00:13:26 Devastator: I see I need to redefine mad science facility.
00:45:04 Devastator: There anything I can do in Cabal,
Piecewise?
00:45:17 Devastator: or is it just 'go up and hope the cavern collapsers win'
00:47:59 Piecewise: Well, you do have a big magical animal with you
00:48:05 Piecewise: you could ask it do do things
00:48:28 Devastator: Yeah, but can only get like 4 or 5 mana out of it. Can do the same with my guards.
00:49:06 Devastator: Probably drain one guard and watch with the spyglass. I take it they failed to hide from buggy?
00:49:53 Devastator: I'll think about it.
00:50:22 Devastator: ..yeah, really can't drain Benedict, he was already drained before going down.
00:51:07 Devastator: and I can't exactly carry him up.
00:53:41 Piecewise: Have him try to collapse some rocks?
00:54:18 Devastator: Oh that, yeah, would make sense.
00:54:24 Devastator: Yeah, I'll do that.
01:08:02 Devastator: 100 feet up, a few miles to go.
01:13:28 Piecewise: Does my cryptic reference before this started make sense yet?
01:14:51 Devastator: still doesn't make sense.
01:15:21 Devastator: gonna need it laid out in words.
01:21:06 Devastator: enough naked robots already.
01:21:17 Piecewise: Hey, she's not naked
01:21:43 Devastator: Also one of those games where you're supposed to play it like 11 times because it couldn't tell its story through one playthrough.
01:21:52 Piecewise: also, you fell for the Yoko Taro mind game!
01:22:16 Piecewise: I mean, it does have 26 endings
01:22:39 Piecewise: however, its not like a lot of games that ask you to play through multiple times
01:22:49 Piecewise: for the major endings at least, it changes each time
01:23:04 Piecewise: you play as different characters, through different stories
01:23:17 Piecewise: or different possible stories
01:25:24 Devastator: I know it's okay for that, I just don't have any real desire to play it for gameplay, or story.
01:26:40 Devastator: so the only reasons left are 'because people nagged me' or 'naked robots'
01:31:00 Piecewise: The naked robots are a Yoko taro mind game
01:31:31 Devastator: so they're only naked in my mind?
01:32:08 Piecewise: Nah, its a way to out people who never played the game
01:32:58 Piecewise: anyone who says the game is all about sexualizing the robots clearly never played the game, because 2b is never actually sexualized once in the entire game.
01:33:27 Piecewise: In fact the game is a tragic lovestory when it comes down to it
01:33:28 Devastator: ..I never pretended to play it.
01:33:44 Piecewise: Nah, not saying you did
01:34:05 Devastator: I thought it was a story-driven game about tragic suffering that had relatively weak gameplay and pointlessly naked robots.
01:34:16 Devastator: and hid all the content in follow-up playthroughs.
01:34:22 Piecewise: Actually the gameplay is pretty good
01:34:47 Piecewise: pretty deep combo system with customizable attributes through data chips
01:35:14 Devastator: yeah, not my kind of stuff.
01:35:16 Piecewise: you can even do things like switch out the chips that give you a HUD or visible health bar if you really want that attack chip
01:35:42 Piecewise: It has a hacking system thats a shoot em up
01:36:05 Devastator: yeah, sounds modern RPG.
01:36:15 Piecewise: But no, in terms of gameplay its done by studio platinum
01:37:24 Piecewise: famous for bayonetta, revengence, and a bunch of other very well received action games.
01:37:39 Piecewise: definitely taro's best playing game
01:37:42 Devastator: Yeah, definately skipping then.
01:38:20 Devastator: I don't like third-person action based around unlocks and combos.
01:38:34 Devastator: It's just.. never been my thing since Devil May Cry.
01:42:01 Piecewise: I mean, devil may cry is actually a really bad example to go with
01:42:19 Piecewise: I don't like devil may cry either
01:42:32 Piecewise: Because DMC is based entirely around building up a big combo
01:42:51 Piecewise: its just a system to look fancy with
01:43:31 Piecewise: Most action games have combos, but they're not super huge things you have to memorize like a guitar riff
01:44:12 Piecewise: as per unlocks...did dark souls strike you as a game based around unlocks?
