01:03:42 Devastator:
RC: Good! Now that we're all together, I can keep everyone locked up in the bore by enacting Truck Simulator again.
01:04:39 Devastator: Hmm, reading the mook update.
01:04:47 Devastator: is it spoilers for you
ER, or can I talk about it?
01:05:23 Devastator: Those look like good shooting numbers.
01:06:20 Devastator: And spuds dodges and weaves.
01:08:42 Devastator: Ahh, those damage rolls must have been the monster's defence rolls.
01:09:54 Devastator: Hmm, should come up with some silly martial arts name for my melee attack.
01:15:29 Devastator: What martial art would a guy called Spuds practice?
01:16:01 ER: some shit his older brother made up in middle school
01:16:05 Devastator: and he doesn't have a bike this time.
01:17:28 Devastator: I'll whack them like the fat kids in middle school.
01:19:21 Devastator: Wow, d12 lava, that's a sweet word.
01:19:42 ER: not as good as explosion imo
01:20:55 Devastator: seem complimentary those.
01:21:20 ER: Explosion along with anything energetic is good
01:21:56 Devastator:
PW, how many people can birb carry, anyway?
01:22:20 ER: Think I could do a shockwave explosion without Air :P
01:22:55 Devastator: well, if it's a bit short I can just make it a bit bigger.
01:23:06 Devastator: still rather save some mana at least.
01:23:46 Devastator: and won't be able to carry an army in any case.
01:24:07 ER: They probably have good transportation.
01:24:20 Devastator: Still, it'll make an impression.
01:26:09 Devastator: And it was quite handy in getting here in a timely fashion..
01:27:41 PW: They're not gonna ride on birb
01:27:52 PW: They'll just be going with you
01:28:29 Devastator: Still, hopefully birb will make an impression.
01:29:10 ER: I imagine they either would appriciate someone with the flesh-scroll word for Lightweight or more likely already have it.
01:30:40 Devastator: As useful as Strengthen is, I'm sure they have someone who knows it.
01:30:40 Devastator: Still, I might do some work if they pay in mana.
01:30:40 ER: though they would need to have different versions for each method
01:36:48 Devastator: you trying to sell lightweight?
01:42:50 Devastator: get paid for using it?
01:43:31 ER: Do magebreakers even get paid normally?
02:16:41 Devastator:
PW, any visible hug opportunities on the way up that I passed on due to the hurry?
02:22:30 PW: depends on how you define that
02:22:36 PW: how aggressive are your hugs?
02:25:09 Devastator: Mmm, I've been saying Saeko will get slightly more agressive over time, so look for easy ones first such as a coin or two to a beggar, or a quickie heal, but if I don't find anyone towards the bottom, look for a bar to buy a round of drinks at.
02:26:39 Devastator: Truth is, I kinda need a bit of mana for the mind control resistance pills. That was second priority after the armour.
02:27:34 ER: Hey, if I get to keep hunting Ghouls, I might get more windfalls of mana.
02:27:45 Devastator: Probably going to be a pile if you come with me.
02:27:53 Devastator: I'm sure this guy has tons of spells.
02:27:59 Devastator: Also, collapsing cavern, need to say something about that.
02:30:02 Devastator: Probably tastier than bugman.
02:30:14 Devastator: I have never had cougar meat, I'm afraid.
02:30:32 Devastator: hawk meat probably tastes like goose.
02:30:37 Devastator: which is really tasty.
02:30:48 ER: but with extra mercury, yum
02:31:08 Devastator: That's exaggerated a bit.
02:32:51 Devastator: Really, though, goose is fantastic.
02:38:25 Devastator: plus they're unlikely to restrict hunting for it as there's plenty of them, and they can be real nusiences.
02:47:27 ER: Arcane Fuckery was really Not Fun to me.
02:48:53 ER: Because I never met anything I could fight and when I tried to make a horde of minions someone magically killed them all instantly with one roll from another contentant for no reason.
02:52:16 Devastator: I think that guy was like ten hexes away, actually.
02:52:39 Devastator: and didn't you have a neighbor right next to you?
02:53:04 Devastator: ahh, I should shut up.
03:07:25 Devastator: How's Sophia doing?
