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01:53:28 ER: was about to complain about how loney I am in here
02:02:04 Devastator: sorry, had to work today.
02:02:08 Devastator: and saturday work goes long.
02:06:44 Devastator: I'm too exhausted for k-com today.
02:06:51 Devastator: will do my best to get some done tomorrow.
02:07:00 syv: ...I still haven't made a proper action.
02:08:03 Devastator: Yeah, gotta have deployment.
02:08:06 Devastator: unless you're sitting at home.
02:08:48 syv: Yeah. Probably just gonna throw everything at the Kaiju that's not being hit so hard.
02:08:55 syv: Don't need to protect the jet now.
02:09:40 Devastator: sure. That level of detail is enough to give ordesr.
02:09:52 Devastator: mostly all I need for tactics is if something's holding back or if you have retreat orders.
02:10:05 Devastator: which one is the one not being hit so hard?
02:11:01 syv: I don't recall, I just know most people were targeting one specific kaiju.
02:11:16 syv: Or at least several of the MS units were being sent towards one.
02:11:38 Devastator: yeah. I think that was the Aus one.
02:11:41 Devastator: checking for.. reasons.
02:11:47 Devastator: I have them generated.
02:12:06 ER:
dev, can I make a building which detects and/or captures escaped mad science projects?
02:12:48 syv: Being the only person to harm a kaiju that's otherwise ignored is better, funding wise, than being one of five people that dogpile and destroy a single kaiju, yes?
02:13:07 syv: Though I kinda doubt the aus one will really be destroyed.
02:14:21 Devastator: It depends on how things go.
02:14:47 Devastator: Irony's the one who gets better points feedback.
02:15:45 Devastator: If you fight well you'll do ok regardless.
02:16:57 Devastator: I can't give a solid answer as if A or B is better from what you said there.
02:17:27 Devastator: If Irony were here, asking that, I'd give better feedback.
02:17:34 Devastator: but you two aren't policial specialists.
02:18:55 syv: That's about forty more words than necessary to answer the question.
02:19:26 Devastator: a full answer would be like forty words, not one.
02:20:07 Devastator: and DO NOT QUESTION THE NEW CLOTHING.
02:20:35 syv: This gives me conflicting feelings. I hate Ally, I like Cola.
02:21:00 syv: I'm also unsure whether I like or dislike the fact that she has no shirt.
02:21:17 syv: I'll rate my opinion as "tentatively positive"
02:24:40 ER: who needs shirt when you have blatantly overpowered fusion move
02:25:17 syv: I forget whether super saiyan fusions had shirts.
02:25:27 syv: I don't recall many shirts in DBZ, but I just don't know.
02:25:46 Devastator: DBZ is pretty low on shirts.
02:26:12 syv: Well, K6BD does win there.
02:26:21 syv: I'd much rather see shirtless ladies than shirtless dudes.
02:26:30 Devastator: Also, this is totally cheating.
02:26:52 Devastator: there's either two people there, or one person who hasn't been evaluated.
02:26:58 syv: Does her boyfriend really matter or have much of any character?
02:27:06 syv: I don't think anyone cares about her cheating on him.
02:27:09 Devastator: Nah, he's a plot device.
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02:27:18 Devastator: This is a no-dudes comic.
02:27:32 IronyOwl: what's this about juicy political secrets?
02:27:42 Devastator:
syv's trying to interrogate me about the scoring system, but he's not a political class, so gets shitty answers.
02:27:44 syv: "(
syv) Being the only person to harm a kaiju that's otherwise ignored is better, funding wise, than being one of five people that dogpile and destroy a single kaiju, yes?"
02:28:12 Devastator: Yeah, that's still you asking it.
02:28:15 syv: If by interrogate you mean "asked one question idly"
02:28:28 syv: But yeah, if you ask that he'll give an answer.
02:28:36 Devastator: When you ask a question it's in the interrogative case.
02:28:41 syv: I'm military so I just get a lot of waffles.
02:28:48 IronyOwl: so quick question: is there a difference between funding and favor, or does liking you = giving you cash directly?
02:30:17 Devastator: yeah, it's on IRC PM.
02:30:24 Devastator: I think mibbit shows it as a new tab next to the main one.
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02:32:58 ER: you are not a novice IRC wizard, congrats
02:33:26 spazyak: It me drunk college student
02:34:08 syv: Here's a question I've had for a long time. Is it "Spaz Yak", or "Spazy Ak"? Or possibly even "Spazy AK"?
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02:34:59 mib_rlb3xb: Truth be told my username was a misspelling of the tajik word for spice
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02:35:59 ER: was really hoping for that Spazzy AK, weren't you?~
02:36:38 syv: No, I've always read it aloud as "spazzy ack", so that was what I was hoping for.
02:36:54 syv: Spazzy yak works too, though.
02:37:44 Devastator: what ya doing here?
02:38:01 spazyak: Idrunk and popping on at 3 am
02:38:57 Devastator: Hmm, speaking of drunk..
02:39:03 ER: I opened the gate to summon Irony and some imp slipped through the binding spell
02:39:15 IronyOwl: I have acquired knowledge
02:39:28 IronyOwl: Main thing: Funding/favor equations are complicated
02:39:43 syv: Yeah, I think I coulda gotten that one.
