01:25:06 Devastator: I hope
syv updates today.
01:26:44 Devastator: I do want to see Sophie introduced..
01:27:55 ER: I'm going to decide right here that Sophia doesn't like being called that
01:40:09 Devastator: What does Sophia look like?
01:41:04 ER: probably a pencil scribble because I'm not goo at drawing people~
01:43:03 ER: um, pretty short, dark red hair, fairly dark skin.
01:43:48 ER: I put her as 14 but
syv thought she should be the oldest so she's 15
01:44:53 Devastator: Could be oldest in soul.
01:45:00 Devastator: not necessarily oldest body, but..
01:45:23 ER: no time shenanigans yet, so nah
01:47:03 ER: also that was decided... 19 months ago, so I don't think now is the time to change it :P
01:51:04 Devastator: I more meant oldest in soul as in recieved the most suffering.
01:53:19 Devastator: Well.. yeah. Wasn't your character a slave?
02:10:15 Devastator: and you beat the pants off the first witch which was supposed to kill you.
02:11:09 ER: that might not be exactly what happened
02:11:55 Devastator: Maybe not. Still, none of us witnessed the events..
02:11:57 ER: not sure how she survived really
02:12:05 Devastator: so say whatever you like.
02:12:40 ER: really might just not talk about it at first
02:26:40 Devastator: "I wish I had a functioning Master Ball."
02:27:00 ER: congrats, you have a master ball and nothing to use it on
02:27:52 Devastator: Yeah, them's the issues..
02:28:01 Devastator: although I'd bet you could catch stuff in it.
02:28:18 Devastator: may as well wish for a literal Pokémon then.
02:29:08 Devastator: You could do better, yes.
02:29:10 Devastator: but it would be cute.
02:30:15 ER: little cat squirrel with a bunch of different elemental metamoprphesies
02:30:38 Devastator: Make it your backup character. ;-p
02:31:17 ER: jungle girl creative with a pet pokemon? guess that's an option
02:31:26 Devastator: Wouldn't have to be a Cre.
02:31:33 Devastator: might be a better idea for a love, say.
02:31:36 ER: didn't have a wish idea for that character fragment anyway
02:31:47 Devastator: support your pokemon instead of another character.
02:31:53 ER: nah, backup character's gotta be cre
02:32:23 Devastator: The TOTEM would be a pokéball.
02:33:04 Devastator: then you could loan them out to your friends to level them up.
02:33:20 ER: if it worked you could go around capturing pet tigers and such :P
02:33:31 Devastator: Or capture a kitten and level it into a tiger.
02:34:06 Devastator: feed your eevee a battery to turn it into a Jolteon.
02:34:09 ER: eh, the ball itself isn't what supports pokemon "evolution"
02:34:28 Devastator: Yeah, it's because pokemon are fucked up little things.
02:35:51 Devastator: Might need both. Totem pokeballs and wishing that creatures you capture with them become pokémon or like pokémon.
02:36:09 Devastator: Not sure how you'd heal them.
02:36:12 Devastator: be a Mercy instead?
02:37:53 Devastator: Soothe does work on non-magical girls.
02:38:59 ER: and obviously eevees are 100% good boys and girls and have perpetually full souls, so soothe has a good synergy there ;P
02:39:41 Devastator: What was the charge to heal that cat?
02:43:22 Devastator: Might vary due to creatures.
02:43:25 Devastator: cats are kinda evil..
02:43:59 ER: not sure how that all works
02:44:00 Devastator: Still, moderate to heal, say, something launching foot-wide ice beams from its mouth would be worth paying.
02:45:55 Devastator: Might be best to team up with a couple others.
02:47:36 Devastator: I know
Syv adores the idea of combo-magic, even if nobody does it.
02:47:44 Devastator: Might have to do some of that when the witches get more serious.
02:47:58 ER: I'll be sure to come up with an excuse to use it
02:53:47 Devastator: Or vice-versa. Probably going to take a level of DwR if it's available.
02:53:54 Devastator: Should be some combos there.
02:54:34 ER: mostly want to test what shenanigans MC I can get up to with MC
02:57:01 Devastator: well, there's one I can think of.
02:57:10 Devastator: don't know if I'd trust Sophia with it, though.
02:58:54 Devastator:
syv mentioned that if Alida is thinking her way to body changes, MC would make it vastly more effective.
02:59:06 Devastator: ..but that's quite a bit of trust there.
03:00:51 ER: Heh, I don't need your trust.
03:01:31 ER: oh hey, the whole current party has poor will saves
03:02:30 ER: sadly Ada will have a harder save, which will make trolling her more expensive
03:02:41 Devastator: Am isn't that low..
03:03:12 Devastator: Well, if you successfully MC Alida, I won't punish you for it.
03:03:21 Devastator: It's screwing up where that might happen. ;-p
03:03:50 Devastator: Of course, it does seem like a temporary effect.
03:04:19 ER: MC doesn't fail unless you save enough times that it costs more than I'm willing to pay.
03:06:28 Devastator: still temp, though. I don't think the price goes down, ever.
03:06:34 Devastator: going to be rough fighting a Purity witch.
03:07:09 ER: that's what you've got me for~
03:08:36 Devastator: No-one took Cursed Purity.
03:08:50 ER: yeah that would probably be a bad idea
03:09:11 ER: almost as bad an idea as cursed Mercy v_v
03:09:20 Devastator: I think that could be lived with.
03:09:53 Devastator: Easiest one is cursed Bravery for a non-melee character.
03:10:32 ER: uh, no you don't really want cursed Bravery
03:10:37 Devastator: pokeball girl would probably be Cursed Bravery and Innocence.
03:10:50 ER: it's fine until it means you're utterly fucked
03:11:06 Devastator: Yup! But same applies to everything.
03:11:23 Devastator: I wonder if you can wish for a boosted stat.
03:15:20 Devastator: Might not be so bad if you have someone Prattle you that turn.
03:15:35 Devastator: or any turn really.
03:15:37 Devastator: that's a nice power.
03:15:57 ER: well we can hope that Ada has my back then, right? ;P
03:16:28 ER: sadly I don't have prattle yet
03:17:13 ER: everything else is a bit stuck at mediocre
03:18:17 Devastator: I should be able to handle the heavy lifting... and, no offense, any character would help more than Asha.
03:19:05 Devastator: We do now have no healer.
03:19:19 Devastator: Which may force me to take regeneration, dammit.
03:19:37 Devastator: I wonder if you can hurt an effigy to heal the other effigy.
03:19:53 Devastator: That's a handy power.
03:20:37 Devastator: "Any power which affects you affects all effigies identically."
03:20:38 ER: keep in mind that two-target Triage costs two minors and I don't have the most soul.
03:20:50 ER: oh yeah that was just changed
03:20:59 Devastator: well, if I take Painless 3, all it means is I need one body fine at the end of the fight.
03:21:08 Devastator: Pfft, it's a nerf in some ways, but a buff in others.
03:21:42 ER: wait maybe that means I can transfer a wound from one body to the other without paying the extra cost because they both count as the same body for the purposes of powers
03:22:02 Devastator: could be 'same individual.'
03:22:50 Devastator: Triage is also a secondary.
03:25:17 Devastator: Might allow you to touch one body, heal the other, because it's the same thing.