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03:14:00 Devastator: Broke $800 bucks of equipment today.
03:14:09 Devastator: saved $800 yesterday.
03:16:00 MidJag: I'm curious how both transpired
03:17:02 Devastator: for some reason someone was charging 900 bucks for a few feet of PVC pipe and about fifteen bucks worth of pipe fittings.
03:17:33 Devastator: ..the same company that was selling the fancy testers that were put inside said pipes.
03:17:44 Devastator: so yesterday made a replacement pipe.
03:18:00 Devastator: today broke the tester in the 'official' pipe we already had.
03:18:39 Devastator: fortunately, we ordered 2 because we thought the tester was broken in the one we already had, so there was a spare.
03:20:05 Devastator: it's ok.. but I wasn't pleased when I broke that.
03:22:36 PW: I think I will go for a walk
03:22:43 PW: Think of what thing to work on tomorrow
03:23:16 Devastator: Also,
MJ, didn't I ask you a birbgame question?
03:23:27 Devastator: With a stat based on sparkles. ;-p
03:24:02 ER: what does the sparkles stat help you with?
03:25:20 Devastator: you can hit no harder than your sparkles stat.
03:25:24 Devastator: with whatever magic you have.
03:25:37 Devastator: however, the more sparkles, the longer it takes to get the move off.
03:25:39 ER: I was thinking more that it charged your mana faster
03:26:14 Devastator: Nah, that's voice. The bold speaking MGs get going quicker, so that's the stat for charging your mana.
03:26:28 MidJag: Anyone want to play some SWAT or L4D2?
03:28:04 Devastator: was thinking of playing some doomRL.
03:28:11 Devastator: Also still need an answer from you.
03:28:59 MidJag: apologies, I'll go do that.
03:29:00 ER: HEART: sets how quickly TENSION builds up while fighting. SPARKLINESS: sets maximum TENSION.
03:30:02 Devastator: unless you're using that for something else.
03:30:02 Devastator: HOPE for hitpoints?
03:30:02 ER: Once TENSION is maxed out, you can either perform a Finale or enter a supercharged form. CONVICTION sets how long that form lasts.
03:30:03 Devastator: Need more than one form.
03:30:50 ER: a system for going even further beyond? Wait are we mixing anime influences here
03:31:33 ER: Eh, max out TENSION again while still superpowered and you can go double.
03:31:43 Devastator: there are magical girls with more than one super form.
03:31:49 MidJag:
Dev do the lights seem to move in a familiar way?
03:31:49 Devastator: I'm sure you could find one.
03:32:04 MidJag: I guess techicnally PM3 does that
03:32:22 MidJag: Either through Pink being Jesus and regular pink and MG pink.
03:32:38 Devastator: Gotta get my answer first. What was your/dunkus's idea as to what the place he was in was?
03:33:24 ER: no, the multiple forms in PM3 is just witchification.
03:33:40 Devastator: Madoka, MG madoka, Goddess madoka.
03:35:30 ER: Hmm, finale moves should be fairly underwhelming actually, but massively grow in power when you use them at the same time.
03:35:50 ER: Maybe with some way to build towards being more powerful on your own.
03:36:12 MidJag: Dunkus thinks he was in some alternate land where the lizard people were in place of the birds and he was sent to bridge the gap between the two by proving himself in battle.
03:36:38 MidJag: That's why they asked him if he was their new allies.
03:37:11 MidJag: I'm typically a better guesser.
03:37:45 ER: Or maybe just bad things happen if you use a finale but it doesn't win the fight.
03:37:59 Devastator: you get despair points.
03:38:59 ER: More like it maxes out your exhaustion.
03:41:16 Devastator: Some of the lights are moving in different ways.
03:41:43 Devastator: the white and black ones are moving like they're in crazy straws, each one following the last in very narrow, fine streams.
03:42:51 Devastator: The red and yellow ones don't seem to have any particular pattern to them, they move independantly, at least no pattern you can grasp. Except for that the red ones sometimes move towards another object or light, and then the other light changes speed and direction.
03:43:08 Devastator: or the strand bends in a different direction.
03:45:37 MidJag: So do I need to make an action? Or do I just wait.
03:46:07 MidJag:
ER you want to play some L4D2?
