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00:48:43 Piecewise: I leave for Arizona on thursday
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01:34:32 Devastator: heya dubs, jaggers.
01:34:39 MidJag: I got done with my first exam of the week.
01:35:18 MidJag: It actually went stupid well. So that was a pleasant surprise.
01:38:32 Devastator: Good luck in the other desert. Staying long?
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01:42:43 Piecewise: Gonna hang around, build robot dinosaurs, write about gnosis, etc
01:43:05 Piecewise:
Piecewise only goes to arizona because its where the tunnel in his bunker leads to
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01:43:32 MidJag: Hey I mean everyone needs a secondary fallback position. ~
01:44:03 Piecewise: I'm just happy they installed a high speed tram
01:46:00 Piecewise: Something something black mesa
01:46:23 Devastator: Didn't those trams always break down?
01:46:59 Piecewise: Well, I mean there hasn't been a resonance cascade around here
01:47:53 Piecewise: I mean...I think those are javelinas not head crabs.
01:49:09 Devastator: Trump just put the Russian foreign minister on TV tonight saying that there is no Russian interferance in US domestic politics. Earlier today, Guliani quoted that he found hot dirt on Trump's domestic political opponents after his solo meeting with three different KGB agents.
01:49:13 Devastator: I think this is the bad universe.
01:50:06 Piecewise: This is not the best possible world, and not the worst
01:50:13 Piecewise: it is the most dumb of all worlds
01:50:18 Piecewise: we're in the clown dimension
01:51:40 Devastator: So all I have to do to cure this is to kill Gamgee?
01:55:21 Devastator: sounds like a plan.
01:55:35 Devastator: except being MSPFA, it'll be words wrods wrosd words.
01:56:23 Piecewise: Another ghostbusters has been announced
01:58:01 Piecewise: It appears to be the season 2 stranger things could have been
01:58:30 Devastator: now.. willl it be soulless?
01:58:36 MidJag: Then again I've never actually seen stranger things
01:59:06 Piecewise: I mean, its nostalgia baiting pretty hard, but it looks like its at least trying
01:59:38 Piecewise: It has like half the cast of stranger things
02:00:35 Piecewise: and its about kids, including spangler's granddaughter, finding his old lab and equipment. And then fighting ghosts and solving a mystery
02:00:51 Devastator: one day they will build something new.
02:01:05 Piecewise: I mean here's the thing
02:01:06 Devastator: Actually, sounds like Ghostbusters meets Scooby Doo.
02:01:10 Devastator: That might actually work.
02:01:36 Piecewise: Here's the thing, they're still creating new IPs and such
02:01:43 Piecewise: the issue is they're not blockbuster movies
02:02:18 Piecewise: No one wants to gamble any money on anything anymore
02:02:40 Piecewise: The Joker movie super low budget for instance
02:02:42 Devastator: and since nobody sees not-blockbusters, they never succeed.
02:03:08 Piecewise: And joker is an award winner in terms of profits
02:03:19 Piecewise: They just want to make those billion dollar movies
02:03:38 Piecewise: Same problem as the AAA games industry
02:03:40 Devastator: Yeah, can be a tough road I guess.
02:03:40 MidJag: It would explain Marvel
02:03:58 Piecewise: no longer mid budget stuff with a smaller audience that makes a profit
02:04:11 Devastator: spend 80 million, make good movie.
02:04:42 Piecewise: Only homogenous, appeal to everyone, do nothing new, movies that can make a billion
02:05:00 Piecewise: and it doesn't matter if 4/5 fail
02:05:17 Piecewise: because if 1 succeeds then it will worl
02:06:04 Piecewise: Though here is the interesting thing
02:06:11 Piecewise: For star wars at least
02:06:20 Piecewise: I don't think they've made their money back on that purchase
02:06:29 Piecewise: They paid like 4 billion for it
02:06:49 Piecewise: the main movies have made like a billion each, but you have to remember all the production and advertising costs
02:06:56 Piecewise: the cost of building the new park stuff
02:07:14 Devastator: sounds like accounting tricks.
02:07:20 Devastator: no matter how much you make, show a loss on the books.
02:07:25 Piecewise: If they made a profit, it doesn't seem to be the massive one they would want.
02:07:43 MidJag: Hmm, I should probably go and study some more. See yah gents.
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02:39:17 Piecewise: Oook Oook to you tooook
02:51:45 Devastator: I'll try to get k-com next weekend.
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02:56:17 ER: Wonder if I should really do the thing in k-com
02:56:40 ER: as gratifying as it would be.
02:59:05 Devastator: Seems unlikely for Leng to ask my character for a buff.
03:00:01 ER: I'm really just recommending magical buffing
03:00:17 ER: because zavi is helpful, see
03:01:30 Devastator: Nah, I mean even with prompting.