03:25:34 Devastator: or touch one body, Triage it better, wound an enemy, and have that same heal mirrored on the one in melee.
03:25:58 ER: I'm sure that soothe is just mirrored
03:26:09 Devastator: or I'll just take regeneration. It was fun tweaking
syv by taking zero levels in it, but I could give that up.
03:26:51 ER: hey, you do have regen L0 now ;D
03:28:24 Devastator: You're low on soul? I thought you'd be fine having a grief seed to yourself.
03:28:49 Devastator: well, take it careful then.
03:30:51 ER: ate it from the inside, maybe
03:31:35 ER: or maybe it's just what happens any time you try to mind control a L27 witch while your body is dead
03:32:53 Devastator: and good to know that MCing witches is bad.
03:36:37 Devastator: don't have to tell me.
03:36:58 Devastator: Oh man, not knowing how much soul you have would suck.
03:38:27 Devastator: I wonder if soul levels change the description or just increase the amount you have at each stage.
03:38:42 Devastator: I think you said Immaculate Soul adds levels.
03:38:56 Devastator: but there's still the 'feed to Pumsy' option.
03:39:32 ER: Determinion adds soul levels above normal
03:39:56 ER: Immaculate Souls gives physical resistance to enviromental shit
03:42:12 Devastator: Det would be a good dip for one purity level.
03:42:17 Devastator: although so would lots of things, really.
03:42:46 ER: Determination is the Innocence passive
03:43:04 Devastator: coloured text, my enemy.
03:45:24 Devastator: you know, fighting a bravery witch will be hell.
03:45:30 Devastator: "Painless 3, I'm immortal."
03:46:19 ER: As I said, Effigies are free minions to my MC
03:46:50 ER: alternatively I tell Alida to grow a pair and just go rip its soul out
03:47:26 Devastator: That's the plan.. but how?
03:48:01 ER: when I say jump, ask how far on the way up
03:49:25 Devastator: "Where's the soul, dammit?"
03:50:12 ER: <Less thinking, more ripping and tearing!>
03:50:17 Devastator: "Dammit, Sasha, if I was a werewolf, I could just eat the thing piece by piece."
03:50:27 ER: (yeah, I need to get Prattle)
03:50:43 Devastator: Also, that'd be an amusing way to gaslight someone.
03:50:58 Devastator: DwR "It's a small world after all, until they live in a closet with no exit."
03:52:01 Devastator: just sorta seal their house off.
03:53:52 ER: I'll probably favor Passives with cross-levels
03:54:02 ER: because passives.... are nice
03:54:41 Devastator: Hmm.. joy one is Gormet.
03:55:17 Devastator: ..nah, taking DwR. Unless there's like two joy levels available, which seems unlikely.
03:56:01 Devastator: Although, unless there are more deaths, probably going to be two witches before the next chance at a seed.
03:56:37 ER: would be a tough choice between innocent powers because... yeah they're all pretty neat
03:58:19 Devastator: Teleportation is best, but the others are great choices.
03:59:57 Devastator: Eh, maybe just try to save everyone next witch.
04:00:03 Devastator: and if I'm stuck doing all the heavy lifting again..
04:04:49 Devastator: Looks like RGU is punting on wishing.
04:04:54 Devastator: anything you want to suggest?
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04:33:53 Devastator is sad at RGU punting.
04:35:53 Devastator: AGP got posted today, not up on the website.
04:36:28 syv: Love *is* terrible. I decided very early on that I wanted them to be a single-target focused support class, and then designed memento, loved the concept.
04:36:29 ER: I've realized that I've never had a problem with how insufferably edgy shadow the hedgehog is, the only problem is that he's an edgy tiny chibi cartoon animal
04:37:12 Devastator: Loves are supposed to be terrible, got it.
04:37:30 syv: I've never had any like for the hedgehogs, though I've never disliked them either. The whole thing kinda just elicits a shrug from mw.
04:38:18 Devastator: although having the level 2 memento 'share stats with another player' would be a good dip.
04:38:20 syv: They're not supposed to be terrible. They're supposed to be focused. Problem is, the way I implemented that limits their freedom and ability to be creative with their powers.
04:39:18 Devastator: Just cut the discount to one level at level 3, and cut many of the other prices by a single level.
04:39:41 ER: heghogs were extremely entertaining to a child version of me
04:39:43 syv: Pretty much the whole class's creativity is locked up into one power, Summon Shade. The rest of the powers are really good, very strong, and ridiculously efficient on an L3 memento, but they're not really flexible. It's a Real Man -style stat hog.
04:39:59 Devastator: Not that efficient.
04:40:11 Devastator: and you can't even shield someone else, for instance.
04:40:19 ER: I've not actually played a sonic game in a pretty super long time
04:40:28 Devastator: The instant you take Memento L3, you're screwed.
04:40:37 syv: Nah, that wouldn't fix the problem. The powers are still very limited. If shield were cheaper, it'd have more freedom, but it'd need to be weaker because an even-vaugely spammable immunity button is broken.
04:41:05 Devastator: I wouldn't cheapen shield.
04:41:18 Devastator: The others, yeah. Might make shield a little better, but not cheaper.
04:41:49 Devastator: TBH, it's playable, really.
04:42:11 syv: It's really really not weaker.
04:42:19 syv: It's the strongest class in the game...
04:42:24 Devastator: It's like a lot weaker.
04:42:41 Devastator: Empathy is useful but not a net gain.
04:42:51 Devastator: shield is useful, but not that great either.
04:42:54 syv: Use it before seeds. Strongest soul heal.
04:43:10 syv: Shield is invulnerability on a secondary.
04:43:15 Devastator: Other than flagellation.
04:43:40 syv: No, no, flag is a LOT weaker, even on a seed, because it has a max.
04:44:19 syv: Do you really think I'd let you multiply seed heals with flag?
04:44:41 Devastator: Should be able to, though.
04:44:50 syv: That's such an obvious and ridiculously broken exploit, there's no way I'd allow that.
04:45:00 Devastator: flag someone four-five times, soothe, use grief seed.
04:45:31 syv: Yeah, you have no clue how much soul that is. :P
04:45:49 Devastator: but if I don't, how can I judge Empathy?
04:46:09 syv: You can't! So you gotta trust the guy who actually knows the numbers and ran them.
04:46:21 Devastator: or you could flag four-five times, soothe, flag four-five times again, soothe again, and then grief seed yourself.
04:46:42 Devastator: I can't use empathy if I don't know the numbers!
04:47:09 Devastator: at least with flag, you're dealing with smallish numbers.
04:47:55 ER: empathy doesn't do anything unless you use it to murder someone and is therefore boring unless you use it to murder someone and obviously isn't designed for murder
04:48:12 syv: Which would run into the cap. Flag's fluff is the Mercy patching holes by ripping other bits apart, and spending a bit of her soul for access. She goes for the biggest holes first, and then will go onto smaller holes if it's spammed, eventually getting to the point where she's breaking even and then doing nothing.
04:48:25 Devastator: oh, so flag is capped then.
04:49:09 Devastator: well, we don't have a Mercy anymore, so it's irrelevant.
04:50:24 ER: what happens if RGU decides on a wish anyway?
04:50:37 Devastator: Presumably we get our first on-camera wish.
04:51:04 syv: First in thread, third in game.
04:51:44 syv: Actually got a full day's sleep for once, so I should be able to actually write stuff. Don't wanna though.
