00:02:40 IronyOwl: ...I think you'd have to ensure that every secret yielded more secrets
00:03:10 IronyOwl: kind of a "each secret is driven by an engine, you can figure out what the engine is but then the engine also has an engine"
00:15:22 Piecewise: Keeping a black box between input and output might also work
00:16:06 Piecewise: if you never see the mechanics in that box, it keeps the exact nature of whats going on in there hidden
00:16:16 Piecewise: though you can guess from the input and output
00:16:40 IronyOwl: more importantly, you can guess wrong and still be effectively right, thereby shortcutting possible mysteries
00:16:57 Piecewise: I'll have to consider many things
00:17:13 IronyOwl: who would have thought infinite mysteries would be difficult for mortals to comprehend
00:37:19 Piecewise: I should have no problem then
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00:58:28 ER: well, how are you shit skellies today?
01:13:01 IronyOwl: yourself, you self-hating shitty skeleton?
01:23:05 Piecewise: Poms are very hard to eat well
01:24:03 ER: just have to very slowly peel off all the bitter bits and break off the seeds into a tupperware or something
01:24:11 ER: takes forever, but not hard~
01:28:14 Piecewise: I suppose thats what I mean
01:28:27 Piecewise: not hard just...incontinent
01:28:56 ER: joke's on you my time is worthless~
01:33:47 IronyOwl: plus the result is still kinda bitter :(
01:34:20 ER: ...it's pretty much random how sweet it ends up being
01:34:27 ER: I've had some very sweet ones
01:35:27 IronyOwl: maybe I just haven't had enough of them
01:36:07 Piecewise: I think you just gotta let'm ripen
01:48:19 Devastator: don't worry about minimum bids.
01:48:23 Devastator: that's what npc orgs are for.
01:49:46 Devastator: Well, it is what NPC orgs are for.
01:50:21 ER: the escaped blob is going to buy missile warheads!
01:50:30 Devastator: it'll mostly depend on EVENTS, but give it threeish months.
01:51:03 Devastator: there's no downside to your perks, in general.
01:51:17 Devastator: so no, nobody's going to be pulling your political strings.
01:51:31 IronyOwl: aw, but that means I don't get my own special subsystem? :p
01:51:44 Devastator: anyone can do the infiltration stuff.
01:51:46 Devastator:
ER just does it more.
01:51:55 Devastator: get a listening post and you can start.
01:52:33 IronyOwl: I should probably mention that I'm tempted to start my own knockoff kaijucom game
01:53:27 Piecewise: Do it and do it better than
dev
01:53:49 Devastator: update more often than once every other week.
01:56:37 Devastator: any questions tonight?
01:57:38 IronyOwl: no mechanical ones, just trying to figure out how to spend all my cash~
01:57:54 IronyOwl: (there isn't that much of it once I actually start tallying)
01:58:23 ER: wouldn't mind 100 for a large workshop upgrade. :V
01:58:39 IronyOwl: upgrades, how inefficient
01:59:04 IronyOwl: besides I still need to figure out if I'm going to abandon tanks in favor of the magnificently shiny submarine
01:59:51 IronyOwl: it's so much investment though
01:59:55 IronyOwl: so very very much investment
02:00:06 IronyOwl: holy shit I've barely done anything tank related anyway, I should probably do it
02:00:26 IronyOwl: it'll be so awesome after like eight months (so four months IRL) of research and construction
02:00:53 ER: still not slower than real time
02:01:06 Devastator: also, it'll be easier to research a hangar if it can only hold botes.
02:01:14 IronyOwl: oooh, didn't know that
02:01:23 ER: oh yeah, I asked about that!
02:01:36 Devastator: yeah, it'd be about as hard as researching a large hangar.
02:01:37 IronyOwl: I take it a regular hangar is schrodinger's flooded then?
02:01:52 Devastator: yeah, like a drydock.
02:02:31 IronyOwl: what about huge labs?
02:03:24 Devastator: I'd provide similar advantages if you dedicate them, yeah.
02:03:32 Devastator: but there would be real disadvantages to that.
02:03:47 IronyOwl: can you tell me how hard the normal versions would be to research?