03:50:22 Devastator: Whatever is going on, you feel that you are some place you shouldn't be.
03:51:02 Devastator: not shouldn't be in the way that you feel guilty or anything.
03:51:19 Devastator: shouldn't be as in this is not a place made for you.
03:53:32 Devastator: could stream a doom RL run..
03:55:35 MidJag: I'm between scenes as it were
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03:59:19 ER: I wanna work on forum games.
03:59:34 MidJag: I could watch a stream
dev
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04:02:01 MidJag: do you want to shoot some zombies in the south
syv?
04:02:24 ER: I made a very tiny mistake in that tachell turn
04:02:36 ER: -24 ammo should have been -~24 ammo
04:02:44 ER: because you weren't counting~
04:03:54 Devastator: I don't think I want to do a swat 4 without
syv.
04:04:28 Devastator: and if I open up steam, I won't be able to play anything today due to update-induced lag.
04:05:46 syv: But yeah I'm fine with either, though I'm eating sandwiches right now.
04:07:00 Devastator: I also has sandwitch.
04:08:40 ER: it was apparently considered a "slider", but they were each big enough that I only managed to finish one of the two at dinner.
04:09:39 MidJag: I was going to have a sandwich, but things distracted me and I didn't get there before it closed.
04:09:59 ER: [quote author=sprinkled chariot link=topic=173230.msg7975866#msg7975866 date=1559107798]
04:09:59 ER: [b]Follow up the rest og the group, laugh at scribe [/b]
04:09:59 ER: [quote author=syvarris link=topic=173230.msg7975853#msg7975853 date=1559104734]
04:09:59 ER: [quote author=Egan_BW link=topic=173230.msg7975309#msg7975309 date=1559003246]
04:10:01 ER: [b][color=#DFC600]"What in the blazes-! Argh... good work, girl. More [i]quietly[/i] next time, though!"[/b]
04:10:02 ER: [b]Look around and examine surroundings. Is there any clear path to heaven visible from here?[/b]
04:10:31 ER: damn this program spewing out whatever's in my crtl-v when I press crtl-v!
04:10:39 ER: I mean yes I told you to do this
04:10:53 Devastator: That's what ctrl v is for..
04:20:20 MidJag: smbc for whatever reason becomes much less funny whenever I read more then like 5 of them at once.
04:20:51 ER: I'm going to go clean my body, somebody make an rtd system for me to use while I'm gone, because I feel unable to come up with anything good myself!
04:20:55 Devastator: so read in small quantities.
04:21:02 Devastator: something wrong with sparkles?
04:23:07 MidJag: I could play one or two. with mics?
04:24:37 syv: I'm good with SWAT4 or L4D2, either way, though I naturally lean a little more towards police brutality~
04:25:20 MidJag:
Dev said he'd be stuck with updates if he did L4D2 right now
04:26:48 syv: Yay, modern tech incompetence works for me!
04:27:48 MidJag: don;t worry I'm sure my techbane will break something soon :P
04:28:07 Devastator: but that one is just 'steam will make me dl something'
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04:29:38 sy: My phone crashed when I started the tethering app.
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04:30:28 Devastator: "my phone crashed."
04:30:42 Devastator: nice having a chanserv.
04:31:58 syv: Official NA, currently set to Victory Imports, is what I selected, but there's a person already online and using it.
04:32:22 syv: So a different one, 'cause he'll inevitably be annoying to work with.
04:32:53 syv: "SWAT: Elite Force Official EU"
04:34:00 syv: ...And then this server has someone named "LKBD", despite saying it had zero players...
04:35:43 syv: "SWAT: Elite Force Official EU"
04:36:31 syv: This map has a few aggressive well armored and armed suspects. It's the introductory mission for paramilitary hostiles.
04:36:43 syv: We can do it lethal or nonlethal, lethal's just easier.
04:37:00 MidJag: I vote non lethal honesltly, that paintball gun is fun
04:37:42 syv: Okay. Take gasmasks, and at least two wedges (in the tactical tab).
04:38:01 syv: The S10 helmet is the safest choice.
05:05:29 MidJag: That john wick guy is just wondering what the fuck we are talking about.