04:51:56 syv: (
ER) empathy doesn't do anything unless you use it to murder someone and is therefore boring unless you use it to murder someone and obviously isn't designed for murder
04:52:06 syv: See this, this is a good point and is the core of the problem.
04:52:34 syv: Used well, empathy is damn near broken, but that proper use is hard to do and boring to do.
04:52:48 Devastator: It's not an entertaining party.
04:53:40 ER: I'll finish my ramen and if you're writing by then I'll start on TH
04:54:22 syv: The rest of the powers broadly follow that; AF is the strongest success buff in the game, almost negating all rolls a person might need to make. Especially in concert with memento's skill buff, which actually does negate rolls. Which is damn near broken. But it's also boring; "you success" is an uninteresting button.
04:54:44 Devastator: That one isn't so bad.
04:55:12 Devastator: Shield can do lots of stuff, not just invulnerability.
04:55:23 syv: WL is bad at early levels, and then grows into "You're invulnerable but also any hits you take damage the enemy too", or alternatively "Your buddy is invulnerable but you're immobile".
04:55:53 Devastator: hug the enemy to hurt the enemy.
04:55:53 syv: Shield can do lots of stuff, but it's too expensive for that to be wise use, but too strong to be much cheaper.
04:56:06 ER: change Loves so that they have Memento and Shades and that's it
04:58:36 syv: SS is a good power even alone, because it outright steals and improves on another class's entire powerset, but it gets crazy good with empathy and basically any love power. You can actually be creative with it too, since you're using another powerset and another body, but it's still a somewhat limited power due to being DS and needing supporting powers.
04:59:34 ER: loves have no powers but can use pokemon
04:59:34 syv: And I say all this, and I'm honestly not even sure it should be changed. Thoughtless numberbeasts aren't an entirely bad archetype. Some people want to play that kind of character!
05:00:08 ER: an a fairly RP-based game where a large portion of the numbers are outright hidden from view :P
05:00:25 Devastator: Mina should have played a Love, then.
05:00:30 Devastator: just pick who to buff this turn.
05:01:07 syv: Twin would've been great with a Love! "Help the others." Maybe she'd've had to throw in power suggestions occasionally, but even then you've got +success, +defense, and +∞defense. Not all that hard to choose from in most cases.
05:01:19 ER: pick who to buff: [memento target] [empty slot] [empty slot] [empty slot]
05:01:45 Devastator: yeah, Memento 3 is not a good choice.
05:01:53 Devastator: well, great if you have a two MG team.
05:02:03 syv: Love is actually balanced around having only Memento L2, BTW. L3 is deliberately a faustian choice, and shouldn't be made before grabbing SS.
05:02:08 Devastator: or a Love soloing with a pokémon.
05:02:19 ER: this is me, this is my mate, we fight monsters
05:03:41 Devastator: Although if WL isn't changed, you'd want to just throw the love at the witch for the win.
05:03:49 ER: like Flo before nik ruined everything for everyone by edgy limit breaking ;-;
05:03:51 Devastator: Hugs for immortality.
05:06:13 syv: Yeah. As I said before, I don't like how WL works now, and can't figure out what to do with it. Replacing it with a hadouken, as suggested before, might work. Maybe another kind of attack, or a different power to act as a creativity sink. I don't know, and I don't have to know, because Love isn't used by anyone.
05:06:58 Devastator: Hmm, so you want a creativity outlet?
05:07:15 ER: prior suggestion to turn love into a shade-based class stands :P
05:07:34 syv: Yes, and preferably something with the same theme that Love already has.
05:07:42 Devastator: Maybe something item-based, that is, you making gifts for your crush or someone else.
05:08:27 syv: Basing a class entirely around one power, especially a DS power, is not a good idea IMO. Plus Love is already the worst offender there, don't wanna stack more.
05:08:57 syv: Item-based powers are literally the best suggestion I've heard yet, so shut up before I actually start writing it instead of something rhat actually matters.
05:09:13 syv: Write up any ideas related to that and put them somewhere I can't see. -.-
05:11:10 syv: Oh, that was the other use of Empathy: abusing DS mechanics with other classes.
05:11:39 syv: It's a minor that powers up allies' strongest powers, if they build for them.
05:11:50 syv: Or a cheap/free for the memento.
05:12:00 ER: I never know what you mean when you say DS powers you should just call them edgy powers
05:12:27 syv: Fine, I'll call them DaS powers.
05:13:01 ER: when do we unlock demon soul powers and blood powers?
05:15:50 Devastator: Have to wish those into existance.
05:15:53 syv: When people pay me for DLC.
05:16:16 syv: Alternatively, when I actually play through those games.
05:18:09 ER: definately need blood powers
05:18:32 ER: replace WL with something something BLOOD
05:22:03 Devastator: "I wish I could consume human souls to gain power." ;-p
05:22:38 syv: I guess it's my fault Tactihell won't update, so go be happy and play Sekiro or something.
05:24:18 ER: how will I be happy playing sekiro
05:24:32 ER: I have no more exploring, only bosses
05:26:53 Devastator: No Dana, only Zuul.
05:27:42 syv: Bosses are the best part though?
05:28:11 ER: they keep fucking killing meeee
05:28:46 syv: Go play Hyper Light Drifter then, you die less in that game and the general exploration is a lot more fun.
05:29:16 Devastator: Super Hot version of Dark Souls?
05:29:22 ER: any game where I can go to a new place where the things to fight aren't entirely bullshit is a go be happy button
05:29:44 ER: a tough boi in a round arena is fun, but I won't be, uh, happy
05:30:06 syv: OH YEAH THAT WAS IN THE LOGS WHERE IS IT I WANT IT
05:30:35 Devastator: Ahh, good to know I can make someone happy.
05:32:18 ER: was seemingly made as a secret surprise mod for lobos, and he just tried it earlier today when I happened to tune in
05:33:28 syv: Same as Scorched Contract, I guess.
05:33:44 ER: nexus says no new mods today for DS1 or DSR
05:34:16 syv: Oh,
Dev, Effigy wasn't actually changed. "Effects" have always applied to all effigies, I just made that clear.
05:34:36 syv: CC is an effect, as is MC, AF, Prattle, etc.
05:34:43 ER: what happens when I hit one with Triage then
05:34:57 syv: Manabolt, outburst, and triage are not effects, they just cause someone to be injured.
05:35:12 Devastator: mmm, so it'd be same-person to injure one to un-injure another?
05:35:20 Devastator: Man, doing blood loss with that will be weird.
05:35:50 syv: I can't parse that but you could injure an effigy by transferring a wound from one of your bodies or another MG, then dispell that effigy at no cost.
05:36:35 Devastator:
ER's touching the one with the soul gem, and injuring that one to un-injure the effigy doing the actual fighting, somewhere else.
05:37:00 ER: eh, still two minor for me rather than one, if I'm paying double cost I'd rather target something useful.
05:37:15 syv: WL would apply to all effigies (and, if you're the reciever, would dilute wounds between them), Soothe would be weird but I think I'd rule that it heals all effigies. Not sure if it was ever used like that, but luckily nobody has it anymore.
05:37:51 ER: why would I do that? you have painless, I'd heal the one not in the process of being disposed.
05:38:12 syv: Hmm. Yeah, I suppose wounds could be counted as being on the same person even if they're on different effigies and distant.
