00:52:26 ER: "Did you really pick up the flowers?" "Of course not, Gaius, I'm a *Mage*. I set them on fire."
01:26:45 ER: still appreicate how prequel has an entire page deticated to calling you rude~
01:29:09 Devastator: and now you know why I don't like letting my identities cross-pollinate.
02:01:04 ER: (NO KHAJIIT except me and Rajirra)
03:06:55 ER: "sometimes the easiest method you know is the hardest method there is."
04:25:24 Devastator: Whisperling doing anything?
04:26:55 ER: I'm glad that Katia doesn't have a health bar in this minigame or she would be fucking dead
04:29:08 Devastator: the key is to move slowly. There's a few at fixed locations, but most are aimed at you.
04:29:10 Devastator: and yes, they're a pain.
04:29:43 ER: gotta dash around like a madman
04:32:05 Devastator: the theoretical minimum is just over 100 seconds.
04:32:17 Devastator: you need 104 or less to get the prize.
04:34:03 ER: rest of the soundtrack too, to varying degrees
04:40:55 ER: "The only solace you receive from this action is the knowledge that you very briefly dismissed it as stupid before doing it anyway."
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04:43:38 Devastator: I am curious in how
syv would describe MCing another MG..
04:44:15 syv: The segment with aggy, especially after he summons snow, is my favorite part of prequel.
04:44:45 syv: Honestly prolly one of my favorite parts of any fiction, I've reread it many times and it's always great.
04:45:09 ER: ...my favorite part might actually be the rock-bottom after sigrid steals everything, *because* I know that things only get better for katia after that
04:45:46 ER: and because everything on fire. :D
04:46:23 syv: Oh, and my favorite spotted name is Armok talking about luck. Though yes,
Dev getting an entire update just to call him rude is easily #2.
04:46:33 ER: Would MCing a player character result in more fucky narration at tier 3, or the same?
04:46:41 syv: Katia is no Shura! The players are Shura.
04:47:18 ER: like everything Aggy says? :P
04:47:55 ER: oh, and remind me that if I should get in a tight spot in PS, which I absolutely will, to "think like a witchhunter"
04:48:17 syv: Uhm. Aggy's style is probably not at all what you'd get with MC. Though maybe some of it...
04:48:46 ER: okay, "hard for
syv to describe" then
04:48:59 ER: would update take longer if I had L3? :P
04:49:36 syv: Doubtful. Updates taking awhile generally has little to do with the nuance of powers.
04:50:54 Devastator: powers are the easy bit?
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05:00:22 syv: Damn it, now we've got all four people here, I can't go back to sleep nooowww
05:00:45 ER: but also need to keep reading prequel
05:01:22 syv:
MJ, do you follow Prequel?
05:01:47 MidJag: I do somewhat, I don't check it a lot, but I do occasionally check for updates
05:02:18 ER: depends how recently you checked it, I guess! :D
05:02:37 MidJag: Last time I checked it the crhsitmas game had been out for a few days
05:03:20 MidJag: Kaz is easily distracted by the allure of flash games.
05:03:22 syv: Also, it should've been finished already, but Kaz cannot into scheduling
05:03:50 syv: At least the flash games are fun.
05:04:04 syv: Though, this one is borderlins aggravating.
05:04:23 MidJag: Yeah, I played a bit of it, it's pretty damn hard
05:04:46 syv: Oh you don't even know the half of it, if you only saw the first few nights.
05:05:18 MidJag: Yes, nighmares having to do christmas dreams is fun
05:05:34 syv: You get zots and that helps a bit, but then there's singing trees and just gaaaahhh
05:06:23 syv: I'm mostly curious whether it'll tie into Katia's nightmare person. The sleipibou seems similar to that stuff.
05:06:49 MidJag: Katia has a nightmare person? I thought she just had nighmare kings
05:07:02 syv: A lot of the discussion is pretty nice, too. I like Quill and Vaermina's opposed viewpoints on writing.
05:07:14 syv: There's some intelligence that is the source of her dreams.
05:07:23 syv: Recall the gold text at the end of her child dream?
05:08:02 syv: The one where she looks like she's ten, and starts hopping down a staircase, that's all animated and everything.