03:01:39 Devastator: ..Maybe I should run JRPG the forum game.
03:01:57 ER: Nina also doesn't have any mana for reasons I do not fully understand.
03:02:24 Devastator: Mostly a refusal to do things.
03:03:06 Devastator: being a channeler and not engaging in combat leads to not much mana.
03:03:22 Devastator: her plan of being paid to have people bring her mana fell through.
03:03:54 ER: yeah... minimum strength channeler might not be a good build.
03:05:21 Devastator: could be made to work.
03:05:26 Devastator: but you'd have to find a niche.
03:05:44 Devastator: or have a big pet or something.
03:06:30 Devastator: could probably be fine if she went looking for hostile spirits and ate them.
03:08:28 Devastator: words are sound and accelerate.
03:08:38 Devastator: not really broken, but very useful.
03:09:32 Devastator: "I'm not loaning you my weapon, I'm the one chosen to wield it."
03:09:49 Devastator: Saeko: Has heard that from 38 JRPG characters before.
03:11:54 Devastator: "Sure, okay, no problem.."
03:14:11 Devastator: eh, I'd come up with something.
03:14:19 Devastator: and it'd be argueably charity for d6.
03:15:53 Devastator: well, if you want to sell her on it, I'll be in town for.. this turn.
03:16:08 Devastator: ready to go anyway.
03:27:03 Devastator: yeah, could do jrpg the forum game.
03:27:08 Devastator: albeit random encounters would get tedious.
03:27:22 ER: so long as it has interesting lore ;P
03:29:35 Devastator: Yeah, probably would have some of that.
03:33:20 Devastator: "You are the only magical girl."
03:36:22 Devastator: magic monsters are attacking the world, and there's just you.
03:36:25 Devastator: something went wrong.
03:36:55 ER: how am I supposed to harness the power of friendship like this
03:41:19 Devastator: Not what would be the backstory?
03:46:33 Devastator: mmm, I cna think of a few angles.
03:47:12 ER: God is an idiot pink haired girl who misaligned everything
03:49:45 Devastator: Also, I'm figuring there's like 20 animals, and eventually one finds the MC. Then, after a while, another one does. And another. Because there are no other candidates.
03:49:47 Devastator: because pinkie fucked up.
03:53:32 Devastator: Although it would be a big neat, because each one would have some kinda magic and a weapon or something.
03:53:34 Devastator: so you'd get to level up.
03:56:56 Devastator: Imagine the bedroom scene except outside there's like 20 Kyubeis instead of one. Staring.
03:59:02 Devastator: Because something is horribly wrong.
03:59:21 ER: because Pink Jesus fucked it up.
04:01:52 Devastator: That said, I'd need to create 20 magical girl powersets, weapons, outfit themes..etc.
04:10:44 Devastator: (Collapses under pile of weapons.)
04:12:52 Devastator: Feel free to write a MC description and backstory,
ER.
04:13:04 Devastator: I don't think I'll run it, but there'd be fun moments to think about.
04:21:19 ER: right now I have my own game on the mind so
04:21:52 Devastator: and
PW doesn't do backstories, so that leaves nobody.
04:21:56 ER: "for the past 10 years, nearly your entire life, your nation has been a warzone."
04:39:22 Devastator: about how to make powersets interact.
04:39:44 ER: slap the magic into other magic and see what happens
04:40:58 Devastator: I'd say you'd get the main power of every gem, and your choice of two secondaries.
04:42:16 ER: aww, just stealing
syv's dumb mechanics?~
04:42:31 Devastator: no, it wouldn't be syvs mechanics.
04:42:46 Devastator: Powersets would just level.
04:43:40 Devastator: you'd get a power, a weapon, and two abilities and two passives for your starting set.
04:44:14 Devastator: each new one you get a weaker version of its power, a weapon, and your choice of two weakened versions of that gem's abilities and passives.
04:45:10 Devastator: That said, they'd stack, so if you took ones that build off each other, you'd have something insane.
04:47:47 Devastator: getting a weapon forced upon you is just for the fun of imagining someone buried under like a dozen oversized weapons. ;-p
04:47:57 Devastator: "You can summon your weapon at any time!"
04:48:25 ER: just lure the monsters into a pit, then drop every weapon on them
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04:58:26 syv: Reminds me of my idea for a PM3 fanfiction, where some daughter of a far-right wingnut wishes for everyone to be armed with a gun, at all times. Everyone in the world gets a soulbound gun that they can'r ever put down. Some poor bastards would be stuck with eighty pound HMGs or something.
04:59:26 syv: Did you actually read through the entire armory?
05:00:08 syv: Okay. That's expected, it's stupid long.