05:38:47 syv: "Distant" is the troubling part there, and I'd let the ability work even if the target were a hundred-foot-tall giant, so yeah.
05:40:20 Devastator: Asha has never had to heal more than one body at a time.
05:40:44 Devastator: although Painless III is probably going to break down at some point.
05:40:59 Devastator: A completely annhiliated effigy would probably start dispersing after a long time.
05:41:39 ER: I should MC something and then look at its soul using Mercy-vision
05:41:45 syv: A completely annihilated effigy is a ghost and has difficulty interacting with the world. Goes for Alida's main body too, though.
05:42:01 Devastator: So it would stop working then.
05:42:45 Devastator: What if it's something like just a leg?
05:43:03 Devastator: (Partly for me, partly in case we end up fighting a bravery witch.)
05:45:21 syv: You'd be fine, be able to run and jump as normal, but kicks would be of debatable value.
05:46:42 syv: It's... softly defined in my head, but generally effigy ghost-stuff doesn't act as a good force carrier, just as a general purpose limb. An arm can still carry stuff, and can punch, but that punch is going to be weaker.
05:47:01 Devastator: so punch with the limb that's there.
05:47:20 Devastator: and hitting with the one surviving limb on something with Berzerker 3 will be something to see.
05:47:50 syv: Maybe I should just nerf it and say that Painless ghost-stuff is equivalent in all ways to your normal human body, but *isn't* affected by effects like CC and whatnot.
05:48:02 Devastator: That might be a little much.
05:48:19 syv: Right now it's just as good as long as rhe ghost is holding a rock or totem, so yeah.
05:48:37 Devastator: I'd have it weaken over time.
05:48:41 Devastator: at least with effigies.
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05:49:30 ER: Don't nerf painless III, then you'd have to retcon Isabella's memories of it being fucking badass
05:49:38 Devastator: I think that if I press it with the body carrying a soul gem, that's enough risk to balance it out.
05:50:41 Devastator: but an effigy should probably start dispersing.
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05:52:01 syv: Mm. I'd be more likely to rule that an effigy needs *some* body left over, and dissipates without.
05:52:34 syv: Gradual stuff is hard to track and therefore inconsistent.
05:52:56 ER: this way we get to keep "who needs the left side of your body anyway" aspect ;P
05:53:00 Devastator: Maybe it is just visible for another turn, but gone.
05:53:12 Devastator: can't do anything, but can still be seen.
05:53:45 Devastator: although if it's got the soul gem, it's as described, total annihiliation cannot stop you.
05:55:50 syv: Technically that's still a part of the body, so adding caveat like "as long as some part of you exists". Get rid of "total annihilation", since that would no longer be accurate.
05:56:29 Devastator: I think we know what that means.
05:57:10 syv: ...It'd probably also mean you can keep all the ghosty effigies as long as they stay within 15' of an L2 TK soul gem. Maybe need the TK to be active, I'unno.
05:57:37 syv: We'll see how it performs in the next lab.
05:58:54 Devastator: That shouldn't be a problem.
05:59:05 Devastator: I don't see that being very abusable.
06:48:01 Devastator: Oop.. looks like RGU might have an idea.
06:48:07 Devastator: "What about wishing for more levels?"
06:48:16 Devastator: ..well, should be possible. Go get that wording.
06:48:19 Devastator: albeit a bit boring.
06:49:42 Devastator: Eh, I'll say nothing.
07:09:13 Devastator: Would you accept pokemon trainer for having low combat stats? Or would Cursed Bravery and Skilled Joy be the minimum?
07:09:20 Devastator: I mean, such a char would be able to kill things.
07:13:11 syv: I'd probably accept any configuration from you if you could defend and justify it. The rule about having good stats is to help prevent people from accidentally making themselves entirely useless.
07:13:52 syv: I don't think pokémon would be good enough for that to work well, unless you had a couple missions as a ward or were a support class built to make it work.
07:14:53 Devastator: I was looking at Mercies and Loves for that role.. so maybe?
07:15:12 Devastator: (and there are some pretty brutal pokemon. I mean, I'd be bringing like six.)
07:15:23 Devastator: extra ward missions would make them better?
07:15:30 syv: ...Pokémon wouldn't be as powerful as they're shown to be in the anime/sorta the games. If they were, you could pull an Arceus and give the world thr gift of God.
07:15:56 Devastator: but even stuff like firing off flamethrowers or useing several at once.
07:16:07 Devastator: Plus I think some things like healing powers would work ok, too.
07:16:28 Devastator: don't do pokemon, do Fire Emblem.
07:16:33 syv: Extra ward missions make any wish better, if it's reasonable. No ward missions means you'd be getting animals that are basically weird bears and bobcats and whatnot.
07:16:34 Devastator: bring one of those guys into the real world.
07:16:43 Devastator: Ahh, it wouldn't do the good ones.
07:16:50 Devastator: yeah, probably want at least one then.
07:16:54 syv: Add a mission, get some elements and poké magic.
07:17:02 Devastator: six bears is useful, but not that useful.
07:17:46 Devastator: a giant bird with ice beams and a flaming horse, backed up with a telekinetic psychic to ward off blows..
07:18:09 syv: Also: No smart pokémon. Alakazam is still an animal, regardless of what the pokédex says.
07:18:12 Devastator: That would pull your weight.
07:18:39 Devastator: So no acting support, but it could confuse the enemy.
07:19:17 ER: wish: "I want another pumsy"
07:20:11 Devastator: ..Wait, they wouldn't be smart, but wouldn't the character be able to call out orders?
07:20:42 syv: Oh, they'd be smarter than dogs.
07:20:56 syv: Just not smart like humans. More stupid monkeys.
07:21:37 syv: And Alakazam is canonically hyper-intelligent to an impossible degree. Has an IQ of over 9000 or something idiotic.
07:21:44 Devastator: oh yes, ignore that.
07:22:00 Devastator: That's nothing worth thinking about.
07:22:09 syv: Asking for another Pumsy would be a hilariously bad idea and I fully support that wish.
07:22:23 Devastator: although I would expect it to be able to do stuff like Confuse Ray and having good Purity to resist MC attempts and such.
07:23:02 syv: Sure, if the wish is powerful enough to allow that.
07:23:18 Devastator: If I were to do it I'd probably try for at least +1.
07:23:37 Devastator: If I got +2 I'd expect some pretty impressive spells and what not.
07:23:56 Devastator: maaybe not the big stuff like weather control or massive floods through surf.
07:24:21 syv: Yeah, Alakazam has an IQ of 5000, which is impossible unless the standard deviation is insanely high.
07:24:57 Devastator: but +2 would probably start allowing attacks like freezing guys into ice blocks or lightning attacks that do AoE damage.
07:24:58 syv: Maybe humans give all their pokémon IQ tests to inflate their own numbers, that way they don't have to feel guilty about having negative intelligence.
07:25:10 ER: gentlemen, this is the pokemon room, you can't math in here!
07:26:21 syv: They say Alakazam has an IQ of 5000, but what they don't say is that Ash has an IQ of 4577, which is considered unusually idiotic.
07:27:17 Devastator: a mere.. 29 standard deviations below average, that. ;-p
07:28:06 syv: Pretty sure that's impossible.
07:29:56 syv: Yeah, you start to exceed the real world's population at 6.3 standard deviations.
