00:01:33 ER: Okay yeah, my chances will be better for less cost if I just buy two platoons.
00:04:01 ER: Pondering if I should stick with laser technicals or go for something else
00:04:14 Devastator: The choice is yours.
00:04:30 Devastator: Laser technicals sound like fun.
00:04:33 ER: Eh, should be a good platform for whatever energy-intensive weapon people come up with
00:04:55 ER: Maybe steal a mad scientist weapon for them.
00:05:41 Devastator: Only disappointed that you aren't going for catgirls. ;-p
00:06:19 ER: who knows, maybe I'll build fake hedgehogs.
00:06:51 ER: I'm saving my money for now because everything I build or buy is upkeep that I can spend later.
00:07:10 ER: and catgirls would require a medium lab ;P
00:08:01 Devastator: Do note that there will probably be an extra cost for human volunteers if you genemod people at the manufacturing stage.
00:08:07 Devastator: not a huge one, but something.
00:08:57 ER: Can I buy designs and build them at the workshop?
00:09:40 ER: you started us with small labs and medium workshops, so I can build a tank but not invent one...
00:10:21 ER: ...maybe I could Black Ops a modern tank blueprint from the US...? >_>
00:10:54 Devastator: easier to just buy one and do that.
00:22:48 ER: I get blueprints for things I buy?
00:23:26 Piecewise: I'm gonna try to play star sector and not get angry
00:24:43 ER: if buying something is enough to reproduce something, that means I can print platoons of humans from my medium workshop? :3
00:25:15 Devastator: Sure. They cost 50. ;-p
02:06:18 ER: can I research things secretly?
02:27:04 Piecewise: I dunno if this game is really for me
02:27:34 ER: well, just give me all your money and jump off a bridge
02:27:56 Piecewise: but then I'll never be a millionaire
02:30:38 Piecewise: I wonder if there's a way to stop games from showing up on my steam page
02:30:48 Piecewise: I'm not really interested in these gay anime sex games
02:31:22 ER: steam lets you filter out porn
02:31:31 ER: it's the default, I believe ;P
02:31:48 Piecewise: I don't mind porn, I just don't want buff guys
02:32:08 Piecewise: Admittedly 99% of all porn is garbage
02:32:47 Piecewise: Love at first sight is pretty cute...though its not porn
02:33:11 Piecewise: Although its clearly by the maker of that one game
02:33:26 ER: there are lots of one games
02:33:35 ER: I think the majority, really
02:33:37 Piecewise: Teaching feeling I think it is
02:34:31 ER: anyway, the fact that steam's store page keeps showing you gay porn means that The Algorithm is preeeeety sure you're gay
02:34:42 ER: so it must be true and you just haven't noticed.
02:36:25 Piecewise: it also keeps showing me sliding block puzzle porn and I hate sliding block puzzles
02:36:55 Piecewise: I'm not a silent hill resident
02:38:04 ER: steam shows me lots of stuff I don't want too, but I have pron turned off so it's mostly AAA junk~
02:38:46 Piecewise: Oh hey, Song of Saya is finally on steam
02:39:06 Piecewise: Its by the guy that made madoka
02:39:31 Piecewise: I don't remember who you are
02:39:37 ER: by which I mean I read it for a bit and then closed it
02:40:28 ER: do you play a VN? are they games?
02:40:37 ER: steam sells them so they much be games right
02:48:08 ER: that's my official position
03:20:22 Devastator: I don't really get it.
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03:47:49 Devastator: how are you doing today?
03:48:09 MidJag: not bad, got done with all my tests finnally.
03:48:17 Devastator: until the next round of tests.
03:48:30 MidJag: Yes, but that's a problem for future
MJ
03:49:27 Piecewise: I'm gonna change all my passwords randomly to fuck up future
piecewise up
03:53:53 Devastator: Finally got a couple days off.
03:54:17 Devastator: was supposed to have this week off.
03:54:55 Devastator: so worked through thursday.
03:59:19 Piecewise: You watched that movie?
03:59:24 Piecewise: I wouldn't recommend it
03:59:52 Devastator: I'll do Kaiju-Com saturday, prolly, though I might do it Friday if I get orders for everyone.
04:00:01 MidJag: Never heard of it. Unless your talking about The Thing.