05:06:13 MidJag: and did JW win? I could have sworn it was a mutual
05:12:08 Devastator: JW won 90%, one ran away.
05:21:57 syv: Yes. Egan's char was a Creative, so probably could've come back and wrecked him, but I never ran that.
05:26:01 ER: Eh, maybe I'd want to run around with minimal weight and shoot everyone with an SMG. Then I don't have to deal with a huge list of buttons
05:26:14 ER: not atm though, I'm drying off
05:34:23 Devastator: so what happened with those flashbangs?
05:34:26 Devastator: I couldn't hear anyone.
05:35:46 Devastator: I just know I was being shouted at.
05:39:52 MidJag: I was shouting from the suprise of being flashed
05:43:27 Devastator: well, I cocked up the first one, bounced off the wall.
05:43:33 Devastator: second one got I think six guys.
06:01:49 Devastator: should just throw flashbangs everywhere all the time.
06:01:57 Devastator: and taser punch people.
06:02:21 Devastator: so that guy just shot you in the face?
06:02:22 syv: Even after dying, it was awfully fun to watch y'all run around, occasionally being tactical but mostly not.
06:02:22 ER: I barely got to murder anyone
06:02:42 Devastator: might need like 80 suspects mode to get tactical.
06:02:45 syv: Yeah, I walked around the corner, he was aiming at me already, blam--dead.
06:02:48 MidJag: I got to shoot a guy with half a mag from an M16.
06:03:06 ER: think the mission results said 1 suspect killed
06:03:06 Devastator: I don't remember firing any bullets there.
06:03:17 ER: yeah I went home with full mags
06:03:23 syv: I had been shooting people on the other side of the door, so he had a warning. Another reason silencers are so good.
06:03:45 ER: ...because the one suspect I ran into I hit from behind, mistook for a civilian, and hit f
06:03:52 ER: he instantly dropped his weapon
06:03:58 Devastator: sometimes they do that.
06:04:02 syv: People give up easier if they see multiple cops. When you've got four guys together, you often don't even have to do anything, they just surrender to the first yell.
06:04:18 Devastator: well, I got the cult leader in cult mission.
06:04:25 Devastator: guy didn't surrender after being flashbanged.
06:04:29 syv: Oh. Hell, I thought you had snuck up on him intentionally,
ER. Yelling at people from close behind them *also* helps subdue them.
06:05:10 Devastator: I figured cult leader wouldn't trap his own room, seemed like the kind of selfish cult wher the followers do the dying.
06:05:11 ER: I brought an ump with FMJ and two shot burst and basically nothing else
06:05:29 syv: @
Dev the Hell and Survival servers might give you the 80-suspect experience.
06:06:07 ER: maybe the fact that it never transitioned to alert music was why I didn't shoot anyone :P
06:06:16 syv: Survival was the one we tried the first time, with way extra armored suspects and reinforcements. Hell, I don't know, but I recall that it was kinda legendary on the discord.
06:07:45 MidJag: does hell just send us to tactihell? Do I play a catgirl with a LMG?
06:08:07 ER: if you can find the right custom skin
06:08:12 syv: You can pretend to play a catgirl with an LMG by equipping no armor, and nothing aside from an LMG with one mag.
06:08:41 Devastator: "Get off the swat server, you furries."
06:08:41 MidJag: You'll get to hear the horrors that is my falsetto
06:09:01 syv: To my recollection modding human models in this game is particularly difficult. Cat ears could probably be done with a special helmet, though.
06:09:40 syv: And it might be possible to swap the player model for a female civilian. I know females can use (almost?) all the animations males can use.
06:10:31 syv: Your shouting voice would have to be disabled, ignored... or changed to an anime voice, I guess, though everyone *else* would also sound like catgirls.
06:11:00 syv: Though... wait, no, no they wouldn't. There's five cop voices in the game, you'd only have to change one, and somehow ensure you always get that one.
06:11:04 MidJag: So I guess You would just play a full armorerd guy holding a taser fist.