05:08:26 MidJag: huh, I don't think I've seen that one
05:09:26 MidJag: I have no memory of this. I am now very confused.
05:09:41 MidJag: ...wait what? This was 2012?
05:09:52 MidJag: I'm not sure how I missed that.
05:09:58 ER: maybe you need to re-read, like I am
05:10:16 MidJag: Huh, Weird, I don't typically forget stuff like that.
05:10:39 MidJag: Is this right after she get's drunk at church and burns some stuff?
05:10:44 syv: Yeah, you should add "reread Prequel" to your to-do list. Right after "read Unsounded".
05:10:56 ER: she specifically doesn't get drunk there
05:10:57 syv: You'll get around to it before you're eighty, I'll bet.
05:11:12 ER: she smashes the bottle, then lights the contents
05:11:47 ER: she has the nightmare because she DOESN'T get drunk
05:12:05 syv: Unsounded, because both me and
ER love it, and have repeatedly told
MJ to read it, and he's said he would. Eventually. After having free time. So, when he's seventy.
05:12:31 syv: I know you dislike the basic concept of it enough you won't even look at it, but we're still allowed to like it.
05:12:55 MidJag: Is unsounded the one with the kid and a zombie on a buddy movie to kill shit?
05:13:29 MidJag: That is a happy medic though
05:14:12 MidJag: what part is that from
ER?
05:14:48 ER: That is when we played as "Nah", the vampire in Kvatch
05:15:18 ER: she saved Katia after she fell down a well trying to kill some slaughterfish
05:15:46 MidJag: Huh, man, my memory is failing me.
05:16:11 ER: "Nah" is reminicing about the time back when proper medicence was practiced rather than everyone just using magic and alchemy
05:16:35 ER: which is apparently a reference to Daggerfall, which had a medical skill
05:16:50 syv: Ohh, I hadn't caught that.
05:17:10 ER: also she likes doing surgery on people because she likes blood, because she's a vampire
05:17:47 MidJag: I'm always suprised more vampires aren't doctors in fiction
05:18:01 MidJag: Espeically back in the day all you did was take peoples blood out of them
05:19:12 ER: maybe you should register a slot of your free time after unsounded to play that game, Vampyr?
05:19:26 ER: that has an olde timey vampire doctor
05:19:34 MidJag: That sounds like many things I like.
05:20:33 ER: yeah, you might like at least the sentiment of it
05:20:56 ER: I don't recall your tolerence for Jank. It is Jank, I hear.
05:21:42 MidJag: It depends on the exact nature of the jank honestlly
05:22:04 syv: -reminder that
midjag never beat DaS-
05:22:10 ER: small studio making a Big Game jank
05:22:15 syv: Though admittedly he did get decently far into it.
05:23:09 MidJag: hmm, DS isn't particuarly jank honestly
05:24:12 ER: I mean, less jank than demon's, because they made demon's first and learned from it
05:25:53 MidJag: heh, a medival vampire doctor would probably be the only one who's actually has some basic idea of anatomy.
05:29:32 syv: Oh man, if you count dead angles, there's so much worse.
05:30:02 MidJag: I feel like most games with a well developed fighting system involve massive amounts of glitches treated as features
05:30:04 syv: Chain backstabs. Backstab escapes. Ghost strikes. Barrel rolls. Reverse rolls.
05:30:37 MidJag: Why is every move in DS named after food?
05:31:16 syv: Well, estus is all an undead needs to live, and indeed is pretty much the only thing undead ever eat.
05:31:28 syv: Have you ever tried living off of just one boring food alone?
05:31:49 MidJag: Does Jello for a week count?
05:31:52 syv: Even if it's enough to survive on, you find yourself fantasizing about other foods very rapidly.
05:32:05 syv: Eh, maybe. Just a week is pretty short.
05:35:26 MidJag: Yeah, I could see living off one boring food causing fanstaisty about other foods
05:36:03 ER: undeads can eat other things, like moss
05:36:18 ER: so presumably, they can eat food if they want?
05:36:44 ER: and an unhollowed one MIGHT eventually die without nutrition and become hollow?
05:38:58 syv: Yeah, there's a number of things you can jam into your face.
05:39:12 syv: But how many of those things actually have any kind of positive taste?
05:39:16 MidJag: Would a hollow taste anything?