01:44:13 Devastator: I'm using that as an example of the first real third-person action game with a combo system I can think of..
01:44:26 Devastator: To a small degree, yeah.
01:44:39 Devastator: Much less than average, though.
01:47:05 Piecewise: Think of automata in the same context
01:47:16 Piecewise: you get new stuff that can help, but you don't have to use it
01:47:22 Piecewise: and you can just upgrade stuff
01:47:37 Piecewise: its not hard locked unlocks or whatever
01:48:02 Devastator: I mean, that's better I suppose?
01:48:07 Devastator: but then why not just give you it?
01:48:19 Piecewise: Not telling you to play it, just trying to make sure you don't have a wrong idea of what it is
01:48:34 Devastator: What's different about it, other than the story focus?
01:48:46 Devastator: I mean, you're telling me the gameplay is great, but then comparing it to games that I don't really like.
01:49:16 Devastator: Saying it's better than these very popular games that you thought were kinda samey and meh isn't that much.
01:49:40 Piecewise: Gameplay is good for an action game with light RPG elements. And its far better put together mechanically than something like drakengard which was very grindy and simplistic
01:49:51 Piecewise: if you're not into that kind of thing though
01:50:04 Devastator: Drakengard was fucking terrible, but I can appreciate that sort of thing in a kinda zen mode.
01:50:13 Piecewise: I mean i can't tell good RTS from bad RTS because I don't like either
01:53:14 Devastator: Nah, it would be like DS III. I'd play it, have some fun, do okay, but a large chunk of the game would be tedium I don't care about.
01:53:36 Devastator: I'd be fighting with blindness and a third-person perspective the whole time.
01:58:13 Devastator: I just don't feel there's much of a fun ground between being a rythm game player (do everything locked on hitting things solely on timing) or frantically button-mashing for the win.
02:00:59 Devastator: The ones I do like, like say Rogue Legacy, are all 2d ones where I can see everything and feel like I'm really controlling my character, not doing animations or taking turns.
02:01:24 Devastator: I should give that another play.
02:04:46 Devastator: and how to do action.
02:13:21 Devastator: ..come to think of it, I really do mostly level 0 runs of RL because I just want action and not unlocks..
02:13:42 Devastator: not good enough to win.
02:24:20 Devastator: Just feeling better.
02:24:28 Devastator: worried desperately about fucking up kaiju-com.
02:24:37 Devastator: but telling myself it's ok.
02:27:33 Devastator: Thanks for the good advice,
Piecewise.
02:27:36 Devastator: about not reading your own games.
02:36:41 Piecewise: Never look at anything you have created
02:36:53 Devastator: That explains that game.
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03:08:39 ER: will the side of humanity grow stronger the more players there are,
Dev?
03:08:49 ER: or are we... competing for resources?
03:09:16 Devastator: In general you'll be better off, but it's more that there will be more resources on the other side.
03:09:32 Devastator: more, if you co-operate and coordinate, will be a lot better.
03:09:42 Devastator: however some of your efforts will be wasted simply because of necessary duplication.
03:10:20 ER: if we work together? by gods, we're doomed.
03:11:07 Devastator: of course you're doomed, it's a game by me.
03:11:50 ER gives speech about the indomitability of the human spirit or something
03:15:31 ER: I wonder if there's a way to get nvidia driver updates automatically without having to use this awful software that makes me sign in every time.
03:37:17 Devastator: looks better than fallout 76
03:40:58 Devastator: now.. will it be wrecked by microtransactions?
03:41:58 Piecewise: I still wait to see what it is in the end
03:42:18 ER: what I linked seems to be a chunk of gameplay
03:42:25 ER: I'm still going through it but
03:42:37 ER: what it is is what I linked, I think
03:43:46 ER: so far, looks like a "stacking shit on Sam's back simulator"
03:45:57 ER: showing off them "fuck I'm carrying so much heavy shit" animations
03:46:38 Piecewise: I'm interested in it, but I'm staying away from hype
03:47:34 ER: man literally covered in boxes
03:48:43 Devastator: sometimes projects lie.
03:49:19 ER: I'm safe, I can never be as hyped as I was for Spore~
03:49:36 ER: and any amount of hype less than that is like, acceptable
03:50:31 Devastator: I got hit twice.. Civilization III and MoO III.
