ERLOG 2019-09-08

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00:18:49 Devastator: toothear.
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00:56:51 PW: Bomber crew is a pretty fun game
00:56:56 PW: if very stressful at times
00:57:39 MidJag: I've heard mixed things about it, would you recommend it?
00:58:10 PW: I haven't played a whole lot of it, but what I played is pretty good. Be aware of what you're getting into though
00:58:16 PW: it ain't xcom
00:58:22 PW: everything is real time
00:59:11 PW: And a lot of it is out of your hands
00:59:49 PW: you basically activate waypoints and the bomber flies there. You look at attacking fighters till they're marked and then the gunners attack them on their own
01:00:12 PW: Its a lot less "Control the crew" and more "Yell at the crew and hope they get shit done"
01:00:40 MidJag: I see, so a bit like Df in that sense.
01:13:37 PW: Yeah
01:13:44 PW: Man, last mission was pretty bad
01:13:52 PW: got lit up by like a dozen fighters
01:14:09 PW: all made it back ok but we had two people down and on the verge of bleeding out
01:14:14 MidJag: Nice
01:14:38 PW: If you ever do play the game, be careful of that "Bail out"option
01:14:41 PW: they take their time to do it
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01:19:56 er: Good dinosaur https://www.schlockmercenary.com/2019-09-08
01:27:32 PW: feathered dinosaurs
01:27:43 Devastator: well, yes.
01:27:47 Devastator: still heresy, but yes.
01:28:36 er: Floof
01:28:42 Devastator: maybe I should re-read schlock mercenary.
01:28:51 Devastator: go up to the can full of sky one and stop.
01:30:44 MidJag: Hmm, I should go, see yah gents.
01:30:50 Devastator: ok.
01:30:51 Devastator: see ya.
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04:05:26 Devastator: syvvie?
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04:17:15 Devastator: Yay!
04:17:21 Devastator: surviving?
04:17:31 syv: Eh. I suppose so.
04:17:52 syv: Been in a bad place for awhile.
04:18:08 Devastator: aww.
04:18:11 Devastator: happens.
04:19:50 syv: MJ said he finished the DF turn, just has to upload it somewhere.
04:20:13 Devastator: Yes.
04:20:16 Devastator: talked about it a bit.
04:20:18 syv: He didn't say anything about what happened, so I'unno if half the fort is dead to werebeasts or what.
04:20:23 syv: Oh?
04:20:31 Devastator: sounded ok.
04:20:43 Devastator: had to make a metal industry because apparently he needed a traction bench, and there were no ropes.
04:21:26 Devastator: he did figure out to gather plants for food.
04:22:23 syv: Heh.
04:22:28 syv: Well set up?
04:22:39 Devastator: Don't know, haven't seen it.
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04:22:46 syv: Speak of the devil.
04:22:46 Devastator: oop
04:22:50 Devastator: heya jaggers.
04:22:53 midnightjaguar: Hiya
04:23:17 syv: We were just chatting about the DF turn. You gonna stick around, talk, or just popping by?
04:23:47 midnightjaguar: I’ll be on for a bit. Just sick and kinda tired.
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04:24:42 Devastator: mmm.
04:24:48 syv: Well, what happened during the turn?
04:24:54 Devastator: STUFF
04:24:58 syv: Dev said you needed a traction bench, which is worrying.
04:25:08 MidJag: But yeah the forts doing well, I got a hopefully non muddy source of water set up, and I made a hospital.
04:25:19 MidJag: Mostly cause I wanted to make a hospital.
04:25:44 MidJag: Oh yeah you were madde expidition leader.
04:25:54 syv: Ahh, okay. That does seem like your kinda priority.
04:25:59 syv: Heh. Goodie~
04:26:04 syv: Did you dwarf yourself?
04:26:21 MidJag: Nah, there weren't anyone with healing skills.
04:26:30 Devastator: wasn't
04:26:36 MidJag: ...Yes.
04:27:30 syv: Yeah. That's been an awfully weird thing with this fort.
04:27:30 MidJag: But yeah, I got a hospital set up, got some metal working set up, was going to start work on making soap but ran out of time.
04:27:49 MidJag: I think the well should be non muddy.
04:27:50 syv: Startinv seven had NOBODY with positive empathy, and none of the migrants have been doctors.
04:28:04 syv: Okay, cool.
04:28:10 MidJag: Oh and I diversified our food supply
04:28:17 syv: Oh?