06:11:23 MidJag: who has a 20% chance of sounding like an anime girl
06:11:54 ER: you can pick your voice in the options :P
06:12:32 syv: Well there you go! In SP, it always defaults to Lead, and I haven't really playes MP
06:13:09 ER: a little sad that I think the only special melee in the game is the big taser
06:13:31 ER: so I have to pick between specialized melee and a lethal primary :P
06:13:39 syv: Oh, MJ, next time you play SWAT 4, in the lower left of the server screen, there's an option to enter your name. Change it from Operator to
MJ or something, next time? It preserves the change, so you only need to do it once.
06:14:03 syv: Yeah. Punching and the taser are the only melee options. Both are *really* powerful though, so it's not all bad.
06:14:05 MidJag: Ah yeah, I'll fix that next time
06:15:27 ER: "hey pumsy, are there any *other* magical girls I can work with? I think this one is broken."
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06:15:43 syv: Just checked, you can equip the X2 taser (the special melee) as a secondary.
06:16:33 syv: It's possible the server we were on restricts it, but by default you can, and I'm pretty sure I did it on the try before I grabbed an LMG.
06:24:46 Devastator: need those guys in swat 4.
06:25:04 Devastator: "German Love Witch Loses Appeal"
06:25:36 Devastator: I have never considered employing the legal profession to defeat witches in PS.
06:27:44 Devastator: Hmm, how many Phoenix Wright characters could be magical girls..
06:27:57 ER: Sophia's power set really really does not lend itself towards NOT escalating violence.
06:28:21 syv: How many Phoenix Wright characters are girls or effeminate men?
06:29:23 Devastator: a good number of them.
06:29:28 syv: Huh. I could totally run a game of "Magical Girl SWAT" where you get your full powersets, but just need to clear a building.
06:29:39 Devastator: Wouldn't mind that.
06:32:28 Devastator: Alida's probably too strong for CC nonlethal, though.
06:32:47 syv: I think I'll do that. Post a thread saying it's a PS spinoff that just has no flavor text, and pointing out that "Yeah this should be super easy, but you never know!"
06:32:50 Devastator: power armour fists are deadly.
06:33:00 syv: Maybe make the magic powers you get *completely* random.
06:35:18 ER: specifically about the escalation thing... I mean, if Sophia gets sufficiantly annoyed to proc CC L0 and grab Ada or something, Ada's CC L1 and skilled Bravery easially beat Sophia's CC L0 and amatuer Bravery, so then the option I have to *not lose* is to dodge away and start with weak manabolts, which is a clear escalation to magical girl conflict. Which I PROBABLY win, but if I start to lose I can get out of it by escalating fur
06:36:16 ER: MC MIGHT be usable for deescalation, but it did the opposite last time. :V
06:36:32 syv: Sophia can't lose any engagement between them, because Sophia will pop Inner Monster before losing
06:37:00 ER: I didn't say that I was bad at winning.
06:37:21 ER: I said I was bad at winning without major escalation.
06:37:26 syv: Deescalation is trivial in the *current* situation, anyway; Ada's IS doesn't extend to her father, and she doesn't know what powers Sophia has.
06:38:22 ER: Yeah, that would work, not sure if Sophia would think of it though.
06:39:02 syv: She probably wouldn't, it's not like the girls she's known had respected father figures.
06:39:24 syv: Jeez Sophia's life is an anime.
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06:40:07 syv: Honestly I expected her to react awfully poorly to the dude telling her to do *anything*, especially with how gruff he was.
06:40:53 ER: She's really just ignoring Ada's dad.
06:41:23 parisbre56: if I'm being too much of an asshole and making things unpleasant, please tell me
06:42:14 ER: as I told
syv, unpleasantness is the goal!
06:42:31 ER: not sure if I ever told him exactly that
06:43:44 parisbre56: I'm also playing Pathos as an asshole of a different kind. guess it's the asshole season for me
06:43:45 ER: I'm sure that Sophia will have a pleasant experince eventually
06:44:43 syv: I don't mind the RP, I find it amusing if anything. Ada's just a real bitch.
06:45:01 ER: what confuses me is that you're playing a character who cares about nothing more than looking cool and competant, and she's *terrible* at it.
06:45:23 syv: Also, yes, it's kinda perfect for Sophia and the plans I have for you. Not that they'll happen for months.
06:45:29 parisbre56: heh. you mean stat wise or character wise?