04:00:32 Piecewise: I'm talking about THINGS
04:00:52 Piecewise: The official movie of Canada
04:01:15 MidJag: And wow, this looks awful.
04:01:37 Devastator: best parts, 8 minutes.
04:01:57 Piecewise: just to get all that definition
04:02:04 Devastator: I see what you mean.
04:02:05 MidJag: I'm somehow not suprised dubs
04:02:25 Piecewise: I mean, I have dick shark on dvd. thats a far worse movie
04:03:51 Piecewise: Its not porn, despite what you might think.
04:03:59 Piecewise: porn would be far less sleazy
04:04:00 Devastator: yes, that's quality.
04:04:10 ER: why we have this guy as our GM
04:04:26 Piecewise: To quote the screaming plasma ghost
04:04:31 Piecewise: You have made a mistake
04:04:36 MidJag: I am amazed that's not porn.
04:05:05 Devastator: Because he has too much of this stuff and it has to leak out?
04:05:23 Devastator: Also, absolutely canadian.
04:05:50 Devastator: I have been in that basement.
04:06:01 Piecewise: Its like 2 hours of some middle aged guy and some z-grade porn actress standing on a sheet in the woods, saying extremely boring things while he mechanically kneads her breasts.
04:06:07 Piecewise: I have no idea who it was made for
04:06:39 Piecewise: he didn't seem to be enjoying it, except in that he could make very lame sarcastic comments
04:06:52 Devastator: Oh my god those wall tiles!
04:07:01 Piecewise: the whole act of touching a girl's boobs seemed an after thought to him
04:07:11 MidJag: Also, I vote we do things as something for a movie night
04:07:35 Piecewise: Would it surprise you to learn that the main guy in things is the director?
04:07:37 Devastator: And that shower curtain.
04:07:46 Piecewise: Would it surprise you to learn he now makes music?
04:08:19 MidJag: I love how the music isn't even synched with the movie.
04:08:19 Devastator: You know what province that was shot in,
Piecewise?
04:08:41 Piecewise: Here is the music video
04:08:45 Piecewise: Lemme look it up
Dev
04:09:03 Devastator: That house is entirely standard mid-80s canadian furnishings.
04:09:40 Piecewise: Scarborough ontario canada
04:10:22 Devastator: That's exactly where it should have been shot.
04:10:37 ER: the director realized that it's legal to hire someone to have sex with them if you film and release it, and was so excited by his clever loophole that he forgot that he's asexual.
04:11:02 Piecewise: he's fuckign insufferable I can tell you that much
04:11:10 Piecewise: he thinks he's really clever
04:11:44 Piecewise: Things also has a porn actress in it
04:11:54 Piecewise: but she remains clothed the entire time
04:13:37 Piecewise: Also the sound in things isn't synced because they dubbed the movie all in one go
04:14:00 Piecewise: All the actors just stood around a single microphone and tried to say their lines in sync with their mouths on the film
04:14:25 MidJag: how and why do you know this?
04:15:38 Devastator: He was the cameraman.
04:18:07 Piecewise: Cinema sewer, an underground magazine I read, did an interview with him
04:18:36 Devastator: "Hi, would you please do an interview for Cinema Sewer?"
04:19:43 Piecewise: Reminds me I need to get volumes 4-6 of that
04:20:45 Piecewise: Killer Clowns from outer space is actually a pretty good movie if any of you guys ever get the chance to watch it
04:20:54 MidJag: I've heard of that one at least.
04:21:07 Devastator: I've been meaning to watch Conan at some point.
04:21:35 Piecewise: The newer one is apparently quite unintentionally funny
04:22:03 Devastator: Older one, because there was a lot of furore over it.
04:22:17 Piecewise: I think the conan fans don't like it
04:22:43 Piecewise: Arnie and James Earl Jones are both fun
04:24:18 Piecewise: what does the name mean anyways?
04:24:25 Piecewise: because I know what sounding is
04:24:41 ER: the unsounded is where the god live, supposedly
04:25:13 ER: ssael went there and killed the heck out of them, according to the minority religion
04:25:32 ER: and you can get there too when you die, if you're strong enough
04:25:48 Devastator: So.. you don't really die?
04:27:42 ER: well, humans don't. according to their own religion.