07:30:32 ER: maybe pokeworld is stupidly overpopulated
07:30:50 Devastator: I doubt it, they have like 15 guys per city.
07:31:09 Devastator: About a dozen per game.
07:31:22 ER: and they'll keep making games forever
07:31:22 syv: That's why they have to have pokemon included in the test.
07:31:28 Devastator: the overpopulation problem is with pokemon, where they have like 3000 animals in a patch of grass.
07:31:43 ER: and what, they're all very shy?
07:31:58 syv: Breeders create millions of new pidgeys every year, have them take IQ tests, then jam them in PCs so that they never die and leave the population.
07:32:16 Devastator: I suppose that would be a way to make +0 work.
07:32:20 Devastator: bring more than six.
07:33:06 Devastator: I'd object if you said fewer than six.
07:33:58 Devastator: hmm, now what would be the best +0 pokemon..
07:34:25 Devastator: maybe a Scizor, the oversized flying bug with blade arms.
07:35:23 syv: I like scizor. Pokémon that I like are good choices.
07:35:39 Devastator: well, I'd pick things fairly simple to understand.
07:35:55 Devastator: "Look, it's a good-sized bear."
07:36:07 syv: Most of the URL was cruft.
07:36:43 Devastator: "it's a big catfish"
07:37:10 Devastator: "It's a rock with arms."
07:38:45 ER: its a fucking fire laser emitter
07:39:17 Devastator: That might take a plus.
07:39:29 syv: Just don't choose anything that came after Gen III, unless it's Zorua/Zoroark, because I like that one.
07:40:02 Devastator: I don't know anything from beyond Gen III.
07:40:22 Devastator: you capture wild animals in balls.
07:40:27 Devastator: make them fight for your entertainment.
07:40:57 syv: I only know some from Monk12's playthrough of Black, and it soldified my opinion that good designs mostly stopped after Gen III.
07:41:34 Devastator: Seems quite likely, that.
07:41:48 syv: Last gen (I think) had the fire started be a flame kitten, but then it evolves into a professional wrestler so fuck that.
07:42:02 Devastator: For some reason they keep doing that.
07:42:03 syv: Missed the perfect chance to have a lion with a fire mane...
07:42:22 Devastator: I think there are like 11 fire/fighting pokemon.
07:42:29 Devastator: They did do dog with fire mane.
07:43:18 ER: oh, incineroar is in smash bros
07:43:20 syv: "What if every pokemon was fire/fighting?"
07:43:40 syv: Best starter isn't even in the main games, it's in the Uranium fangame. Grass/steel kitten.
07:45:59 Devastator: which is also utterly terrible.
07:47:18 syv: Rest of the game may suck but that design is the best, screw you.
07:47:22 Devastator: I could live with electric zebra.
07:48:04 syv: Orchynx, apparently. Evolves into Metalynx.
07:48:49 Devastator: How about that one?
07:49:47 syv: Yeah. Monk12 had a regular side thing with that one, parodying the Secret Agent Perry sequences from Phineas and Ferb.
07:49:56 syv: Its design is meh. Persian is better.
07:49:59 Devastator: God, some of these are just horrid.
07:50:21 syv: Oh, I know that one from a Drawfee episode.
07:50:42 syv: Or... not. Its evolution, I guess.
07:56:23 Devastator: cly it walks by moving the girder, somehow.
08:01:36 ER: I stole Doga's spear from her inventory already, why and where did it go?
08:02:01 syv: He took one of their spears.
08:02:29 ER: he took chief's rifle spear
08:03:10 syv: And a normal spear this update, right?
08:03:31 ER: oh, maybe I removed it when she tried to punch you, because it took me a little to remember you don't have to drop the 2h weapon to attemp a grab
08:37:12 syv: www.pokemon-sunmoon.com/en-us/pokemon/salandit/
08:37:22 syv: Salandit emits toxic gas, together with flames, from the base of its tail. This poisonous gas has a sweet smell, and anyone who unknowingly breathes it in will become dizzy. Salandit is not a very powerful Pokémon, but its cunning nature allows it to battle fiercely by throwing its opponents off balance.
08:37:22 syv: Salandit females not only release toxic gases, they can also emit pheromones that attract males of all species, including Pokémon and humans. Inhaling these pheromones may cause opponents to be controlled by Salandit’s will.
08:37:41 syv: This is from the actual pokemon company site
08:39:14 Devastator: oh god, I got
syv distracted.
08:39:45 ER: back to work, magical girl-writing slave
08:41:10 Devastator: Was that what they kept Sophia for?
08:42:04 Devastator: Where you put that hyphen really matters.
08:43:12 ER: I feel like I aimed it pretty well, but I'm not great at anything at all ever really
08:44:10 syv: I'm not magical, even if you could call me a "girl-writing slave", so you aimed it incorrectly.
08:44:56 ER: what, magical-girl-writing?
08:45:06 ER: I thought that was not what you did with those
08:45:34 Devastator: you can have multiple hyphens.
08:45:55 ER: but magical girl doesn't usually have a hyphen
08:46:14 Devastator: magical girl writing.
09:29:16 ER: spariots wanted to "search for cool stuff", so I made a comprehensive list of lootable shit
09:30:26 ER: I included the clothing the demons were wearing. three mook dogs and one leader dog, so three loincloths and one robe
09:31:38 ER: a while later I realized that one of those mook dogs would not actually be dead yet and indeed be healthy by the end of the turn, so I might not want to imply that her loincloth is lootable at the moment
09:32:14 ER: and so I decreased that 3 to a 2
09:34:32 ER: though I also listed four corpses up for grabs at first so yeah I was a bit abscent minded
09:35:02 ER: right now that's down to zero corpses because other people have actually claimed them already!
09:35:13 Devastator: bodies bodies bodies
09:35:57 Devastator: one more than the comic.
09:50:45 Devastator: Ahh, Pikasprey, never change.
09:50:48 Devastator: "The spelling mistake is here to stay."
09:51:04 Devastator: Pikasprey is bad at naming things.
09:53:20 ER: you know, I'm not sure if Dogic happening to roll a 5 to know english is helpful for the Scribe here or just the opposite
10:15:49 syv: And I get a loading screen in a fucking PbP game.
10:16:40 syv: ...Is Rakiit's voice pink?
10:20:56 syv: Oh, so I had a thought while talking to
MJ a little while ago. Could I swap some of Alexander's points out of Keep-Hold? Since that stat isn't used outside of death, it wouldn't be retconning anything, and it's somewhat unlikely to ever be used due to the game's slow pace and Alexander's armor/intelligence.
10:21:44 ER: *sweeps all the deathtraps under the counter*
10:21:55 syv: Cool! Now just to figure out how to distribute those points...
10:22:26 syv: Would I need to obtain a bag to carry more than two items?
10:23:24 ER: advanced inventory mechanics is for the next game system~
10:26:38 syv: Should've though about this when we found the platinum warhammer.
10:27:12 ER: your inventory limit is stamina, which nobody levels
10:28:23 syv: I honestly expected people to choose that! It's a good stat if you aren't a dodgy gunner or invulnerable knight.
10:29:09 ER: I mean, it would have probably been good for the stim addict with a heavy weapon as well...
10:30:35 ER: the strange thing is that so many people max out focus when you can't really use focus proactively.