05:00:39 syv: The very opening to each spoiler is good to read, I think. That gives basic ideas on the factions. The gun details themselves are... probably a waste of time.
05:01:33 ER: so I have ideas for how I'd smash these guns into ERlore
05:01:50 Devastator: guns aren't for smashing.
05:01:57 syv: @
Devastator Reminder that Ekrov actually *already* designed an emblem for Saeko. That shield he gifted her was painted with a stylized depiction of Benedict roaring, I believe.
05:02:08 Devastator: except for the CQC class.
05:02:24 Devastator: although it seems kinda redundant to put an emblem of a griffen on a griffen.
05:02:35 ER: ...Probably want more than one Guerilla faction, so that section is more like Misc. Manufacturers
05:02:44 Devastator: "What's your emblem?" "MY OWN FACE"
05:03:25 syv: Nah, wasn't roaring, it wasn't specified what it depicted him doing.
05:04:12 ER: ...Stealth reminds me of some evil megacorp, like Sovereign in Heat Signature
05:04:31 ER: so might just call them Sovereign.
05:04:31 Devastator: I mean nothing against a gryphon logo, but it does seem silly to have it on the gryphon.
05:04:34 syv: That is one of the two specific plans for what they might be.
05:04:56 Devastator: Emblazoned on my shield is.. another shield!
05:05:09 Devastator: nah, just need that on the other items.
05:05:21 Devastator: but make up some theme or background that can be put on the griffen itself.
05:05:53 syv: Maybe have an emblem with both Benedict *and* Saeko, maybe in a more messianic depiction, to communicate "these things are together, anything emblazoned with this are owned by them, and they're a Big Good".
05:06:11 ER: besides that, I just have to figure out how CQC and Occupy aren't just russia and america :V
05:06:17 syv: Still a griffon on a griffon, but more informational.
05:06:49 Devastator: that sounds too egotistical for not-yet-evil Saeko.
05:07:04 Devastator: I mean, nan would totally have her face as a logo, but mostly because that'd explicitly grant her power.
05:07:29 ER: empower her with your consumption
05:08:27 syv: In the two characterizations I've had, CQB was either a mix of WWI Germany and Imperial Japan, or alternatively some kind of bastard offspring of a PMC and penal legion, with forced drug addiction thrown in to make them worse and act as a control method.
05:08:36 Devastator: eh, don't remind me, nan was fun.
05:08:42 syv: Occupy... Occupy is America, yeah.
05:09:26 ER: "these are the americans" is a handy anchor point for a strange world, I guess.
05:09:57 ER: then people can be like "oh, so these are like americans but evil" and they can be wrong
05:11:11 ER: I guess CQC could just be full of the kind of person who runs off to be a level 1 adventurer. :P
05:11:25 syv: Nah, they're flanderized Hollywoof Americans, Dubs. Dumb action heroes with somewhat incompetent, glory hound leaders.
05:11:35 syv: That is precisely what CQB is.
05:11:47 syv: Also a mixture of people too desperate to have any other option/
05:12:43 Piecewise: I have no idea what you were talking about
05:12:52 Piecewise: I just wanted to post baked bean pizza
05:12:54 ER: a large but relatively poor country's privitized military, which allows their soldiers to loot shit as a bonus.
05:13:21 ER: who is this random hobo in our channel
05:15:01 syv: They're almost certainly extremely loyal people as well, probably some hero worship of the leaders. They're too likely to die for them to go into action if they *aren't* loyal. Maybe make it a monarchy or something, those are fun.
05:18:46 Piecewise: Are you familiar with foster's home for imaginary friends?
05:19:02 syv: That was a pretty good cartoon.
05:19:29 Piecewise: It apparently got an official comic spin off
05:20:06 Piecewise: There is no nudity or anything there
dev
05:20:13 Piecewise: its literally a comic for kids
05:20:22 Piecewise: but it has...interesting implications
05:20:33 Devastator: ..I said 'nope' because 'no I haven't heard of it.'
05:20:54 Piecewise: oh. Normally people tell me that because they don't like to look at my perversions
05:21:14 Piecewise: and made an ass out of you and me
05:21:42 Devastator: eh, that's pretty weak for a perversion.
05:21:45 Devastator: got a worse pic just the other day.
05:21:57 Piecewise: Like I said, its nothing bad in and of it self
05:22:19 syv: I'm sure that'd happen in that world, no question. Probably not the best thing to deal with in a kid's comic though.
05:22:19 Piecewise: but the implications of young boys creating bimboized versions of girls they like...
05:22:51 Piecewise: Do you know the word "Bimbo"
sy?
05:23:01 syv: Just mentally immature, which kinda just goes with the entire cast of imaginary friends.