02:04:00 IronyOwl: also, can you skip steps (Large->Superhuge instead of Huge?)
02:05:17 Devastator: You can just research a lab of whatever size you want directly.
02:05:34 IronyOwl: is that the largest size possible?
02:05:51 Devastator: No, but for you, yes.
02:06:09 Devastator: you need something special to go past that.
02:06:19 Devastator: huge + 1 is probably getting called Gigantic if it comes up.
02:06:25 IronyOwl: can you custom build hangars to hold live things of their own size?
02:06:38 IronyOwl: I'm tempted... why one submarine when you can store TWO submarines?!
02:06:53 ER: how large would a battleship be? gigantic? or bigger?
02:07:13 ER: can we go last gigantic if we devote it to boats only? :V
02:07:50 ER: so we can't make battleships? D:
02:15:48 Devastator: battleships are bigger than the kaiju you've been fighting.
02:15:53 Devastator: or comparable, really.
02:18:45 IronyOwl: oh yeah, can orgs share blueprints?
02:19:04 ER: costs 20 and any lab I think
02:19:24 Devastator: the recipient needs to spend 20 and a scientist at any lab to convert it over.
02:19:27 Devastator: and then it's fine.
02:33:05 ER: "your character's stats page is a really helpful way of keeping up with all eight of the chokeholds the game has you in."
02:35:19 IronyOwl: you also reading beginner's guide?
02:35:28 IronyOwl: haven't gotten there but it sounds like I will
02:35:51 IronyOwl: well what's the new thing then?
02:36:05 IronyOwl: though beginner's guide probably wouldn't phrase it as "your character"
02:37:33 Devastator: yeah, that's not from ABG.
02:37:38 Devastator: I still recommend that.
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02:58:18 Piecewise: he's not even playing the brand new pathologic reboot the original makers made
02:58:21 Piecewise: also he's fucking years late
02:58:39 Piecewise: also mandalore already made reviews on both the old and new, and he was more concise and funnier
02:59:16 Piecewise: Also he's a fucking ds2 apologist
02:59:23 Piecewise: REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
03:00:26 Piecewise: Fuck you,
er. Watch mandalore's videos, he reviews two games in half the time as hbomberguy's overly long pseudointellectual analysis.
03:00:59 Piecewise: Also, you could always just read that one RPS article about pathologic which predates all this
03:01:06 Piecewise: back when RPS wasn't a turd
03:01:09 ER: I won't listen to shit you tell me to because I know you only like terrible things
03:01:25 Piecewise: That explains why I like you
03:02:59 ER: fuck hbomberguy just told me it's worth checking out mendalore's video
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03:22:37 Piecewise: You guys see that cybertruck?
03:23:13 Piecewise: Tesla is good about making things look like the future while being very questionably good
03:23:16 ER: needs a laser cannon in the back
03:24:09 DCOwl: what's your take on it, bones?
03:24:11 Piecewise: I'm honestly surprised and disappointed there wasn't like a Halo HUD projected on the inside of the windshield
03:24:49 Piecewise: My take on it is that they put every readout on an ipad and turned all the mirrors into cameras so its gonna be a fucking upkeep nightmare
03:25:19 Piecewise: I can't wait for that ipad to break and just steal all your goddamn data
03:25:30 Piecewise: How much gas do you have? How fast are you going?
03:25:53 DCOwl: the ol' electric windows problem
03:25:55 ER: the ipad runs away on little legs
03:26:02 DCOwl: yeah, they're more convenient... but when they break yer fucked
03:26:27 Piecewise: The good thing though is that they made all the edges nice and sharp so that if you hit a pedestrian you'll fucking cut em in half
03:26:30 ER: yeah, sometimes I think that teslas REALLY aren't going to age well
03:26:41 ER: in old cars, everything is broken
03:26:48 ER: in teslas, everything is vital!
03:27:02 Piecewise: thats what I was basically saying. They look nice but they're gonna age HARD
03:28:26 Piecewise: You won't get this sort of "Well...this is kinda broken but whatever, car is still fine"
03:28:45 Piecewise: not when everything is condensed to one part
03:29:06 Piecewise: and one really specific part
03:29:25 Piecewise: Good luck getting those weird 6 foot long strip headlights in the future
03:29:35 Devastator: It's a vehicle with no robustness.