04:29:18 MidJag: Yeah, set up an outdoor farm plot for straw berries and made a small plot for dimple cups and pig tails
04:29:39 syv: Ahh.
04:29:47 MidJag: Mostly for clothes and string for the hospital.
04:30:21 syv: I guess Dev will end up being hit by the first werebeasts, I was hoping it'd be you. Ah well.
04:31:10 midnightjaguar: I’m quite proud of the hospital. It actually looks semi decent and it’s on the same level as the well.
04:31:23 midnightjaguar: Which is up high.
04:31:41 syv: Cool.
04:31:58 syv: What'd you do with the well? Just set up a bucket brigade, or do some fancy digging?
04:32:09 midnightjaguar: Fancy digging.
04:32:17 midnightjaguar: Well not fancy. Just some digging.
04:34:04 midnightjaguar: Soap industry isn’t set up but the bones are there.
04:35:35 syv: Do we have any other decent livestock aside from the two cows and dog pack?
04:36:01 syv: I'd assume not, but maybe migrants brought ina breeding pair of pigs or something.
04:36:21 midnightjaguar: I think they did actually. There’s a breeding pair of something at least
04:36:32 midnightjaguar: And it’s not a cow.
04:36:44 Devastator: fuck werebeasts.
04:37:19 syv: You turning furry on us?
04:37:31 syv: Fucking werewolves seems like a furry idea~
04:37:48 Devastator: heh.
04:38:05 Devastator: I thought the whole 'playing a giant fluffy wolf' thing would mean more for that.
04:38:09 midnightjaguar: Oh yeah. I also couldn’t find any other ores outside of Galena and casseritte.
04:38:18 syv: That sucks.
04:38:21 midnightjaguar: Granted I didn’t look very hard but still
04:38:47 Devastator: heh.
04:38:58 Devastator: it was Galena and Zinc, sorry MJ.
04:39:24 Devastator: Tin's a lot better than Zinc.
04:39:48 midnightjaguar: Ah
04:39:50 syv: Yes.
04:40:12 midnightjaguar: Yes, so if we can any copper we can make a shit ton of bronze and some really nice silver warhammers.
04:40:16 syv: Need copper ore, bronze isn't bad at all.
04:40:29 syv: Dev said silver hammers suck now, due to... some change.
04:40:37 Devastator: Yeah.
04:40:41 Devastator: They're not great.
04:40:46 syv: I haven't tested that, I might open up the arena just to verify.
04:40:55 midnightjaguar: Huh. I guess that does make more sense but alright.
04:42:03 Devastator: time to make lead wheelbarrows.
04:42:08 Devastator: and barrels.
04:44:25 Devastator: hmm, apparently you can use zinc to make anything as per any metal, so it's just as useful as tin, except for the alloys.
04:44:49 syv: Lead minecarts, instead of arming soldiers we'll just bludgeon the goblins to death with TECHNOLOGY.
04:45:03 Devastator: except tin glaze.
04:45:12 syv: Isn't the primary use of tin alloys, if we don't have iron?
04:45:35 midnightjaguar: Yes
04:45:46 Devastator: yes.
04:47:31 Devastator: all of which require copper.
04:48:25 midnightjaguar: Yeah I really hope there’s copper somewhere.
04:49:31 Devastator: maybe.
04:49:38 Devastator: might have to order metals through the caravan.
04:50:00 Devastator: technically you can just get one piece and use re-melting to get infinite.
04:50:20 syv: I'm pretty sure I did order iron and steel, but the orders are... less than reliable.
04:50:26 midnightjaguar: I don’t think that exploit works any more
04:50:29 syv: Meh, that's cheating.
04:50:31 Devastator: Still works.
04:50:42 syv: Might as well mod a reaction to spit out infinite metal.
04:51:08 Devastator: I've never used it on a large scale, but I have used it for making one more bar of something.
04:51:14 Devastator: basically just seeing if it does work.
04:52:01 Devastator: also screwed myself by buying six steel anvils in my last fort for steel bars, not realizing you only get one bar per anvil.
04:52:14 MidJag: oh yeah I made some bone armor as well
04:52:30 Devastator: you can do that?
04:52:44 MidJag: Yeah like bone helm, bone greaves, that kinda thing
04:52:48 Devastator: ahh.
04:52:54 MidJag: no chest plate or anything like that
04:53:32 MidJag: but like the only exploit I've ever used really was the shaft of enlightenment because the mental image was hilarious
04:53:47 Devastator: don't know that one.