06:46:15 ER: I mean that your character's goal is "beat charisma rolls" and you have minimal charisma
06:48:06 syv: She's got a 100% success rate on Charisma so far, though.
06:48:27 ER: if Sophia were an NPC, she would not have.
06:50:37 Devastator: Is anyone's life not an anime in PS?
06:51:25 parisbre56: her description more or less says "crap at making friends and interacting with people. huge personality issues". I think I'm pretty close to that :)
06:51:45 Devastator: I do hope you guys survive long enough to meet the other characters.
06:53:20 syv: Most other characters aren
06:53:46 syv: 't an anime, and are hardly anime characters. They might work ina very grounded one, but that's not the memetic meaning fo the term.
06:54:28 syv: Sophia, though? She could star in an anime about her life, though it'd be even more mercilessly slow and aggressively offensive than Attack on Titan, and would therefore be terribly unpleasant to watch.
06:55:08 ER: Which is why we need to turn PS into a novel, then into a TV show
06:57:54 ER: damn, putting two Pures in the same space really is a disaster, isn't it?
06:58:03 syv: It arguably already fits the definition of a webnovel. Plenty of novels have a lower wordcount, and the prose is rather more storyish than most forum games.
06:59:00 syv: If it is a novel though, it's a pretty horrible one which is in desperate need of a decent editor.
07:00:53 ER: especially all the parts that aren't written by you~
07:03:01 ER: Maybe I can beat Ada in a fistfight if I get REALLY ANGRY at her first.
07:04:36 syv: I wasn't even considering any of the action/RP posts, honestly. Most would be best just getting cut, they serve little purpose, as does most of the proper updates. You could instantly cut it by half or more just removing multi-perspectives, and then probably somewhere below half of the remainder is actually good storytelling/well paced.
07:05:16 ER: then who gets to be PoV character? :P
07:05:21 Devastator: If you get lucky enough, maybe.
07:05:34 Devastator: Asha. She doesn't do anything, but got a good view of the proceedings.
07:05:41 syv: GoT style, swaps between perspectives.
07:06:14 syv: Asha would actually be a good choice, since she's being put on a bus to plotland.
07:06:24 ER: Sophia is probably best not a main PoV character
07:06:26 syv: Makes a good Ishmael too, yeah.
07:06:53 syv: Sophia is a terribly PoV char. She's something to be seen.
07:07:22 ER: despite the fact that I'm really enjoying the story from her perspective, that might be because I'm weird ;P
07:07:31 parisbre56: should be written from the perspective of Pumsy. You open the page and it's just full of cat noises
07:07:45 Devastator: Not Alida, because of the multiple bodies thing.
07:07:51 Devastator: that would be insanely hard to show.
07:08:12 ER: oh no, obviously alexandria is protag
07:08:28 ER: pretty sure we established that before, actually
07:08:36 parisbre56: I read a book called Ancillary Justice once about an AI with multiple bodies, it was kinda fun to see multiple perspectives of events
07:09:19 Devastator: I be bad with names.
07:11:18 ER: in a few books, she'll lose her AK, cry about it, then Sophia will casually give her another one.
07:11:53 ER: because sophia is a plot device~
07:12:33 syv: (
parisbre56) should be written from the perspective of Pumsy. You open the page and it's just full of cat noises
07:12:53 syv: This would be difficult to write, difficult to understand, and kind've like telling a story backwards.
07:14:42 parisbre56: sad cat song on infinite loop
07:14:53 Devastator: You know, Pumsy being worse than Kyubei would be pretty impressive.
07:16:15 ER: Both Sophia and Ada will be happier while they settle their differences in a sick epic duel, right?
07:17:10 Devastator: they need a dance-off.
07:17:20 parisbre56: I dunno, was Kyu really that bad? He was just Alien
07:17:48 ER: I guess that way they can both claim that they won
07:18:00 ER: and thus infiriate each other even further
07:18:09 parisbre56: dance dance revolution duel to make it completely anime
07:18:22 ER: no, the only way is the blessed clairity of combat
07:18:25 Devastator: That might settle it.
07:18:51 Devastator: Each girl thinks she won, therefore they're both happy.
07:19:08 ER: That's not how it works
Dev.
07:19:17 ER: You can only win if the other one loses.