02:39:51 syv:
Dev's made everything in this game complex.
02:39:56 spazyak: Gonna hop off honesu and eat
02:40:06 spazyak: Then sleep glad I was able to get on though
02:40:09 ER: I should have spies sneak into your base and loot all the Favor
02:40:12 IronyOwl: enjoy your meal and slumber
02:40:19 spazyak: Dorm wifi usually blocks ircs for some reason
02:40:22 ER: and then I will have all the income!
02:40:37 Devastator: years ago it was a common viral vector.
02:41:03 IronyOwl: So anyway, the question of which is better is kinda vague because it depends on circumstance
02:41:13 IronyOwl: ignoring a kaiju gives everyone penalties
02:41:19 IronyOwl: casualties are also penalties
02:41:37 IronyOwl: so being the only one to get rekt against a kaiju is better for everyone else but maybe not for you
02:41:53 IronyOwl: damaging a kaiju is also good, so it probably depends on how much you damage it before failing
02:42:38 IronyOwl: speaking of which, what's our current spread looking like?
02:42:52 Devastator: You'll have to figure that one out yourselves.
02:42:54 IronyOwl: I feel kinda locked into the sea one because my base is right next to it
02:43:06 Devastator: It's not striking Hong Kong, I'll let you know that.
02:43:15 Devastator: eh, can tell you the points.
02:43:16 ER: I'm fielding some pretty sweet stuff, though~
02:43:48 Devastator: it's landing on the east side of Malaya, near Kota Bharu.
02:44:19 syv: Stirk's going aus,
ER's china, Irony's china, Shadow's splitting but sending his DPS to Aus.
02:44:24 ER: when a mad science escapes, I can send troops to steal it, right?
02:44:34 syv: Anyone recall what Stirk's units are like?
02:45:04 ER: not shit as in bad, just unupgraded units
02:45:08 syv: Infantry and arty would be good.
02:45:28 Devastator: escape projects are gone.
02:45:46 IronyOwl: looks like they're Mulder n Scully's problem now
02:45:53 Devastator: If you want to go after them, I'd recommend trying to research something specifically for that first.
02:46:14 ER: how am I supposed to SCP without Weird Shit to lock away and study!?
02:46:15 IronyOwl: my prion launcher melts flesh
02:46:23 syv: Oh, Irony, you have any questions about how units work?
02:46:26 ER: yeah, was considering a building
02:46:29 IronyOwl: so I can't swear whoever deploys with me will get any loot :x
02:46:37 IronyOwl: I have infinite questions about how units work
02:46:37 Devastator: If you're going after something, you want a vehicle.
02:46:42 syv: Since you shared the political stuff I'd be happy to share unit info.
02:46:50 ER: so I can build an escaped project tracking building?
02:47:02 Devastator: Sure, but if it's escaped it's going to be hot shit.
02:47:17 IronyOwl: how much do you know?
02:47:23 Devastator: I'll tell you right now, "It's gone" is because letting you go after them unprepared is schmuck bait.
02:47:25 IronyOwl: we talking unit HP or just general combat phases or what?
02:47:39 Devastator: because it's already escaped once.
02:47:51 ER: then I guess I'll just have to make ELITE CATGIRL ANOMALY HUNTERS
02:48:05 Devastator: so you pick it up, and it kills whatever came after it, or you pick it up and it fucks your base over next turn.
02:48:11 Devastator: so "It's gone" is for your protection.
02:48:30 IronyOwl: man saving the world got real weird real quick
02:48:44 Devastator:
ER still hasn't actually made catgirls.
02:48:54 IronyOwl: not yet, but I have confidence
02:48:56 Devastator: I think he finished his medium lab, so they're now on the table.
02:49:04 ER: well yeah, it's been like two turns~
02:49:18 IronyOwl: Bill made something that gives my soldiers the creeps in like two turns, I have no doubt catgirl evangelion is feasible
02:49:33 Devastator: It's a frightening object.
02:50:05 Devastator: Also, I think Bill could make something creepy every single turn. ;-p
02:50:10 syv: Hum. Okay, broadly units have seven stats, and each is graded on a somewhat exponential ranked scale. Going up one rank in a stat is around 2.5-3x as good, maybe.
Dev was cagey about this, and it seems like the exact way all the stats work is too complex to really say much.
02:50:26 ER: hmm, do I actually have a USE for collecting dangerous escaped science projects?
02:50:37 Devastator: that's not for me to determine.
02:50:49 IronyOwl: I mean, you could probably just buy fresh ones from our resident psychopaths
02:50:58 ER: I would try to study them to improve my understanding of THE SUPERNATURAL, but you say no research boosters. >:|
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02:51:07 Devastator: council would probably like it.
02:51:28 IronyOwl: hello Bill we were just talking about you
02:51:29 Devastator: Chainsaw Dick has shown up.
02:51:53 Piecewise: My name is joe exotic and I run iowa's largest tiger sanctuary
02:51:56 ER: get out of here you disgusting deadder
02:52:01 Devastator: There's no research boosters, but you can use stuff as raw material,
ER.
02:52:06 syv: Offensively, you've got damage, AP, and payload. Damage is exactly what you think, AP is of course just a direct counter to enemies with armor, but IIRC you may get some minor benefit from overmatching. Payload is the special one; it's how much stuff you can jam in your projectiles, whether that stuff is explosives or acid or hamsters or whatever.