04:54:01 Devastator: Also, keep getting offered items made of divine metal on caravans. I should buy some one day.
04:54:43 syv: I'm pretty sure the shaft of enlightenment has been fixed.
04:54:43 MidJag: It was an old one, essentially if the dwarf fell on a spike trap and survived they became legendary in a weapon skill they at least had novice in.
04:54:47 MidJag: it has been
04:55:04 Devastator: heh, never heard of that.
04:55:07 syv: Yeah, and it wasn't just legendary, it was something crazy like legendary + 30 or so
04:55:18 Devastator: I have used a danger room before, but never on a large scale.
04:55:20 MidJag: yeah it was nuts.
04:55:25 Devastator: wow.
04:56:47 syv: The original discovery was when a guy dropped a regular goblin prisoner on a spike, which crippled one leg... and then the crippled goblin crawled out of the kill chamber and singlehandedly started fighting the entire dwarven army, and winning. Despite the dwarves being well-trained, well-armored, and healthy.
04:57:01 Devastator: hah.
04:57:13 Devastator: There was an old pagan belief about that sort of thing, IIRC.
04:57:25 MidJag: yeah, I'm trying to find the original post of that
04:57:33 Devastator: If you tried to kill a prisoner by making a sacrifice to the gods, you would do so by throwing the prisoner onto a spike.
04:57:50 Devastator: If you screwed up and missed the spike, the prisoner was considered special to the gods.
04:58:09 MidJag: found it. http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=134512.0
04:58:19 Devastator: I see someone figured out planepacked.
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04:59:12 MidJag: planepacked?
04:59:31 syv: It was the artifact statue with several hundred decorations on it.
04:59:44 syv: Including many perfect depictions of itself.
05:01:17 syv: IIRC it was caused by a bug with burrows and stockpiles, if you set things up right then the dwarf would never actually mark a specific resource as having been gathered, no matter how many instances of that resource they grab, until you messed with the stockpiles in some specific way. And then they'd use each and every resource they grabbed to add a decoration of some kind.
05:01:17 MidJag: hmm. this does sound framiliar
05:02:59 MidJag: damn, appernelly shaft of enlightment could do legendary +70
05:04:44 Devastator: yow.
05:04:54 Devastator: I do like how the wall is a character in DF.
05:05:01 Devastator: you can have AS MANY SHIELDS as you like.
05:05:32 MidJag: That is such a funny glitch in adventure mode
05:05:55 syv: So, testing in the arena, teams of dwarves with iron warhammers consistently beat those with silver warhammers. But... only barely, armored or not.
05:06:24 Devastator: yeah, it's not a big difference.
05:10:34 Devastator: "No, there is no spear-glitch that makes people badasses, unfortunately."
05:10:37 Devastator: Whoops.
05:10:59 MidJag: Also I still find it weird that woodburning is under farming and not metal smithing or anything else.
05:12:06 Devastator shrugs.
05:12:07 Devastator: and yeah.
05:13:19 syv: It's handling plants, so I guess that qualifies as a farmer's job.
05:13:34 MidJag: I suppose.
05:13:45 Devastator: carpentry? Farming!
05:13:46 Devastator: ;-p
05:13:54 Devastator: Potash fertilizer, maybe.
05:14:05 Devastator: but I can tell you charcoal has existed back as far as I can remember.
05:18:56 syv: I suppose you weren't around during prehistoric times, yeah. ;P
05:19:32 Devastator: Of course.
05:19:35 syv: ...Though if I'm being literal, I guess charcoal has technically existed about as long as wood's been around to catch fire.
05:19:44 Devastator: before humans, yes.
05:22:41 Devastator: someone documented a legendary+147 skill gain, so..
05:22:59 syv: So this isn't really surprising, but silver warhammers quite handily beat bladed steel weapons when both groups are armored.
05:23:44 syv: So... I don't think we really need to worry about not having high quality weapon metal. Dwarves already get enough advantages due to high skill.
05:24:02 MidJag: Armor might be a problem though
05:24:17 syv: True. Reaaally hope for copper.
05:24:20 Devastator: yeah, if you're wearing hard metal-grade armour you want blunt weapons anyway.
05:24:30 Devastator: although steel still beats copper armour, IIRC.
05:24:54 syv: Iron doesn't beat bronze armor, and that's the match we have to worry about.