07:20:00 ER: If she still has spirit, if she's still able to say with a straight face that she won, there's still work to be done!
07:20:50 syv: Cubae was a straight sociopath, which makes him both pure evil and relatively innocent at the same time.
07:20:57 Devastator: well, then, go both kill each other.
07:22:22 ER: Refine claims that Cubae was keeping the universe from winding to a stop over the course of a few hundred years, which you could see as a more sympathetic retconning I guess.
07:22:41 syv: Interestingly, Cubae was a *utilitarian* sociopath, though the particular instance assigned to Earth seemed to be fairly selfish; it wasn't interested in the preservation of a planet, as long as it met its personal quota, though it's possible that its quota was simply "The amount of energy required to create a new psystem with harvestable life forms", so the loss didn't actually matter in the long run.
07:23:10 Devastator: If you never put in the effort into finding a better way, you're just being a lazy cock-up.
07:24:58 syv: We never found any proof that Cubae wasn't trying to find a better way, and in fact seemed to be strongly interested in finding a better way; in the alternare universe after Pink Jesus' apotheosis, it pointed out that the current system was less efficient than the system Black described, and it invested quite a lot into studying Black in Rebellion, ostensibly to find a more efficient method.
07:26:26 ER: "what if rather than hurting people every day, we just subjected one person to eternal torment? Uh, I'm sure that's more ethical or whatever those humans say."
07:27:04 syv: IMO, it's pretty likely that harvesting wraiths *was* a directly worse cosmology. Wraiths still caused damage and suffering on a large scale, while paying out substantially less, all just so that a limited few wouldn't have to suffer as significantly.
07:28:31 Devastator: Wraiths weren't as individually destructive, and could well mean that MGs were actively making people's lives better on a global scale, rather than simply putting out individual witch-fires.
07:28:34 syv: They didn't want to inflict eternal torment on Black, they wanted to study her so that they could understand the law of cycles and figure out how to munchkin the system. Cubae literally said that you can't game a system until you understand it, understanding was the whole point of the experiment.
07:28:43 ER: which is why I believe in an infinite continuum of pink jesuses, all trying to find a better way and inevitably making each universe more crapsack than the last.
07:30:06 Devastator: I don't think we know enough to make a conclusion, personally.
07:30:07 ER: starting with "why is there suffering? I'll fix it by physically removing it from people" and eventually reaching literal hell worlds
07:30:10 Devastator: you can make an argument either way.
07:31:28 syv:
Dev, the problem is payoff vs reward. Witches caused fairly minor damage, with even the worst ones (short of Pink Jesus, who was hundreds of powerful witches mashed together) causing destruction merely on the scale of a natural disaster. Bad, but nothing humanity doesn't already weather regularly without much difficulty. Most witches didn't even seem to cause much of any damage; Charlotte killed nobody, HN Elly *nearly* killed ~20 people, but wa
07:32:52 Devastator: so then Kyubei would be the worst of all possible beings, then.
07:33:03 Devastator: as the one powering the cycle of suffering.
07:33:11 syv: Also, yeah. The actually correct answer is that the world with Pink Jesus is the better world, because that's what the author decided. Cubae was a villain, despite my love for the little scamp, and Pink was the hero. The ending where the villain is knocked down a peg and the hero ascends is the good one.
07:33:30 ER: though I wonder if there are ways to tangle together enough Potential Wish Delta (PWD) to create a universe other than time looping.
07:34:25 syv: Nah, Cubae's not necessarily the worst. It seemed to have value for life, and seemed to be considering the damage to humans as a real *loss*, just one which was offset by the gain, namely keeping the rest of the universe alive.
07:34:47 Devastator: You can love a villain.
07:34:51 ER: I thought that was something I made up
07:35:17 ER: or wait, you're talking about my canon with BOTH bits I made up. okay
07:35:18 Devastator: And saying he was the worst of all concievable beings was in the universe where
ER suggested the wish suffering delta.
07:36:27 syv: Of course, precisely what the energy was spent on, and what Cubae valued, could easily swing that either way. Was its utility happiness, as in human utilitarianism? Well then, it was probably a good creature. Was its value "life" by some metric, no matter the state? Well, then it was evil, because it would prefer a tortured life than no life. Did it value the continued existence of whipped cream? Then it wss probably still evil.