05:39:33 MidJag: I suppose they get posioned
05:39:42 ER: I imagine the moss tasting pretty nice, actually?
05:39:46 MidJag: So they're at least a bit organic.
05:40:02 ER: like the moss part would be sweet
05:40:19 ER: the flowers on the blooming part are bitter though
05:40:22 syv: In my experience, moss just... doesn't taste. That's very limited experience, though.
05:40:47 ER: moss lady seems to love it. :P
05:40:55 syv: Hey
Devastator! You've claimed to jam lots of weird junk in your mouth when you were a kid, did you ever find any tasty moss?
05:41:23 MidJag: I don't think I've ever tasted moss actually, at least intetionally at any rate.
05:41:50 syv: I bet elizabeth mushrooms taste good, at least.
05:42:12 ER: what about divine blessing?
05:42:14 syv: Divine Blessings probably do too.
05:42:44 syv: Beyond those... hrm. Not too many items you jam in your mouth, really.
05:42:44 MidJag: It's got that gody goodness
05:43:03 syv: Grass. Which people constantly compare to weed, despite having the opposite effect.
05:43:22 ER: oh yeah, grass has GOT to taste good right
05:43:46 MidJag: I mean grass is slang for weed, so I can see it.
05:44:08 MidJag: Though weed is very much an acquired taste.
05:44:10 syv: Oh huh, egg vermifuge actually has a described taste. "Bitter, sour chestnut."
05:44:50 syv: They're actually called "green blossoms", but most people just say grass.
05:45:04 syv: "Green weed, shaped like a flower. Temporary boost to stamina recovery speed.
05:45:04 syv: This uniquely bitter, biting herb is sometimes harvested in large quantities, but normally it is an annual plant found near water."
05:45:27 ER: yes, bitter like our doomed souls
05:45:44 ER: one of the games should have been called doomed souls btw
05:47:57 syv: Apparently divine blessings are just holy water, so probably not very delicious. Purging stones don't give a flavor, but do use the eating animation, and... probably do not taste like bacon.
05:48:51 Devastator: No, can't say I've eaten much moss either.
05:48:59 Devastator: can't say I've eaten none, but no.
05:49:02 ER: ...odd that purging stones use that animation, as they're called stones and are described as being a human skull
05:49:28 syv: Elizabeth mushrooms don't have anything mentioning flavor, but in 2 they get this description:
05:49:33 syv: "Specially treated dried mushroom.
05:49:33 syv: Creates a euphoric sensation when ingested, and restores a large amount of HP over time.
05:49:33 syv: Saint Elizabeth devoted her life to helping the needy by concocting medicine and potions.
05:49:33 syv: It's thought her great virtue was matched only by her sublime beauty, but who can say now?."
05:50:17 ER: DS3 has estus soup and Seigbru
05:51:20 syv: Amusingly, there's only four elizabeth mushrooms in DaS, all only available by time traveling into the past and interacting with the thing that makes them, and yet there's many found across the world in 2, which takes place on a different continent far in the future.
05:52:58 syv: "Poison can be exasperating"
05:53:06 syv: From the description of purple moss clumps.
05:53:10 Devastator: maybe the mushrooms come from that continent originally.
05:53:41 ER: but they're named after Elizabeth
05:53:50 Devastator: Yeah, maybe that person brought them over here.
05:53:56 syv: No, Elizabeth is literally a giant mushroom, and you get three by killing her.
05:54:30 syv: Then again, she'll also give you those three if you rescue the princess, so maybe they're cultivated.
05:55:06 syv: Either way, she's not mobile, so it's pretty weird for them to be more common on a continent that she's never been to, and can never go to.
05:55:31 ER: maybe that's literally a different elizabeth?
05:55:32 syv: ....While still being associated with her, on that continent.
05:55:45 MidJag: I would guess the shrooms dont taste great.
05:56:22 syv: Seems pretty obvious they meant the mushroom, considering the last line's tongue in cheek joke about her forgotten beauty.
05:56:45 syv: "It's thought her great virtue was matched only by her sublime beauty, but who can say now?."
05:57:48 ER: maybe after the chosen undead leaves oolacine for the last time, she gets a little hand cart for people to push her around
05:57:57 syv: Plenty of mushrooms taste delicious.
