00:44:42 Devastator: Is there a L0 mobility now?
00:46:14 Devastator: like the kitten worldbuilding,
ER.
00:50:52 Devastator: Telekinesis might need a bit of a rewrite, but it looks pretty useful.
00:53:30 Devastator: Damn, Beacon L1 looks like very good utility.
01:04:16 Devastator: And L0 mobility means that, say, a paralyzed MG could move after wishing.
01:45:37 ER: TK seems more useful than it was, at least less vague
01:46:17 ER: didn't take it because it seemed like it could be weak
01:47:05 Devastator: It's free if you use it to pet kittens!
01:59:34 Devastator: No, not the [kittens]
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03:42:59 syv: @
ER do you want me to set up Iji tonight? I'm tired and out of practice but it's not Sun, and I have the internet.
03:55:36 Devastator: The power rewrites look pretty good.
03:55:42 Devastator: Except TK's a bit unclear.
03:56:41 ER: well now TK is a LITTLE less a coinflip between instawinning and kys
03:57:36 syv: It was the last thing I wrote, and I sas tired during.
03:57:58 ER:
ER doesn't pay attention to what he says
03:58:28 syv: Oh. Yeah, MC is potentially really powerful, especially against weak enemies.
03:58:51 syv: Things like the skeletal alicorns have basically no purity, so.
03:59:03 Devastator: It doesn't tell you what the range limit is on each level, and 'point of contact' is an unclear term.
03:59:12 syv: Oh,
ER.
MJ wants to know if you'll be creating a new character for his MP oneshot?
03:59:18 ER: ...were the skeleton pegasi usably strong?
04:00:50 syv: The range limit is always ~15 feet, except at L0. Point of contact is just the best I could come up with. It's an invisible hand, except you're not limited to a hand shape.
04:01:13 Devastator: Should mention that. And if the line-of-sight restriction is ever relaxed.
04:01:22 ER: any reason why it uses your height as a base?
04:01:27 Devastator: Maybe use 'Apply force at two points.'
04:01:32 ER: except... creativity, I guess
04:02:10 ER: maybe creative into a giant python and have absurd TK range
04:02:42 Devastator: Yeah, that's probably because of Cre.
04:02:44 syv: I try to always use height as a base because it's a neutral measuring system. I feel bad using imperial, but don't intuitively understand metric.
04:03:31 Devastator: "You can only apply force at one point, with about as much dexterity as your own hand, but strength more comparable to an adult's. Manipulating something requires line of sight and a complete lack of obstructions."
04:04:14 syv: Also, no, "height" is always ~5 feet, no matter your real height. I might improve it if you turn into a kaiju somehow, but turning into a snake to game the system won't work.
04:04:47 Devastator: Witching probably counts..
04:05:13 syv: The "no obstacles" rule is never lifted, because that just opens up way too many exploits.
04:05:16 ER: nah, I'll use the power of friendship
04:05:28 syv: "So why can't I use telekinesis to scramble their brains?"
04:05:43 ER: or maybe just a kaiju-sized giant woman?
04:07:58 Devastator: line of sight might be too restrictive. I'd expect you to be able to reach behind yourself with TK, in all honesty. Maybe change to line-of-effect at some point?
04:08:09 Devastator: so you can't reach inside something unless there's exposed parts?
04:08:19 syv: Line of effect works, probably better if anything.
04:08:42 Devastator: Say you want to try and catch the knife thrown at your back, or close the door while your arms are full.
04:09:16 ER: next character I'll do a TK build ;P
04:09:43 syv: The biggest issue with reaching beyond yourself would be an issue because it's not a sensory power, but it would synergize well with prediction, SS, or a sensory power.
04:10:18 syv: ...Err, "or everyone's passive emotion sense".
04:10:49 Devastator: Which isn't all that good, and couldn't do, say, a door.
04:11:04 ER: oh yeah, prediction TK, that sounds fun
04:11:10 Devastator: That would be SWEET.