05:23:26 Piecewise: I mean, she also has exaggerated proportions, make up, and a smaller shirt
05:24:03 Devastator: I didn't realize that's what was going on.
05:24:19 syv: Yep, definitely not an appropriate thing to deal with in a kid's comic.
05:24:39 Piecewise: Please ignore the implications of the countless living sex dolls
05:24:40 Devastator: Although if the kid was like 14, it'd be basically entirely expected.
05:24:52 Devastator: "What's your fantasy?"
05:26:03 syv: Though didn't most kids only have a single friend, ever? I'm pretty sure they were made young and kept to teenaged age, then left and never replaced.
05:26:26 Piecewise: though I believe some kids just kept making them
05:26:36 Piecewise: didn't frankie have a problem with that?
05:26:42 syv: Yeah, there was the crazy girl who was a factory for them.
05:27:13 Piecewise: The alternate universe DeeDee from dexter's lab
05:27:19 Piecewise: same proportions if memory serves
05:27:28 ER: I have just now been introduced to this deep lore and I feel like I'm in the deep end
05:27:43 syv: So kids with overactive imaginations would have a harem, along with a bunch of normal friends, because they make friends for basically every emotional state.
05:28:30 syv: But the vast majority only get one, so they'd only get a sexualized one if they made it very late/were very early bloomers *and* had a personality mostly dominated by sexual desire.
05:28:41 syv: So... actually probably pretty rare.
05:28:48 Piecewise: Probably a big red flag
05:29:05 Devastator: yeah, something odd there.
05:29:12 Piecewise: Did they ever talk about imaginary friends dying or fading away? Or are they immortal and just hang around forever?
05:29:32 Devastator: Although, come to think of it..
05:29:44 Piecewise: Do they vanish with their creator? Or if they are forgotten?
05:29:55 syv: IIRC the rabbit guy who was the mansion's butler was the old lady's friend from when she was young, and I think he was characterized as the oldest friend.
05:30:02 Devastator: There's always one kid who, though not having hormones yet, gets interested in like porn an such despite having no idea what it's about.
05:30:04 syv: So presumably they die with their creatoe?
05:31:06 syv: Jeez that would be unfortunate.
05:31:37 Piecewise: I mean...the most unfortunate would be something else entirely
05:32:28 syv: Yeah, but being mistaken for a child rapist by pure chance would also be crap.
05:32:59 Piecewise: The most unfortunate would be someone who imagines a character like...I dunno...renamon or babs bunny or something like that when they're too young to really understand the sexualized aspects of them. And then for that kid to grow up and...for things to escalate.
05:33:37 ER: wow this is really deep lore
05:34:12 Devastator: mmm, there'd be worse than that. Say a kid with an imaginary friend that is crippled either physically or emotionally.
05:34:15 Devastator: Or one that's just twisted.
05:34:39 syv: Nah. Not at all, Dubs. That's unfortunate, but isn't doing much harm.
05:34:50 syv: The worst is for a kid to make an imaginary friend that's a nuke.
05:35:16 Piecewise: Oops, my imaginary friend is a child molestor
05:35:21 Devastator: Then you end up with, yes, that.
05:35:34 syv: "Whoops, I let my kid read the Wikipedia article about fat man, now the city is gone."
05:36:44 syv: Wikipedia says Mac is only 8, and is already getting too old for Bloo, so yeah. Sexualized friends *would* be extremely rare.
05:38:14 ER: or maybe they have to get rid of the old ones so that they don't clash with the sexualized friends
05:40:44 syv: Hey
ER, what kind of imaginary friend would Sophia accidentally up?
05:42:10 syv: Aww, but that's my design, not yours.
05:42:36 Devastator: hmm, it'd be something lacking for Alida, so probably someone quiet who stays out of sight most of the time.
05:46:33 ER: dammit, the faction based off of america in the movies has movies made about them which are slightly inaccurate?
05:47:32 syv: Yeah. At least the real fictional faction uses some degree of tactics, like suppression and cover.
05:47:45 syv: ...Neither of which there's mechanics for, so...
05:48:02 syv: They don't have fictional movies, they have documentaries.
05:48:24 ER: fuckin who needs cover in my magical girl game~
05:48:29 Devastator: Sure, they're fictional, but they're documentaries.
05:50:42 syv: Hmm. Now see, there's something I'd see happening in the Foster's universe. Kids making imaginary friends based off real people who they want to spend more time with them, but with any sexuality *removed* because they're unaware of it. Which would still be totally weird; kid makes an imaginary friend based off his mother. Parents now feel super fucking weird. What do you even *do* about that?
05:51:42 syv: There is no good place for a hyphen in that phrase.