10:31:10 ER: And Determination literally can be added as a bonus to any roll. It says that near the TOP of the massive ruleset!
10:32:10 ER: spariots seemed to have tried to use his stupid pool of focus proactively for a knife toss, and that's not what focus fucking does!
10:32:29 ER: If he had a massive Determination pool instead, it would have actually worked!
10:35:38 syv: Determination doesn't replenish though, and it's the only HP-like thing in a game where all attacks are oneshots.
10:36:10 ER: yeah but they're stupid and shouln't care about that. :P
10:36:18 syv: Focus works as HP if you have armor, like Alexander, so it's useful there, but yeah, the other chars with it are stupid.
10:41:46 syv: Do we really need more than two chars, though?
10:41:58 Devastator: get some better mooks.
10:42:25 ER: I mean, I just hit you with the first fight of the game
10:43:50 syv: And either of our strongest chars could have solo'd it...
10:44:18 syv: Oh hey completely random, but have the two of you read the book "The High Crusade" by Poul Anderson?
10:44:35 ER: yeah I literally don't know shit so I tossed at you the first numbers I thought of that I thought you could beat
10:45:24 ER: so this is the part where things get adjusted too far the other way but it'll be okay because of the corruption mechanic ;p
10:46:07 syv: I hope Alexander's armor doesn't end up causing anti-materiel weapons to be a once-an-encounter affair.
10:49:20 Devastator: might be the occasional candy knife.
10:49:59 syv: Meh. Hopefully I get a good roll when death inevitably comes for Alexander.
10:51:31 syv: Can determination subtract from a roll?
10:52:25 syv: So if I opt to not spend determination recovering from a wound, then die, I can spend determination to survive the resulting corruption?
10:53:10 syv: Does having higher corruption mean more power, or is it just a % towards demonization?
10:53:46 syv: So going demon at 6 corruption means more power than going demon at 3?
10:54:25 ER: corruption maxes out at your max
10:54:26 syv: Okay then, happy with my decision!
10:54:49 syv: Do we go berserk and kill people upon demonating?
10:55:20 syv: ...Well, the important thing is whether we lose control of our characters, or if they become NPCs.
10:57:08 ER: you retain control of your character
10:57:40 ER: your priorities might change, but I'll take you through that transition at least
11:01:02 syv: So... what's actually the penalty for putting points into Determination over Keep-Hold?
11:01:45 syv: To get benefit from KH, you need to park at >3 corruption, which means you're heavily corrupt, and implying that you're fine with playing an almost-demonic character.
11:01:57 ER: hmm? oh, I guess you shouldn't be able to do that
11:02:13 syv: And they function in exactly the same way otherwise, with the difference of Determination being possible to replenish.
11:02:50 syv: Did you just decide that no, one can't spend det on corruption rolls?
11:02:58 ER: this is what happens when you ask me random ass questions when I'm tired
11:03:43 ER: the way I balance things is that I don't. you asked and I said "uh, sure", then I noticed that it doesn't make sense so nah
11:03:43 syv: Can I ask them tomorrow and get a different response?
11:04:04 ER: you can ask them a minute later and get a different response
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18:59:43 Radio_Controlled: Good evening you savages wielding bone tomahawks.
19:04:24 Devastator: How have things been?
19:04:43 Radio_Controlled: Hello Apemantus. Good to see you to, it's been a while.
19:04:55 Radio_Controlled: Good, had a productive day today.
19:05:27 Radio_Controlled: I also just drew the new magic words for a new wizard character.
19:05:42 Radio_Controlled: 'skin', 'shadow', 'glue'.
19:06:01 Devastator: those don't seem that good.
19:06:26 Radio_Controlled: They're not the easiest, no.
19:06:35 Radio_Controlled: But I think she could make them work.
19:07:14 Radio_Controlled: Though I could switch one out for an easier or more straightforward one if she'd prefer, I'll see what she says.
19:07:18 Devastator: Have you seen the guy doing wizard sketches?
19:07:35 Radio_Controlled: Yeah, wizard rumble or something, right?
19:07:53 Radio_Controlled: Wish I could draw like that, they're really neato.
19:08:40 Radio_Controlled: Not gonna sign up though.
19:09:27 Devastator: Probably enough people, anyway.
19:10:00 Devastator: I take it racers is no more?
19:10:41 Radio_Controlled: Yeah, they said they wouldn't mind racing more, but that if possible they'd prefer moving on to something else for the next session.
19:11:22 Radio_Controlled: So I'll wrap up the race, hand out prizes as appropriate, and start them on something else.
19:11:33 Radio_Controlled: I'm thinking of making them climb a tree.
19:14:12 Radio_Controlled: Think more mangrove Yggdrasil. So some manual climbing at first but they'll need to find some way to get up faster eventually. Gonna prep two or three encounters/possibilities for that, but they might also just want to magic their way up.
19:16:23 Devastator: I mean, they are wizards.
19:16:55 Radio_Controlled: One of them is convincing the tree people to let them use their sap stream elevator. Which involves being disassembled and being reassembled at the top, meaning I can make them roll to see if any of their organs end up switched.
19:17:10 Radio_Controlled: Should be funny to get a liver switched with an arm somewhere.
19:19:46 Radio_Controlled: Then once they get to the top, they'll find out the reason they were sent up (retrieve the necromantic cat they revved in the very first session but which kept growing due to their magical incompetence and which is now kaiju sized) was a ruse and it's actually a prison break.
19:20:51 Radio_Controlled: Yeah, the very fist intro mission was to retrieve a kitten from a tree.
19:20:52 Devastator: So what happened with the cat, and what's happening with the prison break?
19:22:34 Radio_Controlled: The tree was a sequoia that was infused with the spirit of the deceased husband of the little old lady that hired them, that kept making fisticuffs at them.
19:23:20 Radio_Controlled: They tried to shrink the tree but didn't roll perfect, and chose minor magical side effects, so that the tree (and cat) became bonsai sized.
19:23:58 Radio_Controlled: One failed dex roll later the cat was but a smear on the fingers of the clumsy magical mercs.
19:24:43 Radio_Controlled: Then to hide their mistake they scraped whatever fur and bits of cat they could find together and used necromancy to revive it, then a grow spell to try and make it the right size.
19:25:13 Radio_Controlled: It sorta worked, the cat was growing slowly but wouldn't stop, so they just handed it to the lady and bugged out with the money.
19:25:52 Devastator: ..how big was it when they cashed it in?
19:25:56 Devastator: I'm imagining that conversation.
19:26:32 Radio_Controlled: However, that wizard race plays losely with things like time and space so by the end of it it'll be a decade in the future at least, so by now the cat has grown and was ravaging the city, the mages who tried to contain it just scared it up the world tree instead.
19:27:03 Radio_Controlled: It was about cat-sized when they gave it back actually, they had the good sense not to stick around long enough for the lady to notice.
19:29:26 Devastator: so they think the current mission is a repeat of their first mission, just scaled up?
19:33:01 Radio_Controlled: Yeah, but when they get near the cat, the person who hired/pressured them into fixing their mess reveals that their mission is just a cover so they can go break someone out of a wizard prison (a cuckoo clock-like contraption hanging from a branch in the world tree). Normally the wizard prison is guarded by magical flying beings like rocs anf the like, but now the cat is playing with those as cats wont to do.
19:33:25 Devastator: so cat likely to get killed, so do the break now.