03:50:34 Devastator: but mostly the latter.
03:51:19 ER: I was also young and stupid enough to not realize for a while that what I got WASN'T the thing I'd been looking forwards to. :P
03:52:08 Devastator: No such luxry there.. you couldn't not know it with MoO 3.
03:53:28 ER: magic bottle that absorbs water and transforms it into energy drink, according to the flavor text
03:57:06 Piecewise: Death stranding is either gonna be pure kino or really bad
03:57:44 Devastator: coinflip says good.
03:58:13 Piecewise: I do look forward to seeing all the obsessive loresmiths proven wrong regardless
03:59:15 ER: loresmiths whacking at their lore at their lore anvils with their lore hammers
04:00:15 ER: ...is the game world supposed to be the entire US?
04:03:14 ER: you can use the ladder that another player placed in the world, then upvote their ladder placement.
04:04:36 ER: you can level up your boots, presumably
04:04:51 ER: (because they start at level 1) :P
04:18:22 ER: looks like a fun game of inventory management and walking
04:18:40 ER: which isn't being sarcastic, I like those things
04:20:48 Piecewise: This game is just gonna be like...hell is overlappign with earth or something
04:21:22 ER: hell is made of fiber optics
04:22:11 Devastator: so like one of your games? ;-p
04:22:28 ER: you can take the cargo off of your hover pallet and use it as a skateboard
04:22:55 Devastator: looks like lots of mad scientists.
04:23:03 Devastator: including a drug maker and a drug seller organization.
04:23:07 Devastator: That should work. ;-p
04:23:33 ER: which is about what I'd expect from a two class game ;P
04:23:54 ER: if not people going for whichever is coolest
04:24:59 Devastator: I wouldn't want more than 2:1, and some scientists might have issues with funding, (or some orgs might have issues with funding), but 6-4 should be ok.
04:25:18 Devastator: few scientists might mean trouble with whacky research.
04:25:44 Devastator: although I think I'd want at least 3 of them regardless of org count, so they can move around some.
04:27:27 Devastator: plus, being players, if there's only 1 or 2 they might 'team up' and lots of people will have to go mostly without them.
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04:28:32 Devastator: anyway, I'll get things rolling on Saturday afternoon or so.
04:30:48 Devastator: god, going to be hard explaining how the closet full of lawyers makes your laser cannon better. ;-p
04:39:20 ER: grenades that draw your own blood before being thrown
04:40:53 ER: Yeah, Hematic grenades which work on supernatural beasties
04:42:48 Devastator: There is also going to be some competition for resources.
04:43:03 Devastator: to do research projects you need a lead scientist, be it a mad one or otherwise.
04:43:22 Devastator: everyone will get one for free, and others will come up for auction now and again.
04:43:26 Devastator: usually for contracts.
04:44:29 Devastator: Some other stuff similar to that.
04:44:38 Devastator: but with more people around there will be more money, and probably some more of that.
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04:46:05 Devastator: probably 3-part turns. Purchases, research, and action, and then next month.
04:48:09 Devastator: maybe combine research and action into one.
04:49:16 Devastator: yeah, that'd be quicker.
05:21:11 Devastator: wouldn't mind getting some equipment examples from
syv.
05:21:27 Devastator: eh, I'll just make everything generic.
05:22:01 ER: anything smaller than rifles shouldn't be very relevant anyways
05:22:55 Devastator: but wouldn't mind having two tanks to stat up.
05:23:02 Devastator: "Modern Tank" and "Obsolete Tank."
05:23:38 ER: one is made of cardboard and the other is a god
05:23:48 ER: if my understanding of tanks is correct
05:24:35 Devastator: Also, the obsolete one will almost certainly be the better choice.
05:25:01 Devastator: Except some Kaiju ranged weapons might not kill the modern one.
05:25:26 Devastator: Also need an APC and a couple of "Trucks with Heavy Weapons"
05:25:45 Devastator: techincals, basically.
05:26:16 Devastator: I have an armed and unarmed helicopter, an armed and unarmed air transport, and a second-line fighter jet.
05:26:25 Devastator: Hey, sounds like a possibility.
