line of fire.
02:39:13 Devastator: you dodge when an airstrike hits.
02:39:32 syv: Yes, and it doesn't stop shooting the chin guns.
02:39:41 Devastator: you can usually cross over, the jet stops shooting long enough. Besides, you take one hit at worse, which doesn't slow you down, and won't break shields.
02:39:50 Devastator: or you can dash through them.
02:40:12 syv: ...Do you play with lightning start?
02:40:16 Devastator: Yeah, it's easy, just sideways, dodge airstrikes, and don't get tooo close.
02:40:23 Devastator: it's an unlockable.
02:41:49 Devastator: it is easier once you kill the add-on guns, but not required, and they're pretty weak.
02:42:36 syv: Yeah, I always play with it. Frankly I doubt the fighter jet is as easy as you describe regardless, but I have *never* been able to cross its line of fire without taking health damage.
02:42:37 syv: I can only do that if I've gotten a good DPS gun, which really isn't guaranteed by level 1o.
02:44:19 Devastator: well, I could stream a few games and maybe it'll come up.
02:44:28 Devastator: looks like not enough peeps for matches, so I'm free.
02:45:21 syv: Yeah, sure. Procrastination yay. And I'm talking with
MJ now, so not gonna write until that's done.
02:46:33 syv: No.
Dev's being a bragging dick, so I want to see him try to own it.
02:47:53 syv: It's much more satisfying to see him fail, though.
02:48:13 Devastator: I'm always a bragging dick.
02:48:32 syv: Oh, you definitely vary in degree.
02:48:49 syv: But yeah, it's one of the things that makes you so fun.
03:01:54 syv: There's an entrance to the bottom left, a destructible crate
03:02:26 syv: There's ALWAYS a chest in the right side of that area, hidden behind one of the... elecrric thingies
03:03:22 syv: Maybe it always has body upgrades, I don't recall getting anything else.
03:04:01 Devastator: there I took a little bit with the homers and the gun thing.
03:04:04 syv: I mean, cube is still a boss.
03:04:38 syv: Random firing, random shots. Not really all that much damage, anything even half decent will do.
03:04:50 syv: I bet you could kill it with an upgraded pistol.
03:05:15 Devastator: but it's not random.
03:05:24 Devastator: lasers come out of the faces, homers out of the vertices.
03:06:01 syv: And which faces and vertices, and which shots it fires, are random, along with its rotation.
03:06:36 syv: It's very random. It's never impossible to deal with, but it's extremely random.
03:06:36 Devastator: yeah, but you can dodge that just by never lining up with either.
03:07:28 syv: While avoiding artillery, and missiles, and spawns, and running away.
03:07:40 syv: Sometimes that will be trivial. Sometimes, no, no, that is really fucking hard.
03:08:01 syv: ...As you showed by *nearly dying* on the *weak* version of the boss, with a *good* gun.
03:17:58 syv: ...Did you die to the APC????
03:18:24 syv: The stream cut off while you were just starting to fight, then resumed on the death screen.
03:18:48 Devastator: yeah, died to the APC. Wasn't paying attention.
03:18:53 Devastator: was hoping it'd be the jet, anyway.
03:18:59 Devastator: switched to the no-ammo weapon.
03:19:52 syv: Yes, great job. Very convincing argument in favor of the game not being at all luck based; you can die to the easiest boss even when being very skilled.
03:19:59 syv: Beep me if you reach plane.
03:20:36 Devastator: I dont' get why getting killed for fucking up makes it luck-based.
03:20:41 Devastator: that's what it not being luck-based means.
03:21:42 syv: It's about the game being extremely random. It can be relatively easy, or massively difficult, by pure chance.
03:22:10 Devastator: said the guy who had a 100% immunity build.
03:22:13 syv: Very, very few things are completely dependant on luck, to the point you can just be entirely blocked from winning no matter your skill.
03:22:29 syv: ...But Synthetik is very random.
03:23:09 syv: Yes,
Dev. I like to break games. Nothing new. Just because the game has exploits doesn't mean it's fair.
03:24:17 Devastator: "infinity drill piece"
03:25:44 Piecewise_: I went through 5 levels with a starting pistol once because it didn't give me any damn guns
03:25:52 syv: Unless you just don't know what it is, I guess.
03:26:14 syv: Yeah. The starting pistols are decent, but it's very luck dependant whether you get anything decent.
03:26:42 syv: I once had a run where I got NOTHING but slower snipers. Which I like, because snipers, but isn't good because they have poor boss DPS.
03:27:02 Piecewise_: Or when you have to do that hacking boss
03:27:53 syv: That one can kinda be cheesed by luring enemies around and kiting them. I think there's a spawn cap, and they mostly charge the center, so you can kinda break it by just being super cowardly.