03:29:47 Piecewise: My 2001 scion is still going strong
03:29:51 Piecewise: well maybe not strong
03:30:08 Piecewise: but much like myself it is making it, despite the years
03:30:37 Devastator: you want me to shoot
RC?
03:30:50 Piecewise: That sounds like a personal question
03:31:00 Devastator: read the cabal orders.
03:31:11 Devastator: it looks like death.
03:32:21 Devastator: armour penetration with mana.
03:42:58 ER: "and here's where another aspect of the multi-character structure becomes clear. by actively fucking you."
03:47:49 DCOwl: like a fishman chortling
04:29:15 Devastator: reading draggy, Irony?
04:30:41 Devastator:
paris's game about a dragon in a sci-fi world.
04:31:08 Devastator: we could use a better name for the MC.
04:31:38 Devastator: I wouldn't mind going back to that after we're done killing.
04:37:21 Devastator: so you think he's going to manage to eat these bodies?
04:37:40 ER: "amazing game, one of the best games ever, artistic masterpiece, don't play it it sucks."
04:41:01 Devastator: or will something happen to stop that?
04:45:32 Devastator: welp, operation spend 36 hours in a blood-filled elevator, go!
04:45:55 ER: well, the video pretty much just yelled at me to play pathologic 2, so I guess I have to
04:54:30 Piecewise:
ER, have you ever considered playing EYE divine cybermancy?
04:54:56 ER: not past the first mission though
04:57:39 Piecewise: It has full auto and fuller auto
05:00:14 ER: you keep linking videos as if you think I'll watch something from you~
05:01:07 Devastator: didn't you just link a 2 hour review?
05:01:20 Devastator: ..and bug me about some kinda crappy webcomic?
05:01:40 ER: someone asked that I was quoting! D:
05:03:09 Devastator: Also, lowering the bar still lowering the bar.
05:07:47 Piecewise: apparently the google stadia controller is a nightmare to get into
05:08:59 Devastator: well, of course it is.
05:11:32 Devastator: Is it impossible to get into yet fragile, or impossible to get into but strong?
05:12:18 ER: nothing is strong before table saw!
05:12:23 Piecewise: They had to use a Dremel tool to cut into it
05:12:28 ER: okay, maybe a few things are
05:12:52 Piecewise: 130 bucks to play with 1-4 seconds of constant, erratic lag
05:13:02 ER: for a plastic controller, to access things you still won't own.
05:13:53 Piecewise: its actually doubly things you don't own
05:14:01 Piecewise: at least on steam you can download the files
05:14:06 ER: and apparently the little thing you plug into your TV overheats and shuts down randomly~
05:14:13 Piecewise: on stadia you don't own it, you don't have the files
05:15:17 Devastator: Sounds really awful.
05:15:22 Devastator: like worse than usual.
05:16:07 Piecewise: I'm pretty sure anyone not blinded by brand loyalty or desire for new tech knew it was gonna be bad
05:16:21 Piecewise: Yeah, stream 90gb an hour
05:16:39 Devastator: I do like that the hidden screw is a torq 9.
05:16:46 Devastator: at that point, why bother?
05:18:04 Devastator: The one thing I ever bought from itunes was a replay of the 2010 NLDS game 1 broadcast in perfect resolution, where my favorite player threw the first playoff no-hitter in sixty years.
05:18:14 Devastator: ..I got a DRM-free copy.
05:19:07 Piecewise: Sadly its hard to pirate all audiobooks
05:19:10 Devastator: well, they have about another 8 months before they're behind Tesla.
05:19:20 Devastator: Can you rip them while playing?
05:19:52 ER: well, you could record the video...
05:20:06 ER: bit hard to reverse engineer a game from that. :P
05:20:45 Devastator: plus, yeah, input lag.
05:20:48 Devastator: I meant audiobooks.
05:21:06 Devastator: I get annoyed by one-way latency. two-way isn't gonna be better.