02:52:19 Piecewise: Also, by bill do you mean Bill cipher?
02:52:27 ER: so I can grind down anomalies to upgrade my catgirls?
02:52:29 syv: Hmm. "Power", not "damage".
02:52:46 Devastator: but you're an org, so you want to put those at the start of the project.
02:52:56 IronyOwl: What does Payload affect, then? Is it like... a multiplier to how much your special sauce affects things?
02:53:52 IronyOwl: Hey
Dev, what do you mean by "want to put it at the start?"
02:54:07 Devastator: Org projects, at least serious ones, mostly take more than one turn.
02:54:09 syv: Like we could just research slightly better explosives, and then those explsives should be equipable to basically whatever, and make that thing more effective depending on their payload.
02:54:19 Devastator: you want to put the stuff in at the start instead of halfway through.
02:54:26 ER: wait, so I can't make NEKOHUNTERS ANOMALOUS MATERIALS REQUISITION UNIT, have them grab volitile magic science, and inject it into themselves to become more powerful and repeat the cycle?
02:54:45 Devastator: Pretty much. You need a two-step cycle to do that.
02:55:02 Devastator: design new catgirl with injected stuff.
02:55:18 Devastator: but yeah, totally possible.
02:55:29 syv: Arty, fighters, and MRLS all have the same payload, and arty has only one step less power, while being vastly cheaper, which is one of the reasons arty is one of the best units IMO. It scales well, doesn't lose much at all in damage, and is dirt cheap.
02:55:48 ER: so, nekohunter MKi, nekohunter MKii, etc
02:56:02 Devastator: Also, all the stuff you start with isn't very good stats-wise. You guys can do better.
02:56:35 IronyOwl: Not even modern tanks?
02:57:04 syv: Modern tanks are... ehhh. I don't like them, but they might be good sometimes.
02:57:21 Piecewise: Did
sy get shown those gifs?
02:57:33 Piecewise: I left explicit orders
02:57:40 IronyOwl: why don't you like em,
syv?
02:58:07 Devastator: Modern tanks aren't bad, but you can do better. Maybe not now, but in the future.
02:58:20 syv: I have watched Jin-Roh. Didn't really like it and I'm a bit unsure why I kept getting recced it.
02:58:42 IronyOwl: Well clearly, mad scientists exist to make better and better stuff
02:58:47 IronyOwl: like this Item of Terror
02:59:04 Devastator: mad scientists just do it faster.
02:59:06 IronyOwl: hrm, I was kinda thinking org research wasn't really worth it when we had mad scientists around
02:59:12 syv: Defensively, you have speed, armor, and durability. Also, kiiinda range. Durability is kinda like HP? It's just the general resistance to being killed that something has. Infantry have GREAT durability. Same as a modern tank. Armor is damage reduction, but seems weaker than durability. It's not very useful for targeted attacks from Kaiju at our level, I don't think, but it's very good against weaker AoE attacks.
02:59:14 IronyOwl: maybe I should start taking my labs seriously
02:59:19 Devastator: I don't know the right way to go about it.
02:59:34 Devastator: there is a use for org research.
02:59:52 syv: Speed is kinda dodge, it doesn't seem to be useful for kiting. It's essentially the inverse of armor. Targeted attacks, speed is good. AoEs, Speed is fairly crap.
03:00:08 Piecewise: What is
sy's favorite tank?
03:00:11 IronyOwl: is there a particular area org research excels in, or is it just generally good-just-not-on-nitro?
03:00:15 Piecewise: Is it the one he slit up 4 germans for?
03:00:31 Devastator: It's predictable and reliable.
03:00:56 Devastator: and your stuff doesn't cause -9 events.
03:01:30 ER: yeah, anomaly tracking station might come in handy...
03:01:34 syv: Modern tanks have the same durability as infantry, one step better speed, and the best armor available, but they cost ~3x as much, and their gun is only one step better in every category.
03:02:05 Piecewise: How long till we get hard suits
03:02:10 IronyOwl: if modern tanks have the best armor available, can we not get better armor?
03:02:11 Piecewise: Starship troopers or bust
03:02:19 IronyOwl: or you just mean better than anything else in the shop?
03:02:20 syv: Best armor right now, I mean.
03:02:50 syv: I think that ERA armor would just give it +1 step to armor, which might actually be awesme.
03:02:53 IronyOwl: But I mean, if each step is x2.5-x3 times better, and tanks have x3 cost and +1 offensive stats, doesn't that kinda work out?
03:03:19 IronyOwl: We think that'd give it x3-ish damage after all, right?
03:03:44 ER: ERA seems good on that tank, I'm... optimistic about how it'll work out on my technicals
03:03:51 syv: It's hard to say. They're probably better as DPS, but they're crap DPS compared to Arty.
03:04:34 IronyOwl: oh, yeah I see what you're saying
03:04:36 syv: Defensively, they *might* be better than infantry in some circumstances, but infantry also make three targets, and three rolls on attacks too. And they seem to be pretty durable even against AoEs.
03:05:08 IronyOwl: x3 infantry is x3 HP, and our armor seems kinda shit vs direct attacks, so it's either dodgy enough to make up for it or just kind of wearing two layers of tinfoil instead of one
03:05:25 syv: And it's not really very dodgy.