05:25:16 MidJag: Well Iron definetlly beats bone and cloth
05:26:03 MidJag: I wonder if silver warhammers are inteonally good, or if Toady has just never fixed them
05:26:35 Devastator: I think they're reasonable weapons that nobody makes in reality because silver is much more common in DF than real life.
05:26:48 Devastator: I think it just works and nobody cares.
05:27:55 MidJag: probs
05:28:43 syv: Pretty sure it also has to do with silver being substantially softer and weaker than iron/steel.
05:28:51 Devastator: yup.
05:28:51 MidJag: that too
05:29:15 syv: Was weapons having infinite durability changed?
05:29:16 Devastator: they could alloy it a little to keep that from happening.
05:29:23 Devastator: Dunno.
05:29:56 MidJag: I think it was changed.
05:30:51 Devastator: non-clothing durability was mostly meaningless, even when things didn't have infinite durability.
05:31:04 Devastator: does armour wear out these days in reasonable amounts of time?
05:31:10 MidJag: No idea
05:31:19 Devastator: Oh, except for the invulnerable artifact door thing.
05:31:23 Devastator: That was fun.
05:31:30 Devastator: I got one of those once!
05:31:39 MidJag: Nice
05:31:42 Devastator: It got set on fire, which was less good.
05:31:50 MidJag: hahaha
05:32:00 Devastator: Yeah.
05:32:08 Devastator: fire man or something.
05:32:13 Devastator: or magma man or whatever.
05:32:17 Devastator: the ones that throw fire.
05:32:21 syv: A lot of these dwarves have damaged armor, so armor actually does wear out.
05:32:27 Devastator: huh
05:32:44 syv: Though most of them are also very dead, and at most seem to have XdamagedX armor.
05:33:01 syv: So... it's probably not a huge worry within a single dwarf's use of the armor.
05:33:24 Devastator: That's new.
05:34:02 Devastator: I suppose I could take the next turn, if it can wait until I get home.
05:34:26 MidJag: This was your gradnfathers armor, you can still see the dent where it almost stopped that goblin warhammer
05:34:26 syv: I don't see why it can't.
05:34:33 Devastator: ok.
05:34:42 Devastator: I know I'll get a damn werebeast now.
05:35:09 MidJag: Cool, that'll give me time to actually upload the thing
05:36:05 syv: So, spawned one dwarf in full addy, grandmaster in all skills, and a silver warhammer, and a pile of 100 untrained cavy boars without equipment, to test if his hammer would degrade.
05:36:19 Devastator: did he get stomped?
05:36:31 syv: The cavies swarmed the dwarf and killed him in seconds. I think he got like ten of them before succumbing.
05:36:37 MidJag: hahahaahaha
05:36:49 Devastator: thought so.
05:37:13 MidJag: I'm dying right now
05:37:20 MidJag: Thats hilarious
05:37:21 Devastator: you want guys with no blunt weapons, so make him fight 100 goblin thieves with daggers.
05:37:44 Devastator: or things that can't really attack.
05:37:55 syv: https://townsquare.media/site/443/files/2015/07/Mans-Life-1956-09-Sept-Cover-by-Wil-Hulsey.-8x6-492x630.jpg
05:38:20 syv: They're still fucking guinea pigs
05:38:29 syv: They SHOULDN'T be able to attack
05:38:37 Devastator: it's DF.
05:38:42 syv: I know...
05:38:59 Devastator: or elves with wooden swords.
05:40:28 MidJag: to be fair I guess a guine pig isn't that small copmared to a dwarf
05:40:50 Devastator: hmm.
05:40:59 Devastator: are cavies the smallest things that take up a space?
05:41:18 Devastator: seems likely.
05:41:44 syv: There's prolly smaller.
05:42:05 Devastator: can you give him a steel titan that's just a ball?
05:42:13 Devastator: to pointlessly beat on?
05:42:37 syv: "Cavies make excellent live-bait in place of cats if you want your bait to survive. They are quite agile and because of their small size, larger creatures such as forgotten beasts have trouble landing a proper attack on them, with many attacks simply glancing off."
05:42:54 syv: Maybe that's why they did so well.
05:43:00 syv: I'll spawn cats next time.
05:43:15 Devastator: meow.
05:45:19 MidJag: syv were there any fish in the caves?
05:45:35 syv: I don't think I ever gave a fisherdwarf a chance to fish.