04:28:26 ER: when you die, all your memories get stripped away and stored forever in the khert
04:28:50 Piecewise: Sounds like the sound a dog makes when it sneezes
04:29:03 ER: they use "sounding" to find those memories and grab them, use them in artificial personalities
04:30:50 Piecewise: They do that by stickign stuff in their dick holes?
04:31:44 ER: I dunno, might involve that
04:35:33 Piecewise: It would be an interesting form of magic
04:37:27 ER: well, if the gods decided to stick a port in your pants you do what you've gotta.
04:41:12 ER: nah, looks like they're just on your spine normally, so it wouldn't make sense to stick something there if you want to sense the khert
04:42:22 Piecewise: Stole the chakras eh?
04:42:52 Devastator: Yeah, not convincing me to read that.
04:46:59 ER: don't read any of
PW's trash
04:47:30 Piecewise: "read this instead" was the thing I wanted him to read
04:48:18 Devastator: ..also, I think that was what, 3, 4 words made up on one page?
04:48:26 ER: all your games are trash and you're a failure as a person
04:48:50 ER: and your platic mechs look ugly
04:49:11 Piecewise: thats subjective. But I certainly am not skilled at making them
04:49:38 Piecewise: I'm also out of shape, sick, and socially awkward
04:50:14 Piecewise: I'll update Cabal and left hand path tomorrow
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04:59:42 ER: I wonder if
syv plans on updating ad and sophia on time. :P
05:02:06 Devastator: what's the deadline again?
05:02:42 Devastator: so an hour ago! ;-p
05:02:44 ER: it's been the 20th for an hour
05:02:46 Devastator: no wonder he isn't here.
05:03:01 ER: but he doesn't count until he goes to sleep ;P
05:04:09 Devastator: Sophia's up to four beers in a sitting.
05:04:13 Devastator is still hoping to see more.
05:06:42 Devastator: besides, it isn't at the point of absurdity yet.
05:09:02 Devastator: I'd like to see her, for instance, going to the movies and sneaking in like a bottle of vodka or something.
05:12:23 Devastator: Not necessarily to the point of comedy, but just enough to be wrong to an outside observer.
05:15:15 Devastator: I think that's part of the magical girl experience, really, there should be stuff like that where that's just the case.
05:15:36 Devastator: you know? You're a bit more real or less real or something than everything else.
05:39:04 Devastator: In truth I think all the characters should have stuff that just seems off like that.
05:41:19 Devastator: I guess sophia might just want to fit in.
05:44:54 Devastator: Alida wanted to be someone special, I think.
05:47:10 Devastator: ...sophia should go to the movies at some point.
05:47:19 Devastator: that something you'd be ok with?
05:50:16 Devastator: yeah, I suppose it'd be up to
paris.
06:11:39 ER: I was writing something for Refine, but it turns out that I was only inspired for the first part! :P
06:12:14 ER: mainly, I dunno what I should call magical girls in the myths. because magical girl still sounds silly to me
06:12:57 ER: but also: the actual term used by the edgy fiction I'm writing edgy fanfiction for
06:13:46 ER: which of course circles back round to man, maybe this whole thing is cringy as fuck
06:17:39 ER:
syv writes while he's offline everywhere, so I can't spy on him and ask if he's working on ada&sophia :V
06:18:57 ER: he also only show up here half an hour after I get tired and go to bed, but that's a seperate complaint
06:19:10 Devastator: yeah, he only shows up here pretty late.
06:19:19 Devastator: if he's busy he won't show up, though.
06:21:38 ER: a good name for a card based fighting game with weapons and magic like
syv's dark souls card game would be GREATSWORD
06:21:57 Devastator: Yes that is a good name.
06:22:18 ER: I don't have mechanics or anything, but I sure want to make something and name it that! :V
06:23:05 ER: also also also I'm going to bed so be ready for
syv to show up here in like 30 minutes.
06:23:42 Devastator: I did send him some kaiju-com stuff.
06:23:47 Devastator: so he might not be around tonight.
06:23:52 Devastator: or he might be more likely due to having questions.
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06:32:21 Devastator: was interested in Ada and Sophia.
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06:32:48 Devastator: I might run Kaiju-com on Saturday. I don't mind skipping a mad scientist so much, but I'd like to get all the orgs or at least four orgs before running a turn.
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06:34:50 Devastator: said he was coming back.
06:35:10 sy: Oh. Something notable; I'm never offline on Discord. It just says I'm offline 'cause I haven't opened the app in awhile.