04:11:33 syv: Yeaaah, Prediction TK is probably OP, but I'll let it slide.
04:12:18 ER: catch a crossbow bolt out of midair and fling it into someone's neck like Daune
04:15:00 syv: Yeah, lotta levels, but it's a powerful combo.
04:15:18 Devastator: Nothing wrong with there being some power.
04:15:41 Devastator: Still gotta work as a team, still lotta ways to take that char down.
04:16:41 Devastator: I do like your tachell worldbuilding.
04:16:57 Devastator: Also the implication that Alexander's world is closest to hell.
04:17:02 syv: Uhh. Maybe. Prediction is really good, actually. It's kinda like TASing your own life. 's why it's a primary despite not actually giving any direct boosts.
04:18:58 ER: distance through timeless void is a visual metaphor, universes aren't closer or farther away from each other
04:19:49 Devastator: so there are lots and lots of kittens?
04:20:05 ER: most things are kittens, really
04:20:23 syv: "what makes Hell a perfect universe is its ability to adapt to any circumstances, so while it doesn't know how to kill you, it does know how to turn you into something it can kill."
04:21:20 syv: Oh, were those dog people fully corrupted humans?
04:21:54 Devastator: I'm sure you'll run into some eventually.
04:23:08 syv:
ER, if that's not really an update, make a REAL update!
04:23:16 ER: they're also very mook demons, I didn't think very hard about their stats, nothing particularly good.
04:23:35 Devastator: next up, the mook pit.
04:23:57 ER: just toss you into a ball pit full of kittesn
04:24:09 Devastator: or have a kitten look like a door.
04:24:43 ER: doors aren't kittens, door make *sense*
04:25:21 Devastator: teleglitch that is actually a kitten.
04:27:19 syv: I was gonna say a thing but I forgot what it was. :(
04:28:10 ER: it was a PS secret you were gonna let me in on obviously
04:31:19 Devastator: "The OP lists the magic powers."
04:31:44 ER: yes, tell me how magic works
04:32:27 syv: It works like setting a tree on fire.
04:32:39 syv: Only you can prevent a forest fire.
05:02:28 Devastator: you gave up on burning everything in the sand thign.
05:03:05 ER: no, I successfully incinerated the person annoying me most and then accepted my fate
05:10:45 Devastator: was secretly hoping that your plan of spreading plants everwhere was going to be followed by stage 2, burn all the plants.
05:12:07 ER: I AM going to get around to making plants at some point, just gotta convince the spiders to not make a fucking godkilling superweapon first.
05:12:36 Devastator: let them fight it out with each other.
05:15:27 ER: well I would do that except I absolutely do not trust chariots at all
05:16:28 Devastator: I recommend sleepy plants.
05:17:18 ER: probably toxic swamp plants and toxic swamp plant symbyotes and plant gardeners
05:29:40 syv: Mm.
Dev, I think you were the one to mention Mobility L0 giving normal mobility to someone who's disabled? Yeah, that's intentional. I'm kinda surprised and disappointed that nobody has made a char who had some disability, and wished it away. I *like* those chars, dangit.
05:30:36 syv: Mina was the closest, and her story had potential IMO, but then Twin. -.-
05:40:51 ER: time to play a blind deaf quadruple amputee Innocent
05:41:36 syv: Let's not make a fetish char, please.
05:41:58 ER: that's not a- I mean everything is so-
05:43:47 syv: Nah that specific character I've *only* seen in fetish stuff.
05:44:47 Devastator: Asha would count with the witch disease.
05:44:55 ER: I started at blind and paralyzed and then ran the rest of the distance because hilarious grimderp is all anyone playing this game wants~
05:45:00 Devastator: Yeah, I did mention that.
05:45:36 Devastator: If I did that character, I would probably just have someone horribly clumsy, and not in the 'I'm an incredibly cute anime girl' way.
05:45:50 Devastator: Or with asthma, and just enjoy running.