03:28:26 syv: ...Which is another negative point IMO. "Oh, this isn't random, you can exploit/cheese to win no matter how much it fucks you over."
03:37:02 Devastator: "you know what sucks? The game is way too random, you can get totally screwed."
03:37:13 Devastator: "You know what else sucks? If you play the right way, you can always win."
03:37:57 Devastator: Fuck, didn't see that tank lining up the shot.
03:42:58 Piecewise_: Snipers can call in artillery eh?
03:43:25 Devastator: what's a PSG Emerald Sword?
03:44:13 syv: Sigh. High luck I tend to dislike. Exploits, I don't tend to dislike, but see as a game flaw--I deeply enjoy
Aigre's games, because they're made of nothing *but* exploits, but they're objectively bad games by most measures.
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03:45:03 syv: I don't think I've actually said Synthetik is *bad*. I've said it has a bunch of traits I don't like. High luck. Luck based missions that you can subvert by exploits.
03:45:36 Devastator: so is the PSG any good?
03:45:44 Devastator: it's also offering a 2k cost 'ion obliterator'
03:46:45 Devastator: oh, it's the shitty plasma shotgun.
03:49:38 syv: I forget whether the PSG is good. I think I used it extensively on one run, forget.
03:53:44 Devastator: ooh, the road warrior
03:53:46 Devastator: now that's a shotty.
04:03:45 syv: One more Synthetik thing I dislike: The constant lack of explanation for so many things. Pick up a gun. It tells you it has traits... and says little or nothing about what they mean, and often provides no good ways to find out. Not a huge problem, but it's something *I* care about, as a person who often finds mechanics more interesting than the games they're from.
04:03:49 Devastator: killed the transport.
04:08:46 Devastator: well, I can afford that..
04:09:15 syv: Snipers are generally bad, aside from the crossbow.
04:09:29 Devastator: "exponental ultra-piercing."
04:09:49 Piecewise_: Can't you mouse over things to get it to tell you what it does
sy?
04:10:08 Devastator: hits for 7000 damage.
04:27:25 Devastator: shit, got inconscious and attacked from the wrong direction on the final level before the end boss.
04:27:49 Devastator: And I knew I was making a mistake while doing it.
04:29:24 Devastator: never got any extra max health and was stuck at 750. It worked out until I got stupid.
04:29:50 syv: Curious, how do you deal with the blurry white immunity guys?
04:32:55 Devastator: you shoot them when they're vulnerable.
04:33:46 syv: Ah. Yeah, I dislike waiting for their reloads, I tend to lure them to corners and stab them repeatedly.
04:34:03 syv: Which, honestly, is how I tend to deal with most military base enemies, unless I have a really good and efficient gun.
04:34:12 Devastator: anyway, rolling for Sh now.
04:35:53 Devastator: You have better than even odds of not dying here.
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04:45:29 syv: Which is like regular lazy, but I have a cape.
05:09:59 Devastator: do note that reporting a crime is gonna take an action.
05:49:14 Devastator: "I'm on tha balcony 'cause it be tea time."
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07:49:05 Devastator: Tarquin's a good character.
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17:21:11 Devastator: not that much, I'm afraid.
17:22:15 Devastator: ahh, Roy motherfucking Greenhikt.
17:58:48 Devastator: You know, that joke V made about Belkar only being capable of hate or lust still remains true. ;-p
18:03:42 er: Not that much lust, either.
18:10:31 Devastator: but hey, sexy shoeless god of war.
18:16:38 Devastator: eh,
syv implied one would come eventually.
18:19:23 Devastator: 'gritty cyberpunk talking animals'
18:34:20 Devastator: You know, that was Durkon's only weapon change for the entire comic.
18:38:48 er: When you use one thing for too long and forget you get multiple proficiencies.
18:49:59 Devastator: well, could try to finish up Terranigma..
18:54:11 Devastator: actually, I think
syv found a good phone emulation app once.
18:56:21 er: Yeah, but I wouldn't have my save
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19:37:33 er: I have part of a post for my SG written on my laptop, which is at home.
19:37:57 er: But the wifi at home probably still doesn't work.
19:38:28 er: So I can... go finish it, but not post it?
19:39:03 er: I could also go play terranigma but not stream or discuss it :p
20:06:47 Devastator: Hmm, monastic order.
20:06:50 Devastator: that might adjust things a bit.
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22:10:13 Devastator: any particular kind of dojo?
22:12:53 er: I'm not the inner among about that...
22:18:13 Devastator: eh, I'll just roll up on then.
22:22:36 Devastator: yeah, though, mostly want any desired dojo-related details. ;-p
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