06:35:46 sy: If you send me a DM, I still get a beep and notification, which I'll see if I look at my phone.
06:35:49 Devastator: that would involve me being on discord.
06:35:56 Devastator: but thanks for the notification.
06:36:12 sy: (I'm talking at
ER, who complained about being unable to contact me)
06:36:18 er: Ah, so checking if you're online before I bug you if pointless!
06:37:07 Devastator: just bug him whenever.
06:37:11 Devastator: thanks for coming by for me here, guys.
06:37:12 sy: Bay12 always says I'm offline, if I'm online on Discord it likely means I'm arguing sith someone or teaching someone, Steam always says I'm offline...
06:37:22 er: Heh, I guess I could text you. Didn't think about it.
06:37:30 sy: I don't mind being bugged by a friend though, if you wanna poke and ask me whatever, feel free.
06:37:41 sy: If I don't answer I'm probably asleep.
06:38:46 syv: As for PS... I'm two days late for the main thread, one day for PM thread. I had a meltdown yesterday trying to do main.
06:39:03 syv: Slept in today, so I might do something, we'll see.
06:39:06 Devastator: well, no worries, really.
06:39:17 er: Ah, so, I really like what's been going on in Unsounded the past few pages.
06:39:59 er: Delightful interface screwery that one might not even notice, but is nicely creepy.
06:40:07 syv: I'll catch up on the last bits after I do PS things. :P
06:40:53 syv: "Creepy" reminds me. Dubs was talking about Ray-kbys' VNs in the logs, which is very relevant to me.
06:41:21 syv: He seemed to imply Teaching Feeling was bad, which is notable to me since I bookmarked it like three days ago.
06:41:59 syv: Ray-kbys is a Japanese artist whose art ranges from "Awww!" to "Oh god my soul hurts now burn it BURN IT"
06:42:39 syv: Right in between is a very neat area where it's deeply unsettling but also kinda cute, and he does that specific emotion better than any other artist I've seen.
06:43:47 syv: Of his two VNs, I've only read LaFS, which is a pretty generic and simple story (which cheered me up a bit anyway), just drawn in his standard style which seems vastly more appropriate for lovecraftian horror.
06:44:47 syv: I was about 70% through by the time I became sure that the heroine wasn't going to explode into tentacles and insect parts. :P
06:46:24 Devastator: got a link to an Awww?
06:46:27 syv: Anyway, he draws plenty of porn that is sufficiently advanced, so if Teaching Feeling is more in that direction than in LaFS's direction... well, I wouldn't want to try it, and asking Dubs would be a quick answer to that question. Albeit followed by him being annoying.
06:46:35 syv: Uhh. I can get one quickish.
06:48:54 Devastator: no worries, unless you've got one ready.
06:49:07 Devastator: just want to see the style and I don't want anything soul-burning.
06:50:01 er: If you don't want soul burning, what are you doing here
06:50:02 syv: See, you say that just after I selected two that are a little off-style. :P
06:51:40 Devastator: I got my soul-burning in
ER.
06:52:39 syv: This is precisely on-style but is less cute.
06:53:07 er: More specifically, why are you in PS, a game about causing your own soul to combust for fun and profit.
06:53:22 syv: This is off-style, but the only anime I've seen you post is of dog eared girls, and that's the best he's done there.
06:54:19 Devastator: maybe I should see if I can find a pic for saeko.
06:54:45 syv: ...One more, because I find its contrast with everything else he draws amusing.
06:54:46 Devastator: Also, I'm in PS so
syv has a harder time killing all his players. ;-p
06:56:17 syv: But yeah, most of what he draws is either pornographic, involves someone with severe and disturbing injuries, or features monstrous designs. Sometimes all three, which is upsetting, except then he throws cute into the mix and it just becomes confusing to me.
06:57:09 Devastator: so don't look at his stuff then.
06:57:14 Devastator: he's a
PW-style artist.
06:57:59 syv: Guess I have the same disturbing weirdness as
Piecewise, which... yeah, not surprising.
06:58:13 syv: I just rub other people's faces in it less often.
07:01:44 syv: Oh, one other thing.
ER, I found this awhile ago, thought you might like it.
07:01:47 Devastator: eh, I guess I've just got my own kbrand of madness.