03:05:29 Devastator: not all kaiju are the same, too.
03:05:37 syv: That there's another important thing.
03:05:48 syv: Some stats are clearly awesome against some kinds of Kaiju.
03:05:59 syv: But Kaiju are random and we don't get much info early.
03:06:10 IronyOwl: Yeah, as soon as I got the prion launcher my first thought was what to do when we face a giant rock monster
03:06:20 syv: So... I think in general we'd be best to go for a mix.
03:06:26 IronyOwl: Well, my first thought was cackling but that was second thought
03:06:52 IronyOwl: So
syv not liking tanks is arguably a good reason for me to stick with them :p
03:07:38 Devastator: and to be fair, your tank did survive a laser beam before the second one slagged it.
03:07:51 ER: well, we should be able to get better intel on kaiju at some point
03:08:00 ER: take it from the intel corp ;P
03:08:06 syv: Tanks do also have the advantage of requiring less plane space. One plane holds two tanks, or two infantry.
03:08:33 Piecewise: Admiral Holdo is coming back in the new starwars movie?
03:08:40 Devastator: the other guys can do research on intel gathering stuff too.
03:08:46 Devastator: it doesn't have to be all you. ;-p
03:08:49 syv: With how fast our stuff dies right now, it's not really all that relevant, but... later on, yeah. I just hope we have better defensive units by then.
03:08:58 Piecewise: Is rise of the skywalker gonna be a sixth sense remake? It has more dead characters than living ones
03:09:18 ER: get your star wars nonsense out of this sacred place
03:09:47 IronyOwl: Yeah that was another thing: In theory, tanks can survive and be recovered
03:09:54 IronyOwl: Mine wasn't because it got ABSOLUTELY destroyed
03:10:04 Piecewise: This shit posting technological terror is fully armed and operational!
03:10:05 IronyOwl: But I assume it's more salvageable than infantry goo
03:10:33 ER: note to self: make catgirls revivable
03:10:53 syv: Probably. Honestly not sure. I think Durability is the most important stat for recovery, and armor merely *helps*. And tanks have the same durability as infantry.
03:11:00 Piecewise: Hey
Sy, how do you feel about the Kugelpanzer
03:11:10 IronyOwl: wait, so you can "recover" destroyed infantry?
03:11:20 ER: can have janitors scrape them off the beach and drop the goo in a tube, good as new!
03:11:32 syv: I think so? I don't see why not.
Dev! Can we recover destroyed infantry?
03:11:50 IronyOwl: Man I hope our prion-spitting regenerating-from-a-single-cell made-from-the-flesh-of-God catgirls don't cause problems
03:12:02 syv: It is one of the reasons behind me supporting you getting that modern tank though. I want to see if it does better on round 2.
03:12:13 Devastator: Sometimes. But you might want to think about orders and why infantry have lots of durability if you want them to do that.
03:12:26 syv: Maybe tank #1 just had terrible luck.
03:12:39 Devastator: your overall luck during the first battle was pretty average.
03:12:39 Piecewise: Irony, you forgot the fact that they'll lactate cocaine
03:12:50 Piecewise: I have it here in the
dev document
03:13:16 IronyOwl: well we're not called Atrocities Inc. because we STOP cocaine shipments, let's get this started
03:13:52 ER: that doesn't sound like shrooms to me
03:14:21 IronyOwl: Are we gonna have a goddamn drug war between rival factions over which recreational drugs all personnel are to be hopped up on at all times?
03:14:25 Piecewise: They'll grow those between their toes
ER
03:14:38 Piecewise: where else you gonna grow fungus?
03:14:54 syv: What else... range. Yeah, range is good. It straight up means extra attacks, though it's again variable depending on Kaiju speed and range. It's another reason I like arty. They have the best range, flat out. Only jets/helis match them, and are VASTLY more expensive.
03:15:09 IronyOwl: Jets/helis have the same range as artillery?
03:15:36 IronyOwl: either artillery is more safe/effective than I thought or jets are less
03:15:38 ER: too bad I'm making melee hunter units, with literally no range
03:15:52 Devastator: or that particular bucket is big.
03:16:00 syv: Helis suck, fyi. They're basically flying Arty that has a set of tradeoffs.
03:16:17 syv: Jets are crap at 500, definitely.
03:16:28 ER: easier to spam if I have unlimited funds for some reason tho
03:16:53 syv: They're super dodgy, and they have the best offensive stats of anything, but only by a bit.
03:17:14 ER: though if we can confirm we're fighting a kaiju without ranged attacks, helis can be pretty much immortal
03:17:39 syv: 8x arty is definitely better than one jet, though a little more expensive because transports.
03:17:54 IronyOwl: but then again, if it can't swat the heli it'll probably ignore it and go on a rampage
03:18:04 IronyOwl: well, more than a little
03:18:12 IronyOwl: since you need upkeep for, what, four hangars?
03:18:19 Piecewise: So what is this current big monster? I'm not gonna look outside of my lab
03:18:28 syv: Two. Each jet does 4x arty.
03:18:35 Devastator: Eh, I've rolled them up.
03:18:43 Devastator: I think you've all deployed except
syv.