05:58:42 Devastator: maybe someone brought a spore over and there's some kinda mushroom hive mind.
05:58:45 ER: because they're said to create a euphoric sensation
05:58:57 MidJag: Mostly cause the only mushroom I can think of that has euphoric or pyschedelic effects taste terrible.
05:59:20 ER: and yeah, the interesting mushrooms and tasty mushrooms don't overlap
05:59:39 syv: It *is* implied that the mushroom people are related to Elizabeth, so the shrooms being made by her descendants doesn't seem too crazy.
06:00:08 syv: Thinking about it, DaS 2 has plenty of things from the first game that are totally senseless to be on that continent.
06:00:18 syv: Like, for instance, *the fucking lordvessel*.
06:01:17 Devastator: maybe someone stole it.
06:02:31 syv: Maybe all the stuff from DaS 1 was just carried there by the chosen undead, who then died.
06:02:31 ER: maybe nashandra is the chosen undead who did a dark lord ending?
06:02:45 ER: I'm totally not qualified for that game theorizing
06:02:53 ER: I've barely even played DS2
06:02:58 syv: Nah, Solaire linked the fire, and Nashandra just ran off to Drangleic.
06:03:39 syv: The fire must be linked in DS2, but the chosen undead isn't necessarily the one who links it.
06:03:57 Devastator: if you weren't chosen, wouldn't linking make you retroactively the chosen?
06:03:57 ER: if all the loot was carried by CU, it would all be found in one giant loot-clump
06:04:00 syv: And Solaire would be ALL ABOUT setting himself on fire to give the world a sun.
06:04:05 ER: because CU never drops anything. :P
06:04:29 syv: Nah, sold it all to Gavlan.
06:04:39 syv: Gavlan then redistributed it via dwarves.
06:05:55 syv:
Dev, the "Chosen Undead" is the protagonist of DaS, even though there have been many "chosen undeads", since it's more a mythological role than an actual specific person or accurate prophesy.
06:06:42 ER: slash a lie/scam to get someone to go burn themselves up
06:07:10 syv: ...Nah, CU isn't Nashandra. There's too much junk that predates Vendrick's Drangleic.
06:07:29 syv: Like Artorias' sword being in the Old Iron King's dungeon.
06:07:49 ER: ...man, why would that happen
06:08:02 ER: fucking crow carry it there or something
06:10:07 syv: "An ancient greatsword of unknown origin.
06:10:08 syv: This sword was passed down through generations, until it reached Gordin, wandering knight of Forossa, and was lost upon his death."
06:10:50 syv: So that implies that either CU had kids and gave one of them Arty's sword, or if you wanna go the drama route, Ciaran was pregnant and nicked it.
06:11:15 syv: It got into Brume Tower because dumb ol' Gordin wandered in and died.
06:12:23 ER: all three versions of artorias's sword are gotted from boss soul shenanigans
06:12:56 syv: But the *actual* sword should be lying around after he died, and Ciaran could just go grab it.
06:13:26 ER: which would imply that the gettable ones aren't actually the sword arorias used, but your dumb broken straight sword you looted off a hollow and then poured hundreds of thousands of souls and divine metal into
06:13:49 syv: In-game it disappears on his death, but so does his ponytail, and her little shrine has his ponytail. So it's just a game mechanic that he disappears, in actuality his body was just left on the ground.
06:22:51 ER: also Ciaran wouldn't have nabbed the sword then, because Sif has it later on in the timeline?
06:23:20 ER: she would have... snuck up and stolen the sword from sif's corpse. sure.
06:24:32 syv: Oh, that's a good point. If Ciaran took the sword, she wouldn't be able to put it in Arty's grave. Which also shows that the player-made Abyss greatsword is just something else, because the actual sword ended up there.
06:25:02 syv: Though, we get back to the weirdness of "well why is the sword enormous, when it's small in the past AND future?"
06:25:17 syv: Maybe Sif's sword is, like, an honorary replica?
06:25:49 ER: maybe it was repaired and made bigger specifically for sif to use?
06:26:10 ER: because the one arty uses in his boss fight is beaten up like the abyss greatsword
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16:15:45 Piecewise: Got a A++ rating, so there is something above A+
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