05:45:39 MidJag: I didn't notice any but I didn't pay it much attention
05:46:58 Devastator: aww.
05:47:02 Devastator: fish are good.
05:47:16 MidJag: I was busy making agricutlure dev~
05:47:19 Devastator: always impressed at how a single-line fisherdwarf can catch like three fish simultaneously.
05:48:39 MidJag: I kinda want to play an old version of DF. like .23 just to see how much it's changed. Like not having a Z level, or anything like that~
05:49:06 Devastator: It's very different.
05:49:25 Devastator: I thought of something recently that I thin would surprise you, but I'll keep that to myself.
05:49:35 Devastator: should check out the version that was around when I signed up.
05:50:52 MidJag: The first one I played was .34 I belive.
05:51:07 Devastator: .21.105.21a, released on my signup date.
05:51:50 Devastator: I've played it from a couple weeks before that day, but I can't say exactly when.
05:51:59 Devastator: not long though.
05:52:29 Devastator: maybe 104.21a
05:53:19 MidJag: hmm, that is one thing I wish current DF did, the mud never dries out or anything like that so your don't ever need to do anything to the farm plots.
05:53:33 Devastator: Heh.
05:53:35 Devastator: Farm plots.
05:53:36 Devastator: have fun.
05:53:56 syv: Taking bets now: One bronze colossus with grandmaster in all skills, and full addy equipment aside from a silver warhammer? Or five hundred unequipped cat recruits?
05:54:41 MidJag: My moneys on the cats
05:54:51 syv: As to playing an old version, a part of me is slightly tempted to play the last 2d version blind, and run a community fort of it.
05:54:57 Devastator: heh.
05:55:12 Devastator: I could stream .21.104.21a after coming home.
05:56:36 syv: "Cat 102 looks surprised by the ferocity of Bronze Colossus 1's onslaught! Bronze Colossus 1 collides with Cat 102! Cat 102 is knocked over!" [Ten cats miss attacks on the BC] "Cat 102 has bled to death."
05:56:52 Devastator: aww
05:57:31 MidJag: awww
05:58:28 Devastator: kitteh.
05:58:52 Devastator: have any cats landed hits yet?
05:59:44 syv: I did see one message about the BC breaking the grip of a cat's teeth on its neck, so that implies a hit.
05:59:59 Devastator: mmm.
06:00:01 syv: BC has no wounds though.
06:00:22 Devastator: it won't. They could win through cumulative damage theoretically.
06:00:28 MidJag: I can never tell if BC's are OP or UP. Always a a tricky thing~
06:00:32 Devastator: I think the BC will probably win.
06:00:43 Devastator: but unpredictable.
06:00:48 syv: OP. OP, OP, OP.
06:00:53 syv: Have you never fought one?
06:01:02 Devastator: I've killed them in fort mode a few times.
06:01:06 MidJag: I alwyas got titans.
06:01:30 Devastator: they generally have issues landing hits.
06:01:49 syv: This one sure doesn't.
06:02:10 Devastator: yeah, grandmaster and armed.
06:02:42 syv: There's literally pages and pages of "Cat ### misses Bronze Colossus" occasionally interrupted with a single line about the BC hitting a cat, and the body part exploding.
06:02:54 MidJag: I imagine a candy sword is just like a dagger to him
06:03:17 Devastator: yeah.
06:03:33 syv: https://dwarffortresswiki.org/images/e/e0/Bronze_Colossus.png
06:03:37 syv: More like a splinter.
06:03:47 Devastator: yeah.
06:03:49 Devastator: shorter than a finger.
06:04:05 MidJag: I'm alwyas curious how the Dwarves kill on of those things
06:04:07 Devastator: if he dodges into a fall it'll kill him.
06:04:17 Devastator: they either cut at it with steel or bash it until it falls apart.
06:04:24 syv: Over half the cats are dead, and still no visible wounds.
06:04:42 syv: There's no available fall here, it's the center ring in the arena.
06:05:12 Devastator: they won't do any visible wounds, even if they were scoring hits.
06:05:25 syv: It is done, no visible damage.
06:05:31 Devastator: it'd be cumulative damage, upon which things just die.
06:05:38 Devastator: BC conquered?
06:05:54 Devastator: no damage to the hammer?
06:05:57 Devastator: I guess not then.
06:05:57 syv: The warhammer has no visible damage, and is credited with three-hundred fifty-one kills
06:06:06 syv: And yeah, BC wins.