05:27:34 Devastator: heavy conventional bombers aren't available, they're the next size up from "Large."
05:28:15 ER: what do you mean, not available?
05:28:57 Devastator: you need a hangar for it.
05:29:04 Devastator: and some stuff, like nukes, aren't for sale.
05:30:12 Devastator: But yeah, heavy bombers are relics of the cold war, not normally for sale. The surviving ones are basically irreplaceable, ATM.
05:31:29 Devastator: Get a fighter jet, buy the armed varient of your air transport, rig it into a bomber, or bite the bullet and build the hangar and try to buy one.
05:32:47 Devastator: aircraft aren't going to be cheap, but won't cost billions.
05:32:50 ER: or just build missile artillery :P
05:33:03 Devastator: Arty guns are for sale.
05:33:36 ER: or go the stupid expensive route and put tungsten telephone poles in orbit
05:33:43 Devastator: I also have a MRLS, and some genericized 'rocket launchers' (covering ATGMs, RPGs, Recoilless Rifles)..
05:34:10 Devastator: And statting up other stuff is pretty easy.
05:35:31 Devastator: Basically, if a superpower's second-rate ally can buy one, so can you, or if an african warlord can have one, so can you. Plus a couple exceptions for stuff like the armed transport, because it's not really a secret or an actual threat to a real air power.
05:36:00 Devastator: The black market will have some stuff you normally can't get, and some stuff you can, that's cheaper.
05:37:35 ER: nah, I'll buy toyotas and bolt giant experimental rifles to the beds
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05:37:47 Devastator has no issues with that.
05:38:09 Devastator: no, it's on the main forum.
05:38:28 ER: May as well use cheap and fast civilian options if the enemy can crush tanks under its feet.
05:38:56 MidJag: I'm diong Mad scientest
05:38:56 Devastator: Although not all attacks are completely unstoppable.
05:39:13 MidJag: Because I am pyscholigcally incapable of not picking that option~
05:40:11 Devastator: There will be some AoE attacks and such that tank armour can hold up to.
05:41:09 ER: Also I don't have money or military perks so I'll probably cheap out on anything I need for direct combat.
05:41:33 Devastator: you'll have some bucks.
05:41:42 Devastator: the base pay is.. pretty good.
05:41:48 MidJag: Can I do like a gene mod thing?
05:42:12 ER: I thought he would make us pick mad science categories
05:42:32 ER: may want to put your science machine as "gene splicer" or something though
05:42:48 Devastator: All mad science machines are equivalent.
05:42:56 Devastator: it can be whatever you want.
05:43:00 MidJag: Actually could I make my mad science machine a reverse Kijua engineering machine? :P
05:43:26 Devastator: Mad science machines give no benefit to kaiju engineering.
05:43:44 MidJag: Could I do gene splicer?
05:44:33 Devastator: kaiju reverse-engineering is different from normal research. It's the one thing mad scientists don't do better than regular ones at.
05:44:50 Devastator: otoh, you don't need a special lab for it.
05:45:21 MidJag: Could I use the gene splicer to be better at sticking Kajiu bits that I do reverse engineer into people?
05:45:37 Devastator: Yes, but any mad science machine would also work for that.
05:45:54 ER: if all science machines are eqivalent, why is it a character option?
05:46:06 ER: seperate from "flavor text"
05:47:02 Devastator: Personal challenge, mostly, like explaining why a gene splicer makes your private tank better. Same with explaining why the guy's room full of lawyers helps. ;-p
05:47:31 Devastator: I also wanted the same number of character options.
05:47:56 Devastator: and your science machine is the biggest perk of the mad scientist.
05:48:54 Devastator: Although the special research stuff might be better.
05:49:03 Devastator: albeit a bit less reliable.
05:49:07 Devastator: the science machine always works.
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05:55:03 Devastator: 4:7 is getting a bit heavy on the mad scientists.
05:59:38 Devastator: I'll cut it off if we get more than 8.
06:10:15 Devastator:
ER, should draggy drink one of the things?
06:11:27 Devastator: don't dragons change depending on what they eat, though?
06:12:16 Devastator: and lots of SW drugs
06:12:21 Devastator: so not looking through all of them to see what this is.