07:36:56 parisbre56: things are exploding at work, gotta go. later
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07:37:19 syv: I'm talking purely about original canon, FYIl
07:37:40 Devastator: it was done because Kyubei would rather not delete any part of his multiverse-wide collection of infinite bad movies.
07:38:19 ER: it was done to fuel the war effort against inferior lifeforms
07:38:37 ER: duh, what else would you use energy for
07:52:27 ER:
syv, if I happen to have both MC and DwR, would I get any added oomph out of forcing some minions to sing along?
07:55:43 syv: Sure, if the minions were useful to that end.
07:56:06 syv: And I strugfle to think of minions that *wouldn't* be useful, so there you go.
07:56:49 ER: Okay, if I have a Shade who has DwR herself, could I help by singing along? :P
08:00:02 ER: what would make minions not useful for that anyways
08:07:04 syv: If they were totally incapable of dancing or carrying a tune then they'd be worthless.
08:07:33 syv: But, like, even if you tried to make mice or zombies dance, I'd let it work. Trees won't help you, probably.
08:11:16 syv: Sophia might not realize that.
08:11:51 ER: I'm going to say that I understand that trees don't have minds
08:12:06 syv: Does she understand that cars don't have minds?
08:12:11 ER: I mean, they're obviously not alive, like rocks and stuff
08:12:28 ER: no, cars are alive because they crawl around
08:13:51 syv: They also growl and move and talk.
08:21:56 ER: "what sophia thinks the world is like" is certainly a facinating topic
08:22:43 ER: dammit, how can I figure out how to use an mp3 player without being able to read
08:23:03 Devastator: I heard of a kid who could do that and not read.
08:23:08 Devastator: you look at the colour or shape of the icon.
08:25:28 ER: do rodents have worse, the same, or better will saves than humans?
08:25:46 Devastator: probably pretty bad.
08:27:39 syv: I think you could just hit buttons on an MP3 player until it starts playing, assuming it has songs and stuff.
08:27:55 syv: Rodents are worse than humans but closer to humans than you are.
08:28:23 ER: right, it's the cats that have better than humans...
08:29:46 ER: If I get someone to teach me how to drive, can I just Joy instead of Innocence? :V
08:30:41 Devastator: How good are Cursed MG's will saves compared to humans?
08:30:55 ER: at that point I'll have the power of god and eurobeat on my side
08:32:50 Devastator: I was comparing the power of god to the power of eurobeat.
08:34:09 Devastator: mmm. Closer to humans than rats?
08:34:15 Devastator: (Cursed MG will saves.)
08:35:14 syv: Do you really need to ask that?
08:36:00 Devastator: just amusing myself.
08:37:48 ER: If I MC someone and they raise the cost, is the cost risen for life for that target or does it reset if I break the connection?
08:37:55 ER: Or maybe just if time passes?
08:45:57 syv: If you break the MC and retry, cost stays the same unless a lot of time has passed. Maybe even if it has.
08:52:15 Devastator: would it end if the person becomes a magical girl after raising the cost?
09:30:35 ER: What happens if I incite someone who's already mind controlled?
09:31:00 ER: They seem to be effectively knocked out, so I dunno if that works
09:31:27 syv: I suppose it'd prolly debuff their rolls to resist.
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11:17:50 parisbre56: heh. that was great. I was trying to keep myself from laughing
11:19:24 parisbre56: "Is that a banana in your pocket? then I guess I'm happy to see you." - Adelaide Stark, probably
11:21:28 ER: I'll be interested to see if she accepts the offer.
11:23:52 parisbre56: hmm. let me check if
syv said I succeeded in making lunch, if not then she may have need of a banana
11:24:41 ER: bribing people with food ALWAYS works.
11:33:28 parisbre56: well, it is one of the leading causes of bitchiness
11:34:28 ER: Sophia has a revolver hidden in the other pocket, which always works when the bribe fails to.
11:39:35 parisbre56: just point at someone and they die
11:45:10 ER: Also a useful negotiation tool!
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21:21:51 Radio_Controlled: Is this thing on?
22:55:38 Radio_Controlled: Man, lotta crickets this tme of year.
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