07:02:18 syv: I thiiink that might be too much muscle for you? Are you a temmie...?
07:06:33 Devastator: dunno, we'll see once he's got a medium lab in Kaiju-com. ;-p
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07:34:13 ER: dunno, that level of muoosles is kinda more showoffy than functional, isn't it?
07:35:02 syv: Ahh, so you want strong, violent women who *aren't* scary.
07:35:31 ER: why punch hard enough to dismember people when you can be like half as strong and use a knife?
07:35:40 ER: that's using your giant ape brain!
07:35:58 ER: well, why not use a knife. ;V
07:36:12 Devastator: or why not club hard enough so that reality dissassociates and your target ceases to exist? ;-p
07:36:43 ER: because then you'd need to be the lame healer class
07:36:52 syv: You learn to punch hard because always having a weapon is difficult, and also because it's safer to train than stabbing things.
07:37:40 Devastator: well, always having a weapon isn't difficult, it's just uncommon.
07:37:47 Devastator: carrying a knife at all times isn't really impossible.
07:38:24 syv: You can be disarmed, or caught with it difficult to draw rapidly.
07:38:32 ER: also, I'm probably slightly more of a dex build than a str build irl
07:38:38 syv: Often you don't even want to stab people either, because stabbing is lethal.
07:39:21 Devastator: knife MG would be something.
07:39:33 Devastator: if my backup wasn't going to use pokeballs that would be a good choice.
07:39:55 syv: One of the future witches was TK + TM + knife totem.
07:40:01 ER: I don't tend to run into things that I *can't* lift if I try properly, which is good enough for me.
07:41:01 Devastator: was? That one cancelled?
07:41:30 syv: "Was" as in "when she was a magical girl".
07:42:29 ER: "canceled" is one way to call it
07:44:43 syv: "Life sucks. They keep canceling my favorite shows, and my favorite people."
07:45:12 syv: I hope they cancel Trump, soon.
07:46:10 Devastator: You know why I used 'cancel'
07:46:17 Devastator: but do you really kill witches?
07:46:33 syv: Depends on your definition of "kill".
07:47:14 syv: I'm sure I've heard definitions which wouldn't include what one does to witches.
07:48:45 ER: eternal life as a gestalt in someone else's mind
07:49:10 ER: the fact that the chain could go back thousands of years is interesting
07:49:32 Devastator: It might, but.. we haven't gathered any memories containing other memories yet.
07:49:41 Devastator: All goes back to a tiger kittne.
07:51:04 ER: well, I figure if you want to murder Hannah you might see something interesting.
07:51:24 syv: Lucy's second memory contained a part of Izzy's memories, didn't it?
07:51:33 Devastator: Not to my knowledge.
07:52:19 syv: First bit is gold, then orange.
07:53:19 syv: That scene holds in my brain well, as it was one of the first scenes I came up with for her, and importantly, defines memories as being able to be passed on through other memories.
07:54:53 Devastator: welp, I doubt whoever consumes Alida will get that bit, though.
07:55:01 Devastator: probably lots of stuff involving wolves.
07:56:29 ER: dunno how memories are selected on a uh, techical level, but I'd bet if it happens to go deep enough it'll be important enough to almost certainly be included.
07:57:02 ER: whoever consumes Alida won't see that memory because it's not important to Alida.
07:57:24 Devastator: Maybe a bit, it's family.
07:57:28 Devastator: but she has her own family.
07:57:40 ER: But imagine if the information at the bottom of the stack were, let's say, revelatory
07:59:05 syv: Cosmologically speaking, memories are selected on the basis of being important to that person. Something they valued, mulled over, and thought was important. Functionally speaking, memories are created on the basis of what flows decently and hits the points that I want to hit. :P
08:00:07 syv: They pretty much always are post-MG as well, because humans are boring and don't matter.
08:00:11 ER: "and with fire, came disparity."
08:00:17 syv: No cosmological reason for that.
08:00:27 syv: But yes! I like that bit of lore.
08:00:35 ER: maybe humans are cosmologically boring and unimportant!
08:01:12 syv: They're more cosmologically important than cats
08:01:22 syv: And I would never call cats unimportant.
08:01:46 ER: Maybe I should give that one MG who made penultimate Important wish a name in the myth.
08:03:02 ER: I mean, not the literal sun.