05:46:05 Devastator: running/smelling things.
05:46:11 Devastator: of course, wishing it away, when you never had to..
05:52:26 Devastator: A bit sad at the Offspring rewrite saying 'copy of soul gem'.
05:52:34 Devastator: I always imagined one of them to be like a purring lump of flesh.
05:52:59 ER: probably something like a lotus seed
05:57:05 syv: That was what I originally intended, but it's simpler and makes more sense as a fake soul gem.
05:57:39 syv: Creatives are inquisitive and try to recreate things; the most complex and interesting thing they can see is their soul gem. Copying it is only logical, and offspring's powers are a logical offshoot off of that.
06:00:29 Devastator: so what happens if two Cre's meet?
06:00:36 Devastator: Do they have a soul-off?
06:01:36 Devastator: and everyone else's soul gem sucks.
06:02:36 Devastator: So what happens if someone Mimicry's their own soul gem?
06:03:15 ER: play as a blind creative and don't fix the blindness with a wish
06:03:41 ER: hmm. I guess that semblance sidesteps that actually
06:04:33 syv: Trying to eat your own soul gem would be idiotic, would get a "Kill yourself permanently y/n?" prompt, and then if they say "y" they die.
06:04:36 ER: yeah, probably stupidist thing to do would be blind innocent with Prediction
06:04:54 syv: I mean it'd work and would be thematic.
06:05:09 ER: what happens when someone mimikries someone *else's* soul gem?
06:06:10 ER: maybe the blind prohet theme would even somehow empower your ability to make long-term predictions
06:06:50 Devastator: It'd be a heck of a way to assassinate another girl.
06:13:29 ER: the most heck of a way is Empathy, of course.
06:14:47 ER: though its levels don't make it any harder to resist, so kinda have to use it on someone with poor purity
06:14:58 ER: because it can apparently be *reversed*
06:15:27 Devastator: Not that likely, apparently.
06:15:37 Devastator: Alida got fucked up by Maria.
06:19:33 Devastator: or maybe it's impossible to reverse it against witches, because they're alreaedy soulless.
06:24:32 syv: (
ER) what happens when someone mimikries someone *else's* soul gem?
06:24:46 Devastator: Can you turn into them, or just their gem?
06:24:56 Devastator: ..and is there a roll to save?
06:25:35 syv: I suppose you could turn into their gem, and that would be useless, because it isn't aligned to your soul and you can't eat *their* non physical soul.
06:26:01 Devastator: Hmm, so you can only eat souls that have crystallized into grief seeds first.
06:26:13 syv: There's a roll to save as much as there is for any other attack, since mimicry includes physically encompassing and disassembling something.
06:26:24 syv: Well, you can't eat it with mimicry.
06:26:48 Devastator: Eww, that'll be creepy when someone actually does that.
06:26:51 Devastator: Should be fun saving.
06:26:55 syv: Grief seeds are... different. Eating one with mimicry would still be a bad idea though. Not sure precisely how, because I don't *habe* to be sure, but yeah, a bad idea.
06:27:41 ER: need it figure out some way to get my gem burrowed into someone's flesh for an easy mimicry consume.
06:28:15 Devastator: or just get yourself soulgemmed and use Teleport.
06:29:09 syv: Teleporting inside someone's stomacj would be possible, I suppose, if a fairly bad idea. Mimicry from inside would be an effective kill though, I will admit.
06:29:32 Devastator: You're a purity. IS damn well better cover that environment.
06:30:00 ER: not me as in Sophia, just want to theorycraft :P
06:30:29 Devastator: Besides, teleport and mimicry are already two different classes.
06:30:32 ER: Getting creativity powers would be... well it would be nice, pretty much luck dependant though
06:30:49 Devastator: Although I do expect that teleport 1 will be a popular choice if available via witch.
06:31:12 ER: how much more broken would this game be if we got our pick of six powers? :P
06:31:31 Devastator: although it's pretty broken already, with actual teamwork.