05:55:18 Piecewise: I'm getting flashbacks to "Wire Frame Mothers"
06:08:11 Piecewise: From a series of quite fucked up experiments
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06:08:30 Devastator: oh yes, have heard of that.
06:08:47 MidJag: yes, I'm back for a bit.
06:09:06 MidJag: Need a break from not being able to focus.
06:09:38 Devastator: That link isn't probably going to help.
06:10:28 MidJag: oh right, I've heard of that thing
06:13:21 syv: Just read that, quite fascinating.
06:13:39 syv: I love that he used emotional names for his torture methods.
06:14:23 MidJag: At least he was honest I suppose
06:14:44 Devastator: yeah, no 'enhanced interrogation techniques' there.
06:15:33 ER: lets torture monkeys for mad science
06:16:26 syv: This kinda stuff is fascinating, and super informative.
06:17:04 syv: It's sad, but according to the article I linked, it was directly and rapidly helpful in changing how nurseries operated.
06:17:42 MidJag: Eh, sometimes it's useful science sometimes it's just shitty
06:18:01 Devastator: that could be true.
06:18:14 syv: For the better. It was commonly accepted that physical contact was unnecessary, even harmful, for babies. So contact was minimized. Harlow's experiments proved the opposite--and still had people saying he was wrong!--which helped change things.
06:18:36 syv: Just because something is evil doesn't mean it isn't of value.
06:18:49 Piecewise: I mean, here is the thing
06:19:01 Piecewise: We took the results of nazi human experiments
06:19:09 Piecewise: we studied survivors of the nukes
06:19:24 MidJag: Actually a lot of those nazi expirments were just shitty sceince.
06:19:26 Devastator: Wasn't most of the Nazi experiments utterly useless?
06:19:33 Piecewise: Hell, we directly recruited nazi scientists through operation paperclip
06:19:45 syv: Some of them were useful, though.
06:19:55 Piecewise: But there were some that had their uses
06:20:13 Piecewise: such as information about temperature and pressure tolerances
06:20:23 syv: Yeah, they were evil acts, done by probably evil people, and could've done just as much or more good with far less harm.
06:20:41 Devastator: Those guys were about launching rockets, not murdering people for fun.
06:20:42 syv: Doesn't mean they didn't give us useful, valuable information that helped people.
06:21:02 Piecewise: Don't forget the V2 killed a lot of people
dev
06:21:28 syv: Wasn't the V2 a complete crap boondoggle?
06:21:34 MidJag: IIRC a lot of the tempature ones were actually shit.
06:22:18 Piecewise: . According to a 2011 BBC documentary,[6] the attacks from V-2s resulted in the deaths of an estimated 9,000 civilians and military personnel, and a further 12,000 forced laborers and concentration camp prisoners died as a result of their forced participation in the production of the weapons.[7]
06:23:23 syv: So... yeah, killed more of the builder's workforce than targets, though their workforce was intended to die.
06:24:10 Devastator: But concentration camp prisoners were going to be murdered by something, be it V2 rockets, jet engines, starvation, shooting, gas chambers, etc. That was deliberate murder, regardless of what it was for.
06:24:29 Devastator: I suppose I could credit the human experiments the same way. It's possibly a slightly more efficient way to murder people.
06:24:32 Piecewise: Its not as bad as the v3
06:25:02 Piecewise: was basically an RPG hose
06:25:22 syv: I didn't say it wasn't evil.
06:25:32 MidJag: Yeah it turns out that scientists who embrace outdated views of human biology in the 40's end up making shitty biologists.
06:26:03 Devastator: How about the rocket plane?
06:26:07 syv: What about the Japanese one? I forget the name, the one that studied infecting people with disease?
06:26:13 MidJag: ...Although they were suprisinglly good orthopedic surgeons. But they got that stuff from before the war.
06:26:19 syv: Didn't we learn a fair bit from their science?
06:26:38 Devastator: They did a much more thorough job of destroying their records.
06:26:53 MidJag: Yeah, and I think what's left is still under wraps.
06:27:00 syv: I thought some of them got the whole "no execution if you talk" deal?
06:27:32 Piecewise: Unit 41 or something
sy
06:27:37 Devastator: Oh yes. And then didn't talk.
06:27:42 MidJag: Some did yeah. Not sure if that information was ever actually shared though
06:28:32 Devastator remembers a story where a Russian unit in Manchuria discovered a pallet full of cocaine, just sitting there. Some of the soldiers though it was soap before someone took it away.
06:28:44 Devastator: nah, that was opium.
06:29:08 syv: "The Americans did not try the researchers so that the information and experience gained in bio-weapons could be co-opted into the U.S. biological warfare program, much as they had done with German researchers in Operation Paperclip."