08:03:03 syv: ...Man that pun works on too many levels.
08:03:44 ER: the sun would be the ultimate important wish, not the penultimate one
08:04:57 ER: I mean, I could just make her Madoka
08:05:21 ER: the idea is she was powerful enough to make a new universe, but chose different.
08:05:35 ER: Emi's a cyborg, not a magical girl
08:06:04 Devastator: "I wish I was a cyborg with awesome cyborg powers."
08:08:40 ER: also, the implication is that the sun might represent whoever made this universe
08:13:36 ER: also I'm dumb and don'y know what these names mean, if anything
08:14:20 ER: or how Solyra is a pun at all, other than including the word "sun"
08:18:10 syv: Sol -> Sun, and Soul. "Solyra" - > "Solaire" + a feminine "-a" suffix. Also Lyra is a feminine name.
08:18:35 syv: Lyra also means harp, so it reads as soul harp, which... sounds appropriate to me.
08:18:59 syv: Finally, Lyra was a char of Leng, so bonus "piss off
Dev" points~
08:19:37 ER: yeah, maybe keep that name on hand for the sun itself.
08:21:35 ER: thank the sun that I posted in time
08:21:41 Devastator: Leng would be pissed at it.
08:21:50 Devastator: that's her name, you can't take it!
08:22:54 ER: maybe I should look at TH now. Naaaah~
08:33:35 ER: okay, at least have all the action quotes lined up so that's done
08:35:40 ER: I posted it last friday, and last friday I figured I'd contenue it next friday at latest, so technically I'm still on track! ;P
08:38:18 ER: combat turns are supposed to go quickly even if it means not putting much effort into them, but... well you're not getting into the fight and Scribe needs a non-combat turn... ;v
08:42:28 ER: ...oh yeah, kinda wanted to do a spot of Fun ada and sophia roleplaying, but I didn't.
08:43:27 ER: my PMs are on a new page with just Kaijucom stuff and I've gotta click back to find PS stuff. life is so hard ;-;
08:57:45 ER: it's a fine song for foolish scince
08:58:08 Devastator: there will be parts on the black market sooner.
09:01:15 ER: hmm,
ER's leader should have a name. How about Emilia Rosencrantz?
09:01:42 syv: Hey Eggo, do you want to team a bit for Kaiju com?
09:02:17 ER: If you like, though
ER is a bit of a paranoid intelligence agency.
09:03:05 ER: I don't plan on doing giant armies and stuff, so working with a military perk orginization is good.
09:03:25 syv: I plan to fill my transport space with units.
09:03:31 syv: ...
Dev! Can we share transports?
09:03:43 syv:
ER's only building infantry, so he has 1x medium space spare.
09:03:47 Devastator: No, I'm afraid not.
09:04:01 Devastator: I might change my mind on that later, but for bookeeping, I'd really rather not.
09:04:17 Devastator: what if one gets shot down?
09:04:46 syv: Then the people inside die, I'd assume.
09:04:54 Devastator: I meant after unloading.
09:05:23 syv: No clue, but you have the same trouble regardless of whose transport it is, if they had it packed.
09:05:35 syv: I'd assume the transports would make multiple trips.
09:05:36 ER: I thought that I had a transport plane with 2x medium spots, and am buying two infantry platoons with a medium size each
09:06:06 ER: I didn't check if the barracks can hold two, actually.
09:06:07 Devastator: Yeah, that seems accurate.
09:06:12 Devastator: barracks can only hold one, though.
09:06:36 syv:
Dev, can we sell things we construct?
09:06:38 Devastator: only one turn, so you can build more.
09:06:47 Devastator: Yeah, but you won't get much money for it.
09:06:51 Devastator: just drop the maintenance.
09:06:51 syv: If I built planes, could I sell them to people without the ability to build planes?
09:06:57 Devastator: expect 0 from that list.
09:06:58 syv: No, I mean to other players/
09:07:06 Devastator: You guys can make whatever deals you want.
09:07:07 ER: dammit, that basically doubles infantry's cost
09:07:19 Devastator: Replacements are still 50!
09:07:21 ER: and... doesn't do anything more interesting than doubling the cost
09:07:40 Devastator: Nah, it does other stuff.
09:07:43 Devastator: when.. things.. happen.
09:08:12 syv: Oh, hey. Small units don't require a hanger, while medium units do.