03:19:05 syv: Fine, all-in on Aus,
Dev. That's my final action.
03:19:19 IronyOwl: probably the smart move
03:19:23 IronyOwl: China's gonna get weird
03:19:52 Devastator: one's a lobster-thing, and the other's basically a three-legged mule.
03:20:21 IronyOwl: not the MOST glorious thing to valiantly slay, a three-legged mule
03:20:21 ER: wonder if I should build more small workshops so that I can spam ERA kits to everyone. Guess I will if this fight makes good advertising.
03:21:15 Devastator: I don't remember the exact distribution of special abilities, so no more info on them.
03:21:57 Piecewise: A three legged mule sounds like a metaphor
03:21:58 syv: Oh yeah, MLRS vs arty. Arty has BETTER range, but less power, speed, and armour. MRLS also has 3x cost and 2x size. I consider them kinda close, because Arty is tissue paper while MRLS is tinfoil and has better chance to do some damage... but just sticking with arty really might be better.
03:22:23 Piecewise: Oh and Irony, aim at the mule. I don't know if those syringes will pierce lobstrosity chitin
03:22:29 ER: MRLS can use my armor though!
03:23:01 syv: Same payload too. Though, I think payload is paid for by unit, so equipping one MRLS might be half the cost of equipping two arty. And if it just does +1 power, then that's a huge bonus.
03:23:14 syv: But I really just don't know how payload works, so...
03:23:32 ER: hey
dev, how the heck does payload work
03:23:44 Devastator: it's how much shit you can shoot out of your thing.
03:23:52 syv: Yeah,
Dev, explain payload plox
03:24:07 Devastator: it matters when you're shooting fancy shit out of your thing.
03:24:22 Devastator: if you're not, it doesn't matter.
03:24:23 ER: i not sure understand this advanced concept
03:24:33 ER: explain like barbarian int 6
03:25:14 ER: hey
syv, what are infantry and GMG truck playloads?
03:25:25 ER: might matter for the nerve nades
03:25:26 IronyOwl: I think Payload is the Special stat, then
03:25:46 IronyOwl: eg high-payload makes good use of prion launchers, doesn't really matter for regular bullets
03:25:50 Piecewise: if Irony fires a prion syringe at a lobster with armor 8 inches thick at a speed of 400mph with a force of 800lbs, how mad will
sy get about not knowing the exact result?
03:26:12 Devastator: lemme roll an attack for that right now..
03:26:20 syv: GMG is actually the worst of anything between besides MG technical and infantry rifles.
03:27:13 Piecewise: I need to find a fucking god
03:27:20 Piecewise: sounds like a good one to worship
03:27:31 Piecewise: I'd prefer a female one
03:27:42 ER: we need to find a god so that I can put his flesh into catgirls
03:27:43 Piecewise: fertility works probably
03:27:51 syv: They probably are females sometimes.
03:27:59 Piecewise: giant erection at all times
03:28:19 syv: According to 4chan this doesn't conflict with "female"
03:28:49 IronyOwl: are you rolling combat now and it was completely one sided?
03:28:50 Devastator: Just rolled an attack from the prion launcher.
03:28:58 Devastator: no, just wanted to roll one of those.
03:28:58 Piecewise: I hope its a good oh god
03:29:11 Devastator: well, you just half-killed the one that you guys faced last time.
03:29:12 Piecewise: like OH GOD YOUR PRIONS ARE SO BIG
03:29:23 Devastator: ie, it just outdamaged the WHOLE TEAM.
03:29:47 syv: Yeah, I was figuring that thing would be awesome.
03:29:53 IronyOwl: AAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAA, PAYING THAT HOPPED UP SEXUAL PREDATOR WAS THE BEST IDEA
03:29:53 syv: What was it, five turns od mad science?
03:29:54 Devastator: Rolls were stupid good too.
03:30:05 ER: probably need to steal that thing so that I can develop a repellant spray so that I doesn't melt my biological melee units
03:30:13 syv: ONE turn of mad science might create a unit that can rival a fighter jet.
03:30:34 syv: So yeah, five on one unit/item? It's gonna be fucking OP.
03:31:04 ER: assuming it doesn't run away to get married
03:31:32 syv: I still would love to see the stats on that thing, but
Dev said that transporting it might be very dangerous.
03:31:44 syv: So it's probably just best left with Irony.
03:32:05 IronyOwl: we fuck up the transport roll with this thing and, uhhhhhhh
03:32:15 IronyOwl: probably worse than just letting a kaiju in
03:32:34 syv: Agh. Oh yeah. So. Best defensive unit to aim for during research. I think we should go for a small size highly mobile lightly armored jeep kinda thing. A technical+, yes, despite me saying technicals are crap.
03:32:42 ER: is it possible to make a Med transport which can carry one Med unit?
03:33:39 Piecewise: If you check the warranty I included with those you'll see it says "Fuck you, got mine" so...feel free to cash that in if anything goes wrong
03:34:32 ER: nvm, meds still require hangers. :P
03:34:52 ER: is it possible to make a small transport which can carry one med?~
03:35:12 syv: Probably not, and I fail to see the point?
03:35:14 Piecewise: So
Dev, I need a new room for my tech to contact extradimensional demonic beings so I can harness the magic power to cause hearts to explode from a distance...right?