06:06:13 syv: I'll try steel-armored cats next.
06:06:19 Devastator: heh.
06:06:24 Devastator: You can do that now in DF, right?
06:06:27 MidJag: I'm not sure the kats had any resitance though you konw
06:06:28 MidJag: ?
06:06:31 Devastator: make stuff for odd species?
06:06:48 Devastator: give him a copper dagger instead of a hammer.
06:06:49 MidJag: I think so
06:07:56 MidJag: Alrigth well I'm going to bed. Night gents
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06:09:01 Devastator: gnight.
06:09:31 syv: You can give all creatures armor in the arena, but I don't think weapons can be wielded if they have no [GRASP] tags. Cats wear four boots, but only one set of greaves.
06:10:16 Devastator: heh.
06:10:20 syv: Steel armor does not seem to offer a cat much protection from a bronze colossus wielding a silver hammer.
06:10:23 Devastator: I think greaves are only lower body.
06:10:35 Devastator: I don't think it'd provide much protection to a dwarf.
06:11:02 Devastator: worldgen draconic armour goes a long way back.
06:11:05 Devastator: before arena mode.
06:11:22 syv: Still no damage to the hammer, and it gained fifty four kills, so I think it's safe to say that weapons don't degrade.
06:11:36 Devastator: yeah, seems reasonable.
06:11:44 Devastator: Can you set a wooden one on fire and see if that breaks it?
06:12:47 Devastator: it should, but that differentiates between weapons have infinite HP and combat doesn't degrade weapons.
06:12:58 syv: Yeah, in a min.
06:13:13 syv: Now testing a hundred grandmaster armored cats versus the BC.
06:13:27 Devastator: heh.
06:13:31 syv: ...Mmmnope, skill doesn't help here.
06:13:41 Devastator: next, grandmaster armoured tigers.
06:15:11 syv: Tigers survive much longer.
06:16:10 syv: One hundred armored grandmaster tigers, BC wins, no visible damage.
06:16:38 Devastator: hmm.
06:16:42 Devastator: giant cheetas, then.
06:16:46 Devastator: if we're sticking with felines.
06:17:31 syv: Already spawned in giant tigers.
06:18:39 syv: ...Okay, uh, still no damage. All giant tigers dead.
06:18:46 Devastator: heh.
06:18:57 syv: Some of the reports mentioned steel armor breaking *before* the giant tigers died though.
06:19:16 syv: I'll fill the arena with water and start spawning hostile armored grandmaster whales.
06:20:22 Devastator: giant walruses
06:26:11 Devastator: alternatively, remove the armour from the BC.
06:26:40 syv: BC climbed out of the arena, now I'm trying to tet him out of the moat and back insidel
06:27:04 Devastator: Hah.
06:27:20 Devastator: I don't think BCs can drown.
06:27:23 Devastator: FILL IT ALL
06:32:36 syv: They definitely can't.
06:32:48 syv: He's underwater and wrecking this army of sperm whales.
06:32:56 Devastator: heh
06:33:19 syv: Oh, hell!
06:33:23 syv: They wounded him!
06:33:32 Devastator: damn.
06:35:13 syv: Right eye is mangled beyond recognition. Left eye is mangled beyond recognition. Second finger right hand dented. Right ear dented. Left lower leg mangled beyond recognition. Left foot mangled. Right lower arm mangled. Right hand mangled. Left hand dented. Third fingrr, right hand dented. Left lower arm dented.
06:35:33 syv: Left ear gone. Thumb, right hand, gone. First finger, right hand gone. First toe, left foot, gone. Fifth toe, left foot, gone.
06:37:11 syv: Army of one hundred giant sperm whales finally put him down.
06:37:31 syv: The kill was scored by giant sperm whale 53, who bit his head apart.
06:38:06 syv: Notably, practically every hit was *still* causing parts of the whales to explode into gore.
06:38:10 Devastator: how many died?
06:38:40 syv: None, so far. Waiting to see if any succumb to--ohp, there, one died.
06:38:41 syv: Drowned.
06:39:19 Devastator: lung damage.
06:40:11 syv: Yeah.
06:42:12 syv: There we go, found the body.
06:42:39 Devastator: so what wins, an armoured giant lion or an unarmed giant?
06:42:49 syv: ...It's a statue of the bronze colossus.
06:42:52 syv: What?
06:43:28 syv: I thought BC statues were just random sculptures of something. Not... sculptures of themselves.