06:29:33 Devastator: tbh, they should have war trialed at least a few hundred more people.
06:29:36 MidJag: Yup, not much of that has ever come to light IIRC.
06:29:47 Piecewise: Gotta remember the time
06:30:00 Piecewise: Paperclip was basically a way of keeping those guys away from the russkies
06:30:15 Piecewise: and a hail mary for some sort of advancement
06:30:24 ER: hmm, good ideas for ways to make my not-americans faction evil, thanks~
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06:30:42 Piecewise: Germany had some pretty good war machines, after all.
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06:31:19 Piecewise: Army Engineer Hisato Yoshimura conducted experiments by taking captives outside, dipping various appendages into water, and allowing the limb to freeze.[47] Once frozen, which testimony from a Japanese officer said "was determined after the 'frozen arms, when struck with a short stick, emitted a sound resembling that which a board gives when it is struck'",[48] ice was chipped away and the area doused in water, limbs brought
06:31:20 Piecewise: close to fire and other "methods" used to determine the effect it had on frostbite. The effects of different water temperatures were tested by bludgeoning the victim to determine if any areas were still frozen.
06:31:23 syv:
ER, you don't need to have biological warfare to make Americans evil.
06:31:39 syv: Just a bit of imperialism and bam.
06:32:03 Piecewise: No one can out Imperialism Britain though
06:32:04 syv: Agh we should hurry up an watch Apocolypse Now.
06:32:16 syv: Plenty of warcrimes in there.
06:32:36 MidJag: huh, still wondering what they were trying to get from the vivisections.
06:32:37 Piecewise: What about heart of darkness?
06:32:59 syv: Is there another movie version?
06:33:06 syv: Group reading doesn't work as well. :P
06:33:17 Devastator grumbles about Rothfuss novels.
06:34:18 Piecewise: Well, there's actually a documentry about the making of Apoc Now called "Hearts of darkness"
06:34:31 Piecewise: shows how much of a fucking nightmare making that movie was
06:36:00 syv: "There was consensus among U.S researchers in the postwar period that the human experimentation data gained was of little value to the development of American biological weapons and medicine. Postwar reports have generally regarded the data as "crude and ineffective", with one expert even deeming it "amateurish"."
06:36:23 Devastator: The real scholarly authorities on people freezing to death are Canadians.
06:38:45 MidJag: If you've got an entire country made of scientests who for whatever reason didn't run while they still can and then give the bosses the power to execute anyone with alternate theories you end up with a whole lot of shitty science.
06:38:53 Piecewise: The stuff from the nuclear attacks was useful though
06:38:58 Piecewise: even if it was...not so nicely done
06:39:26 MidJag: I've also gotten like 3 hours of sleep over however long I've been up so take my opion with a grain of salt
06:39:27 Devastator: I'll give some credit there, because you're genuinely dealing with something not present in the world before then.
06:39:47 ER: only a grain of salt with your opium,
MJ?
06:39:55 Piecewise: Knowledge about what radiation did was pretty unknown back then too
06:39:58 ER: I'd think you'd want a more salt-heavy mixture
06:40:08 Devastator is also thinking about the ban on 'jewish science' hindering the Nazi nuclear project.
06:40:31 Piecewise: I've got books with images of how exposure to radiation prevented potatos from sprouting and how this was "Evidence that radiation was the fountain of youth"
06:41:01 MidJag: I mean they used to sell radium water as a longetivty treatment
06:41:49 syv: Drink mercury! *It's liquid Shiny!*
06:41:53 Piecewise: The line for that was "It worked great until your jaw fell off"
06:42:06 syv: "Often times, one twin would be forced to undergo experimentation, while the other was kept as a control. If the experimentation reached the point of death, the second twin would be brought in to be killed at the same time. Doctors would then look at the effects of experimentation and compare both bodies."
06:42:16 syv: Now Mengele, Mengele was a mad scientist.
06:42:30 Devastator: Drop the second line there.
06:42:38 MidJag: Also not very good at his job.
06:42:49 Piecewise: You learn a lot about radiation in the past in my profession. In the old days we used to check to make sure the beam was powerful enough (and on) each day by sticking our hands into the path of it until our skin turned red
06:42:53 MidJag: If you look at some of the other stuff it's just bad methodolgy
06:43:01 Devastator: It's like someone told him what science was second-hand.
06:43:26 syv: True. He had a control, yet didn't... didn't quite get it.
06:43:35 Devastator: That's not what a control is.
06:43:44 Piecewise: Gotta remember they were mostly just sadists with certain obsessions. Also occult ideas
06:43:58 MidJag: Yeah, that's like the idea of a control, explained to a child.