19:33:36 Devastator: and hope nobody leads with like a fuck-off giant cannon.
19:34:02 Radio_Controlled: The prison is filled with mana-starved mages so that should potentially be pretty funny.
19:34:28 Radio_Controlled: I'll leave it up to them if they wanna try to sneak their way in, try to blend in or just start a prison riot or something.
19:37:04 Radio_Controlled: I'll aso hopefully finally be able to use an npc I've been sitting on since session 1.
19:37:45 Devastator: the old woman who got locked up for claiming she had a growing cat, but it hid when anyone looked for it? ;-p
19:37:56 Radio_Controlled: One guy who was gonna join us then had broken his jaw and told us he could only drink smoothies. So I was gonna cameo him as the smoothiewizard!
19:39:08 Radio_Controlled: With the words 'jaw', 'smoothie' and 'caulk' (his nickname). Gonna make him a badass magic cop.
19:41:04 Radio_Controlled: Wanna give him lip? Enjoy finding yourself in a quicksand-like smoothielake filled with caulk jaw-sharks.
19:43:59 Radio_Controlled: I think all that should be enough to fill a session with.
19:44:13 Radio_Controlled: And I can use the wizard racers I didn't use to fill the prison with.
19:44:26 Radio_Controlled: So I can be lazy too! Yay!
19:44:47 Devastator wants more Cabal updates
19:46:24 Devastator: I hope you guys don't get mind controlled.
19:46:38 Devastator: Miight want to be careful about having an escape route ready.
19:46:39 Radio_Controlled: Here's hoping the magebreakers won't take too long to be convinced to follow you.
19:46:54 Radio_Controlled: Yeah, worst case scenario we'll teleport out of there.
19:47:32 Radio_Controlled: Preferably not, especially not if we have our mercs retreat a bit to escape the magical tiring, but that's our proverbial escape rope.
19:49:10 Radio_Controlled: I think reminding
pw about our sealer suit bought us some more time on the magical sleepiness front.
19:49:15 Devastator: It could be strung out a bit. Might take a day or so.
19:49:18 Devastator: Are you wearing said suit?
19:49:23 Radio_Controlled: But we'll want to not dawdle.
19:49:26 Devastator: It'll mean you aren't wearing your actual armour.
19:49:43 Radio_Controlled: Yeah, both of us are, they can be combined with armor.
19:50:23 Radio_Controlled: At least,
pw never indicated they can't be.
19:52:10 Devastator: Oh.. he kinda did with me. Said that I can only layer stuff with special effort, but if I did that it would then be possible.
19:52:18 Devastator: So maybe you're ok?
19:52:28 Devastator: and the layers wouldn't add to the other die.
19:53:23 Radio_Controlled: Hmm, I suspect that's to prevent people from wearing ten suits of d6 protection on top of each other and becoming practically invulnerable.
19:55:16 Devastator: can't be sure, though. Sealer suits always seemed more elaborate.
19:55:28 Devastator: like they're something very complicated.
19:55:34 Devastator: at least, that's what I thought.
19:56:13 Devastator: I was thinking about wearing d12 fireproof clothing under my actual armour, so I'd get the d12 against fire and the normal protection from the armour.
19:57:21 Radio_Controlled: Could work, dunno if it'd run into the 'armor stacking' rule or if it'd fill a different 'slot' like the sealer suit appears to do.
19:58:52 Devastator: I think he said it would stack if I made extra effort so it would, and it wouldn't help for the same stuff.
19:58:53 Radio_Controlled: A lot of the kidnapped people are dead though it seems.
19:59:02 Devastator: Been going on for years.
19:59:14 Devastator: so the only suprise is that the bodies weren't eaten or used for fertilizer.
19:59:20 Radio_Controlled: Yeah, probably beyond any help.
19:59:39 Devastator: If I had a resurrection word I'd use it on the dead forest, anyway.
20:01:14 Radio_Controlled: Remind me what that is?
20:01:33 Devastator: Near Crocus. The forest was basically tranformed into sorta petrified wood-like stuff.
20:01:37 Devastator: everything is dead.
20:05:37 Radio_Controlled: REvving a whole forest sounds rather difficult.
20:06:27 Devastator: So is stopping that mage.
20:07:03 Radio_Controlled: Though the lack of a ground entrance might mean there is no more mage here.
20:07:19 Radio_Controlled: Not sure though.
20:08:48 Radio_Controlled: Revving a whole forest sounds like a d10 at least.
20:08:52 Devastator: Might just not leave.
20:08:57 Devastator: ..probably more than a d10.
20:09:07 Radio_Controlled: Though maybe it could be broken up into manageable chunks.
20:09:19 Devastator: or have some kinda levitate or force word, like the lower gravity.
20:09:27 Radio_Controlled: Yeah, d12 is likely. Not sure if he'd break the d100 out for it though.
20:09:28 Devastator: or have turned self into a bugman.
20:09:37 Devastator: d30 or d100 or something.
20:09:42 Radio_Controlled: Oh yeah, multiple options.
20:09:48 Radio_Controlled: Is d30 a thing?
20:10:09 Radio_Controlled: I thought it was d12 -> d100, according to the rules at least.
20:12:06 Devastator: He said that pulling out the magic sword to sink that slime lake was d30.
20:12:15 Devastator: although he then added the two players together directly..
20:13:04 Radio_Controlled: I guess the system is played rather fast and lose since it lost the real PvP angle.
20:14:52 Devastator: TBH, if I find out someone destroyed a whole city like that I'd have been mad.
20:15:21 Devastator: Doing it as part of an escape attempt from a sacrificial kidnapping makes it quite a bit more understandable.
20:15:37 Radio_Controlled: It was rather do or die for them.
20:15:45 Radio_Controlled: And it destroyed a nasty cult at least.
20:16:08 Radio_Controlled: Dunno how many innocents got swept up though.
20:17:43 Radio_Controlled: Down the drain they went.
20:18:17 Devastator: I don't mind about the mage getting it, but I'd be very worried about the huge cavern collapsing and destroying the town/lake.
20:18:33 Devastator: May have to get there and strenghten the cavern or add steel support pillars.
20:18:46 Devastator: in case the lower gravity spell expires.
20:19:17 Radio_Controlled: I suspect the lower gravity is more to let the bugs fly around, and less for keeping the cave up.
20:19:47 Radio_Controlled: I'd like to get the mage alive, but it'll depend on how we find him and if we can overwhelm him quickly.
20:20:14 Radio_Controlled: We do have an icepick with poison and should quickly incapacitate but not kill at least.
20:20:40 Devastator: Prooobably, but did anyone ask that question?
20:20:47 Radio_Controlled: But on the other hand, if he's out he can't order his bugs army to stay back.
20:21:31 Radio_Controlled: No, I don't think so. We got a good look at the cave and
pw said nothing about it seemign unnatural that it stayed up, but nothing to the contrary either.
20:21:32 Devastator: Yeah, I wouldn't mind knowing why the mage needs all this mana.
20:21:55 Devastator: could just be power mad, like you two guys.
20:21:56 Radio_Controlled: Might keep him alive.
20:22:01 Radio_Controlled: He's super old.
20:22:15 Radio_Controlled: Nono, we have mad power, that's different :p
20:23:00 Devastator: Although if everyone does pull it off, I do hope to be involved.