06:13:28 ER: I suspect some kind of strong anesthetic
06:14:54 ER: Eiwhyl calls it a medicene rather than a recreational drug, after all
06:16:14 Devastator: yes, but Eiwhyl knows draggy doesn't know many words.
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06:24:28 Devastator: well, maybe draggy will get enough money for food for a while, so we can just play with ally and take it safish.
06:24:55 ER: or steal more red stuff for more money!
06:25:08 ER: buy things that aren't food!
06:25:14 Devastator: things that are shiny?
06:25:26 Devastator: I mean, all dragon needs is food and shinies.
06:26:45 Devastator: she likes ribbons, right?
06:27:18 ER: or just hoard money due to its inherent shininess, and because we know we can get food using it
06:30:28 Devastator: So how long until living in apartment is untenable?
06:31:15 ER: daggie is still only a few weeks old, it'll be a while
06:31:59 Devastator: might cause family stress first, though.
06:32:10 Devastator: eh, just gotta pick someone else's apartment and just push them out.
06:32:43 ER: mm, this planet might not be suitable for our full size
06:33:39 ER: depending how fast we grow compared to a human, maybe we could convince Ali to move somewhere more open.
06:33:49 Devastator: well, we'll find out.
06:33:56 Devastator: I suppose we could always kidnap ally.
06:34:29 ER: ...that might depend as well
06:34:45 ER: and well, not a great idea unless we have somewhere to run to.
06:35:12 ER: Meaning a building we own or a means of leaving the planet
06:35:13 Devastator: but that's why it's important to teach her the joys of flying and the blood of your enemies.
06:35:26 ER: who knows, maybe we can develop hyperdrive wings
06:35:43 Devastator: proooobably needs to be pretty big for that, though.
06:36:37 Devastator: stowing away is probably easier.
06:36:54 Devastator: Hell, we might be able to just buy passage. There are pretty big species in star wars.
06:36:59 Devastator: or maybe we should get kidnapped.
06:40:45 Devastator: Kidnapping a creature that'll outgrow your cage/organization is always a fun thing to watch. ;-p
06:41:55 Devastator: just means we play weak.
06:43:26 Devastator: or you know, strong, but don't show off the acid breath or whatever.
06:45:28 Devastator: so there's a suprise.
06:45:36 Devastator: or act like guns hurt us more.
06:45:47 Devastator: from all the fighting we've done, I'm pretty sure our scales should toughen up.
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17:55:33 ER: come here so I can yell at you
17:57:44 ER: is that tracker like, a physical device?
18:03:24 Piecewise: about the size of a ballpoint pen
18:04:47 ER: okay, you gonna implant that inside me or what
18:06:00 ER: other issue is that flesh scroll tattoos are probably identifiable and mark a person as "probably not a good idea to kidnap"
18:06:47 ER: Because, you know, I can make things explode without needing anything but my own skin and mana pool
18:07:07 ER: that's all assuming that the baddies aren't complete idiots
18:18:53 Piecewise: You can hold it or implant it
18:19:14 Piecewise: We can cover the tattoos
18:19:23 Piecewise: where are they anyways?
18:20:03 Piecewise: Then we can assume you cover them with clothing or make up
18:20:09 Piecewise: doesn't need to last for long after all
18:24:41 ER: will covering it with clothing really be enough?
18:28:17 ER: because they might like, search me?
18:29:01 Piecewise: Maybe, but only after they get you back to their base
18:29:54 Piecewise: I mean, if you're kidnapping someone off the street are you gonna search them out in the open?
18:30:17 ER: might take em to an intermediary stop first
20:29:00 ER: that was a bigass lightening
21:17:42 ER: what's a good name for a birdman hermit mage?
22:50:17 ER: Tactical Hell: beutifully rendered forest floor edition
23:04:50 ER: her accuracy isn't ACTUALLY -2, I was looking at Alex.
23:05:15 ER: Good, cause she rolled a 3 for accuracy.
23:06:12 ER: which... yeah, a 4 isn't very good but
23:06:30 ER: rolling a 1 for accuracy might be a forced death.
23:59:00 ER: apparently in Sekiro you can use the mist raven at any time if you're taking damage from poison or fire, meaning if you use contact medicene you can teleport at will.
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