05:23:31 Devastator: requiring one of their phones to activate it?
05:24:31 Devastator: Especially since they went widespread with their phone OS.
05:25:22 ER: I'm happy to watch them fail as hard as possible, I have an opposition to streaming
05:26:28 Devastator: I like streaming, but not as a product.
05:26:33 Devastator: I'm a-ok with people doing it.
05:27:05 Devastator: Also, I like his conclusion about "Google demands you link everything you're doing together." That's not news for some of us..
05:29:15 Piecewise: I think streamers should be drowned, for ironic effect~
05:30:57 ER: hey
dev, what questions should I ask about K-com?
05:31:04 Devastator: Dunno, whatever you want.
05:32:21 DCOwl: where da catgirls at might be a good start
05:33:30 Devastator: that looks like the final assembly was by machine, too.
05:33:35 Devastator: if those clips were too stiff.
05:34:24 ER: gah, gotta refine more kaiju material first, irony!
05:35:30 ER: Also, about your little graph, irony?
05:35:41 ER: Wants: refined muscle / guts
05:36:19 ER: long term plans at this point really are catgirl warriors and a secondary base, the other stuff was a joke
05:36:42 ER: And I can't offer the ammo any more, cause I'm out of it~
05:38:02 Devastator: Also, that controller is extremely mundane.
05:38:07 Devastator: it looks really ordinary.
05:38:38 ER: yeah, but they needed at least one physical piece to sell. :P
05:52:44 DCOwl: what you want processed guts for,
ER?
05:53:33 ER: they'll be expensive units, I can probably make them less likely to die unrecoverably with the guts
06:03:42 Piecewise: YO BRO I NEED AN EXTENDED MAGAZINE FOR MY XBOX!
06:03:55 DCOwl: ..."C11 smoke cartridge"...?
06:04:11 Devastator: acid balls are dangerous.
06:05:17 Devastator: seems like a pretty good ad, though.
06:05:55 Devastator: even if you're not interested, you're now aware the product exists.
06:06:24 DCOwl: better to be hilariously bad than boringly plan, I suppose
06:09:29 Devastator: plus if you are interested in owning a non-boring console case, you won't find the idea of a custom console case laughabe.
06:10:01 ER: did you trick me into watching an add, you fucker?
06:17:43 DCOwl: still waiting on his bid-rigging nonsense
06:18:06 DCOwl: otherwise I think I've mostly got my turn planned out
06:24:06 Devastator:
syv thinks magical wolfgirl shoud have armour, but she can't wear enough to matter.
06:24:34 Devastator: already unnaturally tough, but not nearly tough enough for heavy guns, and heavy guns require too much armour to wear to stop.
06:25:16 ER: damn, I should build excessively large russian werewolves, obviously
06:25:26 ER: what am I doing mucking around with catgirls
06:25:54 Devastator: go with what you want.
06:26:14 DCOwl: right now that's a SUBMARINE!
06:26:30 DCOwl: dunno what about it feels so shiny but WANT BOAT
06:26:35 Devastator: besides, she's going to die alone and bleeding out on the ground.
06:26:47 Devastator: That was a private offer, you know.
06:27:01 Devastator: that means shadow needs a space for it first.
06:27:01 DCOwl: I'm sure he'll be willing to transfer it over
06:27:10 DCOwl: can't I just pay his upkeep for it?
06:28:20 Devastator: special offers are for only the BM player.
06:28:22 Devastator: go to that guy first.
06:28:42 ER: die alone and bleeding out on the ground, of course
06:29:34 ER: you won't die from bleeding, you don't need blood
06:29:38 Devastator: I mean, she's strong, but the last enemy was a five story tall glass angel with explosive manabolts.
06:29:45 Devastator: and I only have painless II.
06:30:12 DCOwl: hrm, so can he accept the offer and pay upkeep on it without having a place to put it yet?
06:30:16 ER: your body might die from bleeding, but we've established that to
Dev death that you come back from doesn't count.
06:30:29 DCOwl: and if so, can he transfer ownership (and thus upkeep) to me before that happens?
06:30:38 ER: Alida can die in one way only: getting absorbed.