06:44:16 Piecewise: I think its more just "I wonder what will happen if I do this"
06:44:32 Piecewise: I don't think "Control" was something he considered
06:45:20 ER: too bad the occult isn't real and we didn't get nazi demon armies
06:46:15 Piecewise: nah, only those nazi ufos in the center of the hollow earth
06:46:53 syv: I mean, he was considering controls. That's why he didn't always experiment on the second twin.
06:47:13 syv: He fucked it up, yes, and was just doing random shit besides, but he did consider the concept.
06:47:21 Devastator: Without undersanding it.
06:47:28 Devastator: it's like a kid playing knight, so to speak.
06:47:34 Devastator: except with murder.
06:47:51 Piecewise: its like a kid playing with action figures
06:48:01 Piecewise: and occasionally throwing them in the microwave
06:48:13 Piecewise: He's basically toy story's "Sid"
06:48:29 syv: "Can I change the color of your eyes by injecting dye into them?"
06:50:02 Piecewise: You get some sleep too
06:53:37 Piecewise: That is a good mod by the way
ER
06:57:36 Devastator: halocraft is boring as fuck.
06:57:42 Devastator: and I loved the halo 1 pistol..
07:00:43 syv:
Dev loving something that's well-liked by everyone and considered to be top of the meta?
07:00:54 syv: Oh, yeah, this was young
Dev.
07:01:07 syv: Before the goblin grew to consume your entire being.
07:01:47 ER: hmm, so
dev is a changling?
07:02:04 Devastator: Didn't everyone hate the pistol because it was OP?
07:02:15 Devastator: hence why it never reoccured?
07:04:35 syv: Also no, everyone love it?
07:04:40 Devastator: unmentioned is the 120-round halo 2 rifle.
07:04:48 Devastator: Yeah, which is why it got nerfed so badly.
07:05:26 MidJag: I mean in reach it was still decent. Just not top of it.
07:15:17 MidJag: anyway night, I'm gonna go study some more and then pass out.
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07:36:46 syv: I love the idea of a grenade spawning a bunch of slamfiring machine pistols which start clattering around.
07:36:57 Devastator: bang bang bang bang bang bang.
07:55:56 ER: he actually refers to the heart shooting plasma pistol as the magical girl gun
07:56:12 Devastator: not strong enough, really.
07:58:32 syv: It's not strong at all, I don't think.
07:59:02 ER: it homes and stuns, really powerful along with melee
08:00:09 syv: "Dude mumbles about modding memes into Halo: The Movie"
08:00:34 Devastator: I mostly meant because manabolts are solid weapons.
08:02:23 syv: Ahhh, PS was originally going to be quite a different game.
08:02:24 syv: Every class would get their own finale, and a finale would be basically required to kill a witch.
08:02:47 syv: So it was more about tactically making them vulnerable to your big unwieldy move.
08:03:37 syv: Nah. Your finale makes a top.
08:04:48 Devastator: a lone quark might have an astonishing amount of energy in it.
08:05:08 syv: Sophia's witch is a smol witch.
08:05:44 Devastator: take alida's route and find someone to wish it bigger. ;-p
08:08:28 Devastator: absolutely no side effects to wishing the dark incarnation of your soul to be stronger.
08:12:07 syv: It's not size that matters.
08:12:23 Devastator: Don't tell Alida that. ;-p
08:12:28 Devastator: (as true as it may be.)
08:14:04 syv: Well, sometimes size does matter a little.
08:15:50 Devastator: probably mostly on defense.
08:15:56 Devastator: I'm sure she could take some attacks now.
08:16:10 Devastator: not everything will be a kill or severe injury.
08:16:51 syv: Yes. Now Lucy's bomb would only remove one leg, not everything below the ribcage.
08:17:07 syv: Of course, she'd be a larger target, too.
08:17:31 Devastator: that's true, but mob 3 now.
08:17:36 Devastator: so that part probably levels off.
08:17:47 Devastator: easier target, but now way faster.
08:18:14 syv: As long as she has room to manuever.
08:18:53 Devastator: of course, if there isn't room to maneuver, she's filling the arena, which has advantages too.
08:19:34 Devastator: but if it's a firing line for a giant laser or something, welp.
08:20:20 Devastator: thinking about it, maybe only half a leg.
08:20:54 Devastator: since one leg is as large as her body was, ans she's artificially tougher now.
08:29:28 Devastator: maybe not enough to disable without painless.
08:29:36 Devastator: so that is a significant improvement.
08:29:45 Devastator: and painless II would cover the wound, no problem.
08:30:36 ER: was I going to sleep some time?
08:31:07 ER: hmm, I thought that I might have actually written something down for FMD today
08:31:07 syv: Were you gonna do anything with us instead?