03:36:19 syv: Having moderate speed and moderate armor is synergistic. Attacks that have good AP are probably going to be relatively easy to dodge, and armor is probably way more useful against AoEs than against directed attacks. Getting decent speed is relatively simple and cheap (technicals do have good speed, they're just the squishiest things we have available, so any AoE fucks them over)
03:36:26 ER: so, can I build an "anomaly grinding station" which converts dangerous science into helpful materials? :D
03:36:49 syv: Also, being small means we can field more (absorbs more attscks, probably), and they're cheaper to house (because they're free)
03:37:13 syv: Of course this is still theoretical.
03:37:35 syv: It might be best to just make a fucking mecha with Kaiju-level stats.
03:37:49 syv: I don't know, insufficient data!
03:37:53 Piecewise: I told you, the Evas are coming
03:38:14 Devastator: you need to research extradimensional being summoning.
03:38:29 Piecewise: Do I need to get a new building to do that?
03:38:35 syv: ...Hey,
Dev. In the Pacific Rim movie, the mecha were carried by lol worthy fleets of chinooks, IIRC. Could we do that? Just have like forty helicopters carrying one enormous unit?
03:38:43 Piecewise: or is that for more practical applications with the research?
03:38:45 Devastator: No, but you'll need to build whatever you research from it.
03:39:00 Devastator: ie, you research summoning, you get a building, you build that, and then you get your demon.
03:39:11 Devastator: if you research that sort of thing, yeah.
03:39:22 Devastator: or you could just make one demon.
03:39:23 ER: the shagohod which I gave as an example of a large-size tank was carried by a fleet of helis
03:40:30 ER: a weapon to surpass metal gear
03:40:32 Piecewise: Or maybe metal slugs...
03:40:53 syv: You know, aren't basically all gears metal already?
03:41:05 Piecewise: nah, I work with plastic gears a lot actually
03:41:09 syv: Metal gears are a very mundane thing.
03:42:10 ER: a metal gear between infantry and artillery
03:45:12 Piecewise: I do have an image of my ideal weapon
03:45:23 Piecewise: Truly a weapon to surpass metal gear
03:48:09 IronyOwl: why the vinyl record?
03:48:31 IronyOwl: I feel like I'd have gotten it in 1915, but I'm kinda stumped here
03:50:47 Piecewise: The world's most beautiful leg is a very important part
03:51:32 IronyOwl: that one was also confusing
03:52:16 Piecewise: that image is done by the germans
03:52:22 Piecewise: so its a commentary on america
03:52:39 Piecewise: beauty contests they apparently took exception to
03:55:37 Piecewise: was mislabeled on one site
03:55:49 Piecewise: 44 does make more sense
03:56:12 syv: Okay, yeah, that makes a lot more sense to me.
03:57:14 IronyOwl: okay yeah it kinda makes sense now
03:57:33 IronyOwl: just kind of everything american is bad, which is I guess planes and music mostly
03:57:52 Devastator: hence how you know it wasn't 1915.
03:58:15 syv: Yeah, that was what I was wondering about.
03:59:06 ER: since when did anyone care about jews. that seems like an utterly alien concept
04:00:14 Piecewise: I mean...if you read any period stuff you'll find that the jews weren't well liked...most places
04:00:28 Devastator: I'm saying in particular, though.
04:02:32 syv: Yeah. The KKK wasn't exactly friendly with Jews either, I don't believe.
04:02:40 Piecewise: Ironic that they would complain about the KKK, those nazis
04:02:41 syv: Which is another way that image is just odd.
04:03:03 ER: other people doing murders is bad
04:03:16 IronyOwl: other people doing Jim Crow is bad
04:03:28 IronyOwl: look at those poor caged africans force to do the jitterbug!
04:03:30 syv: That one makes a lot of sense. Wasn't that a major political argument of the time? "You're killing Jews!" "Yeah, well, you're lynching blacks."
04:03:34 IronyOwl: anyway back to the gas mines
04:05:18 Piecewise: good name for a mexican restaurant
04:06:31 syv: Your fleshbeast monster things!
04:06:58 Piecewise: are they lynching blacks?
04:07:04 Piecewise: Told them not to do that
04:07:28 syv: I want small size, moderately armored fliers, that are decently fast, and can mount some other kind of gun on them later. The gun part thing is unimportant, but I probably want to put that other guy's death rays on them.
04:07:52 syv: No troop transport capability, I literally just want really annoying fliers that are hard for kaiju to swat.
04:08:07 syv: Preferably fast growing or *something*.
04:08:27 Piecewise: So dragon harassers who fire lasers instead of fire
04:08:46 Piecewise: Maybe I can get lasers directly integrated into them instead of just attached
04:09:04 syv: It's really a pity that organic things are +2 sizes, it'd really be better if they were unliving constructs, but flesh miight work better.
04:09:14 ER: so that you can just build a queen and it automatically makes more
04:09:16 syv: The guns are very unimportant.
04:09:57 Devastator: organic things count as the next size up.
04:10:04 Piecewise: maybe I should just make a queen that shoots out tons of flying kamikaze bees. A swarm of hand grenades.
04:10:33 syv: No, Dubs. Not unless the queen is small size. Specifically small size. Very important.