06:31:42 syv: Not much, the game's pretty broken already, and classes are already designed to synergize within their class.
06:32:06 ER: a selection of innocence powers would be a hard pick for me
06:32:15 syv: You'd be able to pick the "best" powers from each class, so you'd be able to cover your weaknesses better, but you'd be trading synergy.
06:32:35 ER: ...ah, well, mina is dead so we'll get creativity powers soon enough
06:32:38 Devastator: Or you could just pick a synergistic combo.
06:34:23 syv: Effigy is great, but stacks *really* well with Bravery's buffs, and not so much with the rest od the classes' powers. Semblance is good as a general use power, but doesn't specifically benefit much else. SS is amazing, if you're a love... there's combos. like mimicry + teleport, or Relieving Plight + Berserker/Painless, but there's combos within classes too.
06:35:10 syv: Of course, I'm sure the absolute best power combos are cross-class, since I haven't balanced for that, but I still don't think it'd be a *lot* more broken.
06:35:24 Devastator: SS is amazing for a love?
06:36:23 Devastator: ..I don't see the exact combo.
06:36:29 syv: You get a second character with their own actions and a whole 'nother powerset, that'd presumably well-built, and all of your very strong support powers work well on that second character.
06:36:33 Devastator: I thought you meant Sixth Sense.
06:36:57 syv: Ah. Yeah. Summon Shade, not the other SS. Or the other other SS. Or Steve Saint, for that matter.
06:44:32 syv: A moth just flew into my throad DX
06:45:49 syv: ...Damn it, how do I stream?
06:46:07 syv:
ER, do you still want me to stream? Or did I procrastinate/forget way too long?
06:47:04 ER: you put the game inside the stream thingie
06:47:30 ER: oh yeah like Iji is hard to stream for reasons I think >.>
06:49:03 syv: My computer's being super slow for some reason. :(
06:53:25 syv: Ah, that's what's hogging disk, Steam's reinstalling Hunt. Again.
06:54:47 syv: "Time remaining: 15 days 1 hour (and climbing)"
06:55:01 syv: For INSTALLATION. Of a 1 GB update!
06:55:18 Devastator: And it won't stop without severe effort.
06:55:19 syv: This isn't a Steam problem, this is a Hunt problem.
06:55:30 syv: Oh, 17 seconds. Then climbs again.
06:55:40 Devastator: Standalone Hunt you'd be able to stop easily..
06:56:21 syv: Protip,
Dev: Task manager. End task on "Steam Client Bootstrapper"
06:56:22 Devastator: is the stream starting?
06:56:37 Devastator: Doesn't work for steam updates.
06:56:47 syv: No, now I need to fuck with obs amd Iji, probably rebind Iji too because my keyboard is bad.
06:59:56 syv: Yeah, Iji does indeed seem to be hard to capture.
07:01:42 syv: Gonna try monitor capture + fullscreen.
07:03:23 syv: Meh. Stream up, I think. Tell me if it works.
07:03:35 syv: twitch.tv/syvarrisvutheniama
07:04:39 ER: also going to go for a min or two to put something in my mouth
07:04:57 ER: get something to put in my mouth that is
07:06:12 Devastator: game is far louder.
07:06:44 Devastator: I'd drop the game a bit.
07:08:29 ER: huh, used spread rockets on a berserker and it worked
07:08:39 ER: usually that results in you dying~
07:08:43 Devastator: This a genocide run?
07:09:23 ER: passive version of the pulse drains them of xp without killing them
07:10:15 ER: my first playthough of this I kicked and shotgunned everything to death with basically just strength and damage levels
07:13:22 ER: the passive mode of the fourth komato weapon lets you hack enemies instantly and at a distance, which is usually the safest way to deal with annihilators.
07:13:45 ER: deals a big chunk of damage and disables their big weapons
07:14:26 Devastator: you can drop down again.