06:43:54 Devastator: Huh.
06:43:58 Devastator: guess that was changed.
06:44:41 syv: His hammer is credited with five hundred eighty kills; four hundred ninety one cats, thirty eight tigers, forty seven giant tigers, and seventeen sperm whales.
06:44:49 Devastator: that's not one.
06:44:54 syv: *Five hundred eighty three kills
06:45:15 syv: It doesn't count kills made by wounding, which later cause the victim to bleed to death or suffocate.
06:46:09 syv: His shield is credited with thirty-two kills. Thirty cats, two giant tigers.
06:46:17 Devastator: just kills by breaking things apart.
06:46:32 Devastator: did it get worn?
06:46:58 syv: Neither have any wear at all.
06:47:36 syv: I can onl find two articles of his armor, both addy chain shirts. Neither has any wear. Maybe the rest did get destroyed?
06:48:12 Devastator: mmm, was wondering that.
06:48:28 Devastator: I think they found out that plate barely helps against blunt weapons.
06:48:33 Devastator: you really do want chain under it.
06:49:50 syv: They actually were all wearing two chain shirts.
06:49:55 Devastator: yow.
06:50:02 syv: But no chain leggings, because those don't stack with greaves?
06:50:04 Devastator: grandmaster included armour user, right?
06:50:08 syv: Yes.
06:50:10 Devastator: no, those stack with greaves fine.
06:50:24 Devastator: they didn't a while ago.
06:51:07 syv: Mmnope.
06:51:27 Devastator: they don't now?
06:51:29 Devastator: oh, ok.
06:51:43 syv: Spawning something with both chain leggings and greaves in inventory causes them to wear the chain and drop the greaves.
06:51:53 syv: I think that used to be different, yeah.
06:52:10 Devastator: I guess not, then.
06:52:15 Devastator: I think they used to not stack.
06:52:27 Devastator: if they still don't stack, they don't stack.
06:54:31 syv: Breathing dragonfire over wooden weapons does catch them on fire, and they burn up very quickly.
06:55:14 syv: I dropped some cavies with wooden hammers in the path of the forestfire the dragon started, and their hammers caught fire from the environemental fires as well. They do degrade.
06:56:12 Devastator: ok.
06:56:23 syv: Oddly, only some of them caught.
06:56:37 syv: Also, in the arena, wooden weapons are made out of... wagon wood.
06:56:42 Devastator: maybe the others didn't heat up in time.
06:56:45 Devastator: Ahh, wagon wood.
06:56:45 syv: Which makes an odd kind of sense.
06:56:58 Devastator: Can someone wear greaves and chausses?
06:57:33 syv: A Cavy sure can.
06:57:44 Devastator: ok.
06:57:50 syv: It's can't be metal unless it's addy, though.
06:57:51 Devastator: chainmail shirt, greaves, and chausses?
06:57:59 Devastator: yeah, they're cloth.
06:58:04 Devastator: just wondering.
06:58:59 syv: 2x mail shirt, and a breastplate, work fine eith the chauss + greaves combo
06:59:47 Devastator: ok.
07:00:12 syv: Cats apparently do not take falls well in DF.
07:00:26 Devastator: Nobody does.
07:00:33 syv: Makes sense, I suppose, with how DF calculates fall damage.
07:00:35 Devastator: what's the floor made out of in the arena?
07:00:53 Devastator: Also, recruit dwarves really shouldn't be loaded up with max armour.
07:00:55 syv: "Rock block" in this case.
07:00:58 Devastator: they move so slowly they basically can't train.
07:01:04 Devastator: hmm.
07:01:13 Devastator: floor depends on mass of the material.
07:01:18 syv: Red sand is a lot less damaging, of course.
07:01:28 Devastator: can cats swim?
07:02:50 syv: These ones are fine in 7/7
07:03:34 syv: Jeez, one was just brutally murdered by a random stray max-stat cavy I'd dropped in the water earlier.
07:04:10 Devastator: weak kitten. ;-p
07:04:28 syv: I dropped a dwarf in with it, he drowned, though the Cavy was tearing him apart the whole time.
07:04:41 Devastator: dwarves aren't good at water.
07:06:28 syv: Grandmaster cat wipes the floor with an untrained dwarf, both being entirely nude and unarmed.
07:06:38 Devastator: how about both untrained?
07:08:52 Devastator: Hmm.