04:10:46 syv: And if you aren't married to the idea of them being flesh, robots would be better.
04:10:56 Piecewise: Small size, fast flying, quick growing
04:11:08 syv: Lightly armored, but armored.
04:12:22 Piecewise: How small is small? Hawk? Condor? Pterodactyl?
04:12:32 Devastator: fits into a small lab is cat-sized.
04:12:49 Devastator: medium lab is car sized.
04:12:54 syv: You need a med lab to make a car-sized organism.
04:13:11 Devastator: large lab is basically up to the size of a heavy tank.
04:13:16 syv: Because labs are rated for inorganic projects, and organic projects count as one size large than they are.
04:13:59 Piecewise: how big a lab do I need for something... 40 and 95 meters tall.
04:15:18 syv: You know, another option would be researching a hive. A static building that just naturally spits these things out.
04:15:31 Devastator: large.. huge.. colossal..
04:15:54 Devastator: probably three levels over large.
04:16:24 Devastator: I think huge fits up to WWII destroyer.
04:16:49 syv:
Dev, how big a lab do I need to research an organic building which naturally grows small size organic units?
04:16:54 Devastator: so only 2 for 40ish or so.
04:17:04 Devastator: buildings only require small labs.
04:17:27 syv: Can Mad Scientists Mad Science up buildings?
04:17:39 Devastator: a couple have done that.
04:17:50 syv:
Piecewise, I really really want this hive idea.
04:18:09 ER: I should have someone mad science my intel hub. :)
04:18:11 Devastator: to mad science a building, you need it already designed.
04:18:40 Devastator: it's gotta be stuck in your lab like a normal research project.
04:18:58 syv: Would it help if the creatures that grow are already designed?
04:18:59 Piecewise: Mobile or just a building we stick somewhere?
04:19:21 syv: Literally a building that grows small-size flying armored organic monsters.
04:19:31 syv: That we can bolt guns to, I guess.
04:19:39 syv: Or just give them hands, that would work.
04:20:00 ER: you can bolt guns to anything!
04:20:14 IronyOwl: so does the organic size penalty apply to everything organic or only animal-like things?
04:20:17 Piecewise: hmm. I suppose I wouldn't need a big lab for that. I'd just need to have a seed of sorts that grew into the building
04:20:37 IronyOwl: like would the exact same tank need a bigger lab if it was made of meat or living wood?
04:20:38 Piecewise: Probably require a lot of raw meat to feed the thing
04:21:09 syv: "(
Devastator) to mad science a building, you need it already designed. and not yet built"
04:21:31 Devastator: everything organic.
04:21:43 Devastator: but not kaiju bits.
04:21:52 Devastator: wood and stuff won't count.
04:21:53 ER: can't mad scientists science up things that are built?
04:22:03 Devastator: yes, but you can't shove a building inside a lab.
04:22:13 Devastator: so I have to give you some way to do it.
04:22:39 ER: invent portable mad science equipment? :V
04:24:18 IronyOwl: never actually seen eva, what's that image of
pw?
04:25:00 Devastator: I dunno, I might decide it a different way in the future, thinking about it.
04:25:17 IronyOwl: couldn't mad scientists pay upkeep costs to come retrofit an existing building?
04:25:28 IronyOwl: it'd make it expensive, but doable if that's what you wanted done
04:25:30 Devastator: mostly don't want them to just mad science up someone's entire base, because that'd lead to a really stupid unpredictable self-own.
04:25:32 Piecewise: That image is of the Eva graveyard
04:25:42 syv: Could
Piecewise retrofit my small workship into a hive,
Dev?
04:25:48 IronyOwl: why do they have an eva graveyard?
04:26:00 Devastator: you could invite him to just design you one,
syv.
04:26:32 Piecewise: because they made a lot of mistakes irony, and they don't want the flesh of god running around to no landfill
04:26:33 Devastator: retrofitting a workshop is just overthinking things.
04:26:43 syv: But I don't have a hive design already made, and since you said MS need a design that already exists to MS it... well.
04:26:53 Devastator: but MSs can just research buildings.
04:26:55 Piecewise: I specified a bit in my turn in kaiju
04:26:58 Devastator: and they can work in someone else's lab.
04:27:36 IronyOwl: don't suppose they go into detail on what juicy, juicy mistakes they made?
04:27:53 syv: If you're curious you should probably just watch the show.
04:28:03 syv: Also I'd rather if this were taken to PMs?
04:28:05 Devastator: It wouldn't tell you anything, though.
04:28:05 IronyOwl: I should, but I know they won't actually have anything D:<
04:28:13 syv: I kinda intend to watch it eventually. Maybe.
04:28:25 Piecewise: Irony, they actually do talk a good deal about it
04:28:35 IronyOwl: well, better fire up those episodes at least
04:28:39 Devastator: all you need to know is there's an angsty magic kid and an evil guy with glasses and a pair of white gloves.