09:08:30 syv: So squads cost half as much as platoons.
09:08:46 Devastator: infantry units take a barracks space for either one.
09:08:57 Devastator: same for genemodded units.
09:09:20 Devastator: one barracks space until you've got a genemodded unit bigger than fitting in a medium lab.
09:09:37 Devastator: If you do, you need to research a new barracks for it.
09:09:40 syv: ...
ER, you've got a PM about what that intel hub said, right?
09:09:48 syv: I got my information from the proving ground.
09:11:14 ER: Don't have much information yet, really.
09:11:22 Devastator: It'll come in over time.
09:11:47 ER: more information on my own capabilities and what sort of things intel briefings will get me
09:11:57 syv: I got a lot of great information.
09:12:07 Devastator: Yours is a little more frontloaded.
09:12:10 syv: Full statlist for everything plus information on what those stats mean.
09:12:14 Devastator: it'll be useful over time, but intel builds ion intel.
09:12:35 ER: dammit, that's basically what I wanted to research at start and
dev said no. :P
09:13:01 Devastator: you could buld the base level military building.
09:13:22 Devastator: you won't get as much info, but you'll get better info.
09:13:32 syv: I just offered to tell you right out, if you share stuff with me.
09:13:34 ER: and I have my buddy
syv here who I can trade intel with~
09:13:40 syv: Hell, I'd settle for advice really.
09:13:57 syv: Also, if you deal with me, you get my opinions and advice on how to interpret stuff too!
09:14:11 Devastator: oh, you can trade stuff between players so long as each player has the storage space.
09:14:16 syv: Also, like,
Dev sent the stuff in a jumble and I formatted it.
09:14:18 ER: so far, I only know about the PC orginizations and the funding council. More will come up later.
09:14:58 ER: And I have the power to infiltrate those orginizations and do *various things* with them, not quite sure yet.
09:15:15 Devastator: There's other stuff too.
09:15:23 ER: also, think I just passively get techs from other players.
09:15:46 Devastator: You can get information from them, but you can't just steal techs from other players.
09:16:04 ER: "Free tech will be coming from other players."
09:16:37 Devastator: well, I musta said that wrong then.
09:16:44 Devastator: because I know what will be coming in like that.
09:17:24 ER: I don't know much more than that at the moment,
syv
09:17:47 syv: Promise to share advice if you get useful information? I'll send you a PM if so.
09:18:19 ER: define "useful information"
09:18:43 syv: "Information that might reasonably affect what decisions one makes"
09:19:08 syv: Definitely warnings of anything dangerous to me, preferably also warnings about opportunities that more than one person can take advantage of.
09:19:32 ER: Well, I won't promise to share information that would cause you to make bad decisions! :3
09:19:57 ER: I'll warn you if it's something dangerous to you.
09:23:18 ER: hey
Dev, do you think we need to CC you in seekret communications?
09:23:34 Devastator: If it's got in-game stuff it'd be nice.
09:23:44 Devastator: but nah, I dont' care about chatter or information exchanges.
09:25:22 ER:
Devastator, would you mind putting buildings and stuff in the OP?
09:25:35 Devastator: yeah, I'll probably collate that stuff after the next update.
09:46:46 syv: I can buy units then trade them to other players for 25% off.
09:47:02 syv: The other player will have to pay full upkeep, but it's still a benefit.
09:47:08 Devastator: sure.. for infantry..
09:47:25 syv: Didn't you say you'd make that apply to all units?
09:47:35 syv: Because just making it apply to infantry is near worthless?
09:49:27 Devastator: You can do better than basic stuff without much work anyway.
09:50:36 syv: Does my discount only apply to basic stuff?
09:51:27 ER: better use it to spam elite infantry!
09:51:39 syv: Will it apply to basic units modified by research? Like infantry equipped with lasers?
09:51:52 Devastator: Yeah, you'd be able to buy more gear.
09:52:09 Devastator: ie, the infantry using them would be cheaper.
09:52:21 Devastator: but as for the others, well, you'll have to see.
09:52:23 Devastator: depends on what it is.
09:52:46 syv: So I could in theory develop a cheaper plane, which is actually more expensive for me to build because basic planes get a discount.
09:52:59 syv: I imagine my cheapo plane would get more of a price reduction... but srill.