07:09:04 Devastator: Can a dwarf wear five mail shirts if no breastplate is present?
07:09:10 syv: Uh.
07:09:14 syv: The cat still won.
07:09:18 Devastator: Heh.
07:09:23 Devastator: take a while?
07:09:36 syv: Longer than the elite cat.
07:09:58 Devastator: what if the dwarf has leather armour?
07:10:07 syv: Naked elite cat is still "fighting" his second foe, a peasant with full addy and a shortsword.
07:10:16 Devastator: heh.
07:10:22 Devastator: whiff whiff whiff whiff whiff whiff.
07:10:28 Devastator: until cat bites out his neck.
07:10:29 syv: Those two seem to have stalemated, both fell unconscious from exhaustion, though the cat suffered some red wounds.
07:10:37 Devastator: ahh.
07:10:42 Devastator: peasant will win then.
07:12:08 syv: Dwarf in full leather beat the cat handily, though not without sustaining yellow wounds across his entire body.
07:12:24 syv: He went into a rage though, so that may have helped.
07:12:43 Devastator: mmm.
07:12:54 Devastator: I wasn't thinking full leather, I was thinking naked except for leather armour.
07:13:02 Devastator: Limul No-Pants.
07:13:47 Devastator: also, yellow wounds across entire body is very dangerous.
07:13:51 syv: Still worked out for the dwarf. Actually went better this time.
07:14:07 Devastator: mmm.
07:15:15 Devastator: No platemail shoulder.
07:15:58 syv: Huh. Dwarves with *just* one piece of leather armor reliably kill cats with only a few yellow wounds at worst.
07:17:15 syv: The one match where the cat won may have been a fluke, haven't replicated it.
07:17:25 Devastator: named cat.
07:17:51 syv: He probably got in a lucky disabling hit, and that snowballed into winning the fight.
07:18:31 syv: A yellow wound to the eye would probably change a fight pretty massively.
07:18:59 Devastator: pushed through the skull and into the brain!
07:19:46 Devastator: I guess that cat was just awesome.
07:21:57 syv: ...Man, now I'm actually kind impressed that the BC managed to kill even one giant sperm whale.
07:21:58 syv: https://dwarffortresswiki.org/images/1/1c/Giant_Sperm_Whale_Size_Comparison.png
07:22:26 syv: They were all as skilled as him, had full armor, and outnumbered him *massively*.
07:23:59 Devastator: big mofos.
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07:53:24 syv: ...Hey, ER, I just spotted you in the user list! Are you being a Dev and leaving your computer on?
07:54:34 Devastator: presumably.
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09:08:02 syv: ...Hello?
09:08:15 Devastator: I think he's on autorejoin.
09:08:38 syv: Yeah.
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10:10:43 Topic for #einsteinianroulette: Tactihell update frequency: :(
10:10:43 Topic set by syv [Saturday 31 August 2019, 04:44:24]
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10:23:59 er: Good morning.
10:27:00 er: That is indeed what I was doing an hour ago, but now I'm awake! Hey syv.
10:27:41 syv: Hello, ER.
10:28:02 syv: You're completely uninterested in the succession fort, right?
10:29:11 er: Yeah
10:29:26 syv: Oh well.
10:41:40 er: Who knew, the bus starts running an hour late on sunday.
10:41:53 er: *screaming*
10:45:21 syv: Do you work today? :(
10:46:24 er: Yes.
10:47:00 er: Oh well, I'll still get there, but that makes things complicate
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11:32:27 PW: Honk
11:32:50 syv: Hello, Skello.
11:33:00 PW: hows it going sy
11:33:00 syv: I'm gonna be leaving awfully soon. You want anything?
11:33:06 syv: I'm tired.
11:33:13 PW: Nah, feel free to sleep
11:33:21 PW: I'm just hanging out
11:33:25 syv: Mm. Coolio.
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15:14:09 PW: HEY DEV
15:14:19 PW: WHEN YOU GET HERE, TELL ME WHAT YOU WANNA DO IN CABAL
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17:01:22 Devastator: good morning
17:58:05 PW: Hey devastator
17:58:13 PW: PM me your action in cabal
17:58:21 PW: I kinda lost it in the pms
18:00:45 Devastator: ok.
18:20:34 Devastator: don't have orders from syv, but chatted with him last night and he seems to be in agreement.
21:41:35 PW: I mean
21:41:38 PW: he didn't even post so
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23:15:10 MidJag: lo
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