07:14:54 ER: oh yeah you're playing hard mode too
07:15:59 Devastator: I think someone did a TAS recently of it.
07:21:05 Devastator: Where'd you get the third watcher?
07:21:38 ER: both hitscan and does health damage, which means it doesn't get reflected or ducked and isn't pitiful against Komato's increased armor value
07:23:17 Devastator: kick him over, it's what Alida would do.
07:23:50 ER: strength 10 < CC L4 I guess
07:24:24 Devastator: L3, the foot doesn't get the +1.
07:25:14 Devastator: so what happens if you mined that teleporter?
07:25:47 ER: nah, pacificim doesn't have an effect on the outcome here
07:32:34 ER: buster gun or plasma are good for assassains, though I think they have a chance to dodge plasma on hard
07:34:40 Devastator: game would be much easier if you had ordinary grenades.
07:35:10 ER: or if you could aim up and down
07:35:46 ER: assassains are hella fast :P
07:36:57 ER: with tasen 10 you can create a smart bomb weapon that hits the whole screen
07:38:29 ER: protip: shoot at the enemy, not away
07:41:25 Devastator: Was waiting for that.
07:43:09 Devastator: good ole mercy invulnerability.
07:44:30 ER: you do have ultra pulse, I'm pretty sure it's strictly better than normal pulse
07:45:35 Devastator: just kick the door.
07:46:07 Devastator: or crack him when he turns away.
07:47:03 ER: cracking does like half damage and disables its shocksplinter and plasma
07:53:44 ER: assassains have a perfect auto reflector that works against any projectiles. It is not explained why they're the only ones allowed to use that.
07:54:43 ER: Tasen is probably more useful
07:55:41 ER: getting both lets you make the best weapon, which is big but mostly actually useful for a few secrets
07:56:05 ER: oh, but komato 10 lets you hack things instantly
07:56:26 ER: so instahacks or smartbomb, basically
07:56:48 ER: no, thing gets hacked without the minigame
08:02:14 ER: CFIS basically is a really good machinegun deal, passive mode is instant hacking
08:03:21 ER: you can't combine anything right now
08:03:44 ER: instant hacking is the CFIS's passive mode, which you get by pressing enter
08:06:04 ER: CFIS stands for cyclic fusion ignition system, while the passive version stands for chain fractal injection shell
08:09:22 ER: switch to concussion rocket and shoot him point blank?
08:09:33 ER: knocks him off while doing no damage to you
08:10:20 ER: yeah nonlethal can still be helpful in a lethal run
08:14:17 ER: it's easy and it does a lot of damage
08:16:17 ER: the bikes can knock down shield doors
08:16:29 ER: of any level I think, so pretty useful
08:17:52 ER: also, switch to the hyper pulse rather than the pulse cannon. It's basically the same but better
08:21:12 ER: I have to relate to komato berserker's contact call of "KIIIIIIILLL!"
08:24:40 ER: I see the komato 10 gun over ther
08:25:03 ER: what can you do she's going crazy
08:26:58 ER: "you need a crack skill of 80"
08:29:18 ER: spread rockets and CFIS will help
08:31:21 ER: really can't hear you over the wonderful boss music
08:33:57 ER: hmm, guess CFIS doesn't actually do much damage here <.<
08:35:42 ER: eh, it's kinda a gimmick fight, but I still like it
08:41:19 ER: the big yellow laser beam she fires with a big windup is the Velocithor, you get that by combining the level 10 tasen and komato guns with 10 crack. it's pretty good and requires the investment of 27 skill points. :P
08:42:09 ER: pretty sure there's nothing like her taking extra damage when you remove health bars, basically just need a certain number of hits
08:43:10 Devastator: Mmm, 27 skill points.
08:43:13 Devastator: sounds like a plan.
08:47:44 ER: also plasma cannon is good because it hits multiple enemies and can't be avoided, but it costs 2 ammo. Fighting a single enemy that doesn't deflect or dodge it's probably better to use regular shocksplinter.