04:28:47 Piecewise: the show is pretty in depth; a lot of it is between the fights, focusing on characters and tech
04:28:57 IronyOwl: one of my favorite things
04:29:01 IronyOwl: even though I've never watched it
04:29:04 IronyOwl: hold on lemme find it
04:29:48 IronyOwl: but Gendo Ikari with a "World's Greatest Dad" mug
04:29:54 IronyOwl: just absolutely brilliant
04:30:59 IronyOwl: yeah that, but I've seen a way better picture
04:31:08 IronyOwl: like I think Shinji might be in the scene glaring at him
04:32:36 ER: heroic teenagers use amazing new powers to combat an extestential threat while having interpersonal dynamics [but grimdark]
04:34:53 ER: that's what [but grimdark] is for
04:35:16 Piecewise: Its not even grimdark its more just...realistic. They're basically child soldiers
04:35:27 IronyOwl: what was the other one just like that but I actually read it, Bokurano?
04:35:32 ER: are you tellin me child soliders aren't grimdark
04:35:49 Piecewise: Grimdark is a specific thing
04:36:07 Devastator: it's not that grimdark.
04:36:07 syv: Oh yeah,
Piecewise, in KCom you're free to come use my large laboratory for whatever you like if you want.
04:36:45 Piecewise: Hmmm can I do two researches like that?
04:37:03 syv: I think it's identical, just you can do a project of large size.
04:37:22 syv: Oh, and whatever results is left in my base.
04:37:32 syv: If it's actually something useful I'll pay for it. *Shrug*.
04:37:37 Piecewise: Well, I'll get the base research done for this stuff and then focus on making these...whats a good name...
04:37:51 ER: you can do a research for both halves of the month in someone's lab, paying upkeep only once
04:38:10 ER: but this is the second half of the month, so not this month
04:38:18 syv: Actually, leaving at all during the month incurs the cost.
04:38:43 syv: He already left to deliver the prions, so the only cost of using my lab is 20 credits, to fund the science, which I'd pay.
04:38:56 Devastator: but he's got orders to make a big lab at home.
04:39:06 syv: Damn. How'd you get that much money?
04:39:16 Piecewise: Irony bought my stuff!
04:40:04 Devastator: enough to upgrade it, no problem.
04:40:20 syv: Wow, didn't realize he paid you that much.
04:40:29 syv: Welp, no reason to use my base then/
04:40:44 Devastator: also, if he doesn't upgrade it now, has to wait to the next action phase.
04:41:41 IronyOwl: I only paid 180 I think, so less than a modern tank
04:43:13 syv: Yeah, Mad Science is ridiculously awesome.
04:43:20 syv: Long as ir doesn'r explode.
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04:44:16 Devastator: dang, didn't ask
syv about PS.
04:45:06 IronyOwl: I keep meaning to wander off but am now distracted by someone huffing paint
04:45:30 IronyOwl: (
dev linked me to beginner's guide to the end of the world)
04:45:46 IronyOwl: too late, curious where this is going
04:46:04 Piecewise: Not even once irony!
04:46:30 ER: go read unsounded instead, it's the best webcomic
04:47:06 Devastator: does unsounded have paint huffing?
04:47:59 IronyOwl: I started reading unsounded but never got very far
04:50:30 Piecewise: Unsounded feels like huffing paint
05:16:30 Devastator: thanks for stopping by.
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10:58:55 Devastator: lots of k-com talk.
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19:24:24 Devastator: had to work saturday.
19:24:34 Devastator: want to do k-com, but have a billion chores to do today.
19:27:16 Devastator: well, I'll get something done.
19:27:19 Devastator: how are you doing,
MJ?
19:29:12 MJ: Uhh, interestingly. Classes are going well and all that. I might just become much busier then usual fairlly soonish.
19:29:56 MJ: Got some complications that popped up with my reaserch so I might need to put it on hold and do something else, or just sprint for the finish line and hope it all works out.
20:13:35 MJ: so how exactlly does the game work?
20:14:08 MJ: and I assume the dude who's in first person is the main charecter you talk about?
20:14:58 Devastator: eh, it's not really big on gameplay.
20:15:03 Devastator: people do things, he writes stuff.
20:15:41 MJ: I see, but you mentioend the count having insane dice?
20:16:21 Devastator: that's just a story update.
20:16:30 Devastator: check the threadmarks button to see updates.
20:17:40 MJ: Ah cool, but yes this does seem like the kind of insanity that would thrive in a world like Warhammer
20:18:14 MJ: I'm sorta dissapointed that the count is not quite as gung ho as I expected.
20:18:28 Devastator: Also, I think the bit with the description of cauterization is not the worse pain he's suffered.
20:18:38 Devastator: well, to be fair, he's been through a lot.
20:19:38 Devastator: There's the one labelled battle of the bone gate, for about the only one where he didn't almost die.
20:20:07 MJ: This does sound entertaing.
20:20:49 MJ: Heh, for some reason thinking about that reminded me of inevitable defeat.
20:21:09 Devastator: THE IMPOSSIBLE HAPPENED there.
20:22:06 MJ: woah. I need to catch up then.
20:22:39 Devastator: well, the unit he was building finished.
20:24:01 Devastator: for the entire game.
20:24:22 MJ: Heh, I rember him starting that one,
20:25:28 Devastator: like eight years ago.
20:26:17 MJ: Yup, slower then real time for sure.
20:43:45 Devastator: (not actually eight years, btw.)
20:54:25 MJ: It does have some great lines. "The men can now open a ration pack without fear of being ambushed by a rancid tea-abomination, they are too busy celebrating this relief to do much fighting." Miller continued.
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