20:23:10 Devastator: could end up with like 150 d10 hugs. ;-p
20:23:49 Radio_Controlled: And yet somehow /we're/ the power mad ones.
20:26:00 Devastator: Yes. I'd probably dump half that into things or people not me.
20:26:02 Radio_Controlled: I can practically see you salivating through my monitor at the thought of getting a ton of mana from this.
20:26:23 Devastator: TBH, I was thinking I'd get about 50, but then did the math.
20:26:34 Radio_Controlled: Speaking off, eww, stop gumming up my poor laptop!
20:27:01 Devastator: it'd hardly be unusual to get more than five people hug-worthy from this, could be a lot more.
20:27:32 Devastator: besides, which, upon seeing all the badly drained and weakened people, I'll need to make some magical medical assistance for them.
20:28:23 Devastator: you know, so they won't die on the way up.
20:28:45 Devastator: or can have more complete recoveries.
20:29:04 Radio_Controlled: Plan is to stop those magic pylons and see in what kind of state most are.
20:29:51 Radio_Controlled: If the situation is sufficiently controlled we could teleport some or all the civvies to the surface, or have the bugs carry them through the caverns.
20:30:20 Devastator: Teleport probably the best idea.
20:30:30 Devastator: but you might get attacked by them or by the insects.
20:30:45 Devastator: You could probably take a couple of them out without getting noticed.
20:31:04 Radio_Controlled: We'll just have to see what we're working with.
20:31:06 Devastator: that'd be good to see for countermeasures from the mind control and the necessary healing.
20:31:13 Devastator: Don't get caught or killed down there.
20:31:35 Devastator: Also,
PW might be using some stuff I was discussing with him on you guys.
20:33:35 Radio_Controlled: How you mean?
20:48:27 Devastator: enjoying catbird. I was a bit miffed that it seemed to be a d6 for an encounter like foot travel, but it would have been like four routes to get to the capital on foot.
20:50:25 Radio_Controlled: Still sad you didn't engage with it, it looked interesting.
20:51:26 Radio_Controlled: Personally liking Leng and random's turns as well, seeing the mage breaker in action and how to fight vampires in this setting.
20:51:41 Devastator: Yeah, good to see them in action.
20:52:01 Devastator: Looks like a very good idea to pick up a couple. An army would probably just screw everyone over, but a couple would be damn handy.
20:52:17 Devastator: Yeah, but I don't have the damn time for combat.
20:52:28 Devastator: Would have been fun, but in a hurry.
20:54:14 Radio_Controlled: Turn-wise, you mean?
20:54:28 Radio_Controlled: How much time is left IC before the next full moon?
20:55:07 Devastator: 11 days, but I'll knock one off on this trip regardless.
20:55:21 Devastator: ie, it'll be 10 or fewer when returning.
20:55:34 Devastator: Still no reason not to hurry. More time means more preparation.
20:56:05 Radio_Controlled: Sure, but to the point you need to sprint up the stairs and such? I understand not engaging the... whatever it was.
20:56:34 Radio_Controlled: But It doesn't seem a 'every single second counts' type of situation?
20:57:08 Devastator: No, but it could easily take hours going up the stairs.
20:57:16 Devastator: The towns don't look that close on the map.
20:57:22 Devastator: and there might be more people in the way.
20:57:58 Devastator: And no, not every second counts, but I'd like it to not take hours.
20:58:13 Devastator: ..and have a fast character with good end, so time to use it.
21:00:23 Devastator: was also hoping to be able to land directly in the capital.
21:07:59 Radio_Controlled: In non-cabal news, made a pretty decent curry yesterday.
21:08:13 Radio_Controlled: Recipe called for 1 red pepper, but they sold them in packs of 2...
21:08:21 Devastator: double red pepper curry.
21:08:39 Radio_Controlled: But, it also called for 250ml coconut milk, but they had 400 ml cans, so it wasn't too spicy in the end.
21:08:52 Radio_Controlled: Might make it more spicy next time, in fact.
21:10:19 Radio_Controlled: There's this burrito place where I live where you can choose your level of spicyness.
21:10:26 Radio_Controlled: I'm working my way up the chain.
21:13:38 Devastator: speaking of giant creatures, seemed to want to run away from the giant room in Dig.
21:13:41 Devastator: any particular plans?
21:14:16 Radio_Controlled: Just meet up with the others so we can start on something new.
21:14:26 Radio_Controlled: Probably explore the fresh Antediluvian ruins.
21:14:29 Devastator: something that isn't the giant room, presumably?
21:14:40 Devastator: Kaiju cat too close to home?
21:14:45 Devastator: although I'd bet that one is bigger than yours.
21:14:47 Radio_Controlled: Would not have minded exploring giant room, but that would mean the other gotta wait.
21:15:08 Radio_Controlled: I -really- want to get my hands on those Church portal thingies.
21:15:31 Radio_Controlled: Then people can break off to explore things like that without holding everyone up all the time.
21:15:56 Radio_Controlled: (whether splitting up the party is desirable is another matter entirely of course)
21:16:06 Devastator: But if you run around and force everyone together, nobody would get to explore anything..
21:16:25 Radio_Controlled: We had already decided to reconvene before we started this mission cycle.
21:16:53 Radio_Controlled: Besides, exploring the new ruins should have something for everyone, and it's not like the giant door is going anywhere.
21:17:05 Devastator: Yeah it is. That place is essentially on a clock.
21:17:24 Devastator: You can only interact with things that were put in it fairly recently.
21:17:39 Devastator: The fact there's a living cat at the limit of things you can concievably interact with.
21:17:47 Devastator: that sets an age limit.
21:17:57 Radio_Controlled: I doubt that returning later will mean we can't explore it anymore.
21:18:18 Devastator: Well.. no, but it might mean that you can never reach the lights on the ceiling, for instance.
21:18:25 Radio_Controlled: It might have other encounters, but that's ok.
21:19:00 Radio_Controlled: Compared to new and unexplored Antediluvian chambers, which will probably get flooded with exploreres and pilgrims soon.
21:19:05 Devastator: I mean, now you can about reach anything in this room, but if you come back, you might be limited to like everything in about a dozen floor tiles on a side.
21:19:23 Radio_Controlled: I doubt that the rate of growth is that high honestly.
21:19:32 Devastator: eh, cat at 1000:1 scale..
21:19:41 Devastator: lets say 1024:1 scale for easier math.
21:19:49 Devastator: that's.. 10 doublings.
21:20:06 Devastator: cats don't live that long, so probably at least one doubling a year.
21:20:44 Radio_Controlled: Or maybe it levels off over time or something, since there were previous explorer parties, I doubt we happened to run in on it juust at the tail end of practical interactibility.
21:21:02 Devastator: I think you're in a hut someone else built inside the giant zone.
21:21:16 Devastator: outside was whatever that person was exploring, now too far away to be interacted with.
21:21:33 Radio_Controlled: Hey, then mayb we just need to wait for the next cycle then :p
21:22:00 Devastator: Still, right now it seems you're at an interesting time to be in there, where things are enormous but still interactable with.
21:22:08 Radio_Controlled: Either way, high time for bed for me, got tons to do tomorrow.
21:22:11 Devastator: it'll be boring for a number of years.
21:22:37 Radio_Controlled: If you want we can continue this over pm, if not, see you space cowboy!
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