08:31:44 syv: You should run a test game of it, and have all the mechanics written down and posted alongside the updates.
08:32:12 syv: When you come up against something that you think should matter mechanically, come up with some arbitrary rule and write it down.
08:35:16 syv: Powersets are prolly gonna be his wall. 'Cause I think he wants powersets, and they're harder to ad lib.
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17:55:33 er: Hey, I can have multiple walls if I want.
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22:32:17 NJW: Not bad. On holiday at the moment, so that's nice.
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22:55:35 er: Ah yes, "what if I put a few more magic systems in this setting"
22:58:57 er: (I'm at work but have little to do!)
23:05:57 NJW: Haven't been around the forums in ages. Nice to see RTD still alive
23:06:59 NJW: Even if the first page is 25%
Piecewise and another 25% Roulette crew
23:07:16 er: The games will die, but RTD will live on! :v
23:07:37 Piecewise: I'm cutting back though
23:07:42 Piecewise: I'm down to only 4 games
23:07:55 er: Still get interested escaped lunatics, which is good
23:08:08 Piecewise: they drop in at the oddest times
23:08:33 er: I mean to be fair roulette crew is like over half the people who were active back then
23:11:09 er: Now I'm halting my tactical hell game which I didn't update often enough in favor of a game featuring magical girls and guns
23:11:54 NJW: Oho. Young women and automatic firearms: an
ER classic.
23:11:56 er: Because
syv doesn't update his game with magical girls and guns often enough~
23:13:07 er: Automatic? Eh, breech loaders are more my type~
23:24:18 er: Bah. Well, you talk to me then,
Piecewise.
23:25:01 Piecewise: Wait, breech loading girls or guns?
23:27:15 er: I'm not sure specifically what that would mean, but I think I'm fine with it.
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23:29:48 NJW: oops, disconnected for a bit there
23:30:18 NJW: ooh, we have logs again! very cool
23:30:37 Piecewise: I mean...breach loading for a shotgun means you bend it over and insert things into the opening
23:30:50 er: Thank
Paris the tech wizard, whose art I cannot fathom
23:31:57 Piecewise: There are some really weird model kits out there
23:32:04 Piecewise: like that one, which is a kit of a milling machine
23:32:34 Piecewise: Which is a female American gulf storm soldier as designed by the artist of Dragon Ball Z
23:32:52 NJW: ... there's got to be a few people out there who need that in their lives
23:33:12 Piecewise: Someone is buying it
23:38:40 NJW: So what's going on in Mook? Last I saw, they'd released ghosts into the world by messing with a giant stone. Now there are knights involved?
23:39:22 NJW: Ah, reading the thread, someone's head just got eaten. Usually means events have got to a certain stage.
23:40:12 er: Really I like revolvers and pump actions too. All the non-automatics
23:41:08 Piecewise: What about lever action?
23:41:51 Piecewise: Also
NJW, that ghost mission ended when
Sy punched cthulu. Now they are "Negotiating" with super soldiers and a delusional fantasy larper
23:46:11 Piecewise: MOOK is dumb, much like myself
23:46:16 Piecewise: but its also HAUNTED
23:46:29 NJW: Indeed. No metacancer yet though?
23:52:01 NJW: So I've been thinking about Coven, and a couple of the things that worked and didn't.
23:52:44 NJW: I never really understood why so many characters were so ineffective while it was running.
23:53:33 NJW: For example, Glass,
PW's character in the first mission, was about as dangerous from three turns in as some characters were after a year of playing.
23:53:56 er: Cause they weren't powergamin'
dev~
23:54:33 NJW: Actually,
Dev was one of the people I expected to be stronger, some of the time. Looking back on it, I think it was because I didn't understand how people wanted to play, and didn't reward that
23:55:51 NJW: I expected people to play the way I was thinking of when I made the game - lean on their stats like in some sort of dark souls build, focus on creating strong wands/chalices/staffs/whatever else I put in
23:56:04 NJW: instead, people wanted to do - and be - their own thing
23:56:33 Piecewise: No meta cancer. Also, My character wasn't glass
23:57:16 Piecewise: She displayed the unrivaled power of INJECT INTO OURSELVES
23:57:23 er: She turned into glass though~
23:57:37 NJW: A power so great it kicked her out of the plot.
23:57:51 Piecewise: I beat the game in three turns. PRetty good speed run
23:57:51 er: And yeah, we all like our gimmicks
23:58:24 er: I mean, I played a character with high speed stat and named her the SPEED WITCH
23:59:05 NJW: Yes, but quite often, I didn't reward people for trying to develop their gimmicks, because I didn't see what they were trying to do - or didn't think it should work.
23:59:33 NJW: In fact, I should have developed the gimmicks more - that would have been more fun.
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