06:32:45 Devastator: or soul gem destruction.
06:32:48 Devastator: or soul deprivation.
06:32:55 ER: hah, you still believe in that?~
06:32:55 Devastator: yeah, he can take the offer and pay upkeep.
06:33:10 Devastator: that gems can be destroyed?
06:33:14 Devastator: we had one of those.
06:33:22 ER: soul gem takes damage, you drain soul.
06:33:42 Devastator: no, they're different ways to die.
06:34:18 Devastator: one leads to becoming a witch and eventually getting absorbed into the next MG, one is a more immediate death.
06:34:31 ER: either way, spell drain or damage drain, you'll live to become a witch, and then live as long as it takes to be absorbed.
06:34:48 Devastator: nah, gem being destroyed is the gem being destroyed.
06:34:49 ER: immediate death doesn't happen in PS
06:35:00 Devastator: except for the one that already happened.
06:35:05 ER: does in PM3, not
syv's version
06:36:18 Devastator: ..we had one in-game already.
06:37:23 ER: Mina presumably isn't gone. Just got ejected from the labrynth. That would be a mechanic which makes sense, stops any death from being an immediate murder snowball
06:37:59 ER: Isabella was not in a labrynth, died to physical damage, and sucked everything into a labrynth on the spot
06:38:18 Devastator: I think I asked
syv about that, and he said 'no comment'
06:38:47 ER: yeah, because it would be hilarious for alida to try to kill herself and then become a monster anyway~
06:45:43 Devastator: well, she might not now.
06:45:57 Devastator: knowing that witching is being a monster, but she'll pass her knowledge onwards.
06:46:52 Devastator: plus alida's dungeon would be a wolf on a battleship.
06:56:06 Devastator: on a bigger wolf. ;-p
06:56:27 DCOwl: it's shipwolves and wolfships all the way down
07:00:15 Devastator: maybe werewolf minions and wolf wolf minions.
07:05:17 Devastator: ..also, really have to use the multiple bodies things to have her ride herself to victory.
07:07:13 Devastator: CC4 requires hands, so can't be used when a giant wolf? So there!
07:12:03 Devastator: sadly didn't have time to practice that, so it'll be at a penalty.
07:12:07 Devastator: ..I should have practiced that.
08:01:21 Devastator: it's the Super Shotgun.
08:04:38 DCOwl: only three barrels, pfah
08:06:02 Devastator: time-travelling space marine.
08:07:33 ER: Has anyone ever made a gun which looks like a two barrel shotgun but actually carries 3 or more shells?
08:19:42 Devastator: there was that muzzleloader machine gun last week.
09:39:55 Devastator: "I think I understand the concept of things being dark, Nell."
21:48:52 Devastator: looks like they've been doing a pretty good job clawing back ipv4 addresses back from the legacy owners.
21:50:13 Devastator: also, they have 16 /8 blocks still empty.
21:50:38 Devastator: Admittedly, I'd trickle them out too, because that's 1/16 of the total quantity.
21:53:12 Devastator: Also, I see only 10 blocks held by the D.o.D, when I thought they had 13.
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22:17:49 er: Dammit, now I'm wanting to run an x-com game again. :P
22:19:27 er: Sorta-armsrace, SG vs
Dev game.
22:19:46 er: Though probably closer to k-com than armsrace.
22:21:23 Devastator: I think I once offered to play opfor for an arms race.
23:22:49 er: "For the purpose of your class features, feats, and spells, all monstrosities which live underground count as beasts, and all beasts which live above ground count as monstrosities."
23:27:20 er: I came up with that, for dwarves and also drow I guess.
23:28:16 er: Might not do much for non rangers or druids, and might make those two OP, but I like the idea.
23:34:13 er: Or it might just make it boring to be a dwarf underdruid on the surface, where nothing works on the strange and alien creatures of the abovebright.
23:36:03 er: "Like others of his culture, he finds nature disturbing."
23:42:44 Devastator: do make sure to proritize heavily the acquisition of booze for said dwarf.
23:44:37 Devastator: because each and every dwarf, from birth onwards, always needs alcohol to get through the working day. ;-p
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