08:50:55 ER: shocksplinter does 2 HP damage, plasma does 3.
08:51:34 ER: shock reloads in 2 seconds, plasma 2.5
08:51:56 ER: so certainly in terms of efficency per ammo
08:54:58 ER: oh, ceiling lasers do 35 damage per hit on hard
08:55:15 ER: little more than weapons fire :V
08:56:22 ER: it deals 35 HP to her and 4 to you, so blatantly unfair mechanic :P
08:56:44 ER: but it'll do that much no matter how much of it hits her
09:03:25 ER: actually guide says velocithor deals "up to 10" damage
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09:15:16 ER: there are two non-lethal versions of this fight, but both of them play out mostly the same as the normal fight
09:15:43 ER: do keep in mind that she's invincible and right now you're trying to break her suit
09:17:31 ER: sounds like you need more eyes
09:18:55 ER: sounds like more eyes would make us need bigger brains for the same thinkiness, and we're pretty reliant on thinkiness
09:21:54 ER: okay so maybe the plasma cannon is pretty good :P
09:23:49 ER: the guns in this fight seem about as important as the tools in a sekiro boss fight :P
09:32:23 ER: yeah that looked like a velocithor instakill to me
09:36:29 ER: think it's "completely immortal"
09:42:04 ER: Seven Four is a good level song
09:44:54 ER: nah, Asha is just a massive egomaniac
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09:46:07 parisbre56: I was watching for a while, the fight with Iosa was very fun to watch, well done
09:46:28 parisbre56: it was nice seeing you get good
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10:00:33 ER: the nuke uses mpfb + rocket launcher, so if you just want to test that you don't need to level up komato
10:07:14 ER: yeah he's able to dodge anything
10:07:46 ER: but is stupid enough to not bother dodging shotguns :P
10:11:54 ER: guide says "bring a buster gun with a lot of ammo and attack 10 if you want to win fairly easially."
10:17:17 ER: I dunno he's a crazy alien assassain
10:17:38 ER: yeah only shotgun and buster gun work
10:20:24 ER: was just a shocksplinter moving along the ground
10:24:46 ER: you can actually do a trick to use two checkpoints and fight Asha three times. He has special dialogue for this :P
10:26:50 ER: when you attack them with the anihilator they yell Ceretako
10:27:55 ER: in reference to a "ciretako incident" in which an anihilator killed EVERYONE aboard a battleship, freind or foe, in order to increase their kill counter
10:28:20 ER: there's also a reference to a Tasen song called "welcome to ciretako"
10:39:11 ER: yes, that's a list of the names of every person you've killed
10:42:00 ER: screen wide stun that costs a lot of damage
10:44:26 ER: on a galactic scale, humanity is still harmless
10:46:53 ER: nuke does 5 damage while mpfb shot does 9.
10:54:38 ER: he said "you're fighting death, human."
10:58:21 ER: he doesn't get new attacks, but his attacks do become harder to dodge versions
11:01:38 ER: when he fires the big chargeball and you don't deflect it, it starts to orbit him
11:07:26 ER: if you don't want to reflect his shit you can just shoot him with the mpfb 50 times at max attack stat instead, according to the guide
11:09:51 ER: I did the math and you have to hit him with that 13 times
11:12:00 ER: special attack because he got 3 chargeballs
11:15:18 ER: I feel pretty tired, about ready to stop watching.
11:16:26 ER: you don't need to stop if you want to keep going and beat the game, but I'm going to go and close my eyes after this attempt
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11:17:19 syv: Jeez, really didn't think I'd play that game so log.
11:17:38 syv: Eh, hope you enjoyed, Evidently Retreatimg.
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22:20:06 Devastator: Reality-destroying effects should be able to kill a Painless 3 Effigy.
22:25:54 Devastator: dammit, wrong time.
22:27:39 Devastator: a few seconds before that.
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