09:54:02 Devastator: your researched stuff gets no discount.
09:55:53 syv: If I researched how to build a cheaper plane, it wouldn't be cheaper than just building the basic plane?
09:56:31 Devastator: Couple of steps there first.
09:56:42 Devastator: or go straight for the goal.
09:56:51 Devastator: but be clear what you want.
09:57:07 syv: Uh. Okay. So, my basic first research goal is "improved transport".
09:57:19 ER: but it would still be useful because I could steal your designs and build cheaper planes myself~
09:57:19 syv: Everything needs transport, so this is a safe bet on something useful.
09:57:32 syv: I'll just give the design to you tho
09:58:00 syv: Transport can either transport more for the same cost, or transport the same for less cost, while being cheaper. Both have pros and cons, both would work.
09:58:31 ER: build a unit delivery cannon
09:58:49 Devastator: although 'improved' is pretty vague. That's leaving me a lot of leeway to choose what that means..
09:59:22 syv: But, if I developed a plane that costs 115 points, and transports 2, that makes it more expensive to build (for me) than buying the basic plane, which costs ~112.
09:59:50 syv: So it's a 35 point cost reduction for everyone else who I give the design, a 3 point cost hike for me.
10:00:00 syv: Plus, having to have a large workshop.
10:00:35 syv: Henve, it'd be possible to design a cheap plane which is more expensive than yhe normal plane despite being cheaper.
10:01:36 ER: easy solution: "it only works for infantry" ;P
10:01:54 Devastator: yeah, I might just do that.
10:02:05 Devastator: but eh, I'll let
syv get his discount for at least this turn.
10:02:07 syv: I was going to be more specific,
Dev.
10:02:16 syv: I'm just pointing out odd consequences.
10:02:51 syv: It's best for me--not necessarily for the team--to design addon things, which can be strapped to the basic units.
10:03:06 syv: Also, if a cheaper design gives more than 25% discount, it's still beneficial for me.
10:03:18 Devastator: enough k-com stuff.
10:03:22 syv: Laser technicals are a terrible idea.
10:03:43 ER: Can we get to the point where governments are building and using our designs?
10:03:59 ER: then we'd be able to buy from them and get the discount.
10:04:45 ER: laser technicals are the best idea
10:11:21 Devastator: chargin' mah lazer.
10:50:23 ER: have you ever thought about what the wolf ring in DS1 is actually supposed to do?
10:50:36 ER: i think of it as a pain tolerance ring
10:50:59 ER: doesn't reduce the damage you take, but it makes you not flinch from small things
10:53:39 ER: ...guess it fits with knight Artorias fighting on with a broken arm
10:54:00 ER: anyway, I need to close my eyes now. thanks.
10:55:13 syv: That's probably correct, yeah.
10:55:47 syv: Artorias' set actually has rather poor poise. Ornstein's set is better, and heavier. Which is clear from their fighting animations.
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15:25:23 Piecewise: Nice to see hotfire is attempting to basically wrassle a plane
17:06:28 Devastator: yeah, notice those orders.
17:13:44 Devastator: that's.. concise and accurate.
17:14:22 Devastator: lemme know if you want through.
17:38:36 Devastator: wow, we should keep some hospital gas around for tactical use for fern.
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19:22:40 er: She appears to have hit the sweet spot where she Knows things, but isn't trying to suck dry an innocent perceptoid anymore.
19:22:59 Devastator: the sweet spot is the spot where you suck them dry.
19:23:03 Devastator: after all, they don't really die.. ;-p
19:39:22 er: Just because death is impossible doesn't make murder acceptable.
19:40:28 Devastator: eh, it's just being rude!
19:40:46 er: Sides, we don't know enough about furlers to say for sure what happens to them when the "die", if such a concept applies at all.
19:41:21 er: What we do know is that that wasn't a very amicable transfer.
19:42:00 er: Also, it would have killed Fern if she were alone.
19:43:53 Devastator: man,
syv sent me a lot of text about kaiju-com.
19:44:16 Devastator: the patented walls-o-text.
19:46:48 Devastator: I'm sorry if it delays PS some.
22:06:10 Devastator: "My mapping device has 'lifetime' map updates. When I read the documentation, I find that the "lifetime" of the device ends when they stop providing map updates."
22:10:26 Devastator: Incredibly dickish, but undeniably true.
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